David Talbot : Gordon Campbell

William Kelly · August 20, 2010

Bill,

How odd that your following post (time stamped 7:48am) includes my post (time stamped 7:07pm)? Is that because you edited this post at 10:55pm and then "copied and pasted" my post from way later? I think so. And that's OK by me--really, but I almost missed your reply to what I wrote as a result!

Quoting BK [quoting me]:

Monk: It is, in my opinion, unnecessary for a researcher to discount evidence. All evidence needs to be weighed and measured irrespective of how it impacts one's own pre-existing beliefs. So, dismissing "supporting" evidence because we have "other evidence" is not productive. That is partly the reason some CT researchers deny Zapruder film alteration or remain agnostic about it.
BK: Well, if we ever get Congressional Hearings on the JFK Act or a grand jury investigation of the assassination, Wayne Smith and Brad Ayers would certainly be high on the witness list, but not for their false identification of Joannides and Campbell at the Ambassador, but for what they know about David Atlee Phillips in Havana, and Phillips, Campbell, Joannides, Shackley, Morales, Fernandez and Spfora at JMWAVE and their association with Dealey Plaza.

Of course, both Smith and Ayers have been compromised by the whole Ambassador schmeile, which I think was a set up to discredit them and others in the first place, and Morley and Talbott, two of the most respected journalists on this case, were also almost dragged into the gutter with them but pulled themselves out before they got too muddy.

Their mission in the first place, the assignment from the mainstream media publication in NYC, was misdirected, and should not have been to uncover Joannides, Campbell and Morales at the Ambassador, as Shane and the photos seemed to indicate to some people who knew them, their assignment should have been to uncover what Joannides, Campbell and Morales were doing at JMWAVE and how it is connected to Dealey Plaza - THAT is the story no one now is even looking into because everybody got sidetracked to the Ambassador.

Also, the discussion on the Tramps and the controversary over their photo ID illustrates how difficult it is to base an identification of anyone on photographs. BYW, I interviewed Holt on the record on tape at his home in San Diego in 1992 and wrote an article for Jerry Rose's Fourth Decade - Meet Chauncey Holt, that may have influenced Rose's thinking on the matter.

But that discussion should be held under the appropriate threads that have been started previously - and not here - a thread that should be dedicated to Gordon Campbell, who he was, what became of him, and how his operations at JMWAVE need to be understood in order to figure out what happened at Dealey Plaza.

What happened to him, the subject of this thread? Did he sail off into the sunset with his bikini clad wife and martinis?

Bill Kelly

I am truly confused by your post...

Hi Monk,

What's the confusion?

Yea, when I posted it, it failed to take and didn't seem to register right away. I thought I had screwed up and gave up instead of doing it all over again.

I guess the guys at NSA had to preview it first.

I think that the whole Ambassador photo gig was a set up and that the real focus of the investigaiton should be on the JMWAVE angles and not the bogus misidentification of the Ambassador photos.

And that the Holt and Gibson and Tramp stuff just confirms that such photo ID is difficult and bad evidence, and should be discussed under the appropriate thread instead of under the Talbot-Campbell thread.

BK

Greg Burnham · August 20, 2010

BK: Well, if we ever get Congressional Hearings on the JFK Act or a grand jury investigation of the assassination, Wayne Smith and Brad Ayers would certainly be high on the witness list, but not for their false identification of Joannides and Campbell at the Ambassador, but for what they know about David Atlee Phillips in Havana, and Phillips, Campbell, Joannides, Shackley, Morales, Fernandez and Spfora at JMWAVE and their association with Dealey Plaza.

Bill, if ANYONE is "high on the witness list" it is inappropriate to turn them into "suspects" -- suspects in the crime of perjury, among other things. For instance, I'm quite inclined to be in favor (at this late date) of granting immunity to Ayers (for example) in order to extract the truth from him (assuming he is still witholding information). Such inflammatory remarks hardly encourage the cooperation of a witness whose testimony is potentially valuable, IMO.

Of course, both Smith and Ayers have been compromised by the whole Ambassador schmeile, which I think was a set up to discredit them and others in the first place, and Morley and Talbott, two of the most respected journalists on this case, were also almost dragged into the gutter with them but pulled themselves out before they got too muddy.

Their mission in the first place, the assignment from the mainstream media publication in NYC, was misdirected, and should not have been to uncover Joannides, Campbell and Morales at the Ambassador, as Shane and the photos seemed to indicate to some people who knew them, their assignment should have been to uncover what Joannides, Campbell and Morales were doing at JMWAVE and how it is connected to Dealey Plaza - THAT is the story no one now is even looking into because everybody got sidetracked to the Ambassador.

Maybe, but not necessarily.

Also, the discussion on the Tramps and the controversary over their photo ID illustrates how difficult it is to base an identification of anyone on photographs. BYW, I interviewed Holt on the record on tape at his home in San Diego in 1992 and wrote an article for Jerry Rose's Fourth Decade - Meet Chauncey Holt, that may have influenced Rose's thinking on the matter.

Yeah, I know. Chauncey told me about it. But, Jerry concluded Holt was not the third tramp as a result of the encounter. Go figure?

But that discussion should be held under the appropriate threads that have been started previously - and not here - a thread that should be dedicated to Gordon Campbell, who he was, what became of him, and how his operations at JMWAVE need to be understood in order to figure out what happened at Dealey Plaza.

Agreed.

What happened to him, the subject of this thread? Did he sail off into the sunset with his bikini clad wife and martinis?
Bill Kelly

I hope so...and that she killed him in his sleep perhaps? Just one more witness...

Josiah Thompson · August 23, 2010

Fascinating Bill.

"We entered the Quonset….Campbell closed the door behind us and turned to face me. 'We're very pleased with the way you've handled the training setup for the station so far, and we've made that known to your people at the Pentagon. We know it hasn't been easy for you and your family….You'll be happy to know that the Special Group has finally given us permission to use two-man submarines to strike Castro's ships in the harbors. Some of your UDT people will be involved in that. And next week Rip's boys are going to Elgin for parachute training, so an airborne commando raid may not be far off. But right now we've got the go-ahead to hit one of the major oil refineries from on the island. All we've got to do is get a commando force in shape to do the job."

I was in UDT-21 based in Little Creek up until the summer of 1960. We had developed and tested two-man subs for attacks against ships in harbors. They didn't steer that well and there were other problems but I guess you could use them. The East Coast Teams at that time were UDT-21 and UDT-22. UDT-21 became Seal Team 4 and finally was decommissioned in 1983. From my friends in UDT-21 I never heard later of any involvement in the Bay of Pigs or anti-Castro missions. Do you know if there were any?

This sure was fascinating.

JT

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Gordon Campbell

Captain, United States Navy

From a contemporary press report:

Captain Gordon Campbell, United States Navy (Ret.) died December 5, 2000. His ashes will be inurned at Arlington National Cemetery.

Born on October 1, 1905 in Washington, D.C. he grew up in Honolulu, Hawaii, Fort Stevens, Georgia., and other Army Posts.

After prepping at Merion Institute in Alabama, he entered the U.S. Naval Academy, graduating in 1926. He served on surface ships and submarines, his last command being the heavy cruiser USS Columbus.

After retirement from the Navy in 1956 he was employed at Wright Machinery Co. until 1963.

He is survived by his wife Addo S. Campbell, daughter, Jayne C. Byal of Fort Lauderdale, Fla., four grandchildren, and three great grandchildren.

Posted: 14 October 2001 Updated: 20 November 2005

</div>

GORDON CAMPBELL – (Bradley Ayers, The Zenith Secret)

p.38:

On Monday I went to the station early, hoping to get a good start on my after-action report. I was beginning to organize my thoughts about the mission….Ted Shackley wanted as few people as possible to know about my trip to Cuba. I asked his secretary Maggy, who else might see my after-action report. I was most concerned about David Morales' reaction to my critical observations…. 'Dave is away in Mexico. Possibly Gordon will see it.'"

"I knew she was referring to Gordon Campbell, the deputy chief of station, who I had not met yet."

p. 45:

"Before leaving for the Keys, I stopped by the station to pick up a few supplies. There was a note on my desk. I was to see Gordon Campbell, the deputy chief of station before leaving. I'd never met him. What the hell? I thought. Campbell's office was in the building next to Ted Shackley's. But when I got there, Maggy told me to go to the second floor of the old barracks, a floor above my own office in the training branch. I'd never been in that area of the building."

"I walked back to my building and went upstairs. Campbell's office was well-decorated, with all sorts of Zenith Technical Enterprises corporate plaques, alleged product displays, photos and mementoes. His secretary buzzed him on my arrival and I was escorted into his plush office."

"Campbell came around his desk, introduced himself, and shook my hand. I judged his age to be around 40 and he appeared in robust physical condition. Dressed as if he had just come off the golf course, tanned, clean shaven, with a trim build, balding blond hair, and penetrating blue eyes, he greeted me cordially. I liked him immediately."

" 'I've been wanting to meet you and welcome you to the station. I'm sorry it's taken so long. I want to tell you we appreciate what you're working on. I also read your after action report and I think you know what needs to be done.'"

"I told him I'd do my best and we exchanged a few thoughts about the exile training program. As I left his office, he told me to be careful and that he would be seeing me again."

p. 56:

"I attended both briefings. All the branch chiefs were there aw well as Mr. Fitzgerald and Mr. Harvey from Washington accompanied by Ted Shackley and Campbell. David Morales introduced Mr. David Phillips who was identified as a coordinator for the new initiatives with the exile organizations."

p. 80 :

"On the way down US 1, I stopped at the Green Turtle Inn in Islamorada for a bowl of soup. It was early afternoon and most of the lunch crowd had left. But near the back of the restaurant, seated at a large circular table, were Dave Morales, Mr. Harvey, Gordon Campbell, Mr. Phillips, and another man, possibly Rosselli, whose back was turned on me. They apparently had stopped for lunch and drinks. I don't know if they recognized me or not. As was the practice in such situations, within the agency, there was no acknowledgement, either way. Discretely, I got my soup to go and quickly left. It was the first time I had ever seen the station hierarchy in the Keys and out of their air-conditioned offices. It was encouraging., maybe something big was in the offing. I thought."

p. 86:

"…We were going to a meeting place in the Everglades….We pulled into a truck stop at the junction of Tamiami Trail and Hightway 27, and another man – a Cuban who I had never seen before – checked the license of the car and climbed in. No one spoke as we drove down the long, slightly traveled highway and eventually turned onto a dirt road bordered by canal. After about a mile, the driver pulled over. An airboat was waiting in the canal, and in moments we were noisily skimming across the saw grass as dusk settled over the glades…..After nearly 30 minutes of travel across open swampland and deep canals, we turned under some overhanging trees and pulled up to a small dock behind another airboat. A sign on the rotting timbers read 'Waloos Glades Hunting Camp – No Tresspassing.' It was nearly dark, but I could see two small Quonsets with lights burning in the windows. Some men were standing around a campfire in the middle of the clearing, and in its flickering light I could see two helicopter parked in the shadows. One was a military Bell H-13 with the identification numbers taped over, and the other was a civilian chopper with the name West Palm Beach air service on the tail rotor boom."

"We walked to the fire and a young man handed us cups of coffee. I had never seen the men before. Soon the door to one of the Quonsets swung open and four men emerged. As they moved into the circle of firelight I recognized Gordon Campbell. I had seen him only a few times since my brief meeting with him, but had been impressed with his polished, slightly flamboyant executive manner. I caught my breath at the appearance of the second man. It was the attorney general, Robert Kennedy."

"The four men talked in low voices for a few minutes, and then the attorney general came over and shook hands with each of us, wishing us good luck and God's speed on our mission."

"Hell, I didn't even know what my mission was. His white teeth flashed and sparkled, and I felt a strange sense of strength and resolve when he grasped my hand. Then he and one of the Cubans went to the civilian helicopter, an din minutes it took off. Now I understood the need for extra secrecy. If the president felt strongly enough to send his brother, something very big was being planned."

"When the helicopter was gone, the deputy chief of station came over….he said, 'The reason we've got you here and the reason for all the secrecy is that we just got the green light from upstairs to go ahead on some missions we've been planning for some time.'"

"We entered the Quonset….Campbell closed the door behind us and turned to face me. 'We're very pleased with the way you've handled the training setup for the station so far, and we've made that known to your people at the Pentagon. We know it hasn't been easy for you and your family….You'll be happy to know that the Special Group has finally given us permission to use two-man submarines to strike Castro's ships in the harbors. Some of your UDT people will be involved in that. And next week Rip's boys are going to Elgin for parachute training, so an airborne commando raid may not be far off. But right now we've got the go-ahead to hit one of the major oil refineries from on the island. All we've got to do is get a commando force in shape to do the job."

