John Dolva Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 (edited) Tom do you know who this Robert Oswald was/is? One way or the other, it is likely Walker did know of a Oswald as early as December 1961. (mage) 28 December 1961 article (MSC files) Edited October 4, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Very interesting Tom. I find it a bit chilling how it all seems to hang together. More dots than I expected.______________ Walker and the German media, left - right August 1961 Gen. Edwin Walker pro blue program exposed by "Overseas Weekly"(^) privately owned newspaper, published and edited by Marion Rospach and John Dornberg November 23, 1963, Gen. Edwin Walker interview via transatlantic telephone, with the "Deutsche National Zeitung un Soldaten-Zeitung"(#) Munich, Germany, from Shreveport, La. As a result "the Oswald shot at Walker" story. (^)http://www.3ad.com/history/cold.war/feature.pages/overseas.weekly.pages/background/enlisted.man.book.htm "Overseas Weekly" Published in Europe since 1950, ... publisher Mrs. Marion Rospach ...Frankfurt, Germany...Most of the newspaper's staff are ex-GI's who joined the Overseas Weekly after completing military service overseas... (The paper...acquired the nickname of the 'Oversexed Weekly' by blending pinups with come-on headlines: 'Torso Killer Lt Mad, Headshrinkers Rule,' 'Captain Seduced My Wife, Genius GI Tells Court,' 'Raped Twice in BOQ, Army Nurse Charges,' 'Old Sarge Drops Dead on Gen's PT March.') ...The newspaper is for racial equality, articulates a kind of democratic populism, and is forthrightly concerned with GI rights. Most characteristically, it has continually exposed the sometimes unbelievable antics of officers... .... in 1961: first broke the story of Major General Edwin Walker's efforts to indoctrinate the men under his command (the 24th Infantry Division) with a program of extreme conservative political content**. (...In 1966 the Overseas Weekly set up a Far Eastern edition (published in Hong Kong) but ... had its circulation effectively limited by being denied space on military newsstands in Asia. The Defense Department's official argument is that there is no available newsstand space. The Overseas Weekly ...(took)... its case to the federal courts charging a violation of freedom of the press.)" **early 1961 memorandum from Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, in part: "After the President has taken a position, has established a policy, or after appropriate officials in the Defense Department have established a policy, I expect that no member of the department, either civilian or military, will discuss that policy other than in a way to support it before the public." (#)http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/postwar.html Gerhard Frey, publisher of the Neo-Nazi "Deutsche National-Zeitung und Soldaten-Zeitung". Theodor Oberlander, was the German commander of the Ukraine's Nightingales* during the war and wrote for Frey's newspaper. *SS Nachtigal Battallion, for part of the war, formed from Ukranian Nationalists. muzzlings:: http://www.mdah.state.ms.us/arlib/contents...6|1|1|1|24939|A http://www.mdah.state.ms.us/arlib/contents...|4|1|1|1|70821| _________________________ The revelations about Ewald Peters came from investigations by East Germany. I wonder what the behind the scenes exchanges were. Perhaps negotiations leverages were applied? Either way, by mid february, '64, the story was 'dead'. It's now seemingly impossible to find any details. From then on he is hardly mentioned at all in German history, and for some reason finding a labeled image of him is so far impossible on the net. More dots than I expected. Bouncing dots or bouncing balls, all about the same thing. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Wood In 1954, Wood funded the creation of the Manion Forum, a conservative radio program hosted by Clarence Manion.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbuckleyW.htm The Freeman, a conservative magazine published by Henry Luce. The magazine was funded by right-wing figures including Adolphe Menjou, Spruille Braden, Roger Milliken, Clarence Manion and Robert Welch, the founder of the John Birch Society----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/birch.htm THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY Belmont, Massachusetts 02178 Executive Committee: Wm. J. Grede, A. G. Heinsohn, Jr., Fred C. Koch, Clarence E. Manion, R. W. Stoddard ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In event one keeps on, they just may discover some "common ground". ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/20th/right.html 1960 book Conscience of a Conservative published in March - sold 3.5m in 4 years - ghosted by L. Brent Bozell, editor of National Review and brother-in-law of William Buckley, hired by Clarence Manion of John Birch Society ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,826912,00.html (page 2) The Politician, Welch has been highly praised as a freedom fighter by a horde of familiar right-wing names, e.g., Actor Adolphe Menjou, Lawyer Clarence Manion. ex-Diplomat Spruille Braden, who grace the society's council and have the right to appoint his successor --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://mises.org/journals/scholar/Epstein.pdf (search for "Manion") Of interest one will find: Clarence Manion, one of the most influential conservative leaders----head of the Manion Forum and For America. