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The WILMA BOND Photos Do Not Timestamp GORDON ARNOLD's Presence Anywhere on the Grassy Knoll by Donald Roberdeau 2003 Thank You to the many dedicated and respected John F. Kennedy assassination researchers who have provided their very appreciated and valuable follow up help with solid interpretations, clear follow up films frames, and clear photos. Good Day.... Here is my promised study timestamping the 6 post-attack photo-slides by WILMA BOND, the continuously-filmed DAVE WIEGMAN film, a JAMES TOWNER photo, and additional photos and films that collectively all show and detail for us up to 93-plus seconds after the Dealey Plaza attack the grassy knoll, retaining wall, picket fence area. Given what claims GORDON ARNOLD made in his 1978 initial statements (almost 15 years after the attack), then later, the claims that ARNOLD added (or changed) by the 1988 documentary (part 3), "The Men Who Killed Kennedy," then later, claims that ARNOLD added (or changed) in his 1989 oral history videotaped interview for the "Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza," here follows a study estimating a common sense timestamping range for the ARNOLD-claimed "Gordon Arnold+'badge man assassin'+'badge man accomplice,'" supposed, grassy knoll encounter utilizing BOND's timestamping (as told to RICHARD TRASK when she stated that she captured a photo-slide every 5 to 10 seconds) after her BOND #4 slide-photo, and coordinated with the continuous-filming DAVE WIEGMAN Jr.'s visibility in BOND slide photo #4: **NOTE** These actions seconds estimates are minimum, timestamping estimates, and do not allow for a probable element of liberal, even more time consuming, immobilizing anxieties by the, supposed, "Arnold," and/or the, supposed, "badge man accomplice," and/or the, supposed, crying "badge man" assassin during "Arnold's", supposed encounter. SECONDS AFTER SHOT SUPPOSEDLY PASSED ARNOLD's LEFT EAR......(Necessary mandatory minimum action timestamped after, supposed, "badge man"-triggered bullet passed "Arnold's" left side) 0 second after bullet, supposedly, passes "Arnold's" left side...... Shot occurs wherein the, supposed, "badge man" rifle muzzle end opening is elevated a minimum of at least 7.60' above the ground if the rifle muzzle end opening of the, supposed, "badge man" (BM) is even with the picket fence. The mandatory minimum height is necessary for the bullet to barely clear the retaining wall corner by 1" if the very top of the President's head was 4' above the Z-313 street point. Before barely clearing the retaining wall corner, the bullet, supposedly, passes close to ARNOLD's left side according to his claims [1, 2] (If President KENNEDY's head top was 5' above Elm Street, the mandatory minimum height of the, supposed, "badge man" weapon muzzle end would have been 6.98') **NOTE** Please see the following viewable link for the larger professionally surveyed and scaled diagram showing that President KENNEDY was facing nearly 90-degrees perpendicular away from the, supposed, "badge man" assassin and the, supposed, grassy knoll picket fence assassin at Z-313 when his head, initially, exploded. 1-2 seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... According to ARNOLD, he immediately reacts and, according to persons who believe RALPH YARBOROUGH's nebulous statement in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy," YARBOROUGH, fleetingly, saw "ARNOLD," jumps 10'  to his right (westward), away from the, supposedly, close bullet that passed him on his left. ARNOLD lands on the ground to his right (west-to-west-south-westward from where he was standing pre-shot), some distance away from the bow shockwave passing him on his left. [1, 2] NOTE: There is at least one conflict between several elements involving YARBOROUGH's statements, ARNOLD's statements, the "Arnold" image mandatory line-of-sight as seen in the MOORMAN #5 polaroid MACK-WHITE transparent-oils-colorized, brightness/contrasted enhancement captured concurrent with Z-315/6, and the WILLIS #5 slide-photo mandatory "black dog man" image. (see YARBOROUGH's 1993 statements, detailed below) The WILLIS #5 slide photo captured the HSCA-determined human "black dog man" at Z-202, only 6 seconds before the President's head exploded. ARNOLD said he had his camera upwards at his face, and was panning the camera, when he noticed the President was already on Elm Street . Some persons think that the "black dog man" is ARNOLD. If true, it is common sense that if ARNOLD was already standing and panning with his upheld mother's movie camera, that he was standing still while panning side-to-side. Further strong support (and common sense) for ARNOLD/"black dog man" having to stand without moving his feet while having his mother's movie camera upwards to his face is that a few persons contend that ARNOLD was standing on a "dirt mound," which would also, most likely, require him to be standing still and motionless while, supposedly, filming while balanced atop the "dirt mound". Please refer to the above HSCA survey-based diagram (note the very-near-levelness of the professionally surveyed ground from the inside corner of the retaining wall, across the top pergola step, all the way to the corner of the picket fence.... In no professional ground survey has any dirt mound ever been detailed, and, to-date, no one has supplied photographic support from 22NOV63 showing a dirt mound located anywhere on the mandatory line-of-sight for "Arnold" as seen in the MACK-WHITE MOORMAN transparent-oils-colorized, brightness/contrasted enhancement. Also in the above HSCA survey-based diagram, please note the intersection point of the WILLIS "black dog man" image mandatory line-of-sight with the MACK-WHITE transparent-oils-colorized, brightness-contrasted enhanced MOORMAN version mandatory line-of-sight. This intersection point is located in the very short space between the eastern-edge of the pergola west sidewalk, and the western-edge of the retaining wall. In "The Men Who Killed Kennedy," YARBOROUGH said he "saw a man jump about 10 feet and land against a wall, like an old time flying tackle in football." Note that YARBOROUGH did not, specifically, say he saw a man wearing a military uniform, nor did YARBOROUGH say this man was wearing a military cap, but, instead, YARBOROUGH inferred the "old time flying tackle" reminded him of someone who may have been infantry-trained. From YARBOROUGH's perspective higher than "ARNOLD's" head top from Z-160 to about 220, and, from YARBOROUGH's perspective lower than "ARNOLD's" from Z-220 onward, the 3.3' tall retaining wall would have blocked approximately half, then more than half (including "Arnold's" waistline belt buckle), of "Arnold's" body, yet in the MACK-WHITE transparent-oils-colorized, brightness-contrasted enhanced MOORMAN version we can "see" several inches below "Arnold's" beltline/belt buckle. From YARBOROUGH's perspective lower than "Arnold" from Z-220 all the way to, at least, Z-323, for YARBOROUGH to be able to perspectively estimate a 10' horizontal run/dive towards a "wall" (whether it be the retaining wall, or, the