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  1. Again, what's the significance of this? Are you absolutely sure Bill Gates isn't involved? Ok, so that’s an irreverent comment. What it shows me is that you zero understanding of how big business works or, how foundations and charitable organisations are used as tools of vast influence and power. I have never even heard of this Wakefield you refer to. By your question, it sounds like you don’t even understand the basic principles of the argument, I would refer back to my previous replies that are in plain English. Like Brigade 77 of the Army actively working to suppress any Covid19 information not supported by the government? I guess that escaped your reading. Your logic here is really strange. - You mentioned the Daily Mail, and this Wakefield, is it the same one as above? I haven’t mentioned this person, I don’t know of this person. Yet, you seem to be trying attach him to my argument. Like a dirty cop picking up an innocent and trying to charge them with something they didn’t do. - Then you’re mentioning the Daily Mail and Hitler? Are you ok? There is a slur here at me and Denny, I am guessing you used it because you’re frustrated and unable to reason. I think I have been very clear in the thread that I am pro-vaccination, and that i’ve had around 10 jabs. I am wholeheartedly in favour treatments that are safe and effective, and that have a positive risk/cost ratio. So, you calling me an anti-vaxxer, is like calling someone who doesn’t approve of one type of medicine out of thousands of types, an anti-medicine heretic. It’s a moronic thing to say. 1) You don’t seem to have any comprehension or understanding of the concept that people use their real names here and that views can be seen very easily in google searches, as the site ranks pretty highly, if you have an unusual name, it’ll pop right up, attached to what you are saying here. You have an unusual name and this pops up along with your JFKA forum comments. http://jeremy.bojczuk.me.uk Do you follow? I don’t know if that’s the reason but, send him a message if you’re curious. 2) I am not here to defend W. or debate W. All I have pointed out is that some guy in Saudi came out claiming his details were being used. I am still aghast at why you are trying have his argument with me, it’s weird. Again, you can’t answer my questions, you’ve lost your tone, you’ve become irreverent and you’re chucking slurs about. I understand you’re getting frustrated and I’ve seen this behaviour when things aren’t going your way in other threads with other people. Where is the value in me talking to you if you can’t do the most basic things required in a discussion like attempt to answer the other persons questions. There is no shame in saying that you don’t know something. No person knows everything. It suggests to me that your ego is in the way of holding a discussion. You’ve already slammed ‘Truthers’ as crackpots and disparaged them, which I find very small minded considering you haven’t read their stuff. There are many arguments laid out for you to read yourself. If you think I am going to spend hours reeling it all out for you on threads, so you can sit there and not look at it, and refute it based on the people not being a government agency or an expert that suits your narrow field of view, then you have no chance.
  2. Just some food for thought ... The government is surveilling the population, they can look at anything on your phone or laptop, listen to any call you make, read any sms or whatsapp message, they can even turn your mic and camera on without you being aware. I have one friend who has just retired from the UK special forces (SBS), when he was recovering from hip operations a few years back, they put him on duty surveiling (via laptop in the office) newly arrived Syrian citizens who had expressed pro-terrorist views on social media, all of the above can and is done in the UK. Given that, unless the accused are a lot more sophisticated than their actions would indicate and, they used pen and paper and destroyed notes, or spoke only verbally in person, out of range of smart devices, then there would be a serious audit trail which would substantiate and confirm their guilt in terms of a coup d’etat. If indeed it was something bigger than a rabble of the disenfranchised pushing their way into a government building. Whose side were the FBI, NSA, etc supposedly on in this situation? Trump’s or Biden’s? Should we take the FBI’s past positions as an indicator of that? What are your thoughts?
