Greg Parker

You're conflating hearing both sides with accepting both sides. It exists to help find the facts of what happened. The tribe has now heard both sides and the tribe has spoken. The facts cannot in the end, exist as a two-sided coin. You called and you lost. House wins.

Can you give us the lists of positives and negatives? A "Calling from God" marks her as evangelical and not Hicksite. Evangelical Quakers look upon service to humanity as "social work" rather than religion. Anti-Communism on the other hand, would be a service to God and Church. The shallowness of your "understanding" is obvious.

Nope. It is not. Moreover, Oswald had allegedly paid up to May 1st and that is when BOTH the owner and the downstairs neighbors claimed that Oswald vacated. See previous post. Wait a minute, please, Greg. Are you saying that the Oswalds never lived at the Neely Street address from March through April 1963, or that their rent was paid up until May 1st? Regards, --Paul Trejo I'm saying they never lived there. I'm also saying that owner claimed rent was paid until May 1 and that was the date that the Grays (aka Brays) downstairs claimed the "Oswald's" vacated.

Gayle, I think may have got herself confused. The Grays (also listed as Brays) never mentioned seeing her walking the baby. That was Wayne Smith in his chat with RG. The Grays WERE interviewed. But under the name of BRAY. --------------- I agree - it was a safe house. Someone was paying for that electricity.

Well, Greg, I'm still seeking Utility Company Records for 214 West Neely Street, Dallas, between March 2 and April 23, when the Oswald's allegedly lived there, according to Marina Oswald, Ruth and Michael Paine, and George and Jeanne DeMohrenschildt, as well as Captain Will Fritz and several DPD officers who searched the apartment. But you posted something very interesting here, and I'd like to review all seven sentences -- sentence by sentence. Evidently it is a report from the Utility Company meter reader. Let's bear in mind the dates: March 2nd the Oswalds allegedly moved in, and on April 23rd the Oswald's evidently skipped town without telling their landlord or anybody. Let's look at the meter reader summary: ------------------- BEGIN OFFICIAL METER READER NOTATION -------------------- 1. "On March 20, 1963, when the meter was read again, it reflected 36 kilowatt hours had been used, however, the meter reader reported the premises vacant." This note skips what happened before March 20th, but we'll start from here. It shows only 36 kilowatt hours since March 2nd -- suggesting the occupants didn't have a television, or many electric appliances. (The Oswalds come to mind.). Now, the meter reader reported the premises were vacant -- but based on what? Did he peek in the window? If so, could he have been mistaken? 2. "This meter was read again on April 19, 1963 reflecting 66 kilowatt hours had been used and the meter reader reported the premises were occupied." This report, four weeks later, shows only 66 kilowatt hours were used in a 28 day period -- again suggesting that the occupants didn't have a television, or many electric appliances. But this time the meter reader recognizes clearly that the premises are NOT vacant. 3. On April 24, a letter addressed to the occupant of 214 West Neeley was sent by the Power and Light Company as a user of electricity and requesting this person to make a deposit. The problem with this entry is the date -- Ruth Paine says she moved Marina and baby June out of this apartment on 23 April 1963 -- and so this apartment would have been almost totally EMPTY on the 24th. Certainly there would be nobody there to receive a note to reply. 4. No response was received. This fact squares with Ruth Paine's testimony -- she had moved Marina and June to her own house in Irving on April 23, there was nobody to receive the notice from the Power and Light Company sent on April 24, in order to send any response. 5. On May 1, 1963, a personal representative of the Power and Light Company was sent to the address of 214 West Neely, at which time the letter mailed by the Power and Light Company on April 24, 1963 was observed still in the mail box. This fact also squares with Ruth Paine's testimony -- since the Oswald's had abandoned the apartment on the 23rd of April, naturally the note from the Power and Light Company would still be in the mail box! 6. As a result, a cut off order was issued for the electrical services on May 1, 1963 and service was discontinued on May 2, 1963. In this case the joke was on the Power and Light Company, because LHO was no longer at this address, and had no need for further service -- and besides that, LHO would almost certainly skip out on any money he owed the big Power Company. 7. FISH stated that there was a handwritten note in the Power and Light Company's file in his handwriting that on March 29, 1963, 214 West Neely was occupied by LEE HARVEY OSWALD. This is the most important sentence of all. An actual official of the Power and Light Company, named Mr. FISH wrote in his own handwriting that on March 29th, 1963, the apartment at 214 West Neely in Dallas was occupied by none other than LHO. ------------------- END OFFICIAL METER READER NOTATION --------------------- Isn't it perfectly clear by the very records of the Power and Light Company, that LHO was living in that apartment during the period that Marina and Ruth claimed, namely, from March 2nd through April 23rd 1963? Regards, --Paul Trejo Nope. It is not. Moreover, Oswald had allegedly paid up to May 1st and that is when BOTH the owner and the downstairs neighbors claimed that Oswald vacated. See previous post.