picket fence "wall") "Arnold" would have to be moving roughly perpendicular to across YARBOROUGH's line-of-sight (not mostly straight at, or, moving mostly directly away from YARBOROUGH), for YARBOROUGH to estimate a 10' distance covered in only 1 or 2 seconds. Perpendicular to YARBOROUGH is along a due north-south line of direction. We know from total lack of witness and photographic evidence that no one dove from that spot due south and landed onto the inclined area near the pergola steps, nor is anyone seen laying, west of the west end of the retaining wall. YARBOROUGH clarified his position even more in 1993 when he was interviewed at his Austin home by historian DAVID MURPH of Texas Christian University. MURPH reminded YARBOROUGH that he had been quoted as saying he had witnessed a man on the grassy knoll throw himself down on the ground, and that the man had impressed him as a combat veteran. YARBOROUGH seemed puzzled to hear that his words had been applied to someone standing on the grassy knoll. "That couldn't possibly be correct," he insisted repeatedly. "Remember where I was in the motorcade — with the Johnsons," he cautioned MURPH, "too far back to have been able to see anyone (on the knoll) drop to the ground when firing began."  Another conflict is that if "Arnold" dove due north, which was towards the retaining wall's much longer east, north-south-running leg, he would have been diving TOWARDS A 130 DECIBELS TO 150 DECIBELS EAR-SHATTERING, "badge man" TRIGGERED MUZZLE BLAST/BULLET BOW-SHOCKWAVE that, supposedly, passed very close to his ear. (In the diagram linked above, the red line represents the center of the, supposed, "badge man's" head, not the, supposed, trajectory of a, supposed, Z-313 bullet that would have actually passed very slightly west of the retaining wall corner) From ARNOLD's own mouth in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" while he was viewing the MACK-WHITE transparent-oils-colorized, brightness/contrasted MOORMAN enhancement, even ARNOLD stated that in the MACK-WHITE transparent-oils-colorized, brightness/contrasted MOORMAN enhancement that "he" appeared to be LEANING AWAY FROM the, supposed, 130 DECIBELS TO 150 DECIBELS EAR-SHATTERING, "badge man" triggered muzzle blast bullet bow shockwave. (ARNOLD, supposedly, viewed with surprise the transparent-oils-colorized, brightness/contrasted enhanced photo for the first time, even though it had been only 6 years at that 1988 "The Men Who Killed Kennedy"-point since ARNOLD had been told by GARY MACK in 1982 that ARNOLD may be seen in a photo), In my decades of military experience, myself, and the vast majority of persons, almost always move AWAY from a 130 decibels to 150 decibels ear-shattering muzzle blast/bullet bow shockwave.... ESPECIALLY, if the blast/shockwave is completely unexpected. 3-5 seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... ARNOLD claimed there was another shot , or, seemed as if another shot  fired while he was still laying on the ground. 6-8 seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... standing DPD-uniformed "badge man accomplice" (BMA) leaps/shimmy's straight towards ARNOLD over the 5' high picket fence (where does the second "badge man" accomplice, the "construction hatted man accomplice"....CHMA.... supposedly, seen in the MACK-WHITE transparent-oils-colorized, brightness/contrasted MOORMAN-enhancement, escape towards?) QUESTION: did the CHMA stay behind to retrieve BM's ejected shell casing while BMA & BM leap/shimmy/run-around-north-end of the picket fence to approach ARNOLD, or, Did BMA retrieve BM's ejected shell casing before his leap/shimmy/run-around-north-end of the picket fence to approach ARNOLD, or, Did the weapon have an ejected shell casing canister that prevented the spent shell from being ejected onto the ground (a canister that ARNOLD never noticed and never described, although in 1988 he did illustrate the weapon as looking "big around"), or, Did BM simply not eject the shell casing? *NOTE: WOULD BMA HAVE immediately HEADED TOWARDS ARNOLD IF THE BLACK MAN & WOMAN WHOM SITZMAN SAW ON THE RETAINING WALL BENCH WERE STILL REMAINING VISIBLE TO BMA IN HIS IMMEDIATE, NEARBY AREA? If BMA waited for them to leave, this adds several, and perhaps, many more seconds to all of the concurrent encounter-actions timestamps. INTERESTING NOTE: in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" ARNOLD said "the gentleman came from around here" pointing behind himself (northwest), to his left, rear side, pointing towards the north-south fence-line of the picket fence that runs north from the picket fence corner. **NOTE: VERY IMPORTANTLY, IF BMA DID NOT IMMEDIATELY LEAP/SHIMMY OVER THE 5' HIGH-ON-PARKING-LOT-SIDE OF THE PICKET FENCE (4'10" on "grassy knoll" side of fence), BUT, INSTEAD, WALKED/TROTTED THE REQUISITE LONGER ROUTE 20' NORTH, THEN TURNED AROUND THE PICKET FENCE END, THEN WALKED/TROTTED 40' BACK TO ARNOLD, NOW, SUPPOSEDLY, LYING ON THE GROUND, IT WOULD HAVE CONSUMED MUCH MORE TIME…. REALISTICALLY, UP TO 10 SECONDS MORE TIME AT 4.1 m.p.h. (**if BMA took the longer route the cumulative maximum action timestamped seconds after ARNOLD's eardrum-bursting shot are indicated in parentheses along with any concurrent BOND photo captured at that longer route action timestamp 5 to 10 second interval) 9-12* seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... (or 22 seconds**).. Standing BMA traverses about 20' and approaches ARNOLD if BMA took the longer route, BOND #4 would have been captured while BMA was standing and walking/trotting towards ARNOLD. (Nothing/no one, other than the bottle, is seen standing near retaining wall/picket fence west side in BOND #4) Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? 13-15* seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... (or 25 seconds**)... BMA, standing, asks ARNOLD if he was filming [1, 2] (Nothing/no one, other than the bottle, is seen standing near retaining wall/picket fence west side in BOND #5) Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? 16-18* seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... (or 28 seconds**).. ARNOLD tells standing BMA to "Go jump in the river"  Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? 19-21* seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... (or 31 seconds**).. ARNOLD affirms to standing BMA he was filming [1, 2] Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? 22-24* seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... (or 34 seconds**).. Standing BMA kicks  ARNOLD and demands film [1, 2].... ARNOLD notices a second, standing, armed uniformed man, who is crying , who is also now standing close by [1, 2], and, in ARNOLD's words, "waving" a weapon. [1, 2] Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? 