  3. Try to be courteous and read what I have written in the thread. I have quoted Dr’s, MD’s, PHD’s, Virologists, Vaccinologists, who are quoting data and research with genuine concerns. Actors and celebrities have spoken about this pandemic from both sides. The virtue signalling types are much more prevalent. Which is natural as very driven individuals, that have wealth as a goal, actively do things in the public domain that further their popularity and earning potential. Thats why they have agents and PR teams working on that for them, advising them. Sorry Denny, I don’t know anything about Michael Rappaport, bar that he’s in True Romance, a film I like. I would suggest you may have conflated my replies with Dennis. I have pointed out that actors and celebs have spoke on both sides, in fact people from all walks of life. I have quoted Dr’s, MD’s, PHD’s, Virologists, Vaccinologists in this thread. You can’t make my argument something it isn’t but, that’s a tactic commonly used in journalism, you twist words, quotes and views of a person into something they aren’t and shout that message the loudest. I am very wise to that though. I have mentioned Del Bigtree in relation to MMR and autism, specifically in regard to the argument laid out earlier in this thread in regard to having two groups of data, to ascertain whether vaccines are causing harm. Thats the fairest and safest way. He is a presenter, just like your CNN newscasters, someone has to communicate things. Vaccinologists or scientists aren’t usually blessed with PR skills or an aptitude for presenting well to the media. You don’t switch CNN off do you when a newscaster tells you something about health, when his experience is reading autocue and presenting? Oh, I am the false equivalence guy here? Actually this isn’t a debate over medical science here, it’s one component of many which is relevant to this pandemic and the corruption that is going on. You’ve just tried to attach a false narrative right there, i’ll repeat again. I have quoted Dr’s, MD’s, PHD’s, Virologists, Vaccinologists. You won’t win this argument with me by being deceitful or disingenuous, Denny. If you’ve had two jabs, that’s what you’ve got right now, the freedom to catch the virus, to transmit the virus and to die of the virus. You don’t even know that, with all the months that information has been available to you? You repeated your false argument again. I’ll repeat the same text you again: I have quoted Dr’s, MD’s, PHD’s, Virologists, Vaccinologists. 🙂 Masks - You haven’t read any of the studies pointing out masks are a chocolate teapot in almost every scenario. You haven’t read Fauci’s private emails which went public indicating he feels the same way (privately). You don’t know that we’re better off outdoors than in? ONS (UK office of National Statistics), Flu and Pneumonia deaths have vanished since Covid began. Has Covid miraculously cured them? Or have we been attributing deaths to the wrong cause? You are showing with your words that you are blind to many other impacts of this pandemic, other than people getting sick from the virus or dying of the virus. Might there be some other things at stake here, Denny? What could they be? Staggering comment from you - Europe is increasingly showing the signs we are in a police state. To understand that, you’d need to read the circumstances that led up to those depicted and attested to in Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago, the dangerous affects of collectivism, always looking to the great father figure (used to be god, now the state) for solutions to everything, we’re in very bad shape. This is exactly what led us into the disasters of the 20th century. Are you an advocate or abolishing the Nuremburg Code? The statute that ensures we have body autonomy? It was put in place after the German government coerced and forced Jews and Gypsies into medical experimentation. Does vaccinating everybody with these shots make this virus extinct or solve the pandemic? How did MRNA trials work out in the past, is it safe? The average age of death of Cov2 in the UK is 82 years of age. The average of death normally in the UK is 81 years of age. What does that say to you about the potency of this pathogen? I would take a few moments to absorb that. 94% of Covid deaths in the US involved people with one or more serious co-morbidities. What is the probability that the remaining 6% had undiagnosed conditions or were very frail and elderly? We’ve had two influenza viruses in the past, at least as potent as this (even with the inflation and embellishment of causes of deaths). Did we shut down the world? Destroy the economy. Mandate house arrest for the public? Stop children from playing with eachothers even though their risk is minute. Did we have people dying left right and centre of other things because they were too afraid to goto hospital or the Dr’s because of the idea of catching covid. Did we have the suicides, the depression and mental illness? Did we have the stress of people losing their livelihoods that they’ve spent decades building. Did we have the biggest transferral of wealth upwards in history. The worlds billionaires increasing their net worth by 30% in the first 6 months of Covid alone. We’re wiping out the middle class. What’s all that, acceptable collateral damage for you? Did you watch Rand Paul questioning Fauci in congress in regard to masks and the mistruths about reinfection? What is your position on the vaccine passport (biometric id) that is coming. Do you think that’s a good idea? I can tell you where its going and freedom is going right on down the road with it. I look forward to your answers. Thanks Chris PS One of the things that amazes me here is that, most of us believe JFK was killed as part of a conspiracy that involved the government. A lot of us believe that it was over foreign policy / money. Yet, our eyes are not open wide enough to see that not only are circumstances more ripe for corruption today (things have gotten worse) but, we can’t envisage history repeating itself or that such deception or corruption can happen today. Why a pharmaceutical giant produce a vaccine that solves Covid in one go? Because of the kindness or their board of directors? It’s anti-business to do so. You make a shot that means we need upgrades and boosters at a regular frequency, that way it’s much more profitable. You also advocate a treatment thats needed in perpetuity. Shots for life. Then what you do once the populous are bought into that is; you switch to the flu jab or any other thing you can produce a vaccine for that has poor results. Because we become accustomed to it, the he more they do it to us. If this one can leak from a lab, why can’t all sorts of other things that treatments are allegedly needed for? They can. The strongest sales tool is that you won’t be able to socialise or travel if you haven’t had what they mandate. Pharma companies have full immunity from prosecution and effectively a license to print money for their shareholders.
  4. This is pretty astounding. I have explained the racket earlier in the thread. Media & govt manufactures the public consent, tax payer payers for it (more recently in debt) and private corporations pick up the profits. It works identically to war. Are you oblivious to that corruption also? There is a great book called “War is a Racket” by Major General Smedley Butler. Or you could read something like Manufacturing Consent by Naom Chomsky to understand how its done, or Edward Bernay’s “Propaganda” or “Crystalizing Public Opinion” would furnish you with the technique. I’ll presume you doubt that could happen. So if this virus was this existential threat to world society, why weren’t the vaccines a pro-bono, break even enterprise for the sake of humanity? Because already highly profitable companies need more profits right? Even Astra Zeneca (the least profitable) are profiting from our fear. The hypocrisy is we’re totally fine with food causing cancers, heart attacks, strokes, diabetes and killing us in much greater numbers than Covid. But, we’re acting like we’re saving every life we can regarding this. Talk about a trope. Then of course heavy industry is contaminating everything, also leasing to cancers and whatever else and we’re ok with that continuing. Of course we are, we’re conditioned to the walk around like a bunch of spoon fed, apathetical, uninformed zombies, high on dopamine. Just think about it in wider context, Denny.