Thanks Gene. Very good summary. Just to add a little bit... the FBI did end up tracking the Grays down... except by now, they were calling him George Bray. He and his wife never actually come out and say clearly that they ever saw the Oswalds - only heard them - fighting. Claims the Oswalds moved in early May. This is in line with the owner who claimed Oswald had paid rent up to May 1st. The Grays (or is it Brays?) were also said to have moved out on May 1st by the owner. If the Gray-Brays moved on May 1, how could they know they Oswald's moved in "early May". Collusion with the landlord and/or FBI seems the probable answer. Also - Oswald officially moved out on Apr 24 - very unOswald like to overpay his stay... Claims they were visited on occasion by one or two young couples and a single white male of chunky build. Claims they were moved in by a female driving a white station wagon. Landlady at Elsbeth however disagreed. Claimed they moved all their stuff in a stroller.

Jon, this reminds me of those who say "if you claim Oswald didn't shoot anyone that day, you should be able to say who did." I don't know who pulled the trigger. I only know it wasn't Oswald. I don't know where the Oswald's lived. I only know it wasn't in that Neely St apartment. So on the date that Ruth Paine was allegedly visiting that address and taking Marina off for an outing, the meter reader was reporting the place as vacant. On March 29, the same meter reader allegedly scrawls the name Lee Harvey Oswald in the margin of the file for the address, but nothing is done regarding contacting this alleged new resident until after another visit on April 19 - at which time he reports the apartment as "occupied". They do this by sending a letter on April 24 (the same day LHO moves to New Orleans) - not addressed to Oswald - but to "the occupant." On yet another visit on May 1, the the premises are again vacant and the April 24 letter is still sitting in the mail box. The only evidence here connecting Oswald to that address at all is his name hand-written in the file - allegedly on March 29. But what is not explained is how Fish got that name. His last visit was 9 days before that and he had asserted at that time that the place was vacant. Meter readers, as far as I know, do not make extensive inquiries regarding the occupants of buildings. Nor would a meter reader be the one to take a phone call from a new occupant advising they'd moved in. Someone supplied that name to fish, seemingly in an "off the record" manner, he jotted the name down, but was not prepared to run with that without the occupant themselves confirming it - thus the letter to "the occupant". Now over to you and Paul. Evidence. Hard physical evidence please that Oswald lived there. ----------------------

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Gene, When you say the guns were shipped that day, do you mean they arrived at their destination? I don't see any significance if they merely shipped on that day. (Or maybe I misunderstand the whole point of your post.) Sandy, Gene was merely quoting me. Since Ruth forged and posted the order, I think she would like to know that the order has been filled and shipped. I think saying she picked up Marina, with regards to the first time, gives her an alibi to be in the area from which the order was posted... in the second instance...well, who knows? The fact is that she was not picking Marina up on Neely... all the stuff I mentioned is a fact.... it's all already been checked out. Again, in the absence of documentary evidence AND a flat out denial by the suspect, we are expected to take the word of a bunch of the most dubious witnesses in history.