25-30* seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... (or 40 seconds**) ARNOLD sits upright some, (or stands up), then moves his mother's movie camera to a relatively level position in front of himself, then unlocks the film compartment hatch, then starts to unlock/release the film from the camera guts film spool retaining mechanisms. (All of which mandates even more consumed time to complete) (Nothing/no one, other than the bottle, is seen standing near retaining wall/picket fence west side in BOND #6, nor #8) Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? ***NOTE: IF THE FILM LOADED INSIDE THE MOVIE CAMERA WAS NOT COMPLETELY EXPOSED-THROUGH AND TAKEN UP COMPLETELY ONTO THE FILM SPOOL, THERE WOULD HAVE, ABSOLUTELY, BEEN A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL TIME REQUIRED FOR ARNOLD TO ACTIVATE A RELEASE MECHANISM, THEN TAKE UP THE BALANCE OF THE UNEXPOSED FILM COMPLETELY ONTO ONLY THE TAKE-UP SPOOL, POSSIBLY AS MUCH AS 10-20 SECONDS MORE CONSUMED TIME DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH OF FILM NEEDED TAKING UP, THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE CAMERA MECHANISMS, ARNOLD's ANXIETY, ETC. To posit that ARNOLD just ripped the film out of the camera is not realistic, IMO, because he would not have done that to his mother's, precious, movie camera to avoid damaging her camera. It is also interesting that just one year later, in 1989, ARNOLD's story had then mutated to then add and claim that the camera fell out of his hands when he dove rightward not into any camera's view; that the ground-laying camera was still running and generally pointed towards either "badge man" or the "badge man accomplice"; and that it was the "badge man accomplice," completely unfamiliar with the film-releasing methodologies and mechanisms who retrieved the movie camera and removed the film (of course, also, leaving behind the "badge man accomplice" fresh fingerprints outside and inside of the movie camera!) 30 seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... BOND #4 (or 40 seconds**=BOND #5 maximum) Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? 31-35*.... ARNOLD detaches film spool from inside movie camera guts. [1, 2] (Nothing/no one, other than the bottle, is seen standing near retaining wall/picket fence west side in BOND #7) Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? 35 seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... BOND #5 minimum (Nothing/no one, other than the bottle, is seen standing near retaining wall/picket fence west side in BOND #5) Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? Please view the following link for a larger view of BOND #5, available here *NOTE* on the BOND slides where one person is seen rising up higher that the mandatory line-of-sight from BOND to the person seen rising up higher intersects directly onto the sitting bench that was located nearly adjacent to the wall "step" located almost midway on the top of the retaining wall. 36-39* seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... (or 49 seconds*****)..ARNOLD removes film spool from movie camera and hands film spool to standing BMA [1, 2] Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? 40 seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... BOND #5 maximum (nothing/no one, other than the bottle, is seen standing near retaining wall/picket fence west side in BOND #5, nor #6) Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? 41-43* seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... (or 53 seconds*****)..Standing BMA takes hold of film spool from ARNOLD, then he and standing BM turn away from ARNOLD and walk northeastward away from him, and ARNOLD leaves the retaining wall area walking northward towards the parking lot, away from Elm Street. [1, 2] Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? ....Which photographers are still photographing when the NEWMAN's were still laying on the ground, and.... how does that match, time wise, with what we see in the photos or film they captured? The WIEGMAN continuously running film is important for many considerations. WIEGMAN first turned towards and captures the NEWMAN's laying protectively over their sons at 26 seconds after the starting filming, and captures them for about 5 seconds. In BOND #4 we can clearly see that WIEGMAN is still filming the NEWMAN's, and the NEWMAN's are still laying protectively over their children (they maintain to this day that the shots they sensed came from behind them --at Z-202 to, even as late as Z-313, we can see that "behind" them is the retaining wall/picket fence/north TOP sewer areas)....so TRASK's estimate of "within 20 seconds" is incorrect by, at least, 6 to 11 seconds. (also remember, WIEGMAN started filming just after "his" 2nd blast or shockwave, about 1 or 2 seconds before "his" 3rd blast or shockwave he remembered hearing) Another of the many keys we can utilize for timestamping is the CHISM's. Near the end of the WIEGMAN film, viewable here, we can, very clearly, see Mrs. CHISM carrying her, big-for-a-3-year-old-compared-to-her, son clutched in her arms (Mr. CHISM comes into view briefly when they both begin to trot westward). Mrs. CHISM is standing in the grass close to the alter-ego pedestal of the "ZAPRUDER-pedestal," just before other photos show the CHISM's trotting westward off the GK grass onto the sidewalk. By BOND #6, Mrs. CHISM is, measurably, 190' away from where we saw her in the WIEGMAN film --halfway between the westernmost last two light poles on the north Elm Street sidewalk-- approaching the TUP with Mr. CHISM. To get an idea of how long it took them from the WIEGMAN film to get to where we see them near the TUP in BOND #6: if Mrs. CHISM continuously trotted at a 4 m.p.h. average while carrying her son (without stopping), it would have taken her 33 seconds to get that far down Elm. After WIEGMAN's filming of the NEWMAN's we can first see the CHISM's start trotting at 32 seconds into the WIEGMAN film (4.5 seconds before the WIEGMAN film ends, which was 30 or 31 seconds after WIEGMAN. heard "his" third audible muzzle blast or mechanically-suppress-fired bullet bow shockwave). Using 4 m.p.h. as Mrs. CHISM's continuous trotting speed timestamps BOND #6 at a minimum of 63 or 64 seconds after the attack ended. (is there any statement(s) or photo evidence that the CHISM's stopped/paused during their trot? If so, a stop, pause, or slowing-down would increase the seconds of the BOND #6 timestamping even longer after the attack) I was checking the photos and thinking about the sequencing of which BOND photos the TOWNER #3 photo falls within. After thinking about it and doing some double-checking, I think that CUTLER was correct. TOWNER #3 was, indeed, captured between BOND #6 and #7.... Looking first at the BOND #6 photo, viewable here.... ....To start off, the 2 men that are each labeled with a yellow "x" are two of the three men that we saw in MOORMAN, NIX, MUCHMORE standing half-way up the pergola steps during the attack. (one of these men is Plaza of Dealey groundskeeper, EMMETT HUDSON who initially warrenatti-testified that not only did some shots originate from behind him and pass over/near him, but that he, like several other key and/or close attack witnesses, also heard a distinctly separate shot noticeably AFTER he saw President KENNEDY's head initially rupture and explode) ....Importantly, take note of the dark-complected, beret-hatted, light-color-jacketed man whom