  5. Oh ...... That’s very strange isn’t it? Seems like that guy was ready for combat and Davy Crocket is the one doing 6 months solitary. Hmmm 🤔
  6. It was a ‘she’ and yes the Dr tried to get it passed through congress on two separate occasions, the most recent being 2008. It was in interests of vaccine safety and it proposed a direct comparison of data between two groups, those without vaccine and those with. The latter part of your message has got a bit ridiculous. Is it your intention to degrade the conversation because I am not in agreement with you? If so, it might be best to leave it. Here is a question for you; how might you go about proving that to be the case and what parameters would you put in place to ensure its fair study? The way you would prove it was by taking a very large group of unvaccinated and comparing them to vaccinated people. That way you can ensure a fair result. I see you’ve ignored me mentioned the CDC listing autism as a side effect. Was that inconvenient for you? If we’re going to have an honest conversation on this, then you need to respond to me, not just pick and choose what suits your case. I was under the impression we were having an open dialogue, not trying to score points. You can do better than this. I actually read that article when it first was published. It was remarkable the way the Guardian had changed their stance, preceding that we’d got the messaging that it was perfectly safe, now they always knew it was imperfect. The MSM have been suggesting a lot since March 2020. Please show me the empirical data that proves transmission and fatalities are reduced in the vaccinated individuals? I’ll save you looking around, that data doesn’t exist. So, perhaps if you’ve got any sense, you might want to have read the earlier part of the thread first, or have checked for the data instead of trusting suggestion in the Guardian. Right?! It sounds like you don’t believe in the Nuremburg code and the individuals right to body autonomy. That was put in place to protect citizens in the aftermath of the Third Reichs despicable experimentation on Jews and Gyspies in WW2. What I am noticing is that your tone is changing and you are getting irate, slinging round accusations. Could you just calm down and maintain some civility, Jeremy? If you can’t the dialogue breaks down. If there is institutional corruption, which is being alleged here, and I think you can understand that the MSM is only running one side of it, then you’ll only hear one side of it. Do you understand? I think anybody would agree that a mass vaccination program in an emergency is dangerous when you have no mid or long term testing results. Thats very logical. Animal testing was skipped which usually tells us a lot. I’ve amply explained why there are more experts supporting the 9/11 commission, thats very logical also. If you can’t accept it, that’s ok. FYI the majority views are supported by know nothing actors and celebrities too, right? If you can’t take the concept seriously, or see the pressures involved, I can’t make you see them, Jeremy. I can tell you that they are there and that human beings have instincts of self preservation, that actually comes from the subconscious. The smarter the person, the more aware they will be of things that can harm them. You have to be able to put yourself in their shoes and envisage how you’d react. Would you have spoken out? Who would you have spoken to if you’d seen foul play? I’m genuinely interested. I don’t think W wants to talk about it. That might be because of the SEO on the site and google search listings, I have no idea. Where would you expect this Saudi guys situation to be corrected or rectified? I am really interested in that answer also. No, none of it is devastating to the official government account. Because of the voices of its critics are not heard. That’s where we are at, Jeremy. That’s undoubtably a scenario that comes about in any investigation. You have blind alleys and some that take you to credible evidence. Let me ask you, do you think passports of the hijackers could be found in the top surface of the rubble, in tact? I would like a yes or a no. If that’s alright? Even after the plane fuel was hot enough to melt heavy steel in a second or two. Do you think, as the record states, a plane traveling at 536mph (Boeing 757) could make a last minute right angle turn at ground level before striking the east wing of the Pentagon? Yes or a no, please, or can say you don’t know. I look forward to your response. Thanks Chris
  7. That’s essentially the hardest thing for the average person to comprehend, believe or accept, that they’re buying into theatre and their hope rests with a self interested caretaker who is acting out instructions. In Carroll Quigley’s “Tragedy & Hope” he alludes to American politics being a 2 party system giving the people the narrowest differences in policy but, making them feel they are enacting change or that their vote counts. Quigley wasn’t a whistleblower, he was an establishment ivy league guy, he thought he was telling history as it is. Despite his book being successful, he suddenly found the publisher didn’t want to do further print runs and made a series of excuses why they wouldn’t. Of course his words about Cecil Rhodes, Alfred Milner and the Council on Foreign Relations could have been the reason. The book is a very detailed history of the world from 1870 to 1963. The book is far from easy reading but, perhaps very important. I’ll do a thread on it when I have time.