Nope. I can post it here. Just not going to. Every time I've done that in the past, it's ended up in someone else's book - sometimes attributed sometimes not - sometimes used in the correct context - sometimes not. A couple of years ago I decided enough is enough. I had to publish the material myself. How certain? Certain. Absolutely. A lot of the facts haven't come from MFF or NARA. They have come from all manner of sources and publications. Those who think this case will be solved by the still unreleased files are living in fantasy-land. Some of it will be useful. None of it will be ground-breaking. You can cast doubt and aspersions all you want. The first two volumes of my book contain more new material than decades worth of other books. The truth is out there. Right now. For the taking. All you need is an eye for the smallest of details and a brain that will conduct its own algorithms to see if/how it might fit with other details, the ability to recognize and discard "junk" items and the common sense to sort wheat from chaff, even among items that do "fit" together. That is to say, okay, these things fit, but singly or in toto, is there relevance? Such items however, are not discarded as junk. They are simply archived in the deep recesses in case relevance becomes apparent later.

Well, Gene, you really believe that Lee Oswald never lived at the Neely Street apartment? Upon what "factual digging?" Look at the tangled web you're weaving here, Gene. Without saying so you're suggesting that Ruth Paine is planting evidence for a murder weapon in LHO's possession as early as March 20, 1963 -- weapons that will be linked to the Tippit and JFK murders on 11/22/1963. This suggests some cloak and dagger scenario in which Ruth Paine is working for the FBI or CIA? Come right out and say it, please. Regards, --Paul Trejo No rental records to prove it, no utility records to prove it, no neighbor verification to prove it, Oswald's denial of it, the address being given to police by Mike Paine. No proof. Just a lot of smoke. No one is suggesting anything except that the timing of events (whether real or merely alleged) seem to surpass mere random chance. Ruth Paine was all snugly with the intel community.

Is it not pitiful that the debate about the JFK conspiracy has fallen to the level of a competition over insults? I think it's a confession of bankruptcy. Regards, --Paul Trejo No contest! You win hands down just by being here. The coin came down tails. Should I try for best two out of three?

rabid: having or proceeding from an extreme or fanatical support of or belief in something; (of an animal) affected with rabies. I'm flipping a coin...

Would you like to phone a friend, buy a clue, take a hint, or pick door 3?

Humor added for Greg Parker A bit too close to reality to be funny, Tommy.

------------------- Mrs. RICH. Well, we got there and at that time there was the colonel and another middle-aged woman, kind of a real old granite face I would describe her, steel-gray hair. Looked rather mannish. (1) And there was a rather---- Mr. HUBERT. Did you know her name? Mrs. RICH. No; I was introduced. Names were mentioned around. I don't recall it. And then there was another rather pugnacious-looking fellow, who looked at though he might have been an ex-prizefighter.(2) Mr. HUBERT. Were you introduced to him? Mrs. RICH. I was introduced to everyone. Mr. HUBERT. Who else was there? Mrs. RICH. The colonel, the woman, and the prizefighter type, a couple of other men that just kind of sat off in the corner. One of them looked rather dark, like he might have been Cuban or Latin American, and Dave, my husband, and myself. Mr. HUBERT. Tell us what happened at that meeting. Mrs. RICH. Well, apparently from what I could discern, they had some kind of a hitch in their plans. And at that time I point blank spoke up and said, "Well, suppose we discuss the plans in full before we"--meaning my husband and myself--"get into this. I would like to know what we are getting into. And at this point you know by now I certainly have a say in this matter." Then it came out-- boom---quite blank. We were going to bring Cuban refugees out---but we were going to run military supplies and Enfield rifles in. Mr. HUBERT. Who made that statement? Mrs. RICH. I believe it was the Latin-looking fellow that first made the statement. But the colonel clarified it. The colonel seemed to be the head of it and seemed to do all the talking. Mr. HUBERT. He was in uniform? Mrs. RICH. Yes; he was. Mr. HUBERT. Could you describe what the colonel looked like? Mrs. RICH. Vaguely. I would say approximately 45 to 50, perhaps a little younger. He was kind of bald, and that may have made him look older. As I recall, a rather slightly built man--and I would not swear to it.(3) (1) Castor's wife (2) Heavyweight contender Buddy Turman* (3) Col. L. Robert Castorr *After a fight in Dallas, he met Jack Ruby. They became friends and Turman began working off and on for him as a manager and bouncer at some of his Dallas night clubs. Turman was interviewed by the FBI soon after Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald in November 1963.[3] Turman shared his opinions of Ruby and what he knew of Ruby's acquaintances in the Dallas Police Department. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Turman

