The Phil Ochs Question

[Jim Glover]

Well Phil did say "Domestic", but he made sure to let me know that Hoover and the FBI were bad guys in this.

Shortly after that the FBI (they said they were) came over asked about Phil... that was scary and to protect Phil I didn't mention a plot to kill President Kennedy to the FBI.

But they could have told him anything to get Phil interested in finding out more. (setting us up like Oswald) Like workin with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee to find out more about the plot. My hunch is that it may have had something to do with the Air Force (DIA?) because he told me in 74 that he was working with an up and coming young general after I told him that some men came over to my apt in NYC and told me that Kissinger was paying him. But between 63 and 74 they played with us a lot because we knew too much and we were a risk to the coup being exposed.

I was told once by a friend in high school before JFK, that the FBI told him they don't know what to do with me because I knew too many people... Well, they knew I knew Bush and it got me in trouble before I met Phil at the rooming house at Ohio State.

Phil was angry and he disliked Kissenger and that is when he told me about the young Air Force general. I did not say this but Phil probably realized at that point the the Air Force general could be getting money approved from Kissinger.

This was right after I talked with AJ Weberman at another apartment who picked me up at the airport, Phil was impressing me with Autopsy photos, a photo of General Walkers House and we smoked a couple of his real Cuban Cigars (he said they were) which of course he would not tell me how he got um.

So Domestic Shomestic... whatever they told him was something for their own purposes at the time and the time could have been confusing even for the Military and Intell community.

There was a Domestic Contacts Division too.... Maybe even a Domestic Division as DD in, was it Oswalds address book?

'The FBI were the bad guys he told me and when I asked him "who in National security, the CIA?" he said something about "Kinda" but I remember the word "domestic". Last night, I read in Weberman's book that the assassins were in the "Domestic Operations Division." '

FBI Division Five?

[Terry Mauro]

"John Train" was also a pseudonym of Phil Ochs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Train

[Bernice Moore]

JIM; I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS DOWNLOAD.BUT YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK INTO IT...BEST..B

[sharingmatrix.com] ?Artificial Paradise

date:2009-01-10 bad:0 category:books

... this book from the Phil Ochs song, "Crucifixion", about the Kennedy assassination, that states: I fear to contemplate that beneath the greatest love ...

source: http://www.warezusa.org/thread-161531.html 1.44 Mb

url:http://sharingmatrix.com/file/380555/Artificial_Paradise.pdf

http://megauploadsearch.net/kennedy%20assassinationi312-1-w-0-0

[Jim Glover]

Bernice, I tried to read it but I don't have permission and passwords but from what shows in your message, the complete line from the song Crucifixion is: "beneath the greatest love is a hurricane of hate, and God help the critic of the dawn".

JIM; I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS DOWNLOAD.BUT YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK INTO IT...BEST..B

[sharingmatrix.com] ?Artificial Paradise

date:2009-01-10 bad:0 category:books

... this book from the Phil Ochs song, "Crucifixion", about the Kennedy assassination, that states: I fear to contemplate that beneath the greatest love ...

source: http://www.warezusa.org/thread-161531.html 1.44 Mb

url:http://sharingmatrix.com/file/380555/Artificial_Paradise.pdf

http://megauploadsearch.net/kennedy%20assassinationi312-1-w-0-0

[Jim Glover]

Thanks Bernice I just read the account of officer Mooney who said the power to the Book Depository building was cut off before the elevator hit the 2nd floor. They also had to order search lights to see in the dark.

This was right after he told a "civilian" to not let anyone in or out of the back door shipping dock.

BILL HERE IS A LINK TO THE BOOK.

http://tiny.cc/vcf2e

Edited September 16, 2010 by Jim Glover

[John Dolva]

Which could have made the basement a good place to be to exit to the area under the loading dock and through a likely number of exits from there, never to be seen by any loading dock door guard.

[David Andrews]

Thanks for the answer, Jim.