" 'We want you to take a commando force of 12 men and give them six weeks of the toughest, most realistic training you can. We want you to teach them survival and get them physically toughened up. Then we want you to run some exercises for them, and finally, wet up a rehearsal for the actual raid, and do it over and over until they have it down blindfolded. During this six weeks we want you to eat, sleep, and live this mission with the Cubans, 24 hours a day. We want them ready to go by mid-December."

"….We've got a house on the south end of Elliot Key that's never been used…you can run the training from there…..You'll have to keep up with your regular duties in addition to working with this commando group. Again, no one is to know that. David is sometimes a little bit difficult, so you'll deal directly with me on anything you need. Use the telephone, and we'll meet away from the station. After you get set, I'll give you a complete scenario for the mission and as much data as we have on the target itself."

"…. 'My outside man, Karl, will help you with logistics. Take the deliveries and carry the items to the island yourself. Order as little as you have to from logistics, and buy all your own food….Here's the safehouse key and $1,000 to get things moving….'"

"Campbell introduced me to Tony Sforza, the commando team contact man, and Karl…."

p. 92:

"I felt an urgency to discuss the leadership aspect of the mission early on with Mr. Campbell....So I decided to talk to Karl about the problem…Campbell had placed no restrictions on what I might discuss with his right-hand man."

"My trip across the bay was faster than usual, and I arrived at the restaurant near the Coral Castle ahead of our scheduled meeting. I saw Karl, Dave Morales, Rosselli, and Mr. Phillips sitting at a table near the back of the room. When I saw all but Karl leave, three to the same car, I went back to meet him. Over a beer, I told him of my observations with Campbell. Karl was pretty savvy and agreed. On the way back to Black Point I pondered Karl's apparent familiarity with the principal staff at JM/WAVE as I had observed it. I was impressed. Karl was obviously something more than the typical logistics gofer."

p. 93 :

"I stole a few hours extra sleep the next morning, then went out to Coconut Grove, where I was to meet Gordon Campbell. He and his wife lived on a yacht moored at the Dinner Key marina. I walked down a long concrete pier, past sleek, expensive cruisers, and finally found Gordon's boat. Both he and his wife – an attractive bikini-clad silver-haired women – were well into their Sunday afternoon martinis."

"As he mixed me a drink, he asked, 'What do you think of the men? How do they look – morale, interest - you know, guts for the job?'"

"'They look very good so far,' I replied, 'but there's one big problem, the commandos have no real leader. The team is split into two distinct, separate groups of five and six men each…and they seem to want to stay that way. As long as I give orders, there's no problem, but when they're on their own, the so-called leader makes suggestions and the other two follow only if they feel like it. It's too loose to be effective under pressure.'"

" 'Goddamnit, if a leader is a problem, then you find one! The case officer for these boys will be down from Washington in a few weeks. He's been with the Cuban desk studying the situation and he's well-read. Porter is young but he knows his stuff. I've assured him you'd have the team ready to go.'"

"Had I heard right? Somebody who worked behind a desk at Langley was suddenly going to appear on the scene and take over where I left off? Just like that? I'd train them and someone else would step in and simply 'assume' control? I started to say something, but caught myself. This was something totally beyond my control, and no good would come from an argument with Campbell at this point. I took a big swallow of my drink. 'I'll continue to do my best on the leadership situation. Gordon, I can assure you that having a leader would make my own work easier. More importantly, these are good men, and they deserve a good leader."

"The anger passed from his face and he mixed us both another drink. 'All right, let's go below. I have the charts and photos and we'll go over the mission from beginning to end."

"For the better part of the next two hours we pored over refinery blueprints and incredibly detailed U-2 photos and recently smuggled-out snapshots of the target. The time schedule was set in the familiar D-day, H-hour military terminology, and Campbell would not tell me when the raid would be conducted. We had to be ready to go anytime after the first of December. He wanted at least two rehearsals competed by then, and there was little time left."

"Our discussion terminated when Mrs. Campbell came down to the gallery carrying drinks for all of us. She chided us for spending the 'glorious Sunday afternoon' talking business, and threw her heavily oiled, deeply tanned body into her husband's lap. Her obvious attention seeking embarrassed me, so I drank quickly, thanked Gordon, and said I'd contact him."

"It wasn't until I'd left the yacht that I realized Campbell hadn't given me the exact location of the refinery; he's said only that it was on the south central coast of Cuba. It probably had been intentional, I concluded, but I had enough data to get well into advanced training and preliminary rehearsals anyway."

"The mission was a big one, all right, and tough. In a very complex, precisely timed raid, the commandos would destroy the fuel storage tanks, dock, and ship-to-shore product-transfer pipelines of the refinery. As I drove home, I reviewed the details Gordon had given me. Two fishing trawlers would be used as mother ships for three V-20s. At a shallow water point about a mile from the target, one boat would land and the team would go ashore, under cover of darkness. The other two boats would wait offshore, among the mangroves, for completion of the first phase of the mission."

"The landed commando team would move down the shore to the pier that supported the pipeline. They would kill the guards on the pier, and then eliminate the watchman in the small tin shack at the end of the pier. This accomplished, they would signal the other two V-20s to come to the end of the pier, where the boats would be tied until the mission was completed."

"The landed commando team would move down the shore to the pier and around the refinery yard fence to a position behind a low hill that was about eleven hundred yards from the brightly illuminated crackling towers and processing facilities. Two 81mm mortars would be set up; from an observation position on high ground; their fire would be guided into the refinery proper. White phosphorous ordinance would be used, in the hope that the cracking towers would catch fire immediately and the surrounding fuel storage tanks would explode. Approximately twenty mortar round would be fired into the refinery."

"Meanwhile, time-activated demolition charges would be fastened to the pipeline pier, and 'clams' (round TNT charges with magnetic devices to hold them to metal objects) would be attached to the transfer pipeline. By the time the entire commando force withdrew, the refinery would be engulfed in flames."

"As the two V-20s pulled away, the timer would activate, and the pier and the pipeline would explode behind them. The commandos would return to the trawlers waiting several miles offshore. Another time-activated explosive would destroy the beached V-20."

p. 99:

"Communications between Elliott Key and the mainland had been a problem from the beginning….The only way I could maintain secure contact with Gordon Campbell, Karl, and Tony was to go ashore to the pay phone at Black Point…..Sometimes I'd go for days without contact…On other occasions I'd get word that Campbell and Karl were out of the area and was given no idea when they might return my call…."

p. 102:

"….I immediately recognized the plane as the single-engine Cessna based at the CIA headquarters in Miami. As it flew overhead, a white object was released directly over the old house. It was a roll of toilet tissue, streaming as it fell. It landed only a few feet away….The center tube of the tissue role had been closed with masking tape, and the word 'OPEN' had been scrawled on the side with black marking pencil. Hastily, I opened up the tube and pulled out the paper inside. It was Campbell's printing:

NOVEMBER 22 1963

PRESIDENT KENNEDY HAS BEEN SHOT BY AN ASSASSIN. SUSPEND ALL ACTIIVTY. KEEP MEN ON ISLAND. COME ASHORE WITHOUT DELAY.

GORDON

p. 104 :

"More than a month after the assassination that I spoke with Mr. Campbell about the Elliot Key commandos. He directed me to hold off any additional rehearsals but to go on training at a reduced pace."

p. 105:

"Gordon Campbell and Karl had all but disappeared during this period and the Elliot Key operation, for which I had been responsible, was placed under control of the training branch. Cal had departed for anew assignment in Washington at the CIA 'farm' in Virginia. Rudy temporarily assumed duties as chief of training….Eventually, and old CIA training officer, Ernie Sparks, arrived and took over as chief of branch….Ernie dressed in Western style, with cowboy boots, jeans and open collared riding shirt. Often he would have a big revolver holstered at his side. He was about 50, with gray hair, a droopy mustache, ruddy complexion, and piercing blue eyes. He was portly but muscular. He could have been a Wild West movie character. He had been nicknamed 'Sitting Bull' while serving as a training officer in Guatemala, preparing Cuban exile Brigade 2506 for the Bay of Pigs invasion. As the time went by I learned he had a penchant for booze, women and sports cars….."

p. 181 :

"…The cover office, staffed with full-time secretaries and decorated to appear as a typical business headquarters. Shackley would never be there, but either Clines or Campbell would when it was useful to present Zenith Technical Enterprise's face to the world. The Maritime Branch was located in the same building, and for that reason, it was most convenient for Campbell, who was running that branch, to man the cover office….and I found it interesting in Fonzi's book there was no mention of Campbell. Campbell was identified in Deadly Secrets, however. This would become a matter of significance in my future work."

August 23, 2010

....I'd also like to know the name of Campbell's sailboat that he kept at that marina, and what his wife's name was, and what else more can be learned about him.

After all, he was responsible for Ayers' training a special commando unit for an approved incersion into Cuba to blow up an oil refinery, a team that was led by Tony Sforza and Julio Fernandez, both tied to the Dealey Plaza operation,

and said to be personally approved by RFK and included a case officer named Porter Goss, a still living witness who has yet to testify about any of these things.

I say forget the Ambassador story and stick with what really happened at JMWAVE and how they are connected to what happened in Dallas.

BK ....

...What happened to him, the subject of this thread? Did he sail off into the sunset with his bikini clad wife and martinis?

Bill Kelly

Bill, "Gertrude" is Gertrude Hoxie, daughter of Isaac Richmond Hoxie. She appears to have been born in Morristown, NJ in 1909. I am not confident that she did die in 1995, but I was on to this obit before I found "footnote 440", displayed below.

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=gh+williams+gordon+s+campbell++&btnG=Search+Archives&hl=en&ned=us&scoring=a
MRS. GH WILLIAMS WED IN GREENWICH Z; Becomes Bride 5f Capt. GS i ...

- New York Times - Apr 10, 1943

... to Captain Gordon S. Campbell of the ilitary Intelligence Service. ... Campbell and her former husband, Harvey Ladew Williams, to whom she was ,arried ...

Footnote # 440 :

http://books.google.com/books?id=Bxt1a2N6E4gC&pg=PA526&lpg=PA526&dq=%22gertrude+h+campbell%22+gordon&source=bl&ots=wU54HsIiUu&sig=oo6cEdhEZCoyf6UfW0fsluuzGWE&hl=en&ei=_QtyTOTmCMT48AaS4OHjCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22gertrude%20h%20campbell%22%20gordon&f=false
Who Killed Bobby?: The Unsolved Murder of Robert F. Kennedy - Google Books Result

Shane O'Sullivan - 2008 - History - 551 pages

Public records identified Gordon S. Campbell, aka Gordon Sutherland, born July 5, 1905. His wife, Gertrude H. Campbell, was six years his junior and died in ...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=oss%20%22gordon%20s%20campbell%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=bks:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=wp
The History of the Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC)

John Mendelsohn - 1989 - Snippet view

Office of Strategic Service (OSS) reported that every one of their operatives who tried to infiltrate into enemy territory through ... 153 Maj Gordon S. Campbell was Commanding Officer of the 222d (XXII Corps) CIC Det and Maj William E. ...

http://books.google.com/books?ei=DxJyTL72DIWClAeZ88TLDg&ct=result&id=LB5nAAAAMAAJ&dq=oss+%22gordon+s+campbell%22&q=%22gordon+s+campbell%22#search_anchor

William Kelly · August 23, 2010

....I'd also like to know the name of Campbell's sailboat that he kept at that marina, and what his wife's name was, and what else more can be learned about him.

After all, he was responsible for Ayers' training a special commando unit for an approved incersion into Cuba to blow up an oil refinery, a team that was led by Tony Sforza and Julio Fernandez, both tied to the Dealey Plaza operation,

and said to be personally approved by RFK and included a case officer named Porter Goss, a still living witness who has yet to testify about any of these things.

I say forget the Ambassador story and stick with what really happened at JMWAVE and how they are connected to what happened in Dallas.

BK ....

...What happened to him, the subject of this thread? Did he sail off into the sunset with his bikini clad wife and martinis?

Bill Kelly

Bill, "Gertrude" is Gertrude Hoxie, daughter of Isaac Richmond Hoxie. She appears to have been born in Morristown, NJ in 1909. I am not confident that she did die in 1995, but I was on to this obit before I found "footnote 440", displayed below.

http://news.google.c...ed=us&scoring=a
MRS. GH WILLIAMS WED IN GREENWICH Z; Becomes Bride 5f Capt. GS i ...