"Three years earlier, in 1983, Sensi and Moallem had persuaded former U.S. Army Col. Robert Castorr to become a partner in Impex Aalamin." http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/cigarettes-cia-iran-contra JOSEPH MCMONEAGLE, EDWIN C. MAY AND L. ROBERT CASTORR: MEMOIRS OF A PSYCHIC SPY (ARTIKELNUMMER: ) http://www.remoteviewing.de/index.php/component/jshopping/product/view/5/69?Itemid=0

Caddy posts anything and everything in the JFK section to increase the chances of it being read. But I said in the last post, I can add to what Mr Gray has - and as it turns out - it provides the link you require. L Robert Castorr is a common denominator between JFK, the Remote Viewing Program and --- the Iran-Contra Affair.

Jon, Have you ever considered the following: If the purpose of the conspiracy was only to eliminate Kennedy and have a patsy take the blame, then there was no reason to fake a Mexico City trip. Because Oswald's alleged motive had already been well established by his defection to Russia and his pro-Castro activities in New Orleans. So what was the purpose of Oswald's alleged (fake) trip to Mexico City and alleged meeting with KGB assassinations chief Valeriy Kostikov? Surely it had to have been designed to lay the blame for JFK's murder at Russia's feet. Yet, look at what happened. The coverup artists successfully isolated Lone Nut Oswald as the sole perpetrator of the crime. So, in effect, the coverup conspiracy was at odds with the assassination conspiracy... at least in this one respect. And in this one respect the assassination conspiracy failed. (In asking this, I assume you believe the Mexico episode was faked. I sure do.) I agree with Tommy. Very good points.

Tommy, when was the last time you asked an innocent question? Answer: How the hell do I know how they would ensure it? A rigged lottery for the "honor"? I do know that the Secret Service had zero love for Kennedy and that the ONLY real precaution they took to protect the President was to insist on selecting his steak themselves out of 200. This was allegedly to ensure it could not be poisoned. So the only real opportunity to poison the steak would come via the person serving it - unless of course, the Secret Service poisoned it themselves! Ask yourself how the wife of a listed subversive got that gig to start with! And moreover, who are the investigators going to believe slipped in the poison; her or the Secret Service? There may not have even been a criminal investigation if it mimicked natural causes and was not detectable at autopsy. If that was the intent, Molina's wife would be the fallback patsy if something went wrong and an investigation was actually done. Fine, Greg. Just seems that that would be a weak spot in their Plan C. You know, if they were hoping to blame the poisoned steak on Molina's wife but couldn't ensure that she would be the one serving it. Devil's in the details, as they say. Everything going to be alright, Greg. Take some deep breaths. --Tommy Tommy, it is not a weak spot just because you say so, nor because I do not know the answer. Can you point me to a presidential security manual which might have the waitress selection process? I have to wonder, is it me or everyone else that looks at things backasswards? To me, the question begging to be answered is not how they would ensure she served it (I imagine that part would not be much of a problem), the question is the one I asked you to ask yourself - how did the wife of a listed subversive get the gig to begin with?