some call "the accomplice" (TA), who is walking west down the Elm Street north sidewalk, at a point location approximately 6'/7' west of the street light pole that obscured President KENNEDY's head at Z-272. ....A light-colored-clothing man (#3) near the dark-suited man (#2), both in the GK grass, is heading upward towards the picket fence corner area, ....Let's also consider the dark-suited-hatted-man (#4), who is standing at the bottom of the pergola steps while he is looking towards, at least, nine persons already running westward along the picket fence towards the north vertical double sewer located where the far-west picket fence end point adjoins to the cement TOP. ....Note that in BOND #6 the "running suited man" (RSM), who first appears in this three photo study in TOWNER #3, is, probably, somewhere just outside the right side vertical photo frame of BOND #6, probably, running westward towards the picket fence corner area. ....We can also see the "shelter man" (SM), who appears to be, from BOND's line-of-sight, "above" the pythacantha bush. ....We can also just barely see the head of one person (#1), (not two or three persons, supposedly, of ARNOLD's claimed encounter), and that one person is very close, and probably 1' or 2' south of, the retaining wall sitting bench which was located 10' to the LEFT of a, supposed, MACK-WHITE transparent-oils-colorized & brightness/contrast enhanced version MOORMAN #5 "badge man" Z-313 bullet trajectory that a, supposed, GORDON ARNOLD, supposedly, was standing to the RIGHT of. (if you save these photos, besides color/contrast/brightness/gamma and other filter enhancements, you can also invert the shades of a photo, which will, oftentimes, also resolve even more for your viewing persons located within dark tree shadows) Now, viewing the TOWNER #3 photo, (TOWNER has moved from the Houston/Elm southwest corner curve, westward, into the "north infield grass", and is near where the black man wearing the apron --labeled "AM" on my DP map-- had been applauding as the President entered the kill zone and the attack started) We can see that since BOND #6.... ....the two "x" men are still near their same attack location/BOND #6 location about half-way up the pergola steps; one of them is now standing up, ....TA has walked about 11' westward on the sidewalk since BOND #6 (if he was steadily walking at 2 m.p.h. --and did not stop/pause-- since BOND #6, then TOWNER #3 was captured 3.75 seconds after BOND #6), ....the RSM running-suited man is now seen in the GK grass, running northwestward towards the picket fence corner, ....the #3 light-colored-clothing man has moved further up the pergola steps and is nearly in line with (from TOWNER's line-of-sight) the one person I yellow labeled #1, (not two or three persons, supposedly, of ARNOLD's claimed encounter), and that one person is STILL close to the retaining wall sitting bench which was located 10' to the LEFT of a, supposed, MACK-WHITE transparent-oils-colorized & brightness/contrast enhanced version MOORMAN #5 "badge man" Z-313 bullet trajectory that a, supposed, GORDON ARNOLD, supposedly, was standing to the RIGHT of, ....Since BOND #6 the #2 dark-suited man has also moved up the pergola steps and is just passing the south leg of the retaining wall, ....Since BOND #6 the #4 dark-suited-hatted-man has moved about half-way up the pergola steps, headed for the picket fence corner area, ....We can also still see --and see more of-- the SM shelter man, who, probably, is standing on the shelter-steps 2' high west wall Moving forward in time to BOND #7, viewable here.... ....the two "x" men are still near their attack location, about half-way up the pergola steps; the standing "x" man appears to be watching the group of persons still running westward along the picket fence towards the north vertical double sewer located where the far-west picket fence end point adjoins to the cement TOP. ....TA has walked even further westward down the sidewalk since TOWNER #3, and is now some 29' from where we saw him in BOND #6 (if he was steadily walking at 2 m.p.h. and did not stop/pause after BOND #6, then BOND #7 was captured 9.89 seconds after BOND #6), ....Since TOWNER #3 the RSM running-suited man has run more westward up the retaining wall south face grass slope, and is very close to the retaining wall, reaching with his right hand to grab the edge of the wall, ....#3 light-colored-clothing man is no where to be seen when BOND #7 is studied in normal shades and inverted shades. I can only theorize that he is out of sight from BOND's camera when he either moved around the northwest side of the pergola shelter, maybe, headed for the TSBD parking lot, or, he went into the shelter, (I seem to recall ZAPRUDER &/or SITZMAN saying they were joined by someone(s) other than the HESTER's) or, he fell down somewhere below the 3.3' high retaining wall since we last saw him in TOWNER #3 on the shelter sidewalk, ....#2 dark-suited man can barely be seen using inverted shades and has moved further northward on the shelter sidewalk, towards the shelter, ....#4 dark-suited-hatted-man has moved further north up the pergola steps and is on the shelter sidewalk, or near the picket fence (he is hard to distinguish), just north of the south face of the retaining wall, ....We can also see the "shelter man" (SM) still appears to be (from BOND's line-of-sight) "above" the pythacantha bush. ....We can also see that there is still only one person (#1) (not the two or three persons, supposedly, of ARNOLD's claimed encounter), and that one person has raised his/her head slightly higher and southward since BOND #6, yet this one person is STILL very close, probably now 3' or 4' south of, the retaining wall sitting bench which was located 10' to the LEFT of a, supposed, MACK-WHITE transparent-oils-colorized & brightness/contrast enhanced version MOORMAN #5 "badge man" Z-313 bullet trajectory that a, supposed, GORDON ARNOLD, supposedly, was standing to the RIGHT of. In summation, BOND #6 calculates to actually have been captured, at a minimum, 63/64 seconds after the attack ended TOWNER #3 was captured, at a minimum, between BOND # 6 & BOND #7, 67/68 seconds after the attack ended BOND #7 was captured, at a minimum, 73/74 seconds after the attack ended. 63 seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... BOND #6 (nothing/no one, other than the bottle, is seen standing near retaining wall/picket fence west side in BOND #8) Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? 73 seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... BOND #7 (nothing/no one, other than the bottle, is seen standing near retaining wall/picket fence west side in BOND #7) Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? Please see the following active link for the larger view of BOND #7. *NOTE* that the person near/sitting on the retaining wall sitting bench has raised up slightly in the seconds since BOND #5 78 seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... BOND #8 minimum (nothing/no one, other than the bottle, is seen standing near retaining wall/picket fence west side in BOND #9) Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? 