A very peculiar Apollo series

[Jack White]

I will continue to post research in the "four sticks" series

regardless of how many times Apollogist Burton locks it...

every day if necessary. He is totally out of line to consider

it his power to censor legitimate research which he disagrees

with. He certainly has no power to control how I conduct

my research or how I publish it. I REFUSE TO BE CENSORED.

I have asked simple questions which can be answered by

observing photos. No file numbers are necessary. When I

post the FINAL research on Aulis, then the personal attacks

may begin.

Burton has called my research frivolous. He is entitled to

that private OPINION...but he should not be allowed to

force HIS BIASED OPINION ON THE ENTIRE FORUM.

He may refuse to consider what I post, but he should

not be allowed to censor it!

He will call this image frivolous also...but it is legitimate

SERIOUS RESEARCH. This image is cropped from an

Apollo photo. I simply am asking anyone, not just

Mr. Burton, what it represents. The file number is

irrelevant to such an opinion. The file numbers of the

four photos will be presented when my Aulis research

is complete.

Jack

ADDENDUM...WHEN I POSTED THIS MESSAGE ABOUT

TEN MINUTES AGO, IT HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED.

I VERIFIED THAT THE IMAGE WAS ATTACHED. NOW THE

IMAGE HAS BEEN REMOVED! WHAT KIND OF CRAP IS THIS?

Edited May 22, 2007 by Jack White

[Evan Burton]

I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.

I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting).

It is YOU who is doing the slandering.

Edited May 22, 2007 by Evan Burton

[Jack White]

I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.

I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting).

It is YOU who is doing the slandering.

OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED.

IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID?

[Craig Lamson]

I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.

I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting).

It is YOU who is doing the slandering.

OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED.

IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID?

I suggest that we not review this whiners work until it is posted with image numbers, whenever that may be. If Jack can not extend the simple courtesy to post image numbers for the members of this forum he deserves to be ignored.

[Evan Burton]

I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.

I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting).

It is YOU who is doing the slandering.

OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED.

IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID?

There were two threads with the same name and the same time. This is the duplicate posting that we have seen time and time again. I deleted the first one - as I have done with many other people (removing duplicate posts).

For whatever reason, your image did apparently not get attached to the second thread of the same name.

May I suggest you simply edit your post and put it back?

Now, back to your claim of my locking threads; the forum software (I believe) makes an audit trail of when a thread was locked, if it was opened, and who performed the actions.

How about we ask Andy or John to get the details from the site host people, and see who is telling the truth? I will expect an apology from you after the evidence is brought forward Jack. You simply cannot go on making false and spurious claims as you have been doing.

[Kevin M. West]

Here's a tip for you Jack. Always write long posts in a text editor and then cut & paste them in when you're ready to submit. You never know when a forum might lose your session, your browser might crash, etc.

By the way, the '4 sticks' photo was explained in the last thread, and yet again the image numbers that you REFUSED to give led to the answer. Can you do some honest work for once and give the source images and tell how you manipulated them?

[Antti Hynonen]

As a response to the moderation report by Mr. White, I have now reviewed the latest postings and events on this thread.

I can see that Mr. Burton has explained what took place with regards to double posting, and the deletion of the double. The easiest (only?) way to fix this is for Mr. White to re-attach the file/photo in question.

As long as the postings on this thread are related to the subject and otherwise follows Forum rules, I see no reason to lock it. Of course if there are further moderation reports, I will consider locking this thread. As a general comment I'd like to point out that some postings directed at fellow members leave something to be desired. Personally, I'd like to see a change in attitudes and in the way in which you address each other.

[John Geraghty]

I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.

I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting).

It is YOU who is doing the slandering.

OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED.

IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID?

I suggest that we not review this whiners work until it is posted with image numbers, whenever that may be. If Jack can not extend the simple courtesy to post image numbers for the members of this forum he deserves to be ignored.

Can we dispense with the name calling please, thinking it is sufficient.

[Dave Greer]

He will call this image frivolous also...but it is legitimate

SERIOUS RESEARCH. This image is cropped from an

Apollo photo. I simply am asking anyone, not just

Mr. Burton, what it represents. The file number is

irrelevant to such an opinion. The file numbers of the

four photos will be presented when my Aulis research

is complete.

Jack

Answers were given to in the main thread, i.e. they were the last 4 frames on the reel which were exposed in order to prevent the EVA photos suffering sunstrike when the film cartridge was reomved from the camera. That is what the ALSJ describes them as, and they bear all the hallmarks i.e. no apparent attempt at proper framing, arm in the field of view of two of the photos, sunstrike on the last image.

Do you accept this as a plausible explanation? If not, why not?

If this really is legitimate serious research as you claim, then you should be able to answer these two questions. Otherwise it's little more than a wild goose chase IMO.

[Craig Lamson]

I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.

I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting).

It is YOU who is doing the slandering.

OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED.

IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID?

I suggest that we not review this whiners work until it is posted with image numbers, whenever that may be. If Jack can not extend the simple courtesy to post image numbers for the members of this forum he deserves to be ignored.

Can we dispense with the name calling please, thinking it is sufficient.

No Thanks.