Bill, I know a lot of focus is put on it having to do with communications - and it may well do - but what specifically would such communications be about? My hunch is that this is all tied in with ICBMs are other military hardware. Look to the symbolism of the four leaf clover for clues... Eve carried one out of the Garden of Eden... the beginning and the end... WWIII

Tommy, when was the last time you asked an innocent question? Answer: How the hell do I know how they would ensure it? A rigged lottery for the "honor"? I do know that the Secret Service had zero love for Kennedy and that the ONLY real precaution they took to protect the President was to insist on selecting his steak themselves out of 200. This was allegedly to ensure it could not be poisoned. So the only real opportunity to poison the steak would come via the person serving it - unless of course, the Secret Service poisoned it themselves! Ask yourself how the wife of a listed subversive got that gig to start with! And moreover, who are the investigators going to believe slipped in the poison; her or the Secret Service? There may not have even been a criminal investigation if it mimicked natural causes and was not detectable at autopsy. If that was the intent, Molina's wife would be the fallback patsy if something went wrong and an investigation was actually done.

The real issue is that I have reason to believe that the person participating in the forum under the name of “Ashton Gray” is hardly sufficient grounds to be making demands. If Pat Speer had anything concrete, he surely would already have insisted on ID verification. The whole idea of requiring real name and real photo is not necessarily a bad one in theory - but it is impossible to police - unless you do with every member what is being asked of a single one here. I frankly don't care if his real name is Ichabod McGurkenfarkle and he looks like Elmer Fudd's Great Uncle twice removed. I happen to think there is some merit in at least some of his claims. Hell, I can even toss some stuff in the mix to add to what he has.

Greg, I have re-read all the relevant testimony (that I'm aware of), removed the parts that I've concluded were later fabrications (the 2nd floor Baker/Oswald encounter), and compared what's left to your list of nine assertions. It all seems to fit with the possible exception of Baker seeing Oswald inside when he was asking for directions (because this seems unnecessary). As of now I'm using your model for my working theory Yeah... that's the only one I wouldn't put the farm on.

I am willing to -- and am in the process of doing it. The bare bones without going into the evidence. Oswald was a long-time cia asset who became the property of the fbi on return from Russia. What got him into "intelligence" was a program that will be revealed in the upcoming volume. This program both took him to the soviet union, and was the one used to get him into the TSBD. He was told he would be taking over from William Lowery in watching and informing on Joe Molina. Lowery had "outed" himself (and thus making him useless as an informant) in September. The real purpose of having him in there was to use as a potential patsy. There were three plans for assassination. The first at the 12:10 point in the motorcade was aborted for reasons I won't go into here. The second was the one that worked. If that too had been aborted, Molina's wife, who was set to be one of the women serving lunch at the trade mart, would have been given a poisoned steak for JFK. As soon as it became known she was the wife of a known local "subversive", they both would become scapegoats. The people who planned this had the means, motive and opportunity - as well as all the necessary connections. The framing of Oswald was based around real events from his past, but modified and brought forward to help incriminate him. It also drew heavily on known historical cases. Someone (and I am sure I know who), had access to information about Oswald's time in Misk and knew a lot about past communist cases. You can tear it down now, but I don't know how you'll justify that without knowing what evidence I have to support it all. The evidence will stand up. Also Paul... everything I have said here, I have said in the past. Maybe just not all in one post. "Oswald was a long-time cia asset who became the property of the fbi on return from Russia. What got him into "intelligence" was a program that will be revealed in the upcoming volume." http://www.ctka.net/2015/GregP2Excerpt.html Paul, He doesn't want to let Schrodinger's Cat out of the bag. But one of these days he's gonna prove that he broke the case wide open a couple of years ago. Aren't you, Greg. --Tommy As shown here, Tommy, I keep my promises. By the time I publish the third volume, you may well be right... it may be a couple of years since I made the case-breaking discovery. I'll ignore the sarcasm, Tommy. I know you're a bit bent out of your 8' 4" shape at the moment... but you'll bounce back.