  8. The final fail safe would have been blaming CIA rogues, deluded hateful patriots. The people who gave the nod would have gone to any length to avoid being exposed. I don’t think they ever could be. I should imagine someone from above in the east coast clique, spoke with Dulles and then it was all Dulles word against theirs. Dulles did the same with Angleton or Atlee Phillips. You ‘re insulated against any possible prosecution. Each line of people below involved are not conscious of the layers above. You compartmentalise everything. So, they have nobody to name. Also, what is the cost of talking if caught? Chances are people with families would keep quiet and taken the blame. I don’t know if you’ve read about the creation of the Federal Reserve? A bunch of people went down to the Rockefeller estate on Jekyll Island, Georgia on the 22-11-1910. They all used first names only on a private rail car. With the Vanderbilts, Warburgs, Aldrich, and I forget who else all had a secret meeting about how they could control America’s money supply. Woodrow Wilson fell for it. Now you have people inventing money from thin air and charging us interest on it. Fractional Reserve Banking. I’d imagine there is ample evidence JFK was in the way of their progress and more oriented toward the people, as opposed to his class. Vietnam was the straw that broke the camels back. I should also imagine David + Nelson Rockefeller knew what happened to JFK. Nelson had Allen Dulles as his lawyer. This would only be guesswork, I don’t see any way of proving who said “get rid”. But, I am certain it came from higher authority than the CIA or Military.
  9. Hi William, It makes sense in the context you’re explaining it, but, it wasn’t quite the context I was aiming at and that may have been because the post was a little vague. Let me try to elaborate. Inevitably when any event takes place that can be used for political gain or present a threat of losing political ground for a party, some very astute PR people get together strategise how to either benefit and exploit the event, or to carry out an exercise in damage limitation. Mostly, achieving the desired result isn’t accomplished by being fair or honest, its achieved with spin, embellishment and sensationalism. By making something seem much worse or much better than it was in reality, or better than it was, the public will latch onto that. Its one of the reasons news is almost pure sensationalism and agitation. So, the somewhere in the middle comment from me is referred to the truth being somewhere between two or more known XXXXX. Often who can stretch things the most, might end up in the most advantageous position with the electorate. The voter impression isn’t based on cold hard facts, its based on impressions. Another question I have is whether a supporter of either tribe (party) can think independently on this? There is so much emotional investment each election and we get behind things like its our footy(soccer) or baseball team(cricket), or even worse. I am a foreigner, and I’ve seen myself get absorbed by the UK labour/conservative partisan debates, its easily done. What’s even easier is to fall in line with policies or viewpoints just because your party is pushing them. For example, when Clinton or Obama advocated border security, Dems followed, when Trump advocated that, Dems were appalled. I don’t want to over simplify things, as you have lots of complex issues but, as an outsider, the end result isn’t much different. Looking at say Fox & CNN, you’d think they were talking about two completely opposite things. Of course no news network points out the commonalities or when parties agree, it doesn’t sell or grab attention. I may be in the minority but, I see a lot of pantomime and promises and very little delivery. I think Trump was the result of ‘hope and change’ not happening. As for Trump lying, and counting lies. Have we counted the lies or unfulfilled promises of all Dem & Rep presidents in the past century or so? It seems almost expected to lie as a politician. Whether its Woodrow Wilson, LBJ, tricky Dicky, Clinton, the Bushs etc. Is one lie unacceptable or only many? Is America ready to hold XXXXX in politics accountable? If so, that’s a very good thing, as truth is the best of ideals IMHO. I think the best start would be identifying when your own candidate is lying and hold them accountable. That’s not a ‘he said, she said’, as I don’t support either party, in the past two elections could you have possibly had worse options? We have our own panto this side of the Atlantic Ocean. Huxley talked of the politicians of the future being actors, marketable people who could be coached to appear sincere in the public eye. I wonder how many of you would watch this video and tell me this isn’t reality: HOPIUM https://www.bitchute.com/video/ShD1jwx5mJtY/ Cheers Chris PS anywhere it says ‘XXXXX’ it refers to people not telling the truth, it’s not profanity or a curse.
  10. Another very powerful thing is that the focus is always about who fired the gun and from where (if not Ozzie). As opposed to what were the circumstances that led to him being killed and who was behind it. That serves as a distraction too, it prevents most of us from looking for a bigger picture. Most of us see things in isolation, we have a macro focus on traumatic events and a small proportion are deep analytical thinkers who see patterns easily. I do like the ‘cui bono’ logic espoused by some JFK authors.
