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Listed below are witnesses who said something different than the official story. The last category is just a sample of the witnesses who said something about the intersection of Elm and Houston streets and in front of the TSBD. See the larger list for more. (100+ witnesses) Witnesses who saw or heard shooting on Main Street 1. Alan Smith- Chicago Tribune article 11 23 63- He claimed he saw the shooting of the President close up at 10 feet away from the shooting on Main Street. 2. Rose Clark- FBI Report- 1 10 64- She was with Jeanette Hooker and Lillian Mooneyham. They were in Judge Henry King’s court room when the motorcade came down Main Street. She heard 3 shots. To see the parade come down Main Street King’s court room must be on the south side. There is a confusion on which court room faces south and where one an watch the parade come down Main Street. 3. Jeanette E. Hooker- 1-8-64- estimated that the presidential limousine was almost to the R L Thornton sign when she heard 3 shots. Almost to the R L Thornton sign means in front of the SW corner of the TSBD 4. Lilian Mooneyham- FBI Report 1 10 64- Mooneyham’s location was confused by either a confused FBI agent or her location was obscured intentionally. Rose Clark said you could see Main Street from Judge King’s court. She said she was with Hooker and Mooneyham. While watching the parade on Main St. she heard 3 shots. At least Jeanette Hooker’s statement said she watched the parade on Main Street before going to another court room. It is more than likely Clark, Hooker, and Mooneyham were in the same courtroom and heard the same thing while the motorcade was on Main Street. 5. Cecil Ault- 11-22-63 FBI report- Watched the parade on Main Street from Judge King’s Court. Then he saw this from Judge King’s room, after the president’s car turned down onto Elm Street he heard 3 loud reports which he immediately recognize as shots from a high powered rifle. The intersection or in front of the TSBD. Judge King’s court room faces south on Main and one cannot see Houston or Elm. You have to move to a room on the west side to see that. Main and Houston Intersection: 1. Jack Faulkner- Sheriff’s Office 11 22 63- He said he was on the corner of Main and Houston. The motorcade passed and a few seconds later he heard 3 shots. Depending on how many seconds this is probably Houston Street or at least in front of the TSBD. Shooting on Houston Street or at the intersection of Elm and Houston. 2. Marie Muchmore- FBI 12 4 63- was standing on the corner of Houston when the motorcade passed by she heard the first shot. 3. Bonnie Ray Williams- Sheriff’s Office on 11-22-63- first said he heard shot when the presidential limo turned onto Houston. Later, he changed that to a turn onto Elm St. and then later changed that. 4. John J. Solon- FBI report 1 8 64. He said he was standing in front of the Old Court House at the intersection of Main and Houston. He said the p. limo slowed down to turn unto Houston street and “and a few moments later, he heard 3 shots…”. How long is a few moments? 5. W. H. Denham- DPD statement 11 22 63- Officer Denhan was at the Northeast corner of the intersection of Main and Houston when the motorcade turned onto Houston Street. The p. limo or motorcade was half way past his position when he heard a shot. Shooting occurs in the intersection of Main and Houston. 6. William Downey- FBI 6 15 64- Downey said he stood at the corner of Houston and Main. Shortly thereafter the motorcade passed the corner where he stood he heard 3 shots. How long is shortly thereafter? At 18 feet per second it takes approximately 11 seconds to traverse Houston Street and another 5 or 6 seconds to pass the TSBD. Elm Street and the intersection of Elm and Houston: 1. Garland Slack- Dallas Sheriff 11 22 63- I was standing on Houston Street, just below the window to Sheriff Decker's office waiting for the parade. I was standing there when the President's car passed and just after they rounded the corner from Houston onto Elm Street, I heard a report and I knew at once it was a high-powered rifle shot. 2. Carolyn Walther- The Warren Report Part 1 CBS Television (25th June, 1967)- The President passed us, and he was smiling, and everybody was waving. Then the last of the cars went by, and I heard the shot. I thought it was a firecracker. This more than likely is in front of the TSBD. Carolyn Walther’s statements are included here due to Pearl Springer’s testimony. 3. Pearl Springer- FBI Report 12 5 63- She was on Houston Street 17 steps from the Elm Street curb. She was with Carolyn Walther. As the motorcade passed and turned to go down Elm Street she heard a shot. 4. Arnold Rowland-Sheriff Office statement- 11-22-63- said as the presidential limousine turned west to head down Elm Street he heard a back fire. 5. Danny Arce- 3-18-64 FBI statement- He said he was standing on the grass in front of the TSBD about 30 ft. from where the president was when shots rang out. He said something different in his in his 11-22-63 statement. He was standing on a corner across the street from 411 Elm Street. He said in a 11-22-63 statement at the Sheriff’s Office he was standing on the corner of Elm and Houston. He heard 3 shots ring out. He was standing near the Dal-Tex on Houston- Altgens 6 photo. 