- New York Times - Apr 10, 1943

... to Captain Gordon S. Campbell of the ilitary Intelligence Service. ... Campbell and her former husband, Harvey Ladew Williams, to whom she was ,arried ...

Footnote # 440 :

http://books.google....0gordon&f=false
Who Killed Bobby?: The Unsolved Murder of Robert F. Kennedy - Google Books Result

Shane O'Sullivan - 2008 - History - 551 pages

Public records identified Gordon S. Campbell, aka Gordon Sutherland, born July 5, 1905. His wife, Gertrude H. Campbell, was six years his junior and died in ...

http://www.google.co...=og&sa=N&tab=wp
The History of the Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC)

John Mendelsohn - 1989 - Snippet view

Office of Strategic Service (OSS) reported that every one of their operatives who tried to infiltrate into enemy territory through ... 153 Maj Gordon S. Campbell was Commanding Officer of the 222d (XXII Corps) CIC Det and Maj William E. ...

http://books.google....2#search_anchor

Thanks Tom,

That helps a lot. I knew there was more to this guy.

Now if we can get the name of the sailboat, that can be traced as boats leave a paper trail like cars and planes.

BK

August 23, 2010

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Edited August 23, 2010 by Tom Scully

August 23, 2010

Bill, I don't know if the 1902 wedding announcement is related, but the names of both the bride and groom seem more than a coincidence. John has the middle name as "Sunderland" http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcampbellG.htm

Perhaps some forum members living in the UK can come up with info on Gordon Campbell's university days or more about his parents. The Baltimore Sun piece adds some names and confirms Campbell's WWII service. The only confirmations we have that the 1943 wedding announcement (Capt. Gordon S. Campbell of military intelligence...) is of this Gordon Campbell are from the book I linked to in my last post, and footnote #440 in the book, "Who Killed Bobby?: The Unsolved Murder of Robert F. Kennedy," by Shane O'Sullivan, and from this.:

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/keyword/i-wrote/featured/4
...And then there was one

By James H. Bready | January 8, 1993

LAST month's wish list went not to St. Nicholas but to St. Louis. To round up the guys from World War II one last time, first they have to be located.Maj. Gordon Sutherland Campbell, our commanding officer from Fort DuPont all the way to Pilsen, are you still living?Capt. Frederick R. Rutledge, last heard of selling insurance in Texas, are you in retirement somewhere?Lt. Pat Curry, the funniest man in the unit, are you still in law enforcement somewhere outside New York City?Soon it'll be a half century since the l7 of us assembled at that staging area in Delaware, to form a corps intelligence detachment.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2006-07-04/news/0607040092_1_bowen-war-ii-counter-intelligence-corps

Albert R. Bowen Jr., 84, lawyer, decorated veteran

July 04, 2006|By FREDERICK N. RASMUSSEN | FREDERICK N. RASMUSSEN,SUN REPORTER

...When he was admitted to the Maryland bar in 1941, Mr. Bowen was a claims adjuster for Insurance Co. of North America. He entered the Army that year.

He was assigned to the Counter Intelligence Corps at the War Department in Washington, and after graduating in 1942 from Officer Candidate School at Fort Benning, Ga., he joined VIII Corps at its headquarters in Texas.

In 1943, he was sent to England as a counterintelligence detachment commander with VIII Corps and landed on Utah Beach, at Normandy, on June 12, 1944, six days after the D-Day invasion.

"Our mission was the security of Allied forces from the activities of spies, agents and saboteurs," said James H. Bready, a retired Evening Sun editorial writer and counterintelligence officer whose command was attached to Mr. Bowen's after the Battle of the Bulge in 1945.

"And here was this good guy from Baltimore. After the war, I joined the Army Reserve and Al was the commanding officer of the 338th Counter Intelligence Corps detachment in Baltimore," Mr. Bready said. "He was an outstanding character with a sharp sense of humor and could talk about World War II without becoming a bore."

Mr. Bowen earned the Bronze Star for meritorious service in military operations in France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany, as well as five battle stars for his World War II service.

"I think because the very nature of his service was very secretive, he told us only a few stories," said his son, Albert Rodney "Duke" Bowen III of Parkton.

"One he told was of being behind enemy lines and trying to dodge Gen. George S. Patton's advance and firepower. Another was during a shelling by mortars, Dad was in a building hiding under one table while Patton, wearing his pearl-handled pistols, was right next to him under another table."

Mr. Bowen remained an active reservist and was commander of the 396th Military Intelligence Security Company in Baltimore from 1959 until his retirement as colonel in 1977.

Bill, James H Bready is a retired journalist who served under Gordon Sutherland Campbell until the end of WWII. He was quoted in a Baltimore Sun article as recently as in 2009....

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0C14FB35591B728DDDA00894D9415B828CF1D3
Campbell -- Sutherland.

November 9, 1902, Sunday

EAST ORANGE, N.J., Nov. 8 -- In the residence of Mr. and Mrs. Alexander Matheson Sutherland, 64 Carnegie Avenue, this afternoon, their daughter, Miss Florence Helena M. Sutherland, was married to Charles Stewart F. Campbell of Glen Ridge by the Rev. Oscar F. Moore, assistant rector of Grace Episcopal Church...

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=gordon+son+Stewart+F.+Campbell+london+oxford+university&cf=all
MRS. GH WILLIAMS WED IN GREENWICH Z; Becomes Bride 5f Capt. GS i ...

- New York Times - Apr 10, 1943

... April 9-Mrs. Gertrude Hoxie Williams, daughter of Mr. and . I. Richmond Hoxie, was married this afternoon at Appleyard, the residence o' her parents here,

to Captain Gordon S. Campbell of the ilitary Intelligence Service. The ceremony was performed by the Rev. Theodore Posselt of Mamaro .

The bride was attended by her sister, Mrs. Marsden B. Candler of I-Iewlett Neck,

L. LL Richmond Hoxie Jr., brother of the bride, was best man. A small reception was i given. Thp. bride and bridegroom will i reside in Greenwich. !rs .Campbell and her former husband, Harvey Ladew Williams, to whom she was ,arried in 1927, were divorced recently.

Captain Campbell also had been married previously, that -u:on terminating in divorce. He is a son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Stewart F. Campbell of London, and was graduated from Oxford University. j.

Edited August 23, 2010 by Tom Scully

William Kelly · August 25, 2010

Bill, I don't know if the 1902 wedding announcement is related, but the names of both the bride and groom seem more than a coincidence. John has the middle name as "Sunderland" http://www.spartacus...FKcampbellG.htm

Perhaps some forum members living in the UK can come up with info on Gordon Campbell's university days or more about his parents. The Baltimore Sun piece adds some names and confirms Campbell's WWII service. The only confirmations we have that the 1943 wedding announcement (Capt. Gordon S. Campbell of military intelligence...) is of this Gordon Campbell are from the book I linked to in my last post, and footnote #440 in the book, "Who Killed Bobby?: The Unsolved Murder of Robert F. Kennedy," by Shane O'Sullivan, and from this.:

http://articles.balt...rote/featured/4
...And then there was one

By James H. Bready | January 8, 1993

LAST month's wish list went not to St. Nicholas but to St. Louis. To round up the guys from World War II one last time, first they have to be located.Maj. Gordon Sutherland Campbell, our commanding officer from Fort DuPont all the way to Pilsen, are you still living?Capt. Frederick R. Rutledge, last heard of selling insurance in Texas, are you in retirement somewhere?Lt. Pat Curry, the funniest man in the unit, are you still in law enforcement somewhere outside New York City?Soon it'll be a half century since the l7 of us assembled at that staging area in Delaware, to form a corps intelligence detachment.

http://articles.balt...elligence-corps

Albert R. Bowen Jr., 84, lawyer, decorated veteran

July 04, 2006|By FREDERICK N. RASMUSSEN | FREDERICK N. RASMUSSEN,SUN REPORTER

...When he was admitted to the Maryland bar in 1941, Mr. Bowen was a claims adjuster for Insurance Co. of North America. He entered the Army that year.

He was assigned to the Counter Intelligence Corps at the War Department in Washington, and after graduating in 1942 from Officer Candidate School at Fort Benning, Ga., he joined VIII Corps at its headquarters in Texas.

In 1943, he was sent to England as a counterintelligence detachment commander with VIII Corps and landed on Utah Beach, at Normandy, on June 12, 1944, six days after the D-Day invasion.

"Our mission was the security of Allied forces from the activities of spies, agents and saboteurs," said James H. Bready, a retired Evening Sun editorial writer and counterintelligence officer whose command was attached to Mr. Bowen's after the Battle of the Bulge in 1945.

"And here was this good guy from Baltimore. After the war, I joined the Army Reserve and Al was the commanding officer of the 338th Counter Intelligence Corps detachment in Baltimore," Mr. Bready said. "He was an outstanding character with a sharp sense of humor and could talk about World War II without becoming a bore."

Mr. Bowen earned the Bronze Star for meritorious service in military operations in France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany, as well as five battle stars for his World War II service.

"I think because the very nature of his service was very secretive, he told us only a few stories," said his son, Albert Rodney "Duke" Bowen III of Parkton.

"One he told was of being behind enemy lines and trying to dodge Gen. George S. Patton's advance and firepower. Another was during a shelling by mortars, Dad was in a building hiding under one table while Patton, wearing his pearl-handled pistols, was right next to him under another table."

Mr. Bowen remained an active reservist and was commander of the 396th Military Intelligence Security Company in Baltimore from 1959 until his retirement as colonel in 1977.

Bill, James H Bready is a retired journalist who served under Gordon Sutherland Campbell until the end of WWII. He was quoted in a Baltimore Sun article as recently as in 2009....

http://query.nytimes...4D9415B828CF1D3
Campbell -- Sutherland.

November 9, 1902, Sunday

EAST ORANGE, N.J., Nov. 8 -- In the residence of Mr. and Mrs. Alexander Matheson Sutherland, 64 Carnegie Avenue, this afternoon, their daughter, Miss Florence Helena M. Sutherland, was married to Charles Stewart F. Campbell of Glen Ridge by the Rev. Oscar F. Moore, assistant rector of Grace Episcopal Church...

http://news.google.c...iversity&cf=all
MRS. GH WILLIAMS WED IN GREENWICH Z; Becomes Bride 5f Capt. GS i ...

- New York Times - Apr 10, 1943

... April 9-Mrs. Gertrude Hoxie Williams, daughter of Mr. and . I. Richmond Hoxie, was married this afternoon at Appleyard, the residence o' her parents here,

to Captain Gordon S. Campbell of the ilitary Intelligence Service. The ceremony was performed by the Rev. Theodore Posselt of Mamaro .

The bride was attended by her sister, Mrs. Marsden B. Candler of I-Iewlett Neck,

L. LL Richmond Hoxie Jr., brother of the bride, was best man. A small reception was i given. Thp. bride and bridegroom will i reside in Greenwich. !rs .Campbell and her former husband, Harvey Ladew Williams, to whom she was ,arried in 1927, were divorced recently.

Captain Campbell also had been married previously, that -u:on terminating in divorce. He is a son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Stewart F. Campbell of London, and was graduated from Oxford University. j.

Hey Tom, I think we are getting somewhere.

Could the 1902 wedding be Gordon Campbell's parents?

It seems like James Bready is writing about our guy.

I emailed the Maryland Historical Society to see if I can get a contact number for him.

Isn't there anything about the 222nd or XXII Corps unit histories on line?

Bready says they went from Fort DuPont to Pilsen.

Fort DuPont was a Army Reserve training ground and POW camp during WWII.

Pilsen was liberated by Patton's Third Army.

BK

http://query.nytimes...9679D946397D6CF

Special To The New York Times.

November 9, 1902, Sunday

Page 7, 961 words

EAST ORANGE, N.J., Nov. 8 -- In the residence of Mr. and Mrs. Alexander Matheson Sutherland, 64 Carnegie Avenue, this afternoon, their daughter, Miss Florence Helena M. Sutherland, was married to Charles Stewart F. Campbell of Glen Ridge by the Rev. Oscar F. Moore, assistant rector of Grace Episcopal Church. The bride was given away by her father. Her gown was of white satin cut entraine and trimmed with point lace. The matron of honor was Mrs. Van Ryck, sister of the bride. She wore an imported costume of rainbow chiffon and carried chrystanthemums. The bridesmades were Miss Emily Allen and Beretha Kellog of Elesibeth. Miss Katherine Palmer of New York and Miss Mary Bradley of Orange. The gowns were of white mousseline de sole and they carried chrystanthemums. The best man was Frederick Holden Sutton of New York and the ushers were Charles Bartlett and James Taylor Green and Roger Dodd of New York and Chauncey Sayer of Orange. The gifts of the bride and bridegroom to the bridal party were gold key rings, each with a latchkey to their new residence. A reception followed the ceremony. Mr. and Mrs. Campbell will reside in Glenn Ridge.