[Len Colby]

I will continue to post research in the "four sticks" series

regardless of how many times Apollogist Burton locks it...

every day if necessary. He is totally out of line to consider

it his power to censor legitimate research which he disagrees

with. He certainly has no power to control how I conduct

my research or how I publish it. I REFUSE TO BE CENSORED.

I have asked simple questions which can be answered by

observing photos. No file numbers are necessary. When I

post the FINAL research on Aulis, then the personal attacks

may begin.

Burton has called my research frivolous. He is entitled to

that private OPINION...but he should not be allowed to

force HIS BIASED OPINION ON THE ENTIRE FORUM.

He may refuse to consider what I post, but he should

not be allowed to censor it!

He will call this image frivolous also...but it is legitimate

SERIOUS RESEARCH. This image is cropped from an

Apollo photo. I simply am asking anyone, not just

Mr. Burton, what it represents. The file number is

irrelevant to such an opinion. The file numbers of the

four photos will be presented when my Aulis research

is complete.

Jack

Jack perhaps rather that rant on about threads that weren’t being locked you’d be willing to address your apparent attempted deception uncovered by Evan. It not only explains your fake question but shows why indeed we always want to get uncropped images and image numbers from you. If you don’t want to be accused of being dishonest you should stop playing such games. Frankly your latest stunt baffled me, didn’t you know some one would find the original images? Your suggestion that suppling image numbers is doing your critics “research for them” is absurd, if you are really after the truth you should supply all relevant information. If you know the numbers asking other to spend perhaps hours looking for a cropped (and at times altered) detail from amongst thousands of images is absurd.

Emphasis added

Today I came across this odd Apollo series of four photos.

They are four consecutive photos of a stick stuck in the ground.

They are nearly identical. Someone please tell me what was so

important about this stick that four shots were used on it.

No, for purposes of answering this, you do NOT need the file

numbers. If you are such experts, you already know them,

or can find them easily. I will not do your research for you.

I suggest that Jack be reprimanded (by a moderator other than Evan) unless he can explain how his selective cropping. rotating and misleading description of the images was anything but and attempted fraud. He claimed the images were “nearly identical” but only his altered versions match that description the originals clearly don’t. Also someone who claims to know as much about Apollo photography as he does should have known they were “clearing shots”.

I also suggest the other thread be locked as having two threads on the same topic unnecessarily cuts up the discussion

[Len Colby]

I will expect an apology from you after the evidence is brought forward Jack. You simply cannot go on making false and spurious claims as you have been doing.

I hope you're patient!

[John Geraghty]

I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.

I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting).

It is YOU who is doing the slandering.

OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED.

IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID?

I suggest that we not review this whiners work until it is posted with image numbers, whenever that may be. If Jack can not extend the simple courtesy to post image numbers for the members of this forum he deserves to be ignored.

Can we dispense with the name calling please, thinking it is sufficient.

No Thanks.

Civility costs nothing and buys everything. -Mary Wortley Montague

If at least only for your own sense of decorum Craig.

[Craig Lamson]

I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.

I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting).

It is YOU who is doing the slandering.

OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED.

IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID?

I suggest that we not review this whiners work until it is posted with image numbers, whenever that may be. If Jack can not extend the simple courtesy to post image numbers for the members of this forum he deserves to be ignored.

Can we dispense with the name calling please, thinking it is sufficient.

No Thanks.

Civility costs nothing and buys everything. -Mary Wortley Montague

If at least only for your own sense of decorum Craig.

I aptly described Jacks actions in his post at the start of this tread and you seem to think that is somehow name calling. PLEASE! Lets just call a spade a spade....THAT'S true civility.

All the rest is poppycock.

Edited May 22, 2007 by Craig Lamson

[Antti Hynonen]

Craig Lamson Posted Today, 02:07 PM

QUOTE(John Geraghty @ May 22 2007, 03:04 PM)

QUOTE(Craig Lamson @ May 22 2007, 02:31 PM)

QUOTE(John Geraghty @ May 22 2007, 01:36 PM)

QUOTE(Craig Lamson @ May 22 2007, 04:09 AM)

QUOTE(Jack White @ May 22 2007, 03:55 AM)

QUOTE(Evan Burton @ May 22 2007, 02:39 AM)

I didn't lock the thread Jack; it's still open and has never been closed.

I have not censored any of your posts (either via editing or deleting).

It is YOU who is doing the slandering.

OH, YEAH?...THE POSTING ABOVE HAD AN IMAGE ATTACHED.

IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED. I DID NOT REMOVE IT. WHO DID?

I suggest that we not review this whiners work until it is posted with image numbers, whenever that may be. If Jack can not extend the simple courtesy to post image numbers for the members of this forum he deserves to be ignored.

Can we dispense with the name calling please, thinking it is sufficient.

No Thanks.

Civility costs nothing and buys everything. -Mary Wortley Montague

If at least only for your own sense of decorum Craig.

I aptly described Jacks actions in his post at the start of this tread and you seem to think that is somehow name calling. PLEASE! Lets just call a spade a spade....THAT'S true civility.

All the rest is poppycock.

Mr. Lamson,

this is your opinion. I too think such name calling is unnecessary. The same rule applies to all. I am asking you to refrain from resorting to this in the future.