6. Bonnie Ray Williams- Sheriff’s Office on 11-22-63- first said he heard shot when the presidential limo turned onto Houston. Later, he changed that to a turn onto Elm St. and then later changed that. 7. James Crawford- Warren Commission Hearing 4 1 64- - It was after the Secret Service Sedan had gone around the corner (the SS vehicle was on the bumper of the p. limo) that I heard the first report and at that time I thought it was a backfire of a car but, in analyzing the situation, it could not have been a backfire of a car because it would have had to have been the President's car or some car in the cavalcade there. The second shot followed some seconds, a little time elapsed after the first one, and followed very quickly by the third one. 8. Mary Ann Mitchell- FBI report January 18, 1964, WC deposition April 1, 1964. said she and her companion heard a shot as the presidential car passed the curb in front of the TSBD. 9. Malcolm Couch gave an eyewitness report on WFAA radio on the day of the assassination: "Just as the President's car turned the corner, I heard a loud shot that sounded like at first a backfire. And then I heard another one. And then finally a third shot. We naturally took this third shot as a rifle shot because we figured by the third shot that this was not a backfire, that it was not a motorcycle backfiring, but it was actually someone taking a crack at the President. Just as our car rounded the corner we saw the President's car speed off." 10. Robert Jackson- Sheriff’s Office 11 23 66- His vehicle was proceeding north on Houston street when “…and the presidential car had already turned left on Elm Street (off Houston Street) and he heard 3 loud reports…” 11. And, many more saying the same thing about the intersection and front of the TSBD. See the longer list for more. (100+ witnesses) Witnesses Who Heard Shooting When The President Was Turning Into the Intersection Or In Front Of The TSBD (best list).docx Witnesses Who Heard Shooting When The President Was Turning Into the Intersection Or In Front Of The TSBD (best list).pdf
+++++"Can You Please Provide Additional Shots-Related Question(s) for a DP Witness ?" (a.k.a. "The Shots-related Questions that Some Folk Chose Not to Ask Witnesses Then, and, the Shots-related Questions that Some Folk are Still Transparently-Afraid to Ask Witnesses Now) Good Day .... I would like to share with you + all of Our great, dedicated 112263 researcher Friends that if + when you have a chance to interview any 112263 witness who was actually in Dealey Plaza (or, within earshot and heard the shots), that with respect to the gunshot audible muzzle blasts and/or bullet bow shock "silenced" N-waves that the DP witness remembered hearing ((((or *could* hear)))), could you, please, Please, PLEASE be sure to ask the DP witness to answer in as much detail all of the following questions, if they can. (Yes, yes, most researchers are aware that witnesses can be incorrect sometimes, butcha' know what?, = most credible researchers also fully acknowledge that witnesses are also correct in their observations ) From the many interviews that we dedicated 112263 researchers, ALL, have watched, listened to, and/or read about, it still sometimes absolutely astounds me how way, Wayyyy too many of these very important questions for each + every DP witness are not asked by the interviewer. (or forgotten to be asked.... and/or.... ((deliberately ?)) never asked) ........ = This is not 'rocket science', My Friend, = Every one of these questions is, imho, a fundamental, critical-to-help-us-ALL question, + all of them should be + must be asked, every time. The following is the attack shots related prepared questions list that I always try + make sure to ask every one of the 46 DP witnesses that I have interviewed. If you can think of any, please provide additional important shots-related question(s). Thank You in advance. ====> During the attack audible gunshot blasts and bullet bow shock waves, exactly where was the witness located in DP? = If you can, have them simply mark their location on a xeroxed DP map if you can provide. = my Free Dealey Plaza Detailed Map is always currently available for you + everyone, here.... http://i.imgur.com/QcAKTOp.gif .... (The Dealey Plaza Detailed Map has been updated with additional evidence's, information's, witnesses + photographer's, etc., ++ and after multiple double-checking's to ensure 100%, precise accuracy, i will be providing the new link for everyone ) ====> What is the DP witness' specific level of prior experience being around weapons when they were fired, and/or, what was their prior number of years experience for actual weapon(s) firing practice? + their skills level? + firing what kind(s) of specific weapon(s)? ====> What did the DP witness first think each blast/shock wave was? .... If he/she recognized any of the blasts/shock waves as being triggered from a weapon, what kind of weapon did they think it was? (hand gun?, rifle?, or a specific