[Bernice Moore]

Thanks Bernice I just read the account of officer Mooney who said the power to the Book Depository building was cut off before the elevator hit the 2nd floor. They also had to order search lights to see in the dark.

This was right after he told a "civilian" to not let anyone in or out of the back door shipping dock.

BILL HERE IS A LINK TO THE BOOK.

http://tiny.cc/vcf2e

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your wecome jim, yes the fire dept took in search ights up to the 6th floor, all they had were single bulbs hanging from the ceiling at that time...also you might be interested in this info, there were 4 separate doors exiting the tsbd ...take care...b

The Other Witnesses

By George and Patricia Nash

The New Leader, 12 October 1964, pages 6–9

<P class=yiv832301038yiv1869975492MsoNormal> <P class=yiv832301038yiv1869975492MsoNormal> The Report mentions that “the front door” and “the rear door” of the Depository were guarded from about six minutes after the shooting. What it omits, however, is that there were four separate “rear doors,” all of which were open and only one of which was guarded. There are two loading platforms, a customer’s door and a rail entry. No one guarding any of these doors could see any of the others. This conceivably might be relevant to a question of whether Oswald acted alone. As Shelley told us, “Any one of a thousand different people could have entered or left the building and nobody would have known it.” http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/history/wc_period/reactions_to_warren_report/support_from_center/The_other_witnesses--Nashes.html

[Bernice Moore]

frame from cooper film, fire dept entering front entrance tsbd.single light bulbs ceilings tsbd....b sorry jim perhaps later the attaching files is not working for me, no files come up, later b

Edited September 17, 2010 by Bernice Moore

[Jim Glover]

Yes John, I never thought of that... a "basement".

A real investigation would have found out who cut the power and where it was done.... I wonder if the power box was in the basement.

I also think that a "civilian" hangin out near the rear when all the action was on the grassy knoll and railroad yard told to be a guard could also have been a lookout for the 2 men seen on the 6th floor.

Which could have made the basement a good place to be to exit to the area under the loading dock and through a likely number of exits from there, never to be seen by any loading dock door guard.

Edited September 17, 2010 by Jim Glover

[William Kelly]

Yes John, I never thought of that... a "basement".

A real investigation would have found out who cut the power and where it was done.... I wonder if the power box was in the basement.

I also think that a "civilian" hangin out near the rear when all the action was on the grassy knoll and railroad yard told to be a guard could also have been a lookout for the 2 men seen on the 6th floor.

Which could have made the basement a good place to be to exit to the area under the loading dock and through a likely number of exits from there, never to be seen by any loading dock door guard.

When the SAIC SS Dallas arrived at the rear of the TSBD after having been in the motorcade to Parkland, estimated arrival at TSBD at 12:40 give or take a few minutes, and he found no uniformed policemen at the rear door of the TSBD and only a black maile standing by the door.

In addition, it is usefull to know that there are four doors at the NW corner of the TSBD, two on the west side and two on the north side.

BKelly

[Bernice Moore]

phil the fire dept tsbd...

[Jim Glover]

Thanks Bernice... interesting photo of the Fire Dept... Looks like some folks cut the power and pushed the fire alarm to help the cause of the coup.

I forgot where I read recently that a witness also did see a couple men leave the back and there were civilians with phony Secret Service IDs as well.

Edited September 17, 2010 by Jim Glover

[Bernice Moore]

Thanks Bernice... interesting photo of the Fire Dept... Looks like some folks cut the power and pushed the fire alarm to help the cause of the coup.

I forgot where I read recently that a witness also did see a couple men leave the back and there were civilians with phony Secret Service IDs as well.

yes that is correct jim, i have some info somewhere,on ss being at the back of the tsbd, seems to me also one of the dpd made mention of such,when he got there from the parking lot behind the fence..?? the story i believe goes or went, whatever that the frdept were called to provide lights for searching, but who the hecker knows for sure, that is what i belive is written now, if different no one ever made copy on it, i don't believe...your welcome jim, and take care..b

[Bernice Moore]

all i have found so far jim, re ss at back of tsbd...b