And then there was one

By James H. Bready | January 8, 1993

LAST month's wish list went not to St. Nicholas but to St. Louis. To round up the guys from World War II one last time, first they have to be located.Maj. Gordon Sutherland Campbell, our commanding officer from Fort DuPont all the way to Pilsen, are you still living? Capt. Frederick R. Rutledge, last heard of selling insurance in Texas, are you in retirement somewhere? Lt. Pat Curry, the funniest man in the unit, are you still in law enforcement somewhere outside New York City?Soon it'll be a half century since the l7 of us assembled at that staging area in Delaware, to form a corps intelligence detachment.

James H. Bready to tell him of the purchase and ask for a chance to share some with a man who has, unwittingly, been an enormous inspiration to these web pages and to so many others interested in the history of the rye whiskey industry in Maryland.

Jim Bready is not terribly well-known outside of the greater Baltimore area, but within those confines he had been a familiar daily encounter for millions, among several generations of Baltimoreans. Seen here in a 2006 photo, Bready has spent well over fifty years as an editorialist and columnist for Baltimore's Sun newspapers, and he still occasionally contributes articles. He was also the Baltimore correspondent for Time, Life, and Fortune magazines and the author of This Parish Under God, a history of the Church of the Redeemer and The Home Team, a history of baseball in Baltimore. In 1990, he wrote a comprehensive article on the history of the pre-Prohibition Maryland rye spirits industry for the Maryland Historical Society and the Library of Maryland History. The article was published in the Winter 1990 issue of the Maryland Historical Magazine. A couple years ago, Linda obtained an original copy of that magazine and it has been a never-diminishing fountain of information and knowledge concerning the whiskey business in Baltimore and all of Maryland. Other sources we've tapped in our search for information have often turned out to be quoting from or obviously influenced by this work. Jim Bready is eighty-five (or so) years young, and he is quite aware of his body's limitations and fragilities. There's nothing fragile or foggy about his mind, though, and if it recognizes any limits at all they sure aren't apparent this afternoon! He even brings along a bottle of Maryland rye from his collection, made by John H. Farber sometime before 1900, as his own contribution to the party's fare, despite being the guest of honor.

Jim Bready is eighty-five (or so) years young, and he is quite aware of his body's limitations and fragilities. There's nothing fragile or foggy about his mind, though, and if it recognizes any limits at all they sure aren't apparent this afternoon! He even brings along a bottle of Maryland rye from his collection, made by John H. Farber sometime before 1900, as his own contribution to the party's fare, despite being the guest of honor.

Fred Rutledge Sr., 87, of crystal River

Fred R. Rutledge Sr., 87, of Crystal River died Thursday, May 25, 2000, at Cypress Cove Care Center in Crystal River. Born in Sedalia, Mo., to F.W. and Maggie D. (Jackson) Rutledge on Feb. 24, 1913, he came here 26 years ago from Tampa. He was a retired salesman. He was a U.S. Army veteran serving in World War II and the Korean conflict. Surviving are; one son, Fred R. Rutledge Jr. of W. Yorkshire, England and four daughters. Strickland Funeral Home, Crystal River.

Edited August 25, 2010 by William Kelly

William Kelly · August 25, 2010

Fascinating Bill.

"We entered the Quonset….Campbell closed the door behind us and turned to face me. 'We're very pleased with the way you've handled the training setup for the station so far, and we've made that known to your people at the Pentagon. We know it hasn't been easy for you and your family….You'll be happy to know that the Special Group has finally given us permission to use two-man submarines to strike Castro's ships in the harbors. Some of your UDT people will be involved in that. And next week Rip's boys are going to Elgin for parachute training, so an airborne commando raid may not be far off. But right now we've got the go-ahead to hit one of the major oil refineries from on the island. All we've got to do is get a commando force in shape to do the job."

I was in UDT-21 based in Little Creek up until the summer of 1960. We had developed and tested two-man subs for attacks against ships in harbors. They didn't steer that well and there were other problems but I guess you could use them. The East Coast Teams at that time were UDT-21 and UDT-22. UDT-21 became Seal Team 4 and finally was decommissioned in 1983. From my friends in UDT-21 I never heard later of any involvement in the Bay of Pigs or anti-Castro missions. Do you know if there were any?

This sure was fascinating.

JT

Hey TT, No I don;t know if there were any use of them in anti-Castro missions, but we don't have all the docs yet.

I too think its pretty fascinating too. That's why I think its important to not let Brad Ayers and his knowledge of the inner workings of JMWAVE to be discreditd by the false identification of those photos of the Bozos at the Ambassador. While that's all speculation, Ayers' tells us much more important things about what was going on at JMWAVE in the months leading up to the assassination, and details who was there and what they were doing.

His reports on the official approvals from the highest levels of certain covert actions is important - especially the Two Man Sub and the commando attack on the oil refinary that he trained one team to do, a team led by Tony Sforza.

While Brad Ayers reports on what was going on at the street level at JMWAVE, we now have some of the official reports from the command level in Washington, which should jive with what was going on down in Florida.

One of the meetings where covert op plans were presented to JFK included a number of actions, some of which were approved and some disapproved.

One of the ops that was disapporved is the ballon-pamplet flyer - that was ready to go, but Edward R. Morrow talked JFK out of approving. I think this was the ACT OF GOD pamplet that has been linked to Sforza.

If the TWO MAN SUB and the commando raid on the oil refinery operations were indeed approved at the highest level, they were never put into operation - and never took place, possibly because of Dealey Plaza.

In addition, Ayers says that he personally saw and met both Johnny Rosseli (aka "Colonel") and RFK at their operational bases in the Everglades swamp, which makes me believe that these were the operations that RFK had approved that would backfire on him at Dealey Plaza, and they were planned that way.

Here's some highlights of the Administrative Details:

.....On April Fools Day, April 1, 1963, the Cuban Coordinating Committee Covert Operations in Cuba (CCC-COC) met, the subject of an April 3 memo from Gordon Chase of the National Security Council to McGeorge Bundy, the President's Special Assistant for National Security Affairs. It included a still classified agenda and matters discussed by the Cottrell Committee, which White identifies as "An interdepartmental committee, chaired by Sterling J. Cottrell, in early 1963 to coordinate the administration's covert and overt Cuban policies."

Among those in the CCC-COC meeting were Secretary Vance, Joe Califano, Dick Helms, Dez FitzGerald and Bob Hurwitch, who discussed "Ballon Operations Over Havana, a plan that was "well under way," given favorable winds, that would release balloons containing hundreds of thousands of leaflets designed by the CIA propaganda shop, which "attack Castro's henchmen and contain cartoons illustrating sabotage techniques." Another review is scheduled before this is put into operation.

Also on the agenda of this meeting was finding appropriate installations for the "Training of CIA-Sponsored Cuban Exiles on Military Reservations CIA and the Army," and "The Russian Language Programs The Committee decided in favor of instituting three programs (Radio Liberty, Radio Caribe, and an intrusion program…"

In summary, Gordon Chase notes, "In approving the three programs for Special Group considerations, the committee recognized that they will probably be of marginal value only: however, they will cost us very little, financial or otherwise."

Under agenda item number four, "Sabotage of Cuban Shipping The Committee…will recommend to the Special Group the incendiaries which would be timed to go off in international waters and the abrasives in the machinery. While the propaganda boost might be nil, they are easier to effect than limpets and could really hurt Castro."

Then Chase tells McBundy, "The Committee gave the CIA the option of using its own Cubans or of using DRE as a cut-out."

The DRE are the anti-Castro Cuban Student Revolutionary Directorate, whose members interacted with Oswald before the assassination.

Then the meeting briefly discussed "The Redirection of Cuban Exile Group Operations," asking themselves the question of "what is an acceptable target?"

In response, "Dick Helms pointed out that although these groups may start out to get a non-Soviet target, once you let them go, you can never really be sure what they will do."

Let me repeat that: "DICK HELMS POINTED OUT THAT ALTHOUGH THESE GROUPS MAY START OUT TO GET A NON-SOVIET TARGET, ONCE YOU LET THEM GO, YOU CAN NEVER REALLY BE SURE WHAT THEY WILL DO."

Bob Hurwitch, the memo mentions, "seemed to favor the approach that attacks and sabotage should appear to come from inside rather than outside Cuba."

Rather incredulously, Chase concludes, "The Committee came to no decision on this one. More thinking is needed." Indeed.

On the same April 3rd day Gordon Chase wrote that memo to McBundy, RFK met with his Russian ambassador Dobrynin and reported to the President that, "We exchanged pleasantries. He told me that Norman Cousins had asked to see Khrushchev and he had arranged it…Another point that was made was a sharp and bitter criticism about the raids that had taken place against Russian ships."

It is noted that, "[3. On March 26, anti-Castro group L-66 sunk the Baku, a Russian vessel, at the Cuban harbor of Caibarien only a week after another Soviet ship had been attacked in a Cuban port.]"

"These were piratical acts and the United States must take responsibility for them. It isn't possible," RFK quoted Dobrynin, "to believe that if we really wanted to stop these raids that we could not do so. They were glad to hear of the steps that are being taken lately but in the last analysis the specific acts, namely, the arrests that we made would be the criteria by which they would judge our sincerity. The Soviet Union questions whether in fact we wish to end these attacks for our criticism of them has been not that they were wrong but they were ineffective. The clear implication was that if the raids had been effective they would have had our approval."

About a week later, on April 9, 1963, Joseph A. Califano, Special Assistant to the Secretary of the Army wrote a memo to his boss, Cyrus R. Vance, which White describes as, "JFK decides which of the covert operations proposed him (See previous docs) would be carried out."

Under the Subject, "President Action on Special Group Items Concerning Cuba," Califano checks off the items, beginning with, "1. The President rejected the balloon item on the recommendations of Ed Morrow," so the project that was "well underway," was scuttled before it could get off the ground because JFK talked about it with Ed Morrow.

"The President approved the propaganda item (inciting Cubans to harass, attack and sabotage Soviet military personnel in Cuba) provided every precaution is taken to prevent attribution."

"The President approved the sabotage of cargos on Cuban ships and the crippling of ships (through sand in the gears, etc.); With respect to Russian language broadcasts, the President (a) rejected such broadcasts by exile groups over Radio Caribe in the Domincian Republic, ( rejected black intrusion on the use of such broadcasts on Radio Liberty from North Carolina, pending consultation with Lleweellyn Thompson."

"We have also agreed with CIA that we would spot about 20 inductees now in training at Fort Jackson whom we consider to have the necessary characteristics for CIA operations inside Cuba. These personnel, along with those given jump training under 5 above, would also be used in advance of the introduction of Special Forces, should there be a decision to invade Cuba."

Sterling J. Cottrell, the Coordinator of Cuban Affairs to the Special Group, wrote a memo on April 18, 1963, which White says, "reviews current covert actions against Castro and poses the question whether these actions should be intensified."

Under SUBJECT: "Proposed New Covert Policy and Program Toward Cuba," Cottrell wrote, "A. The following guidelines are being used in our present covert policy towards Cuba: 1. Producing comprehensive intelligence related to our basic policy objectives….2. Intensifying covert collection of intelligence within Cuba, especially within the regime. 3. Supporting the efforts of certain Cuban exiles, who are associated with the original aims of the 26 of July Movement [1. A reference to the original effort to spark a revolution in Cuba when Castro and his cohorts tried to seize the Moncada military barracks in 1953.] and who believe that the Castro regime can be overthrown from within in order that they may: 1) cause a split in the leadership of the retime… create a political base of opposition…4) The use of a variety of propaganda media to stimulate passive resistance….5) The placing of incendiary devices and/or explosives with suitable time delay within the hull or cargo to disable or sink Cuban vessels and/or damage their cargos while on the high seas…6) Introduce abrasives and other damaging material…."

Cottrell then poses the questions, "1) Should the U.S. move beyond the above policy to a program of sabotage, harassment and resistance activities? 2) What kind of effective action can be taken? 3) What capabilities do we possess? 4) What repercussions can we expect?"