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flynnfiles.com/blog/phillips/phillips1.htm Anyway, “Pat” Manion, the dean of Notre Dame’s law school, was a great constitutional conservative. He was a mentor to me, and someone whom I admired greatly. He was head of Democrats for Eisenhower in 1952. *Personal note: Earl Warren got Manion's "seat" on the U.S. Supreme Court. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK! We have the right wing. We have the "Birchers", and anyone who has paid attention is fully aware that John Birch was an indirect cousin of Annie Hahr Dobbs Pawley, wife of William D. Pawley. And, John Birch was of course killed in China during WWII. We also have Mr. Manion as a specific associate of President Eisenhower and as a possible appointee to the U.S. Supreme Court. Which of course also adds to the probably association with William D. Pawley, close acquaintance of Eisenhower as well as appointed Ambassador ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,808234,00.html From the Magazine | National Affairs Boos for the President Indiana Lawyer Clarence Manion, steamed up the capacity crowd of 3,000 (collected by For America, a right-fringe political organization) for three hours ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_FOR_AMERICA_ Would appear to be nothing other than "red" & "blue" density for General Wood; Clarence Manion; America First; as well as For America". ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://cuban-exile.com/doc_026-050/doc0046.html One will also find Mr. Manion mentioned here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and last, but most certainly not least: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: FOR AMERICA Type Entity: Non-Profit Corporation or Co-op (Non-Louisiana) Status: Not Active (Action by Secretary of State) 2006 Annual Report/Reinstatement form is required in order to reinstate Print Annual Report/Reinstatement Form For Filing Mailing Address: 208 S LASALLE ST, CHICAGO, IL 60604 Domicile Address: 208 S LASALLE ST, CHICAGO, IL 60604 Principal Office: 208 S LASALLE ST, CHICAGO, IL 60604 Principal Bus. Est. in Louisiana: Qualified: 07/14/1954 Registered Agent (Appointed 7/14/1954): CHARLES E. DUNBAR, JR., 321 ST. CHARLES, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70130 Registered Agent (Appointed 7/14/1954): SUMTER D. MARKS, JR., 321 ST CHARLES, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70130 Registered Agent (Appointed 7/14/1954): LOUIS B. CLAVERIE, 321 ST. CHARLES, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70130 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Tom do you know who this Robert Oswald was/is? One way or the other, it is likely Walker did know of a Oswald as early as December 1961.(mage) 28 December 1961 article (MSC files) Yep! IN THE SIXTEENTH CHANCERY COURT DISTRICT, STATE OF MISSISSIPPI JACKSON, GEORGE AND GREENE COUNTIES LOCAL RULES OF THE SIXTEENTH CHANCERY COURT DISTRICT RULE 8-1987 SO ORDERED, this the 7th day of April 1987. KENNETH B. ROBERTSON, ROBERT H. OSWALD, GLENN BARLOW Chancellors --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since I reside in George County, I had better know who he is. Just down the road in Pascagoula, (Jackson County) MS, lives former Judge Robert H. Oswald. When you search the MS Soverignty Commission, you will find his name many times. Initially, he was associated with the "Citizen's Council" which, for anyone who has read up on the subject matter, was the foundation for segregation activities. At exactly the same period that LHO was attending Radar Tech school at Gulfport, MS, his distant cousin Robert H. Oswald of Mississippi, was involved in keeping the beaches of the Mississippi coast "White Only". Actually, I have an acquaintance who does all of the Oswald's (of Pascagoula, MS) computer work for them when they have problems. There is now also another Robert E. Oswald or two down there as well. OSWALD, Robert H. (atty.) 3105 Beach Blvd. Pascagoula, MS 228-762-1910 Do not know if his home was wiped out during Katrina or not. Most of the Beach Blvd. homes, including that of Senator Trent Lott, were totally wiped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted November 4, 2006 Author Share Posted November 4, 2006 President Lyndon Johnson asked John J. McCloy to serve on the Warren Commission. No less than nine presidents had called on the Wall Street lawyer for special assignments, yet he was little known to the public. McCloy said he entered the investigation "thinking there was a conspiracy," but left it convinced that Oswald acted alone. "I never saw a case that was more completely proven," he asserted.McCloy had long been involved in the murky world of espionage, intrigue and nazis. He spent the decade of the 1930s working out of Paris. Much of his time was spent on a law case stemming from German sabotage in World War I. His investigation took him to Berlin, where he shared a box with Hitler at the 1936 Olympics. He was in contact with Rudolph Hess before the Nazi leader made a mysterious flight to England in 1941. When the nazis occupied Europe, the banking exchanges between Britain and the U.S. on the one hand and Germany on the other carried on as usual. In Trading With the Enemy, Charles Higham documents the role of Standard Oil~ of New Jersey, owned by the Chase Manhattan Bank, and I.G. Farben's Sterling Products with the Bank for International Settlements. Standard Oil tankers plied the sea lanes with fuel for the nazi war machine. Prior to the war McCloy was legal counsel to Farben, the German chemical monopoly. As an assistant secretary in the War Department during the war: *McCloy blocked the executions of nazi war criminals *Forged a pact with the Vichy Regime of pro-nazi Admiral Darlan. *Displaced Japanese-Americans in California to internment camps.