type/caliber of handgun or rifle?, etc) ====> The location(s) the blasts/shock waves seemed to originate from? (have them simply mark on a xeroxed DP map if you can provide) ====> Did the blasts/shock waves each sound the same, or different in loudness and/or pitch-tone? (if different as several witnesses have detailed for us, which blast/shock wave within the shots-sequence they could hear sounded the same + which sounded different in loudness and/or pitch-tone?) ====> How many seconds did it take from the 1st blast/shock wave, to the last that they could hear? ====> Were any of the blasts/shock waves bunched closer together than the other blasts/shock waves? ====> Concurrent with a blast/shock wave they could hear, did they see the results of a bullet striking the street, a street curb, the grass, a tree branch, or anywhere else? ====> Could they still actually see JFK himself, and/or, the limo, and/or other limo passengers during the blasts/shock waves? (if so, what was JFK doing just prior to and/or @ the same instant of the first blast/shock wave the witness could hear? How did JFK and/or each limo passenger person physically react to each shot in the shots-sequence?) ====> Relative to DP landmarks and/or the relative distance to the DP witness, where was the limo when the blasts/shock waves started and/or ended? ====> Could they see any other murder-cade limo-trailing, or other car-riding participants during the blasts/shock waves? (if so, how did each participant person physically react to which numbered shot in the shots-sequence?) ====> Relative to DP landmarks and/or the witness, where was that limo-trailing car when the blasts/shock waves started and/or ended? ====> Did he/she see gunsmoke? In what location was the gunsmoke? How long after the last blast/shock wave did they first start to see gunsmoke? For how long did they see gunsmoke? ====> Did he/she smell gunsmoke? How long after the last blast/shock wave did they first start to smell gunsmoke? For how long did they smell gunsmoke? ====> How did the DP witness you are interviewing react right after each of the blasts/shock waves that they could hear? ====> Did the DP witness you are interviewing first look towards a specific location(s) upon hearing or immediately after each of the blasts/shock waves that they could hear? ====> How long after and/or to what location did the DP witness you are interviewing move to after the attack ended, or, did they stay in the same attack location and for how long did they stay there? ====> Was the DP witness also in DP with a Loved One and/or Friend? (Please be sure to also ask for permission for you to speak with the Loved One and/or Friend, and, ask for their contact information) ====> Did the DP witness you are interviewing see how other DP witnesses reacted right after each of the blasts/shock waves that they could hear? ====> How long after and/or where to did these other DP witnesses move to afterward? ====> During the shots and/or afterward did the DP witness see anyone on the ground in DP with a weapon? If so, where was the armed person located and where was the DP witness at that same moment? How far away was the DP witness from the armed person? How long was it after the 1st blast/shock wave that the DP witness could hear did he/she see the armed person? Best Regards in Research, + ++ Don Donald Roberdeau United States Navy U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges clearly For your key considerations + independent determinations.... Homepages Website: "Men of Courage": President Kennedy-elimination Evidence, Witnesses, Photographers, Outstanding Researchers Discoveries, Suspects, + Key Considerations.... http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2009/08/1-men-of-courage-jfk-assassination_09.html The Dealey Plaza Detailed Map: Documented 11-22-63 Victims Precise Locations + Reactions, Evidence, Witnesses Locations, Photographers, Suspected Bullet Trajectories, Outstanding Researchers Discoveries, + Important Information + Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://i.imgur.com/rGmmWxD.gif ( 2012 updated map, + new information.... 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Death of the Lone Gunman Theory and the Zapruder film I went to Dealey Plaza at about the same time I started thinking about the Kennedy assassination. Robert Groden and his crew were set up there about July 17, 2015. Somehow, I got the notion he was responsible for X marks the spot. If not, Robert, I stand corrected and apologize. They were nice people until I screwed up and said I could paint the head wound in the Zapruder film better. That ended the conversation dramatically as the fellow turned and walked away. In recent times, if most people say that the Zapruder film is a hoax then we need to move on to something else. So, what did the witnesses say happened about X marks the spot? I surveyed 50 witnesses who were the closest to the alleged sniper’s nest and those that said they saw something happen in the TSBD on various floors. This is because the Lone Gun Man theorists say that Lee Oswald fired his rifle from the eastern-most window on the 6th floor of the