In this memo, Cottrell also says, "Surface attacks by maritime assets firing on Cuban ships in Cuban waters. When the maritime asset cannot reach the target, shore based attacks on shipping in port or passing the offshore keys will be undertaken….Considerations: Attack craft from the sea would be manned by Cubans. Shore based attacks by paramilitary trained Cubans firing on ships with recoilless rifles, rocket launchers or 20mm cannon. First sea attack in May and once monthly thereafter. First shore based attack in June. These operations would disrupt coastal commerce. US would probably be blamed. Cuban reprisal measures possible. Soviets likely allege US culpability….Externally mounted hit and run attacks against land targets. Examples: molasses tanker, petroleum storage dumps, naval refueling base, refineries, power plants."

Under "Considerations," Cottrell notes, "Operations conducted by Cubans with paramilitary training. High possibilities of complex operations going awry. First attack in April, with one per month thereafter. Effects would be increased exile morale, some economic disruption. Repercussions would include charges of US sponsorship and increased Cuban security force activities…"

Cottrell includes an attachment on the subject of "A Covert Harassment/Sabotage Program against Cuba," which states, "This paper presents a covert Harassment/Sabotage program targeted against Cuba: including are those sabotage plans which have previously been approved as well as new proposals…Loses in men and equipment with the attendant adverse publicity must be expected. Even without such loses, US attribution would be claimed. When policy and guidelines of the overall sabotage program are established, it will be possible progressively to develop up to a limit additional covert assets and support capabilities. However, materially to increase the pace of operations, a period of four to six months is required. Ultimate limiting factors are weather, length of 'dark of the moon' period each month and appropriate targets. A source of additional agent personnel is from Cuban personnel trained by the US Military Forces under the recent programs, but released to civilian status…."

That April 29th 1963, RFK and members of the Standing Group of the National Security Council met in Washington at 5pm, but the memo prepared by McGeorge Bundy has yet to be declassified and released, other than its title: "A Sketch of the Cuban Alternatives."

The same day, JFK sent a memo to Secretary of Defense McNamara, pressing his request for the military to develop contingency plans for Cuba. JFK wrote, "Are we keeping our Cuban contingency invasion plans up to date? I notice that there have been a number of new judgments on the amount of equipment that the Cubans have. I thought last October the number of troops we planned to have available was rather limited and the success of the operation was dependent upon, in large measure, our two airborne divisions getting in and controlling the two airfields. It seems to be that we should strengthen our contingency plans on this operation."

In Washington, on June 8, 1963, an unidentified CIA officer wrote a paper for the Standing Group of the National Security Council on the Subject of "Proposed Covert Policy and Integrated Program of Action Towards Cuba."

"Submitted herewith is a covert program for Cuba within the CIA's capabilities. Some parts of the program have already been approved and are being implemented. Being closely inter-related, the total cumulative impact of the courses of action set forth in this program is dependent upon the simultaneous coordinated execution of the individual courses of action."

"This program," the officer notes, "is based on the assumption that current U.S. policy does not contemplate outright military intervention in Cuba or a provocation which can be used as a pretext for an invasion of Cuba by United States military forces. It is further assumed that U.S. policy calls for the exertion of maximum pressure by all means available to the U.S. government, short of military intervention…"

In the "Discussion of Components of an Integrated Program," they mention the collection of covert intelligence, propaganda actions "to stimulate low-risk sabotage and other forms of passive resistance," and the "exploitation and stimulation of disaffection in the Cuban military."

As for General sabotage and harassment, "These operations will be conducted either by externally held assets [Note: Presumably a reference to Cuban émigrés] now available or existing external assets or those to be developed. Assets trained and controlled by the CIA will be used as well as selected autonomous exile groups. Initially, the emphasis will be on the use of externally held assets with a shift to internal assets as soon as operational feasible…."

Under "Support of autonomous anti-Castro Cuban groups to supplement and assist in the execution of the above courses of action," six items are listed. "1) It is the keystone of the autonomous operations that they will be executed exclusively by Cuban national motivated by the conviction that the overthrow of the Castro/Communist regime must be accomplished by Cubans both inside and outside Cuba acting in consonance."

"2) The effort will probably cost many Cuban lives. If this cost in lives becomes unacceptable to the U.S. conscience, autonomous operations can be effectively halted by the withdraw of US support, but once halted, it cannot be resumed."

"3) All autonomous operations will be mounted from outside the territory of the United States."

"4) The United States Government must be prepared to deny publicly any participation in these acts no matter how loud or even how accurate may be the reports of US complicity."

"5) The US presence and direct participation in the operation would be kept to an absolute minimum….

"6) These operations would not be undertaken within a fixed time schedule."

The very day that the CIA prepared this paper for the Standing Group of the NSC, June 8, 1963, a team of Cubans led by Eddie Bayo and Americans (John Martino, Richard Billings) left Florida aboard William Pawley's boat the Flying Tiger II, on a mission to the Cuban coast near Baracoa, where Bayo and his men were infiltrated.

William Turner, [in Rearview Mirror, p. 194] reports, "In 1995 ex-Cuban security chief General Fabian Escalante told me that Bayo's boat was found swamped near Baracoa, but there were no signs of its occupants."

On June 19, 1963, JFK held a meeting at the White House concerning the "Proposed Covert Policy and Integrated Program of Action towards Cuba." Present were Higher Authority (JFK), Secretary McNamara, Under Secretary Harriman, Mr. McCone, Mr. McGeorge Bundy, Mr. Thomas Parrott, Mr. Desmond FitzGerald and Air Force Chief of Staff, Gen. W. F. McKee.

According to the report of the meeting, prepared by Desmond FitzGerald, "The program as recommended by the Standing Group of the NSC was presented briefly to Higher Authority who showed a particular interest in proposed external sabotage operations. He was shown charts indicating typical targets for this program and a discussion of the advantages and disadvantages ensued. It is well recognized that there would be failures and a considerable noise level….Mr. Bundy described the integrated nature of the program presented and made the point that, having made a decision to go ahead, we be prepared to give the program a real chance. Mr. Harriman stated that the program would b 'reviewed weekly' by the Special Group…."

"Higher Authority," the report notes, "asked how soon we could get into action with the external sabotage program and was told that we should be able to conduct our first operation in the dark-of-the-moon period in July although he was informed that we would prefer to start the program with some caution selecting softer targets to begin with. Higher Authority said this was a matter of our judgment. Although at one stage in the discussion Higher Authority said that we should move ahead with the program 'this summer' it is believed that Mr. Bundy will be able to convince him that this is not a sufficiently long trial period to demonstrate what the program can do."

Although there is a break in the official records so far released, the Summer of 1963 was extremely active, especially in New Orleans and Florida, where the Cuban émigrés "externally held assets" prepared to be infiltrated to Cuba and CIA backed marine raiders deposited commandos and assassins in Cuba and Russian, Cuban and some neutral ships were attacked at sea.

The covert operations devised and approved by the Standing Committee of the National Security Council, Sterling J. Cottrell and the Special Group, Cuban Coordinating Committee Covert Operations in Cuba (CCC-COC) and the President, were now operational, and because the Cuban assets were penetrated by the Cubans, the fact that these operations were approved at the highest levels of government was known to the Russian leaders. And it was a card they had to play. .....

FOR THE COMPLETE ARTICLE - JFK ASSASSINTION - THE ADMINISTRAIVE DETAILS SEE:

Edited August 25, 2010 by William Kelly

William Kelly · October 24, 2010

Bill, I don't know if the 1902 wedding announcement is related, but the names of both the bride and groom seem more than a coincidence. John has the middle name as "Sunderland" http://www.spartacus...FKcampbellG.htm

Perhaps some forum members living in the UK can come up with info on Gordon Campbell's university days or more about his parents. The Baltimore Sun piece adds some names and confirms Campbell's WWII service. The only confirmations we have that the 1943 wedding announcement (Capt. Gordon S. Campbell of military intelligence...) is of this Gordon Campbell are from the book I linked to in my last post, and footnote #440 in the book, "Who Killed Bobby?: The Unsolved Murder of Robert F. Kennedy," by Shane O'Sullivan, and from this.:

http://articles.balt...rote/featured/4
...And then there was one

By James H. Bready | January 8, 1993

LAST month's wish list went not to St. Nicholas but to St. Louis. To round up the guys from World War II one last time, first they have to be located. Maj. Gordon Sutherland Campbell, our commanding officer from Fort DuPont all the way to Pilsen, are you still living? Capt. Frederick R. Rutledge, last heard of selling insurance in Texas, are you in retirement somewhere?Lt. Pat Curry, the funniest man in the unit, are you still in law enforcement somewhere outside New York City?Soon it'll be a half century since the l7 of us assembled at that staging area in Delaware, to form a corps intelligence detachment.

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Albert R. Bowen Jr., 84, lawyer, decorated veteran

July 04, 2006|By FREDERICK N. RASMUSSEN | FREDERICK N. RASMUSSEN,SUN REPORTER

...When he was admitted to the Maryland bar in 1941, Mr. Bowen was a claims adjuster for Insurance Co. of North America. He entered the Army that year.

He was assigned to the Counter Intelligence Corps at the War Department in Washington, and after graduating in 1942 from Officer Candidate School at Fort Benning, Ga., he joined VIII Corps at its headquarters in Texas.

In 1943, he was sent to England as a counterintelligence detachment commander with VIII Corps and landed on Utah Beach, at Normandy, on June 12, 1944, six days after the D-Day invasion.

"Our mission was the security of Allied forces from the activities of spies, agents and saboteurs," said James H. Bready, a retired Evening Sun editorial writer and counterintelligence officer whose command was attached to Mr. Bowen's after the Battle of the Bulge in 1945.

"And here was this good guy from Baltimore. After the war, I joined the Army Reserve and Al was the commanding officer of the 338th Counter Intelligence Corps detachment in Baltimore," Mr. Bready said. "He was an outstanding character with a sharp sense of humor and could talk about World War II without becoming a bore."

Mr. Bowen earned the Bronze Star for meritorious service in military operations in France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany, as well as five battle stars for his World War II service.

"I think because the very nature of his service was very secretive, he told us only a few stories," said his son, Albert Rodney "Duke" Bowen III of Parkton.

"One he told was of being behind enemy lines and trying to dodge Gen. George S. Patton's advance and firepower. Another was during a shelling by mortars, Dad was in a building hiding under one table while Patton, wearing his pearl-handled pistols, was right next to him under another table."

Mr. Bowen remained an active reservist and was commander of the 396th Military Intelligence Security Company in Baltimore from 1959 until his retirement as colonel in 1977.

Bill, James H Bready is a retired journalist who served under Gordon Sutherland Campbell until the end of WWII. He was quoted in a Baltimore Sun article as recently as in 2009....

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Campbell -- Sutherland.

November 9, 1902, Sunday

EAST ORANGE, N.J., Nov. 8 -- In the residence of Mr. and Mrs. Alexander Matheson Sutherland, 64 Carnegie Avenue, this afternoon, their daughter, Miss Florence Helena M. Sutherland, was married to Charles Stewart F. Campbell of Glen Ridge by the Rev. Oscar F. Moore, assistant rector of Grace Episcopal Church...

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MRS. GH WILLIAMS WED IN GREENWICH Z; Becomes Bride 5f Capt. GS i ...

- New York Times - Apr 10, 1943

... April 9-Mrs. Gertrude Hoxie Williams, daughter of Mr. and . I. Richmond Hoxie, was married this afternoon at Appleyard, the residence o' her parents here,

to Captain Gordon S. Campbell of the ilitary Intelligence Service. The ceremony was performed by the Rev. Theodore Posselt of Mamaro .

The bride was attended by her sister, Mrs. Marsden B. Candler of I-Iewlett Neck,

L. LL Richmond Hoxie Jr., brother of the bride, was best man. A small reception was i given. Thp. bride and bridegroom will i reside in Greenwich. !rs .Campbell and her former husband, Harvey Ladew Williams, to whom she was ,arried in 1927, were divorced recently.

Captain Campbell also had been married previously, that -u:on terminating in divorce. He is a son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Stewart F. Campbell of London, and was graduated from Oxford University. j.

Hey Tom, I think we are getting somewhere.

Could the 1902 wedding be Gordon Campbell's parents?

It seems like James Bready is writing about our guy.

I emailed the Maryland Historical Society to see if I can get a contact number for him.

Isn't there anything about the 222nd or XXII Corps unit histories on line?

Bready says they went from Fort DuPont to Pilsen.

Fort DuPont was a Army Reserve training ground and POW camp during WWII.

Pilsen was liberated by Patton's Third Army.

BK

http://query.nytimes...9679D946397D6CF

Special To The New York Times.