  11. Hi Michaleen, I am also a PR guy. To me, the power of the government narrative has always been significantly more powerful than the chaps alleging conspiracy, the government had the natural proclivity of the public to conform on their side. But, those alleging conspiracy were much more compelling and had much more conviction. Hence why, the media deflection changed from lone nut, to a wash of other irrelevance, Mafia, Cuban’s, John Birch, etc etc. Anything but, at the military or CIA. Then it became about discrediting JFK, his achievements, his romantic attachments, his family’s behaviour, all of which made people care less about their slain leader. I think this was built into the strategy, layers of blame which took the heat off the actual planners or perpetrators. The truth was lost to the public in that sea of irrelevance and was powerful enough to create self doubt, too many options. An impartial media could have made a mockery of the magic bullet and opened everyones eyes, instead they pushed Arlene Spector and theoretical physics which was a fantasy. The CIA would have been very well versed by 1963 in psychological warfare, with sophisticated propaganda campaigns to mislead the public before and after their regime change operations abroad. Just my thoughts anyway. Thanks for sharing this. Cheers Chris
  12. I do think Ben’s views are quite important. Given how partisan the public discourse is, and that the truth often lies somewhere between two extremes, I welcome opposing views, which make for a healthy discourse in a free and open society. It helps us look at things from an opposing perspective and question our own views, which often aren’t derived from own critical thinking but, from powerful media direction in this day and age. There is nothing too metaphysical, abstruse or esoteric about what Ben is saying. All we can do is seek truth, and that can’t be found by searching out material that suits our own confirmation bias or patting each other on the back for sharing the same views. We have much more in common than what makes us different. We should also maintain our high values regardless of which political party or affiliation is in question or at fault. Of course this is easier said than done, as we are all human and imperfect. Whatever the true answer is here, lets hope it is found and not whitewashed. Lets hope the result isn’t that the place we occupy isn’t less free as a result of the enquiry.
  13. Do we really even need freedom? What could possibly go wrong without it?! A compelling monologue about where we are right now. One for you @Paul Brancato “But now I see that merely to live is not enough, not nearly. A caged bird is alive, but without the freedom to fly in the limitless sky it is denied everything that makes it a bird in the first place. To be alive is not enough. What matters is to live in freedom. A bird is such a fragile creature. It is really all and only about movement. Take away a bird’s movement and it is a handful of feathers and air.Freedom is not negotiable. You are either free, or you are not. Freedom is not even safe. Those who have been imprisoned are often terrified of freedom – all those choices, all of that personal responsibility. This is why ex-cons often re-offend, so they can go back behind bars where it feels safer, out of harm’s way.”
  14. Actors speak out promoting taking an experimental treatment that isn’t solving the problem. We share and clap our heroes. ✅ Actors speak out against taking an experimental treatment. They’re not credible, we silence them. ❌ Virologists, epidemiologists, Dr’s, Scientists speak in favour of taking an experimental treatment for safety reasons, they’re credible. ✅ Virologists, epidemiologists, Dr’s, Scientists speak out against taking an experimental treatment for safety reasons, they’re not credible, we silence them. ❌ Fantastic use of logic guys. FYI confirmation bias is a two way street. It’s always a lot easier to con someone than it is to convince someone they have been conned.
  15. Yes, you got the patriot act, a mass loss of privacy and the the biggest data capture in history began. That term 9/11 became the justification for any overt action anywhere, just as long as the MSM kept it firmly in the public conscious. Of course anyone taking flights could never forget it. TBH, I haven't read too much on it, it looked like protestors breaking into a government building. I did a little refresher as to when thats happened before in the USA, which was interesting. It looked like a rabble of the disenfranchised. Knowing America's past, it would not surprise me if plain close cops or FBI were in the mix. If we're holding down and outs for 6 months in solitary for breaking and entering or disorderly conduct, how far are we off Maoist China or the Soviet Union? What do genuine subversives get, waterboarding at GTMO? Oh wait, America already did that. 🙂 Its not even funny ... But, actually 9/11 made that acceptable, most of us heard about torture and didn't think it was the type of thing a despotic regime does, we thought it was necessary after 9/11. Thats the power of media. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. He was expected to be the corruptible establishment guy, who would use power to further his and his family wealth. I bet the first person who went to call a favour from JFK, left thinking "this isn't how its supposed to work". They got a shock, they assumed he wouldn't betray his class. The more I read, the more I think the person who have the nod to kill JFK had a surname name starting with R .... I tend to take Carroll Quigley's work as credible, he had no motive to invent, he was a serious historian and lecturer at Harvard, Georgetown and Brown. Bill Clinton's mentor too. It's another incremental step toward something Huxley & Orwell forecasted in different ways.