83 seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... BOND #8 maximum, BOND #9 minimum (nothing/no one, other than the bottle, is seen standing near retaining wall/picket fence west side in BOND #7) Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? 88 seconds after bullet, supposedly, passed ARNOLD's left side.... BOND #9 maximum (nothing/no one, other than the bottle, is seen standing near retaining wall/picket fence west side in BOND #8) Are the, supposed, BM & BMA still standing? By my conservative calculations for the required, minimum amount of time necessary from ARNOLD's "eardrum-bursting" shot, to consume just the actions ARNOLD described, the, supposed, "Arnold" + "badge man accomplice" + "badge man" encounter lasted, at least, 61 seconds, and as much as 73 seconds, minimum, if BMA had to run around the north end of the picket fence as ARNOLD claimed (instead of shimmying over it), and, if it took additional time to wind ARNOLD's, supposed, film onto the spool of his Mother's precious camera. Additionally, if the BMA waited for the black man and woman to run from the immediate area, then it took even more seconds, possibly up to 20 seconds more, putting the, supposed, encounter end at 93 seconds after the shot that, supposedly, passed close to "Arnold's" left ear.... Since the BOND photos (and other film evidence) cover the retaining wall area during this 61 to 73 to 93 seconds time it took minimum for ARNOLD's, supposed, encounter, yet, neither the BOND photos, nor any other film evidence, nor a single witness support a 2 or 3 standing persons encounter (with 2 of them exposing weapons), the only logical conclusion is that there is zero support for ARNOLD's encounter claims, and his encounter claims are, most-likely false. ...Which raises another important consideration... ....In photo enhancements we can see what appears to be one person near/sitting on the retaining wall bench that has his/her head higher in BOND #7 than BOND #5. We know from the above timeline that BOND #5 was captured sometime around 35 to 40 seconds after the attack ended. Based on the BOND #5 timestamping, does anyone care to theorize the implications this person's near-the-retaining-wall-bench image has relative to the evidence and witnesses' statements? Does anyone have any other enhancements of the retaining wall area taken during the immediate, minimum 61 to 73 to 93 seconds after the attack that support a multiple, standing persons close encounter altercation? Some of the STOUGHTON, WILLIS, etc. post-attack photos may also provide additional timestamping of the GK/retaining wall areas around the same time as the BOND slides, and add to the overall fluidity of events captured on film. Clear MUCHMORE, NIX, BELL, etc. movie frames may also help. With respect to the NIX film, here is a zoomed in crop from the NIX film that the few "Arnold-dove-away-from-a-bullet-passing-on-his-left" theorizers and/or "Arnold-was-'black dog man'" theorizers are afraid to address, and are avoiding like the plague. Please see the above active link for the larger professionally surveyed and scaled diagram of the above NIX film frame crop that details NIX's line-of-sight to the retaining wall southeast corner that only a few claim shows a person nearly directly in line with the retaining wall southeast corner. In the future I will be presenting an addendum for this study detailing the ability, or inability, of a 5.8' tall person ("Arnold") and his, claimed, minimum mandatory movements to be seen when that 5.8' person was behind a 3.3' wall as viewed by a motorcade participant (YARBOROUGH) from within the confines of an Elm Street automobile that had certain obstruction viewing restrictions, and, also contained other passengers and a driver, from specific street points, and, specific measured elevations. Additionally, on June 6, 1989 ARNOLD was videotaped in an "oral history" interview administered by CONOVER HUNT for the "Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza." In 2004 the written transcript of that interview was revised and released for the non-museum attending public (but not yet available online the internet). Additional information quotes by ARNOLD are detailed here in my research article, "Additional Claims about the Knoll-Wall." ARNOLD's 1989 claims will eventually be incorporated into this study. FOOTNOTES (1) GORDON ARNOLD: "'The next thing I knew someone was kicking my butt and telling me to get up,' Arnold said, 'It was a policeman. And I told him to go jump in the river. And then this other guy - a policeman - comes up with a shotgun and he was crying and that thing was waving back and forth." ("Dallas Morning News," August 27, 1978, under the caption, "SS Impostors Spotted by JFK Witness," by reporter Earl Golz.) Please feel free to email for a complete transcript of the entire article and the article photograph of ARNOLD standing on the "grassy knoll," but close to the picket fence corner. **NOTE** that ARNOLD is specifically claiming there were two separate DPD-uniformed policemen confronted him. (2) GORDON ARNOLD "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" video documentary by NIGEL TURNER, 1988. Interesting that a man who may have been U.S. Army infantry trained described (Described in 1978, that is) the "badge man" weapon as a "shotgun." What is implausible, imo, is that an assassin would be "waving back and forth" the weapon, in a high probability of attracting attention to himself and the weapon, after he had just used the weapon to fire at the President. Not even one single witness has ever stated he/she saw a DPD uniformed person (or any person), much less TWO men in DPD uniforms, one of which was "waving back and forth" a rifle/shotgun around, FOR ALL WITNESSES TO SEE AND OBSERVE CLOSER, and, of course, not one single piece of photographic evidence supports a rifle/shotgun "waving back and forth", anywhere, anytime, near the knoll/wall/fence afterward. Please feel free to email for a complete transcript of the entire ARNOLD comments and video captures of ARNOLD standing on the "grassy knoll," but, now, much farther away from the picket fence corner. (3) RALPH YARBOROUGH "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" video documentary by NIGEL TURNER, 1988 "During that shooting, my eye was attracted to the right. I saw movement and I saw a man just jump about 10 feet, like the old time flying tackle in football, and land against a wall. I thought to myself, 'There's an infantryman who's either been shot at in combat, or, he's been trained thoroughly. The minute you hear fire, you get under cover'" Please feel free to email for a complete transcript of all YARBOROUGH comments. **NOTE** that YARBOROUGH has never said he saw a man wearing a military uniform. (4) DAVE REITZES, "Nowhere Man: The Strange Story of Gordon Arnold" Best Regards in Research, + ++Don Donald Roberdeau United States Navy U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges clearly For your key considerations + independent determinations.... 