November 9, 1902, Sunday

Page 7, 961 words

EAST ORANGE, N.J., Nov. 8 -- In the residence of Mr. and Mrs. Alexander Matheson Sutherland, 64 Carnegie Avenue, this afternoon, their daughter, Miss Florence Helena M. Sutherland, was married to Charles Stewart F. Campbell of Glen Ridge by the Rev. Oscar F. Moore, assistant rector of Grace Episcopal Church. The bride was given away by her father. Her gown was of white satin cut entraine and trimmed with point lace. The matron of honor was Mrs. Van Ryck, sister of the bride. She wore an imported costume of rainbow chiffon and carried chrystanthemums. The bridesmades were Miss Emily Allen and Beretha Kellog of Elesibeth. Miss Katherine Palmer of New York and Miss Mary Bradley of Orange. The gowns were of white mousseline de sole and they carried chrystanthemums. The best man was Frederick Holden Sutton of New York and the ushers were Charles Bartlett and James Taylor Green and Roger Dodd of New York and Chauncey Sayer of Orange. The gifts of the bride and bridegroom to the bridal party were gold key rings, each with a latchkey to their new residence. A reception followed the ceremony. Mr. and Mrs. Campbell will reside in Glenn Ridge.

And then there was one

By James H. Bready | January 8, 1993

LAST month's wish list went not to St. Nicholas but to St. Louis. To round up the guys from World War II one last time, first they have to be located.Maj. Gordon Sutherland Campbell, our commanding officer from Fort DuPont all the way to Pilsen, are you still living? Capt. Frederick R. Rutledge, last heard of selling insurance in Texas, are you in retirement somewhere? Lt. Pat Curry, the funniest man in the unit, are you still in law enforcement somewhere outside New York City?Soon it'll be a half century since the l7 of us assembled at that staging area in Delaware, to form a corps intelligence detachment.

James H. Bready to tell him of the purchase and ask for a chance to share some with a man who has, unwittingly, been an enormous inspiration to these web pages and to so many others interested in the history of the rye whiskey industry in Maryland.

Jim Bready is not terribly well-known outside of the greater Baltimore area, but within those confines he had been a familiar daily encounter for millions, among several generations of Baltimoreans. Seen here in a 2006 photo, Bready has spent well over fifty years as an editorialist and columnist for Baltimore's Sun newspapers, and he still occasionally contributes articles. He was also the Baltimore correspondent for Time, Life, and Fortune magazines and the author of This Parish Under God, a history of the Church of the Redeemer and The Home Team, a history of baseball in Baltimore. In 1990, he wrote a comprehensive article on the history of the pre-Prohibition Maryland rye spirits industry for the Maryland Historical Society and the Library of Maryland History. The article was published in the Winter 1990 issue of the Maryland Historical Magazine. A couple years ago, Linda obtained an original copy of that magazine and it has been a never-diminishing fountain of information and knowledge concerning the whiskey business in Baltimore and all of Maryland. Other sources we've tapped in our search for information have often turned out to be quoting from or obviously influenced by this work. Jim Bready is eighty-five (or so) years young, and he is quite aware of his body's limitations and fragilities. There's nothing fragile or foggy about his mind, though, and if it recognizes any limits at all they sure aren't apparent this afternoon! He even brings along a bottle of Maryland rye from his collection, made by John H. Farber sometime before 1900, as his own contribution to the party's fare, despite being the guest of honor.

Jim Bready is eighty-five (or so) years young, and he is quite aware of his body's limitations and fragilities. There's nothing fragile or foggy about his mind, though, and if it recognizes any limits at all they sure aren't apparent this afternoon! He even brings along a bottle of Maryland rye from his collection, made by John H. Farber sometime before 1900, as his own contribution to the party's fare, despite being the guest of honor.

Fred Rutledge Sr., 87, of crystal River

Fred R. Rutledge Sr., 87, of Crystal River died Thursday, May 25, 2000, at Cypress Cove Care Center in Crystal River. Born in Sedalia, Mo., to F.W. and Maggie D. (Jackson) Rutledge on Feb. 24, 1913, he came here 26 years ago from Tampa. He was a retired salesman. He was a U.S. Army veteran serving in World War II and the Korean conflict. Surviving are; one son, Fred R. Rutledge Jr. of W. Yorkshire, England and four daughters. Strickland Funeral Home, Crystal River.

William Kelly · October 24, 2010

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Dinner Key originally served as base of operations for Pan American Airway's famed flying boats, the Clippers, and plenty of history has been retained in the area. The original Pan Am terminal building (next door to Dinner Key Marina) now serves as Miami City Hall, although it has retained its historic charm. Nearby is Villa Vizcaya, former home of International Harvester founder James Deering and now a public museum. A short walk from the marina lands you in the heart of Coconut Grove village, where you'll find a fashionable retail and entertainment district, along with the world renowned CocoWalk.

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Dinner Key is served by the Miami Metrorail at the Douglas Road Station and the Coconut Grove Station.

A United States Naval Air Station was established on Dinner Key in 1917. NAS Dinner Key, commanded by Lt. Cdr. Marc Mitscher, was the second largest naval air facility in the U.S. and was used to train seaplane pilots.^[2]^[3] The Air Station was closed shortly after the end of World War I and taken over by commercial operators. The Navy returned to Dinner Key during World War II, operating there from 1943 until 1945.

Dinner Key served as a base for Pan American World Airways's flying boats during the 1930s and 1940s. It was one of the world's largest airports and the main hub for air traffic between North and South America. After the technological advances of World War II and the construction of suitable airports in South America made seaplanes largely obsolete, Pan Am transferred its operations to Miami International Airport.

The United States Coast Guard operated an Air Station at Dinner Key from 1932 until 1965, when operations were transferred to the Opa-locka Airport. The former barracks and mess building were added to the U.S. National Register of Historic Places on August 10, 1995.^[4]

One of Pan Am's hangars was used for many years as an exhibition hall and auditorium, the Dinner Key Auditorium. This was the site of the incident in 1969 in which Jim Morrison of the Doors was arrested for exposing himself to the audience.^[5] On December 19, 2002, it was added to the U.S. National Register of Historic Places.^[4]

Today, Dinner Key is used primarily as a marina. Three of Pan Am's original four hangars remain in use for boat storage. The old Pan Am terminal building has served as the Miami City Hall since 1954.^[6] It was added to the U.S. National Register of Historic Places on February 20, 1975.^[

Timeline results for dinner key marina history1969 My favorite Dinner Key 1960's history ocurred on March 1, 1969 at the Dinner Key Auditorium when Jim Morrison was arrested for exposing himself.<BR sb_id="ms__id1349">coconutgrovegrapevine.blogspot.com

In Florida, Cuban refugees arrived daily by leaky boats, homemade rafts, even floating barrels. A CIA reception and debriefing center in the Keys directed many of them to Miami's Dinner Key, where the Frente Revolucionario Democratico (FRD), the Cuban government-in-exile established by the CIA, had opened a recruiting office.

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According to Kirtland, after the Bay of Pigs disaster, the CIA's operational presence along the river became much less visible but continued nonetheless. He remembers hearing about work being done for a company called Transworld Marine, linked to a man named Gordon Campbell. (Campbell was JM/WAVE's maritime operations chief and lived, appropriately enough, on a boat at the Dinner Key Marina.) "I think it was fairly common knowledge when you'd find people out to buy fast boats, what it was for," he says. "Transworld Marine purchased boats, new construction out of New Orleans, that were used for follow-up operations. Gordon Campbell, if my memory serves me correctly, purchased one out of New Orleans. Name of the boat was Cutlass. That boat stayed around well after the Bay of Pigs."

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October 24, 2010

Bill tries to defend an irresponsible position with weak arguments that I have already addressed. Since he claims to have read my study, he knows that, in offering a critique of DiEugenio's observations, I explained why Summer's comments do not apply in this case. We are not talking about still photographs but videotape that shows them walking, talking, and (more importantly) interacting. As for solving one crime before moving on to another, that is about as silly a remark as I can imagine. Not only are different investigators capable of pursuing different crimes, but some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time. Two persons can investigate one crime apiece at the same time, while one person can study two crimes at the same time -- especially when they are linked.

Bill, I think, has not appreciated the force of the argument that I have elaborated here, which suggests I should outline its logical structure. While O'Sullivan is convinced that Campbell is "Roman", he only took the word of the Roman family that Joannides was "Owens". And the only case for Morales being a Bulova executive is that he was observed (by Rabern) interacting with Campbell and Cambell was observed (in footage) also interacting with Joannides. Since members of the Roman family (on the assumption that it was real) were equivocal about the identification, I think Shane has gone beyond the evidence in the strength of his belief.

But the important measure of the strength of the evidence is comparing the hypotheses that they were the CIA officials we are discussing or that they were instead Bulova Watch executives. What is the probability that, if they were Morales, Joannides, and Campbell, then they would look like Morales, Joannides, and Campbell, be interacting together and with police, be observing witnesses speaking with reporters, and be observed (by Rabern) having extensive contact with members of the Los Angeles Police Department over an extended period of time prior to the assassination at the Ambassador?

Presumably, the answer to that is obvious: the probability that, if they were Morales, Joannides, and Campbell, those effects of that cause would be very high, which in turn means that the likelihood of that cause (hypothesis), given those effects (as evidence) is very high. If, instead, we are talking about Bulova Watch executives, what is the probability that they would look like Morales, Joannieds, and Campbell, be interacting together and with police, be observing witnesses speaking with reporters, and be observed (by Rabern) having extensive contact with members of the Los Angeles Police Department over an extended period of time prior to the assassination at the Ambassador? That probability has to be very low.

The likelihood of an hypothesis h, given evidence e, is equal to the probability of e on the assumption that h is true. So if h1 is that they are these CIA officials and h2 is that they are Bulova Watch executives as the alternative -- which is the only alternative explanation that has surfaced -- then, since one hypothesis is preferable to another when it has a higher likelihood, clearly h1 is preferable to h2, which means that it provides a better explanation for the available evidence. When the evidence has, as it were, "settled down" and points in the same direction, the preferable hypothesis is also acceptable (in the tentative and fallible fashion of science), which appears to be the case here, since the more we examine the evidence, the stronger support for h1 becomes and the weaker for h2. h1, absent new evidence or alternative hypotheses, is thus acceptable.

Because O'Sullivan insists that Campbell is "Roman", even though, in my opinion, he does not look that much like "Roman", if we accept that Brad is most unlikely to be wrong in identifying the man who served as his case officer at JM/WAVE from May 1963 to December 1964 -- and for whom we have independent testimony (from Clines and from Rabern) that he did not die in 1962 -- then logic dictates that Campbell and Roman are one and the same. Thus, since we have already established, by the weight of the available evidence, that we are dealing with Morales, Joannides, and Campbell, the additional conclusion follows (if we assume O'Sullivan is right) that at least one of the was also a Bulova Watch executive, which, all things considered, would not be entirely surprising. That thus appears to be the situation we are in from the point of view of logic and evidence.

Bill,

Thanks for taking the time. What I don't understand is that you REJECT the testimony of the "important JFK witnesses" who SUPPORT the identification of the three CIA officials at the Ambasador. But the only way they are "discredited" is IF THEY ARE WRONG. It might be helpful after all of the evidence I have laid out here that you explain why you hold this position: " . . . while I don't agree that the three men at the Ambassador are the three CIA officers, I do think this whole thing is a scheme to discredit a number of important JFK assassination witnesses - including Wayne Smith, who knew both Morales and David Atlee Phillips when he worked at the US Embassy in Havana during the Castro revolution, Brad Ayers - US Army Ranger assigned to train anti-Castro Cubans in small boat tactics and operations at JMWAVE in the summer and fall of 1963, and Ed Lopez and Dan H., two HSCA lawyers who actually tried to get to the truth despite the objections of the beauracracy and powers that be." if these witnesses are credible, as you imply, then why are you discounting their identifications at the Ambassador? And I dare say we will never have more direct proof of the complicity of the CIA in an assassination than we have here. So why do you think "the whole Ambassador deal should be dropped"? I am more than puzzled, because your position appears to me to be incoherent from a logical point of view. Surely this kind of proof ought to be widely publicized, not "dropped" -- which would be a blunder!

Jim.

For one, as Tony Summers and others have pointed out, identificaitons made on the basis of photographs and such film aren't positive and often wrong. In addition, I'm not familiar with the evidence in the RFK or MLK assassinations as I think that one should concentrate on solving one homicide at a time. Though there is some evidence that overlaps and the three cases might be connected, the JFK case is closer to be resolved at this point in time. You are barking up the wrong tree. The right tree is JMWAVE and the branches that extend into Dealey Plaza.