  16. So, you believe they melted the steel and thats how it collapsed?! Ok cool. How did those passports avoid damage? No but, you disregarded my comment about technology. You usually have to wait 10-15 years to hear what the Pentagon has come up with. Neither of us know how, there are plenty of ways to skin a cat. Ozzie could have got further back in the room and still found an angle for an easy shot, Day of the Jackal style. Like you, I don't believe he fired a shot. Where did I mentioned steel joists being cut? What about the very qualified people who say 'inside job' ? How do you decide which qualified people to listen to? Do you do it on volume? Have a count up? I thought I addressed this above but, i'll go again. Where is the incentive? What is your motivation for speaking up? Truth? Some very truthful people have but, the majority of people would have had the sense and self preservation not to challenge the government on this, not to commit social suicide in their friendship circle, and not to jeopardise their future opportunity of work. Imagine your name blasted across the papers and internet, attached to being a conspiracy theorist. Would you speak up? Or would you say, i'll just keep my views to myself? The answer is obvious, unless you are very courageous and probably an idealist. Thats a very tiny percentile of the population. I don't know what W's views are but, it's funny the way you phrase that. The guy in Saudi who claimed his identity was used was never involved. I don't know if they were remotely piloted, I know the tech was newly available. I am open minded. You like that word 'unlikely' but, the notion that the government, the CIA or FBI were involved in a plot to kill JFK sounds very unlikely if you've just read a few news articles and listened to Walter Cronkite on TV, you'd find it very acceptable that Ozzie did it. Right? I have never spoken to @W. Niederhut about 9/11, i should imagine he'll reply if he indeed sees any merit. It's the same with this, only one needs proving to collapse the 9/11 commission, the whole thing doesn't need explaining. You seem not to have addressed some of my points, like Flight 77 and the Pentagon and the cellular phone calls. Would you care to in the spirit of this back and forth? The trouble with consciences is that we have mathematics and probability. If they keep happening, you know something is up. Unless you're the kind of guy that goes in the strip club and thinks the stripper fancies you?! 🙂 It's like the 100 or so people in Belzer's book that died in the aftermath of the JFKA. We could say pure coincidences but, what were the odds? 133 trillion to one or something crazy. The biggest attack on US soil since Pear Harbour and the busiest day in US aviation history due to the air force being up in terror drills, simulating hijackings. Seems a bit fishy. I am sure there are some bits and bobs in this that can be disregarded. I think there are some that can't. There are some magic bullets. I can certainly get digging into this, I last looked in 2016 or 17. It's every bit as fascinating as the JFKA.
  17. That’s actually false. A very well meaning Dr has tried to put this through congress twice and its been rejected. I mean having unvaxxed vs vaxxed study groups to determine causality. The data produced regarding that claim regarding MMR, and autism didn’t prove the vaccine doesn’t cause autism but, it was used as deflection. I think it focussed on Thimericol or somethijt similarly named which is mercury based. The CDC website says in bold lettering, vaccines do not cause autism. But the disclaimer pamphlet with the vaccine lists autism as a potential side effect. The reason that is in there is so that the company making the shot can’t be sued. Why would they need to pop that in the disclaimer? It’s almost like you are completely unaware that people who have had both shots are catching the virus, spreading the virus and are dying of the virus. If the stuff coming out this week regarding Pfizer is 100% accurate, people are more susceptible to the virus as the vaccines effectiveness is waning. It lasts 6 months. I’d imagine this reply is a bit of an eye opener.
  18. After the first read of Stephen’s comment I was going to agree with him and then it suddenly occurred to me that it can mean two different things and i’d likely interpreted it differently to the way it was actually intended. “A distraction to reveal a more diabolical process.” “ a Trojan Horse that was propped up and pushed into play by oligarchs and fascists who used him to put policies and players into position that would further consolidate their power.” Despite the potential of a coup being a fantasy IMHO (for reasons cited earlier ij the thread). The idea of it being used as a distraction and there being a more diabolical process behind that seems possible and, there is a consolidation of power. The psychological impact of that day seems massive, just amongst forum members here, they mostly think democracy almost fell and was lost. The impact of that will be the state cracking down on, profiling, surveilling, censoring and criminalising people who express dissent, and plan or carry out protests. This will be the reason. They are domestic terrorists now. In the world of ‘thought crimes’, where is this going to take us? Sounds like power is and will be consolidated, the state vs the people.
  19. Thank you for all of your hard work and endeavours. I am certain the majority of us would be willing to contribute, so that maintenance costs are covered. We’d hate to see this tremendous resource disappear. Best wishes, Chris