TSBD. And, this is the central core of that theory. A list of these witnesses is at the end of this discussion. Although I do include information on where the shots came from that is not the focus of this survey. Other people have done that. What I was interested in was where the witness was and where the President was when the witness heard shots. I biased he study. The bias is to what the witness said in their first testimony to either the FBI, the Dallas authorities, or the Secret Service. That was preferred over their later testimony. I thought their memories would be the freshest and they would not be as much influenced by others on what they said. I noticed in reading these testimonies that they evolved from November, 1963 to March, 1964. This evolution generally favored the Lone Gun Man theory. A good example is the testimony of Bonnie Ray Williams. First, he said he heard shots when the presidential limousine turned from Main Street onto Houston Street. Second, he changed that to when the limousine turned into the intersection of Elm and Houston. Third, he again changed that to after the limousine passed his position. This seems to have satisfied the FBI. If you were a smart lawyer wouldn’t you like to have this kind of testimony to work with? So, you can redo this survey with later testimony and change the numbers somewhat. There was not any complex statistical methods applied, there was no test of significance, no correlation ratios, or analysis of variance done. What was used is just simple addition and percentages. Here are the results. Where The President Was When Shots Occurred One witness, Bonnie Ray Williams, locates the President at the intersection of Main and Houston Streets turning onto Houston St, when he heard two shots. 24 or nearly half of the 50 witnesses, about 48%, who had been surveyed made statements that located the President turning into the intersection of Elm Street and Houston Street, or in front of the TSBD when shots were heard. In later testimony in their statements some changed their testimony to indicate the President had passed by their location thus indicating he was further down the street towards the Grassy Knoll. 8 witnesses, about 16%, located the President at or near the Grassy Knoll. 11 witnesses, about 22%, did not give enough information to indicate where the President was located when shots were heard. 1 witness located the assassination location as near the Triple Underpass. 5 witnesses, about 10%, didn’t know where the president was when they heard shots. Where The Shots Came From 9 witnesses, 18%, said they did not know where the shots came from. 12 witnesses, 24%, didn’t say where the shots came from. 1 witness, 2%, said they came from up in the air and didn’t know for sure. If you combine the first 3 bullet points you come up with 22 witnesses or 44% didn’t know where the shots came from or didn’t say. 3 witnesses, 6%, said the shots came from the Triple Underpass. 6 witnesses, 12%, said the shots came from the 6th floor of the TSBD. 7 witnesses, 14%, said the shots came from the TSBD. If you combine the last two bullet points on the TSBD then you would have 13 witnesses, 26%, who said shots came from the TSBD. 1 witness, Junior Jarmen on the 5th floor, said he heard shots from low and to the left. 1 witness, Billy Lovelady, heard shots from across the street. 1 witness heard shots from the Court House. 1 witness heard shots from the Court Records building. When you combine the last 4 bullet points of witnesses hearing shots from near Houston Street you have 8%. 1 witness heard shooting in front of the TSBD and thought is was a party celebration. 7 witnesses, 14%, said they heard shooting from the Grassy Knoll. With 48% of the witnesses surveyed saying the shooting began when the President’s limousine turned into the intersection of Elm and Houston or was in front of the TSBD casts reasonable doubt on the Lone Gun Man theory. And, in court in with a jury, if there is reasonable doubt about an event then that event didn’t happen. You can’t use it. So, there goes a good deal of evidence about the Kennedy assassination. Beyond a reasonable doubt is a killer. Because of reasonable doubt you cannot prove that Lee Oswald or anyone fired a rifle from the alleged sniper’s nest. Here’s a brief explanation concerning witnesses closest to the alleged sniper’s nest. There were 3 men on the 5th floor of the TBSD when the assassination occurred. They were just below the sniper’s nest. They are: Harold Norman- testified in detail about shooting from the sniper’s nest Bonnie Ray Williams- said essentially the same as Norman but in less detail James “Junior” Jarmen- said in his Warren Commission testimony he heard shots from low and to the left. What’s going on there? Shots from the Dal-Tex? There were 4 women two floors below the sniper’s nest and about 40 feet away on the 4th floor. Forty feet away is less than the average distance across an American home. They should have heard what the men heard. Vickie Adams- said she was at the third sets of windows from the east side of the building on the fourth floor. She heard shots in the direction of the Grassy