Those who want to pursue the RFK assassination and the idea these men were there can certainly do so, but I think anyone seriously interested should concentrate on the three men - their jobs at JMWAVE, and the roles they played at Dealey Plaza, and the idea that they were also at the Ambassador is an unnecessary distraction from what is most certainly a key element in resolving the truth in the JFK assassination.

BK

Special Reports Last Updated: Oct 19th, 2010 - 23:02:09

RFK: Outing the CIA at the Ambassador*

By Jim Fetzer

Online Journal Contributing Writer

Oct 18, 2010, 00:19

http://onlinejournal...icle_6464.shtml

* Special thanks to Brad Ayers, Shane O'Sullivan, and Kenneth

Watson for feedback.

Okay, I read it and while I don't agree that the three men at the Ambassador are the three CIA officers, I do think this whole thing is a scheme to discredit a number of important JFK assassintion witnesses - including Wayne Smith, who knew both Morales and David Atlee Phillips when he worked at the US Embassy in Havana during the Castro revolution, Brad Ayers - US Army Ranger assigned to train anti-Castro Cubans in small boat tactics and operations at JMWAVE in the summer and fall of 1963, and Ed Lopez and Dan H., two HSCA lawyers who actually tried to get to the truth despite the objections of the beauracracy and powers that be.

And while I think David Talbot and Jeff Morley could have refocused their joint inquiry and took it to where it should have gone - into the identify and background of the three men - especially Gordon Campbell, they too could have been victims of this scam.

You are absolutly right however, in noting that after coming up with Gordon Campbell's death certificate, and getting a former CIA officer to acknowldge that Campbell was not Shackley's deputy, as Brad Ayers thought, it is rather interesting to learn that he was a Contract Agent assigned to get Cubans into and out of Cuba, something the yatchtsman apparently did rather well.

But if Campbell died in 1962, who was the guy at JMWAVE using the same name, and operating as Shackley's deputy, and coordinating the actions of the anti-Castro Cuban terrorists that were going in and out of Cuba on missions?

Who was THAT Gordon Campbell? And why didn't David Talbot and Jeff Morely at least try to find out?

He was a yachtsman, a yachtsman with a beautiful wife who drank martinis, a yachtsman with a yacht, a big sailboat that was kept at the marina that Brad Ayers visited, where it could be learned the name of the yacht, and the name would then give up a paper trail of dock payments, insurance, previous and later ownership of the yacht, and tell us more about this mysterious Gordon Campbell, who wasn't the guy who died the previous year.

I think that the whole Ambassador Hotel deal should be dropped - ( unless someone wants to chase the Buliva Watch leads), but the roles of these men - Gordon Campbell, Joannides and Morales, both at JMWAVE and at Dealey Plaza, should be investigated much more thoroughly than what's been done so far.

Bill Kelly

October 24, 2010

This post and my last are reposted from the thread about Shane O'Sullivan in the section devoted to "Robert Kennedy" because they are directly relevant to the discussion here. Bill seems to be laboring under the impression that discussion of Ayers and Smith's identifications of Morales, Campbell, and Joannides somehow DISCREDITS THEM as JFK witnesses. I hope he will explain his reasoning, because they are adamant about their identifications and stand by them to this day. Is it Bill's opinion that Ayers and Smith, in offering their IDs, are involved in a plot to discredit themselves? I find this more than a little odd.

Let me emphasize that I admire Shane O'Sullivan for his dedication to unraveling the truth about the death of Bobby Kennedy. The only exception that I would take to his otherwise valuable remarks is the claim that "nothing" has taken place in relation to RFK research since his book and DVD. Understanding a case involves applying reason to the evidence. If what I have produced provides a more coherent analysis of the evidence, then that is a considerable advance! It is most certainly not "nothing"! So if anyone wants to tackle my argument, as it is laid out in my article and summarized above, then let them do so. Because unless my premises are false or my reasoning is faulty, my conclusion -- that the three men at the Ambassaor were Morales, Joannides, and Campbell -- provides the best supported explanation of the evidence and ought to be accepted (albeit in the tentative and fallible fashion of science). If Bill Kelly or anyone else wants to challenge my arguments, then by all means do so by identifying the premises I have taken to be true when they are actually false or the flawed reasoning I employed in deriving my conclusion. I find it beyond belief when someone like Bill Kelly simply takes for granted that "he knows better" when he hasn't even bothered to study the evidence, a practice I have found to be all-too-common on this forum. If we are unwilling to acknowledge advances when they are made, then no "advances" will ever be made! And establishing the truth about complicated cases like this is a different -- and prior question -- to what can be done about it, once the truth is known. Bradley Ayers and Wayne Smith are not going to change their minds about the identity of those they knew and observed in video footage from the Ambassador. The very idea that this could be a plot to discredit them as JFK witnesses is simply absurd. Moreover, if their testimony had that effect, it would have nothing to do with me or Shane or anyone else who is trying to establish who was responsible for Bobby's death. Their testimony has long been public and well-known. Mediocre and thoughtless reflections about important developments in sorting things out does not advance the cause of truth and justice for RFK or for JFK! If forums like this one are going to make any difference, then we have to do much better than that.

Bill, please read the book. You continue to speak about wild goose chases and scams without having read what was developed two years ago on these guys.

In the book, you'll see from how events unfolded, that there was no scam, so please show some respect for myself and Bradley Ayers and stop referring to it that way. I don't question the sincerity of Talbot and Morley in presenting my evidence in December 2006 to David Remnick at the New Yorker and persuading him to commission a further investigation. So I didn't manufacture a scam, neither did they, nor did the witnesses themselves.

Both Talbot and I felt at the time that we were onto something but the New Yorker investigation produced negative results that led Talbot and Morley into a cul-de-sac. They drew different conclusions to Jim Fetzer but also made some blunders (the Gordon Campbell birth certificate having little to do with the man Ayers knew etc). But there was no scam, as far as I can see - it was an honest attempt to investigate all this as thoroughly as possible, at the risk of being proved wrong, in search of the truth in the case. From the information developed, different researchers will draw their own subjective conclusions.

I agree with you, the conflicting evidence on the Ambassador IDs would not stand up in court, so I have advised those working on reopening the RFK case to steer clear of it until we have more persuasive information. I spent two years researching that aspect of the case, Morley and Talbot spent six weeks travelling round the country, what have you done? Why don't you trace the yacht or find Shackley's secretary "Maggie" or call Porter Goss? If Morley and Talbot left leads unchecked, why don't you follow them up?

I took this story as far as I could, I would be delighted to see yourself or Jim Fetzer add some new research to the mix. But in the two and a half years since my book was completed, nothing new has been done in this area. Nothing.

The order in which we solve political assassinations is irrelevant. With Bill Pepper's involvement as Sirhan's attorney, the RFK case is the most active at the moment and the convicted assassin is still alive.

You say: "And if a court of law won't even look at the videos to make a determination why should we?" Well, I thought the point of a research forum was developing research to the point where it can be of value in a court of law and supporting each other in that process. We have so much new information about Morales, Joannides and Campbell as a result of the Ambassador investigations than we did before. It's in the book.

While I don't agree with Jim Fetzer's position on the Ambassador investigations, he's read the available material and is entitled to his view. Bradley Ayers and Wayne Smith stand by their identifications and I stand by what I said in my book. If you want to contribute, please go into the field and follow up the leads you think are outstanding, as the rest of us have done. If you don't wish to contribute, please stop throwing around ill-informed accusations until you've read the available material.

William Kelly · July 16, 2011

Gordon Campbell

Captain, United States Navy

From a contemporary press report:

Captain Gordon Campbell, United States Navy (Ret.) died December 5, 2000. His ashes will be inurned at Arlington National Cemetery.

Born on October 1, 1905 in Washington, D.C. he grew up in Honolulu, Hawaii, Fort Stevens, Georgia., and other Army Posts.

After prepping at Merion Institute in Alabama, he entered the U.S. Naval Academy, graduating in 1926. He served on surface ships and submarines, his last command being the heavy cruiser USS Columbus.

After retirement from the Navy in 1956 he was employed at Wright Machinery Co. until 1963.

He is survived by his wife Addo S. Campbell, daughter, Jayne C. Byal of Fort Lauderdale, Fla., four grandchildren, and three great grandchildren.

Posted: 14 October 2001 Updated: 20 November 2005

GORDON CAMPBELL – (Bradley Ayers, The Zenith Secret)

p.38:

On Monday I went to the station early, hoping to get a good start on my after-action report. I was beginning to organize my thoughts about the mission….Ted Shackley wanted as few people as possible to know about my trip to Cuba. I asked his secretary Maggy, who else might see my after-action report. I was most concerned about David Morales' reaction to my critical observations…. 'Dave is away in Mexico. Possibly Gordon will see it.'"

"I knew she was referring to Gordon Campbell, the deputy chief of station, who I had not met yet."

p. 45:

"Before leaving for the Keys, I stopped by the station to pick up a few supplies. There was a note on my desk. I was to see Gordon Campbell, the deputy chief of station before leaving. I'd never met him. What the hell? I thought. Campbell's office was in the building next to Ted Shackley's. But when I got there, Maggy told me to go to the second floor of the old barracks, a floor above my own office in the training branch. I'd never been in that area of the building."

"I walked back to my building and went upstairs. Campbell's office was well-decorated, with all sorts of Zenith Technical Enterprises corporate plaques, alleged product displays, photos and mementoes. His secretary buzzed him on my arrival and I was escorted into his plush office."

"Campbell came around his desk, introduced himself, and shook my hand. I judged his age to be around 40 and he appeared in robust physical condition. Dressed as if he had just come off the golf course, tanned, clean shaven, with a trim build, balding blond hair, and penetrating blue eyes, he greeted me cordially. I liked him immediately."

" 'I've been wanting to meet you and welcome you to the station. I'm sorry it's taken so long. I want to tell you we appreciate what you're working on. I also read your after action report and I think you know what needs to be done.'"

"I told him I'd do my best and we exchanged a few thoughts about the exile training program. As I left his office, he told me to be careful and that he would be seeing me again."

p. 56:

"I attended both briefings. All the branch chiefs were there aw well as Mr. Fitzgerald and Mr. Harvey from Washington accompanied by Ted Shackley and Campbell. David Morales introduced Mr. David Phillips who was identified as a coordinator for the new initiatives with the exile organizations."

p. 80 :

"On the way down US 1, I stopped at the Green Turtle Inn in Islamorada for a bowl of soup. It was early afternoon and most of the lunch crowd had left. But near the back of the restaurant, seated at a large circular table, were Dave Morales, Mr. Harvey, Gordon Campbell, Mr. Phillips, and another man, possibly Rosselli, whose back was turned on me. They apparently had stopped for lunch and drinks. I don't know if they recognized me or not. As was the practice in such situations, within the agency, there was no acknowledgement, either way. Discretely, I got my soup to go and quickly left. It was the first time I had ever seen the station hierarchy in the Keys and out of their air-conditioned offices. It was encouraging., maybe something big was in the offing. I thought."

p. 86:

"…We were going to a meeting place in the Everglades….We pulled into a truck stop at the junction of Tamiami Trail and Hightway 27, and another man – a Cuban who I had never seen before – checked the license of the car and climbed in. No one spoke as we drove down the long, slightly traveled highway and eventually turned onto a dirt road bordered by canal. After about a mile, the driver pulled over. An airboat was waiting in the canal, and in moments we were noisily skimming across the saw grass as dusk settled over the glades…..After nearly 30 minutes of travel across open swampland and deep canals, we turned under some overhanging trees and pulled up to a small dock behind another airboat. A sign on the rotting timbers read 'Waloos Glades Hunting Camp – No Tresspassing.' It was nearly dark, but I could see two small Quonsets with lights burning in the windows. Some men were standing around a campfire in the middle of the clearing, and in its flickering light I could see two helicopter parked in the shadows. One was a military Bell H-13 with the identification numbers taped over, and the other was a civilian chopper with the name West Palm Beach air service on the tail rotor boom."

"We walked to the fire and a young man handed us cups of coffee. I had never seen the men before. Soon the door to one of the Quonsets swung open and four men emerged. As they moved into the circle of firelight I recognized Gordon Campbell. I had seen him only a few times since my brief meeting with him, but had been impressed with his polished, slightly flamboyant executive manner. I caught my breath at the appearance of the second man. It was the attorney general, Robert Kennedy."

"The four men talked in low voices for a few minutes, and then the attorney general came over and shook hands with each of us, wishing us good luck and God's speed on our mission."