  20. Just as you pointed out above that you don’t necessarily automatically believe everything you read from anti-vaxxers. I don’t either, I like to read, 1-2 books per week and listen to podcasts. I also don’t automatically believe everything I hear from government. Another belief is that intelligent human beings have the capacity to grasp and understand fields of study outside of their usual domain of expertise. Is it conceivable to you that government could be used as a mechanism for private corporations to profit? If so, what would be the circumstances and conditions required for that to happen? Are you conscious of how philanthropic, charitable foundations operate and are used in America and globally? ie The Rockefeller Foundation, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation etc Are you aware that there are two companies in the world that have a monopoly in every major industry? If so, do you understand what kind of a culture that creates, as well as the to people & democracy? I can share something with you, I felt just like this, thats these purple and green haired types screaming at the tops of their voices at authority about vaccines must be maladjusted, uneducated or resentful. MSM originally created that perception in my mind. However, when this crisis started, I not only read about the history of vaccines, and the times we’ve screwed up with their safety but, I also had time to look at the Autism argument. I went into this on the fence, after doing some reading from the CDC site and those against the CDC, I came to a rather interesting finding. The finding was that most of these people trying to fight the CDC on the MMR vaccine and allege it causes autism, aren’t actually anti-vaxxers. Most of them are pro-vaccine safety. The next question you have is; why is the media portraying them as something they are not? The argument of those alleging some vaccine or a vaccine is causing autism is very simple. All they are asking is that the government releases the data (which should be owned by the tax payer). You see around 30% of Americans haven’t had the shots in question and around 70% had. They say, show us the date and it either kills or vindicates our argument. To me that seems a very fair request, given the tax payer funded it. And it puts the situation to bed. But, the government will not release the data. What are your conclusions? with 50% of Americans with serious underlying health conditions from childhood, is it just diet and environment thats causing it. Any idea why we have just 5 or 6 shots in the UK to give us immunities and you guys in the USA are having 69 shots or something like that now? I have probably had 10 shots, allowing for ones that covered me in the far east, middle east and south/central America. Americans are having a lot. Robert F Kennedy Jr has written and talked about this plenty, he understands the crux of the issue perfectly. It’s easy enough to find outside of MSM. In regard to the CDC & the WHO, as you can probably tell, Dennis and I are accusing them. So to accept their figures, which I have pointed out earlier in this thread are disingenuous, would be like us having the local fox running the enquiry into why 3 hens are missing from the hen house. It’s entirely antithetical. Or having the probable conspirators in the JFKA, being the architects of the investigation of his murder. I am sure the FBI and CIA were very useful. As I say, its antithetical. I 100% believe what I am saying, my expertise isn’t in virology. It’s in public relations and that really was why in late March 2020, I began to question what we were being fed, as the techniques used were straight out of the handbook. It doesn’t surprise me that people wouldn’t understand this, as most people are completely unaware that they are being sold products, there is zero difference between selling ideas and products, the principles and psychological techniques are the same. Cary Mullis - Inventor or the PCR test stated that his test is not to be used to detect viruses, as it’s wholly inaccurate for that and produced false positives. Is this one of the experts you prefer to listen to or ignore? Dr Robert Malone, inventor or the MRNA technology is telling is the MRNA vaccines are dangerous and should be pulled. He has been speaking out from the start. I don’t know how many DR’s, MD’s, PHD’s or virologists need to speak to be taken seriously. There are plenty of them, but, they’re being censored or ignored via MSM. To have a balanced argument, we need to look at all sides to make an informed decision. You don’t achieve that with censorship. Or propaganda. We’d like to know too, but, at present hospitals are telling us the vaccines are perfectly safe, however, the reporting is done via a ‘self reporting system’. How do you report your own death? Harvard conducted a study in 2016 on this self reporting vaccine system and decided that whatever the reported deaths or side effects caused by a vaccine, that this amount would actually be to the power of 10. So, just like in my earlier reply, this needs recording properly so that the public can have accurate date and make an informed decision. 5000 vaccine deaths were reported a month or so ago, as an expected consequence of using an experimental treatment, that skipped animal testing and only has emergency permissions granted. If you’re taking the Harvard study seriously, then the actual amount might be 50k deaths, which suddenly is a noticeable figure, namely because that means it killed more people than actual Covid during the same period. Which may or may not concern you. In short, the data is not fit for purpose and outrageously the news networks who have told us for months that the vaccines are perfectly safe, bow have the audacity to turn around and say that we always knew the vaccines would be imperfect, as they were produced in an emergency scenario. Great. Thanks Chris
  21. Hi Denny, thanks for your reply. Actually, all of this is pretty new to us in many respects concerning the governmental response. We had two pathogens, one in the 1950’s and one in the 1960’s that are absolutely comparable to the fatality % of the population (that even makes allowances for the innacurate attribution of caused of death, and we didn’t lock the world down then, or embark on the biggest propaganda campaign of fear in modern history and facilitate the biggest transferal of wealth in human history. In short, we didn’t need a vote as the response was proportionate. Do you know the % of the population that Sars Cov2 is fatal in? Do you also know how many people die in your country every day? Do you know what the biggest killers are? This is all very relevant. Thanks
  22. Thanks for your reply, Paul. Yes, I seem to remember from when I looked at this, the deflection implied that it was the normal/expected amounts of thermites to be found in the soil of a city.