Knoll Sandra Styles- couldn’t tell where the shots came from Dorothy Garner- said she heard shooting coming from the west. Elsie Dorman- said she heard shooting coming from the Court Records Building. If you were a smart defense lawyer wouldn’t you love to have this kind of testimony to work with? A good question is why didn’t the investigators pick up on this? Five out of seven witnesses closest to the sniper’s nest said they did not hear shots coming from the alleged sniper’s nest. Read what Barry Krusch has to say about the legal consequences of reasonable doubt in his book Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald. It only takes one incidence of reasonable doubt to cast a whole pile of evidence into disarray. List of 50 witnesses closest to alleged Sniper’s Nest 6th Floor Witnesses Jack Daugherty- not there at the time of the assassination Bonnie Ray Williams- not there at the time of the assassination Witnesses outside the TSBD who saw something on the 6th floor or elsewhere Carolyn Walther Mrs. Pearl Springer Arnold Rowland Garland Slack James Worrell Robert Edwards Ronald Fischer Amos Euins Harold Brennan Mrs. Earle Cabell Robert Jackson Malcom Couch Tom Dillard James Underwood 5th Floor Witnesses Harold Norman Bonnie Ray Williams James “Junior” Jarman Mary Hollies- the two women are included here due to Mary Hollies 2011 statements. They will only be counted once Betty Alice Foster The Fourth Floor Witnesses: They Were: Elsie Dorman Sandra Styles Vickie Adams Dorothy Garner Mary Hollies- allegedly on the 5th floor Betty Alice Foster- allegedly on the 5th floor Ruth Nelson Yola Hopson 3rd Floor Witnesses: They were: Steven Wilson Doris Fay Burns Sandra Sue Ellerson Edna Case The Second Floor Witnesses They were: Carol Hughes Vida Lee Whatley? Geneva Hine Geraldine Reid (aka Jeraldean or Geraldean) Lee Harvey Oswald First Floor Witnesses They were: Eddie Piper Troy West Out Front of the TSBD Witnesses Betty Jean Thornton William “Bill” Shelley Billy Lovelady Carolyn Arnold Danny Arce Jane Berry Judith McCully Ochus Cambell Otis Neville Williams Pauline Sanders (Mrs. Robert E. Sanders) Mrs. R. A. Reid Virginia Rackley *Not all of these witnesses provided relevant testimony. Lee Oswald and Vida Lee Whatley are examples.
Good Day .... Happy New Year, + wishing all the Best for you + your Loved Ones! Because AOL ceased its files transfer protocol (FTP) service, within one of my public President Kennedy assassination visual files, I have updated for you the free Dealey Plaza detailed map (that includes the additional 5 followup important graphs, charts, + information). The detailed DP map is always available for you, here (updated in 2017).... https://i.imgur.com/8vSS1dp.gif + I have also updated the exact same Dealey Plaza map (without the 5 followup important graphs + charts), that is always freely available for you here.... https://imgur.com/a/1aS7j A long time, dedicated researcher recently told me that he had a commercial business place print onto one sheet just the Dealey Plaza map without the 5 followup graphs, charts, + information (and it cost him $ 97). You can easily assemble your own DP map for free by printing it onto twelve, 8.5" by 11" paper sheets.... then, trimming off the blank border.... then, simply matching up and adjoining the sheets at their common edges points with clear tape. I also have available for you a DP map that is four times larger in size when you email me privately via my contact information. Your comments, and your specific referenced critiques are always welcomed. Any + all of your referenced information will be considered for inclusion for our DP map when you email me via my contact information. Please feel free to bookmark the maps in your favorites file, + check back periodically as I usually update them regularly with additional evidence + new information. Best Regards in Research, ++Don Donald Roberdeau U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, "Big John," Plank Walker Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly For your key considerations + independent determinations.... Visual Report: The First Impact: while JFK was Still Hidden Under the 'magic-limbed-ricochet-tree' Discovery: Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS Zapruder Film Documented 2nd Headsnap: West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll Homepages Website: President JOHN F. KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and Assassination Research + Discoveries Links T ogether E veryone A chieves M ore National Terror Alert for the United States: http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/ "A red-brown to black area of skin surrounds the wound, forming what is called an abrasion collar. It was caused by the bullet's scraping the margins of the skin on penetration and is characteristic of a gunshot wound of entrance. The abrasion collar is larger at the lower margin of the wound, evidence that the bullet's trajectory at the instant of penetration was slightly upward in relation to the body." - HSCA vol.17, pg.175, describing President KENNEDY's, theorized, not-completely-probed, neck and back wounds