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.... N E W .... GORDON ARNOLD - Additional Claims about the Knoll-Wall Good Day.... The following are just a portion of the 16-page transcript quotes of a forty-five minute interview of self-claimed Dealey Plaza witness, Gordon Leslie Arnold, that was administered June 6, 1989 by interviewer Conover Hunt for the "Oral History Collection" done at "The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza." Isn't it amazing how, no matter which side of the "picket fence" you are on with respect to what you think about Arnold's claims, that the mere mention of his name sometimes --much more often with a few persons, than others-- can be enough to get one's self feeling (hopefully temporarily) just -- a --- bit ---- anxious. The transcript is annotated that it was originally transcribed by Stephen Fagin, November 2003, then, the transcript was revised by Stephen Fagin and Gary Mack in "January/February 2004". What follows are just some of the 6-6-89 additional claims and/or additional details that Arnold made to Hunt in 1989 (after Arnold's "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" 1988 shown interview had already been filmed and aired) that have not been previously publicized in any other newspaper article, documentary, or book. (in transcript-quoted, transcript-chronological order) Arnold claims, "And on that particular morning, I was going to be going to Fort Wainwright, Alaska, the following week, and my parents had bought me a brand new, modern camera to make movies with" Please recall that in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" documentary that Arnold stated, matter-of-factly (a couple times), that the movie camera belonged to his Mother, and, he claimed, because it was sentimentally his Mother's that was the reason he initially did not want to give up the entire camera to the, supposed, "badgeman" that he claimed kicked him a couple times. In this 1989 "SFM" interview Arnold claims he parked, "on the other side of the tower," "before noon time." Arnold claims he went to Dealey Plaza because while driving he noticed the people lined-up and he wanted to test the new movie camera. He claims he did not know anything about the presidential motorcade, "because in the military training that we had, we weren't allowed to read newspapers, listen to radios, nothing like that." (which, in my military experience, was true only for recruit training "boot camp," but was not true for any advanced special training after boot camp) Arnold claimed on 11-22-63 he had been in the United States Army, "approximately nine months," and that during his three years of service he, "was in a special unit." (but he never details which "special unit") Arnold claimed the first encounter with the, supposed, "agent" occurred "down to the very corner where there's a… a drainage ditch" ....probably meaning the vertical sewer at the junction point where the west end of the north stockade picket fence adjoins the north end of the triple overpass bridge. Please recall how in 1988's "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" where he was first filmed stradling, was filmed noticeably far away from the picket fence, and, the vertical sewer does not even appear in the background. (in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he does mention that the agent first approached him from around up off the north side of the triple overpass bridge) Arnold claimed he, "weighed 175 pounds," and, "I was nothing but muscle." Does the, supposed, "Arnold" image "seen" in MOORMAN #5 polaroid photo enhancements appear to to you to be "nothing but muscle", or, does the, supposed, 5.8' tall "Arnold" image appear to you to have a somewhat noticeable "gutt"?; a gutt "seen" from a lower MOORMAN position, rising above above a 3.3' tall wall. Arnold claimed the, "agent" told Arnold that the agent, "was with either the CIA or Secret Service." When the "agent," supposedly, encountered Arnold again and told Arnold, again, to leave the area, Arnold claimed he thought or said aloud, "Well, horse rots" and then (probably thought to himself) "I'll just go around it and get on the other side of the fence. You know, I'm away from his territory. I'm in mine now. I get on the other side, and man, everybody's in good positions to take pictures but ole' Gordon here, so… (chuckling) So, the big problem was… is that there use to be a directional identification billboard out here. And it was just past the lampost." Arnold claimed, "at that point in time they were putting dirt on the knoll. There was a mound of dirt. And I said, 'Well, I'll stand on the mound of dirt.' And I was doing some practice pan shots" The ground between the retaining wall and the picket fence line may, or may not, have then had a thinnish layer of dirt on its top in that area, possibly even a grass-people-traffic-worn-showing dirt top, but, there are no photos, no film evidence, nor a single witness(es) statement(s) that there was ever an obvious, distinct, raised, rounded, "mound of dirt" --anywhere-- in that knoll/wall area. Professional surveys from the trapezoid points between the "badgeman" tree, picket fence corner, retaining wall southeast inside corner, and the northernmost wall corner (along with my several personal extended trip/vacations I have made to the plaza in the 80's and 90's) all reveal that trapezoid that ARNOLD claimed he was within to be relatively level. Conover then asks Arnold where he was standing in relation to the north pergola steps, to which Arnold claims, "OK. OK. The steps would be almost----I would say in front of me, but it's not in front of me because I'm standing askew to the steps----more towards the street than I am the steps." "And I'm up as… I'm about three feet from the fence." Please recall that the 1978 "Dallas Morning News" photo that shows Arnold standing noticeably much closer to the picket fence than the retaining wall that he stood closer to by 1988's "The Men Who Killed Kennedy." Conover then asks, "Between the steps and the fence?," to which Arnold replies, "Yes." *NOTE* that Arnold claims he was BETWEEN the steps and fence --in other words, he is specifically claiming he was specifically in the grass between the fence and the steps-- but he was not on the grass between the east edge of the sidewalk and the west edge of the retaining wall, he was not on the sitting bench, he was not on the west edge of the steps, he was not on the east edge of the steps, he was not on the steps or the top step, he was not on the pergola sidewalk, he was not on the west edge of the sidewalk, and, he was not on the east edge of the sidewalk. Based on the physical layout of the steps/retaining wall/picket fence corner I cannot visualize his above strange, imho, concurrent added claim that he was also "more towards the street than I am the steps." (perhaps he was trying to vocalize that his claim was that his facing direction --not his standing location-- was facing turned "more towards the street"?) Conover then asks, "So, the steps were east of you?" to which Arnold replies, "Right." (So, he has already said he was 3' from the picket fence, and the pergola steps, not the pergola