  23. Morning Jeremy, The issue is, we don’t know how the building was brought down, the mechanics of it, unless we subscribe to the planes and jet fuel being enough. With something so startling, you’d think any diligent investigators might have tested the rubble for thermites, amongst other things. The reality was they disposed of all of that quickly. It looks like a controlled demolition, but, we’re also not privy to the tech that the Pentagon has in its repertoire. I wouldn’t 100% rule out something else. There is a bit of a legacy here too, with OKC, as there were multiple people involved in that and only one really took the fall. On that morning people resembling the suspects were frigging around in the basement. There is also the failed Moscow apartment bombing where (alleged) KGB guys were rumbled while laying charges in 1994. Had that been completed it would have been pinned on the Chechen’s. I would argue there is form in the US and abroad for such an act. It isn’t implausible to me. But, if you’re planning something, the more far fetched it sounds, the more the public will reject the idea. People watching with their own eyes will assume its the planes that brought the towers down. God knows why they think building 7 collapsed 🙂 Just touching on the SBD and Ozzie, the public were still left thinking; why didn’t he take the much easier shot as JFK was coming at him, basically unmissable. In response to the 3 points that made you think it was unlikely: 1) Regarding the plausibility, there are multiple witnesses who claimed hearing a series of explosions, including some more the first plane hit. I can dig out some videos if required. 2) The lack of whistleblowers or experts speaking out is the easiest thing to explain. One, they’re in shock and have an emotional memory of the event, which will impede their critical thinking. Also, its social and possibly career suicide to make a public statement suggesting it was a demolition. Lastly, if you suspect an inside job, what is the consequence to you and family for speaking out. Better get that life insurance in order. If we put ourselves in their shoes, they’d need to be courageous and most people aren’t, they’d need to be willing to put their safety and security on the line for high ideals. How many politicians who liked JFK spoke out with their suspicions in the aftermath of the JFKA, not enough. Self preservation kicks in. 3) As preposterous as it sounds, some guy in Saudi Arabia whose photo and name was attached, went to lawyers to protect himself and claim mistaken identity. A little bit like the other George Bush of the CIA did an affidavit after he was being linked with George Bush CIA memorandum. Regarding the hijackers, what W.N said is true, as far as I can verify it. Regarding Ozzie on the steps, they would have switched plans. If we talk 9/11 camera footage or video. I think I am correct in saying there is only one angle showing a plane ever so briefly. Yet, where are all of the other camera angles from surrounding buildings and from the pentagon. Its one of the most secure places on earth. Lots of images/footage was sequestered. Thats the plane that was doing 536mph, at ground level and makes a sharp 90 degree turn and manages to go through 2 or 3 walls of the Pentagon and all we get left with is a plaque asserting the serial number of the plane. The same flight 77 that a US Colonel said was actually a missile hitting the Pentagon. Its been ages since I looked at this but, how does a Boeing 757 322 or whatever it was do that speed at ground level and make a sharp right angle turn? No pilot could do it. Let alone so guys with hangovers from strip clubs who’ve had a few lessons on Cessna’s or Piper Saratoga’s. Mysterious eh? What would happen to the plane performing such a feat at ground level? 536mph at cruising altitude in thin air, fine, this was at ground level. This is about the most insidious thing and plenty of cabin crew have said this; that cell phones now work high in the sky but, in 2001 nobody could make calls from a cellular phone at cruising altitude. Where was the plane when those calls were made? I don’t know if you are aware but, 9/11 was the busiest day in US aviation history. Do you know why? Because the air force were carrying out aircraft hijacking anti-terror drills. Airline pilots were instructed that a terror simulation was going on and that they were to follow any instructions given to them by the military. I think, well where have we seen this coincidence before? Oh yeh, on 7/7 when London was bombed, the British government had anti-terror people carrying out drills in some of the very stations that were bombed, a minister batted it off as coincidence. It also makes me think about the whole Plumlee abort operation that seemed to be going on while JFK was shot. You may be scratching your head but, there is a really good reason if you’re performing a false flag to have a drill at the same time. The reason is that if anybody discovers your plot beforehand, you have the cover of it being a security drill. Whilst the thing is happening, the security apparatus says nobody knew what was real or the drill, you hide behind confusion. There is something like 3.3 trillion dollars missing from the Pentagon budget during the 9/11 financial year. Its blamed on poor accounting and nobody gets fired, my jaw drops. You have this ton of insider trading on 9/11, before and during the attacks. SEC investigates and decides no prosecutions as none of the people suspected of insider trading were commented to terrorists. There was some BS about complex trading strategy. I am sure WiKi debunkers have had a bo at some of these. You’ll have to see what seems plausible. Do you think despite the fuel being hot enough to melt the strongest steel going, thAt its plausible to find a passport in the rubble, in tact? What was the passport cover made of, NASA grade asbestos? Not one bit of footage of the hijackers in the airports they allegedly passed through on the day. Miraculous. It just goes on and on... it only takes on of these things to debunk the 9/11 commission. You know Heinz Kissinger was originally picked as Executive Director of the commission. He was promptly replaced after public outcry. Then Philip Zelicow was his replacement, toward the end he was exposed for being the author of Bush’s Iraq War strategy. You just can’t make this stuff up. I have just been traveling and I am currently without WiFi but, when I get reconnected after quarantine i’ll dig out some links and video for you. There is so much to this scenario that doesn’t meet the eye. Cheers Chris PS apologies for any typos, this has been rattled out quickly.
  24. I’ve come across this on other forums concerning sport. I have a couple of questions for you @Mark Stevens - What was your thought process that made you think of this? What was the particular post? - Is the forum profiting from this or these infringements of intellectual property? When I have had my own IP infringed, that has been the chief criteria. - Whether rightly or wrongly, I was under the impression that should a complainant raise an issue regarding their IP, that it would be customary for the said content to be removed by the forum. - Other forums just pop things in their T&C’s that puts the responsibility on the poster, not the forum. How are Facebook & Co dealing with this particular issue? Thanks Chris
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