"Hell, I didn't even know what my mission was. His white teeth flashed and sparkled, and I felt a strange sense of strength and resolve when he grasped my hand. Then he and one of the Cubans went to the civilian helicopter, an din minutes it took off. Now I understood the need for extra secrecy. If the president felt strongly enough to send his brother, something very big was being planned."

"When the helicopter was gone, the deputy chief of station came over….he said, 'The reason we've got you here and the reason for all the secrecy is that we just got the green light from upstairs to go ahead on some missions we've been planning for some time.'"

"We entered the Quonset….Campbell closed the door behind us and turned to face me. 'We're very pleased with the way you've handled the training setup for the station so far, and we've made that known to your people at the Pentagon. We know it hasn't been easy for you and your family….You'll be happy to know that the Special Group has finally given us permission to use two-man submarines to strike Castro's ships in the harbors. Some of your UDT people will be involved in that. And next week Rip's boys are going to Elgin for parachute training, so an airborne commando raid may not be far off. But right now we've got the go-ahead to hit one of the major oil refineries from on the island. All we've got to do is get a commando force in shape to do the job."

" 'We want you to take a commando force of 12 men and give them six weeks of the toughest, most realistic training you can. We want you to teach them survival and get them physically toughened up. Then we want you to run some exercises for them, and finally, wet up a rehearsal for the actual raid, and do it over and over until they have it down blindfolded. During this six weeks we want you to eat, sleep, and live this mission with the Cubans, 24 hours a day. We want them ready to go by mid-December."

"….We've got a house on the south end of Elliot Key that's never been used…you can run the training from there…..You'll have to keep up with your regular duties in addition to working with this commando group. Again, no one is to know that. David is sometimes a little bit difficult, so you'll deal directly with me on anything you need. Use the telephone, and we'll meet away from the station. After you get set, I'll give you a complete scenario for the mission and as much data as we have on the target itself."

"…. 'My outside man, Karl, will help you with logistics. Take the deliveries and carry the items to the island yourself. Order as little as you have to from logistics, and buy all your own food….Here's the safehouse key and $1,000 to get things moving….'"

"Campbell introduced me to Tony Sforza, the commando team contact man, and Karl…."

p. 92:

"I felt an urgency to discuss the leadership aspect of the mission early on with Mr. Campbell....So I decided to talk to Karl about the problem…Campbell had placed no restrictions on what I might discuss with his right-hand man."

"My trip across the bay was faster than usual, and I arrived at the restaurant near the Coral Castle ahead of our scheduled meeting. I saw Karl, Dave Morales, Rosselli, and Mr. Phillips sitting at a table near the back of the room. When I saw all but Karl leave, three to the same car, I went back to meet him. Over a beer, I told him of my observations with Campbell. Karl was pretty savvy and agreed. On the way back to Black Point I pondered Karl's apparent familiarity with the principal staff at JM/WAVE as I had observed it. I was impressed. Karl was obviously something more than the typical logistics gofer."

p. 93 :

"I stole a few hours extra sleep the next morning, then went out to Coconut Grove, where I was to meet Gordon Campbell. He and his wife lived on a yacht moored at the Dinner Key marina. I walked down a long concrete pier, past sleek, expensive cruisers, and finally found Gordon's boat. Both he and his wife – an attractive bikini-clad silver-haired women – were well into their Sunday afternoon martinis."

"As he mixed me a drink, he asked, 'What do you think of the men? How do they look – morale, interest - you know, guts for the job?'"

"'They look very good so far,' I replied, 'but there's one big problem, the commandos have no real leader. The team is split into two distinct, separate groups of five and six men each…and they seem to want to stay that way. As long as I give orders, there's no problem, but when they're on their own, the so-called leader makes suggestions and the other two follow only if they feel like it. It's too loose to be effective under pressure.'"

" 'Goddamnit, if a leader is a problem, then you find one! The case officer for these boys will be down from Washington in a few weeks. He's been with the Cuban desk studying the situation and he's well-read. Porter is young but he knows his stuff. I've assured him you'd have the team ready to go.'"

"Had I heard right? Somebody who worked behind a desk at Langley was suddenly going to appear on the scene and take over where I left off? Just like that? I'd train them and someone else would step in and simply 'assume' control? I started to say something, but caught myself. This was something totally beyond my control, and no good would come from an argument with Campbell at this point. I took a big swallow of my drink. 'I'll continue to do my best on the leadership situation. Gordon, I can assure you that having a leader would make my own work easier. More importantly, these are good men, and they deserve a good leader."

"The anger passed from his face and he mixed us both another drink. 'All right, let's go below. I have the charts and photos and we'll go over the mission from beginning to end."

"For the better part of the next two hours we pored over refinery blueprints and incredibly detailed U-2 photos and recently smuggled-out snapshots of the target. The time schedule was set in the familiar D-day, H-hour military terminology, and Campbell would not tell me when the raid would be conducted. We had to be ready to go anytime after the first of December. He wanted at least two rehearsals competed by then, and there was little time left."

"Our discussion terminated when Mrs. Campbell came down to the gallery carrying drinks for all of us. She chided us for spending the 'glorious Sunday afternoon' talking business, and threw her heavily oiled, deeply tanned body into her husband's lap. Her obvious attention seeking embarrassed me, so I drank quickly, thanked Gordon, and said I'd contact him."

"It wasn't until I'd left the yacht that I realized Campbell hadn't given me the exact location of the refinery; he's said only that it was on the south central coast of Cuba. It probably had been intentional, I concluded, but I had enough data to get well into advanced training and preliminary rehearsals anyway."

"The mission was a big one, all right, and tough. In a very complex, precisely timed raid, the commandos would destroy the fuel storage tanks, dock, and ship-to-shore product-transfer pipelines of the refinery. As I drove home, I reviewed the details Gordon had given me. Two fishing trawlers would be used as mother ships for three V-20s. At a shallow water point about a mile from the target, one boat would land and the team would go ashore, under cover of darkness. The other two boats would wait offshore, among the mangroves, for completion of the first phase of the mission."

"The landed commando team would move down the shore to the pier that supported the pipeline. They would kill the guards on the pier, and then eliminate the watchman in the small tin shack at the end of the pier. This accomplished, they would signal the other two V-20s to come to the end of the pier, where the boats would be tied until the mission was completed."

"The landed commando team would move down the shore to the pier and around the refinery yard fence to a position behind a low hill that was about eleven hundred yards from the brightly illuminated crackling towers and processing facilities. Two 81mm mortars would be set up; from an observation position on high ground; their fire would be guided into the refinery proper. White phosphorous ordinance would be used, in the hope that the cracking towers would catch fire immediately and the surrounding fuel storage tanks would explode. Approximately twenty mortar round would be fired into the refinery."

"Meanwhile, time-activated demolition charges would be fastened to the pipeline pier, and 'clams' (round TNT charges with magnetic devices to hold them to metal objects) would be attached to the transfer pipeline. By the time the entire commando force withdrew, the refinery would be engulfed in flames."

"As the two V-20s pulled away, the timer would activate, and the pier and the pipeline would explode behind them. The commandos would return to the trawlers waiting several miles offshore. Another time-activated explosive would destroy the beached V-20."

p. 99:

"Communications between Elliott Key and the mainland had been a problem from the beginning….The only way I could maintain secure contact with Gordon Campbell, Karl, and Tony was to go ashore to the pay phone at Black Point…..Sometimes I'd go for days without contact…On other occasions I'd get word that Campbell and Karl were out of the area and was given no idea when they might return my call…."

p. 102:

"….I immediately recognized the plane as the single-engine Cessna based at the CIA headquarters in Miami. As it flew overhead, a white object was released directly over the old house. It was a roll of toilet tissue, streaming as it fell. It landed only a few feet away….The center tube of the tissue role had been closed with masking tape, and the word 'OPEN' had been scrawled on the side with black marking pencil. Hastily, I opened up the tube and pulled out the paper inside. It was Campbell's printing:

NOVEMBER 22 1963

PRESIDENT KENNEDY HAS BEEN SHOT BY AN ASSASSIN. SUSPEND ALL ACTIIVTY. KEEP MEN ON ISLAND. COME ASHORE WITHOUT DELAY.

GORDON

p. 104 :

"More than a month after the assassination that I spoke with Mr. Campbell about the Elliot Key commandos. He directed me to hold off any additional rehearsals but to go on training at a reduced pace."

p. 105:

"Gordon Campbell and Karl had all but disappeared during this period and the Elliot Key operation, for which I had been responsible, was placed under control of the training branch. Cal had departed for anew assignment in Washington at the CIA 'farm' in Virginia. Rudy temporarily assumed duties as chief of training….Eventually, and old CIA training officer, Ernie Sparks, arrived and took over as chief of branch….Ernie dressed in Western style, with cowboy boots, jeans and open collared riding shirt. Often he would have a big revolver holstered at his side. He was about 50, with gray hair, a droopy mustache, ruddy complexion, and piercing blue eyes. He was portly but muscular. He could have been a Wild West movie character. He had been nicknamed 'Sitting Bull' while serving as a training officer in Guatemala, preparing Cuban exile Brigade 2506 for the Bay of Pigs invasion. As the time went by I learned he had a penchant for booze, women and sports cars….."

p. 181 :

"…The cover office, staffed with full-time secretaries and decorated to appear as a typical business headquarters. Shackley would never be there, but either Clines or Campbell would when it was useful to present Zenith Technical Enterprise's face to the world. The Maritime Branch was located in the same building, and for that reason, it was most convenient for Campbell, who was running that branch, to man the cover office….and I found it interesting in Fonzi's book there was no mention of Campbell. Campbell was identified in Deadly Secrets, however. This would become a matter of significance in my future work."

July 17, 2011

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSln=campbell&GSiman=1&GSsr=201&GScid=49269&

Addo Shafer Campbell 1908 - 2002

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=campbell&GSiman=1&GScid=49269&GRid=8778147&

Both Gordon Campbell, 1905 - 2000 and wife, Addo were issued SS cards in North Carolina. http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi

Addo was from Austin, TX,

http://digital.lib.ecu.edu/10938
Louis Poisson Davis, Jr., Oral History Interview

...I want you to give us all the details of that. Once you were aboard the S-18, did you take her out to the Pacific or to Pearl?

Louis Poisson Davis, Jr.:

No, the S-18 was assigned to the West Coast Sound School in San Diego as a training submarine for anti-submarine surface forces. It was a training assignment; it was used also by ComSubPac to give junior officers like me, a year in command of a submarine before sending us out on war assignment.

Donald R. Lennon:

You had just taken over as C.O. of the S-18.

Louis Poisson Davis, Jr.:

The SS 123 was a gallant ship, but ancient. We had Gordon Campbell of the Class of 1926 as the squadron commander and Bud Gruner was the operations officer. I enjoyed it thoroughly. It was a lot of fun being the commanding officer. I knew some things that I think the squadron commander didn't know. Gordon Campbell was a very pleasant, competent officer who had never made a war patrol. He had never been out to Pearl to see what it was like at the front. He adhered, basically, to the rules and regulations of a peacetime Navy. One of the activities receiving priority in the Fleet at the time I took command was the development of wolf-pack tactics...

ss-164 USS Bass 1942 http://www.fleetsubmarine.com/personalities.html

http://www.fleetsubmarine.com/ss-157.html

HISTORY FOR U.S.S. S-46 Captain

Gordon Campbell Alaska 12/43

http://www.fleetorganization.com/subcommanders.html

CDR Gordon Campbell

24 Nov 1943 - 20 Jan 1944* COMSUBDIV 53

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08123.htm

S-18 (SS-123), probably at San Diego, for overhaul and assignment to training duty anytime from 4 February 1943 till the remainder of World War II, where she remained providing training services for the West Coast Sound School.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/cno/n87/usw/issue_18/forgotten.htm

...It had to have been the worst duty in the world. The privation, hardship, and danger endured by the more than 1,000 U.S. submariners who served in the Aleutians during 1942 and 1943 – most of them in small, obsolete, and worn-out boats – were never repaid by the spectacular success later achieved by submarines in the wider Pacific conflict. Only nine confirmed kills were scored in over 80 war patrols conducted in the Alaskan theater in those years – and four of these were claimed by Pearl Harbor-based fleet boats, which accounted for only one eighth of the total sorties.

Keith R Randall, 86 years old US Navy veteran who served during WWII on the USS Pennsylvania, died last December in Pocatello, ID. In 1946 he worked as an Idaho farm laborer and later drove a fertilizer truck.

There seems nothing lead worthy to be found on Campbell or Randall in the U.S. I think the best potential source of ID info on Campbell and on Bishop, for that matter, is probably going to come one day from Havana, if at all.

David Talbot : Gordon Campbell

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