sidewalk, are east of his standing location point) Arnold then claims he, "still didn't know what was happening until, well, the motorcade came around the corner…" (yet, he also claimed he had been there since just before noon. He claims he has been there 30+ minutes before the attack, so, is it logical to you that in that 30+ minutes before the attack that he, never once, reasoned just why so many people were pouring out of the buildings and gathering together, and/or, he never once even took just a few short seconds to casually ask someone --anyone-- just what was going on? Exactly WHAT did Arnold imagine/think the C.I.A. "agent" --or was it a secret service "agent"-- was doing there, anyway?) Arnold goes on, "And I said, 'Well, that looks like the presidential flag.' And I still really wasn't convinced, but I put the camera up, had it all wound up, and just as the nose of the car started to come into the… into my viewfinder, I pulled the little switch on it. And just as I started to pan and I was almost parallel to the street is when the… I want to say noise. It's not a noise. You feel something go past you, and then you… it's almost instantaneous. You'll hear a noise following behind it, and to me, I knew I was dead because that was a bullet that just went over me. And it's not a span of time that this occurred in. This happened, what I'm telling you, is all in one sequence because when the shot went past my ear, I was automatically falling. And when I was falling, I was still taking... The camera was still rolling. And I could see the president's head go back. Now that's the last that I remember being on the camera, but when I went down, I literally went down and when you're… you're taught to roll…" "…to get down as deep as you can and away from the line of fire. And I would say that another shot went over my… the position that I was in, but the… when that occurred, I was down. I had my face… I had rolled over once, and my face was now down. By now, the camera had quit running by this point in time. OK. At that… it seemed like eons, but it's not. A short period of time after that, somebody kicked me in the derrier, and now, I'm not in the mood to be kicked to begin with. And I was upset because I knew the president had been killed, and I turned over and I was ready to hit somebody. And I was facing a large bore weapon, and the man was crying." Conover asks, "What do you mean by a large bore weapon?" to which Arnold claims, "Like a shotgun…" "… but it looked… it was big enough for a truck to drive through." So, Arnold is claiming one shot was fired while Arnold was standing only 3' from the picket fence with the pergola steps in front of him, and Arnold first instinctively reacted to a bullet going over him. He implies that he rolled over one complete revolution, and since we know that no one is seen in photo nor films just west of the retaining wall --near that 3' from the picket fence Arnold claims-- he is clearly implying that he had to have rolled somewhere east or northeastward out of sight of all cameras --and towards the eardrum busting, very close bullet that he claimed in 1978 and 1988 passed very close to his left ear. *NOTE* that here Arnold said a bullet went over him but does not say --as he did in 1978 and 1988-- that a bullet went past his left ear. Also note that in 1978 Arnold claimed he was kicked not by the "badgeman," but rather by a "badgeman accomplice" also dressed in a D.P.D. uniform (in 1978 the *first* D.P.D. uniformed "badgeman accomplice" had the additional Arnold claim that "badgeman accomplice" was also wielding a visible, drawn, held revolver), but by 1989, Arnold has now mutated his claim to the "badgeman" himself was now the only kicker ---while he is holding that waving, large bore, shotgun-like weapon. When asked how far away from him the "badgeman" was, Arnold claims, "He was just out of arm reach, down to the barrel" and, "He was between me and the fence." After Conover asks if Arnold saw from where the "badgeman" came from, Arnold claims, "No, not where he came from, but now, people were moving at that point in time. Some were running away from where I was at. Some were running up the hill. What I couldn't understand is, he took the film out of the camera, pitched the camera back to me, and then he came back towards the… along the fence line towards the parking area," and yet, not one single witness, nor one single photo/film confirms an armed, crying D.P.D.-uniformed assassin kicking anyone and waving a large weapon around for all these persons that Arnold, by his own 1989 claims, said were now "running up the hill" past the, supposed encounter only a few yards away. *NOTE* that Arnold never once mentions a second D.P.D.-uniformed "badgeman accomplice" in his 1989 claims, even though he detailed a second D.P.D.-uniformed "badgeman accomplice" carrying a revolver --and who did the kicking-- in his 1978 claims. And here's one of the 1989 Arnold claims that REALLY caught my attention. A claim that I have never in 29+ years ever heard a single researcher ----including the "badgeman" founders---- ever mention, much less, provide the details of for us, nor has it ever appeared in ANY photo enhancement: "He had a… it looked like a Dallas Police officer's uniform, and he was a white male. He had… oh, back in those days, it's what they use to call shooter's glasses. Oh remember the… it was like a yellow tint to the glasses. It kept the glare off your eyes." I can just visualize the MOORMAN photo enhancer-artists that also think that "Arnold" is "seen" in MOORMAN now scrambling and having to alter their black and white and water-colorized enhancements to match this additional, "important" claim by Arnold to now "show" the, supposed, "badgeman" glasses with yellow-tinted lenses, and don't forget to add-in the glasses frame of these, "shooters glasses," and remember to trim "Arnold's" gutt to appear as, "nothing but muscle." During the experiences of war, in hunting, for target-practice, and when trap and skeet shooting, most persons still do call them "shooter's glasses," Gord-ee-oh. Arnold claims the "badgeman" was in his, "late-twenties, early thirties," had dark hair, "was not fat," "was stocky," "had a ruddy complexion," and was, "a little bit taller than I was" (Arnold states he was 5' 10.5" tall, = 5.87') The, supposed, badgeman, Arnold goes on to claim, "had dirty fingernails" that Arnold claimed he noticed while he was watching the "badgeman" trigger finger during the, supposed, encounter. Of the encounter, and "badgeman" during the encounter, Arnold claimed, "And with him shaking like that, it was going back and forth, and it just shook me up." "He had tears coming down his eyes, but he… when I left here, I got to my car as fast as I could." Arnold goes on to claim that he told his girlfriend-later-his-wife, "Now, I explained to her what had occurred, and I had explained to my parents what had occurred" and after he left Dallas to travel to Alaska, he stopped-over in Seattle and "explained to the officer-of-the-day where we were being billeted what I had seen." Arnold further claims, "The… my son and daughter now know about it." Then this strange exchange: Arnold: Well, I went into the service… Conover: What year? Arnold: …in '66. I say "strange" because earlier in his claims in this same 1989 interview Arnold stated that he started serving in the U.S. Army in 1963 (possibly, that is a transcription error?) Arnold then claims that while serving on a court trial jury he told a fellow University of Texas at Arlington student who was researching the assassination the "true" story of what happened --according to Arnold. Arnold claims he took this UTA student to the "grassy knoll" and that the student took a photo of Arnold standing on the "grassy knoll" Arnold goes on to describe how Nigel Turner found Arnold, "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" filming, etc. Of the "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" segment where Arnold, supposedly for the first time, views the enhanced "badgeman" image after flipping up the piece of cardboard, Arnold claims that "badgeman" was Lucien Sarti when Arnold elaborates to Conover after Conover asked what the assassin looked like, "And… well, if you have the tape, he's in the tape." (unless Arnold is saying the assassin was someone else who appeared in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy") I guess the Frenchman, Sarti, did not speak with a, noticeably, French accent when he spoke to Arnold, aye? If I recall correctly, Gary Mack once emailed me and said that "The Men Who Killed Kennedy"/Steve Revile French-Corsican-mafia-were-the-assassins-theory was "nonsense." Arnold further describes how he was shown several mugshot-type photos by Turner or a Turner assistant, and after about 30 seconds he was "semi-sure" he identified one of them as being the third assassin team member (or second assassin team member, depending on which year version of Arnold's claims he was claiming to Turner) -- the "hard-hat badgeman accomplice" that is, supposedly, "seen" in the MOORMAN polaroid enhancements. (I wonder why this important identification of the "hard-hat badgeman accomplice" was not filmed, or, if filmed, why it was also not shown in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy"?) About how long the encounter with the, supposed, "badgeman" lasted, Arnold further claims, "That lapse of time that you're talking about, and I… I… It would be no more than thirty seconds because, in all honesty at that point in time, there was a lot of police officers up or coming up the hill or were on the knoll." Please read my study, "The WILMA BOND Photos Do Not Timestamp ARNOLD's Presence Anywhere on the Grassy Knoll" linked to below. Incredibly, Arnold goes on to mutate his story, temporarily, within this very same 1989 interview when he goes on to claim to Conover Hunt, "And believe it or not, I say there was four or five shots fired. I know there was two fired over me, but now the… the problem with this particular area is that you've got reports going off between buildings." Conover asks, "So, you were aware of shots being fired before the ones came over your head?" to which Arnold claims, "To be honest with you, no." Arnold claims he never heard anyone talking from behind his, supposed, filming/standing location. Arnold again claims how the highway sign blocked his camera filming view just before the attack started, and how Arnold had his body parallel to the street direction when "his" first shot went over him (or, was it to the left of him?). But, in utilizing and calculating on a professional surveyed map from the area where "Arnold", supposedly, stood during the attack --from the intersection point of the Z-202 "black dog man" mandatory line-of-sight with the Z-315.6 MOORMAN mandatory line-of-sight for the "Arnold" image, or, from that BDM Z-202 line-of-sight 3' from the picket fence, or, from the Z-315.6 MOORMAN mandatory line-of-sight for the "Arnold" image at 3' from the picket fence-- the highway sign (presumably, the "Stemmons" sign) would horizontally block President Kennedy from Arnold's view from before Z-133 (on the left north edge of the sign), through only about Z-160 to 175 (when the president would have emerged from the right south edge of the sign) Also, please recall that Gary Mack has stated that Arnold claimed to Gary in 1982 that Arnold starting walking forward towards the retaining wall (southeastward), from a grass point nearer to the "badgeman" tree, just as the limousine entered Elm Street, and while Arnold --as Arnold claims-- was panning his camera around in practice. Arnold claimed he was walking southeastward, with his (or did it belong to his Mother?) new-to-the-touch/unfamiliar-with-all-mechanisms-feeling movie camera, raised up to his eye, panning the camera around in arcs, walking towards an imminent crest/drop-off of a "grassy knoll" hill that surrounds the steps top, and/or, bumping into the retaining wall, and/or, tripping on the straight-edge of the pergola sidewalk, and/or, and/or bumping into whomever spilled the red drink onto the east sidewalk edge, and/or tripping-down-into-MOORMAN's-view because he did not see the top pergola step, and/or, all the while, walking up onto then standing upon a raised mound of dirt that no other witness that went up there has ever spoken of, that no one captured in any photos/films, nor is documented by a single professional surveyor on any of the professional land survey maps and professional plats performed in 1963/1964. Arnold further claims the movie camera film was color, 8mm, brand "Kodak" (but he gives no "Kodak" specific film type), and admits he, "was concentrating more on the… on the camera and the---what I keep saying---stupid people in front of me because I couldn't get up to where I could see what was going on." "And I rolled, and when I rolled, the camera was still running. So, it would have taken a picture of the fence…" "…and anything behind it." Ahhhh-hah !!.... Now we know why the, supposed, "badgeman" wanted to get "Arnold's" film.... .... "badgeman" saw the camera, and/or saw the camera laying on the ground facing him and the "badgeman" thought he may have been exposed on film.... .... But wait.... .... Why did the "badgeman," completely illogically, give the movie camera BACK to Arnold?!!? ----you know, so Arnold could keep safe the same movie camera that, most likely, now also had "badgeman's" fresh fingerprints well preserved for the authorities to find on the movie camera's outside AND on the inside the movie camera???? Maybe it was just that the "badgeman" already knew beforehand that he, or any of the other conspirators, did not need to ever worry about any serious investigation by the "authorities." With some of these additional claims that Arnold "illuminated" and ruminated about during his 1989 "SFM" interview, you can count on that I will be updating my research study, "The WILMA BOND Photos Do Not Timestamp ARNOLD's Presence Anywhere on the Grassy Knoll," currently available for all, here .... http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14115&st=0#entry163847 Best Regards in Research, Don Donald Roberdeau U.S.S. John F. 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