* *Refused to recommend the bombing of nazi concentration camps to spare the inmates on grounds "the cost would be out of proportion to any possible benefits." *Refused Jewish refugees entry to the U.S. In 1952 McCloy left a Germany...(and.)... became president of the Chase Manhattan Bank, director of a dozen blue chip corporations, and legal counsel to the "Seven Sisters" of American oil. During this period he acquired a client, the Nobel oil firm, whose interests in Czarist Russia had been managed by the father of George de Mohrenschildt, Lee and Marina Oswald's "best friend" in Dallas. *the children of the 'Nisei' formed part of the decoders working for Willoughby. New Jersey as a centre of the Radical Right (Standard Oil, the Bund, The Klan, and...) "South River, New Jersey: VorKommando Moskau’s new home One of the most brutal groups ever to settle in New Jersey since the English killed the Indians was the VorKommando Moskau, originally formed by the SS as they advanced into Eastern Europe and recruited White Russians fleeing their homeland. "VorKommando Moskau was an elite forward unit of SS intelligence on the Soviet front. Its primary mission was anti-Communist intelligence, but it was also responsible for security screening of the occupied populations in the broad sector of the Eastern Front... VorKommando Moskau did not kill the Jews. [Or the Slavs, who were also slaughtered in large numbers.] It hired the collaborators, who recruited the executioners, who killed the Jews. From 1940 to 1942 this one small unit acted as an employment agency for the architects of the Nazi genocide in Eastern Europe." They primarily hired Eastern Europeans. [20] During his tenure as Nazi hunter in the Justice Department, John Loftus discovered how the White Russians in the VorKommando Moskau were heavily recruited by the US government to fight the Soviets and how all documentation of their Nazi past was well hidden from prying eyes. "Many of the White Russian Nazis had been resettled en masse in the town of South River, New Jersey." [21] Allen Dulles and Bill Casey, who was later Reagan’s CIA director, resettled most of the Vorkommando Moskau’s elite leadership group in the New York - New Jersey area. [22] In April, 1998 it was discovered that Casey sought for and received a dispensation from the Justice Department so that CIA officers would not have to reveal drug trafficking on the part of their contract workers and this 6 months before large scale trafficking began in support of the Nicaraguan Contras. Casey was an old pro at sanitizing the unmentionable. In 1950, the FBI "recruited every White Russian Nazi it could find in the New York - New Jersey area." When in the 60’s a New York reporter, Charles Allen, began his accusations that Nazis were living in the US, the FBI investigated him and labeled him a Russian pawn. [23] It would be interesting to find out about the role of these Nazis in Hoover’s COINTELPRO operations against the Black Panthers and others. Given the massive settlement of Nazis in New Jersey, it would not at all be surprising if some number of them found their way into the State Police. After all, police work was what they were professionally suited for, what they had done for years prior to coming to the US. We can also expect the Nazis to have found jobs as corrections officers in a prison system which has shown itself remarkably tolerant of the Aryan Brotherhood and Sisterhood." Ukrainian Fascists in New Jersey - SS Einsatzgruppen members responsible for the slaughter of about a million jews and other 'undesirables' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 The American Security Council (ASC) was established by Robert Wood, chairman and president of Sears, Roebuck & Company, and Robert R. McCormick, of the Chicago Tribune, in 1955. Wood and McCormick started the ASC because they believed that the United States had lost the Korean War because of communist infiltrators. John Fisher, a former FBI agent and chief of security at Sears, Roebuck & Company. Early members included Douglas MacArthur, Sam Rayburn, Ray S. Cline, Thomas J. Dodd, W. Averell Harriman, Nelson A. Rockefeller, Eugene V. Rostow, John G. Tower, John K. Singlaub, Lawrence P. McDonald and Patrick J. Frawley. The ASC was behind the establishment of the Mid-America Research Library (MARL). The objective of this organization was to compile files on suspected communists who might apply for jobs in the private sector. This blacklist, that included 6 million names, was provided to 3,500 companies. ASC/MARL worked very closely with the FBI and the House UnAmerican Activities Committee. The ASC target those individuals who advocate disarmament and lower defence spending as it believes these people are victims of left-wing disinformation or are in the pay of communist states. In the 1950s the Soviet Union posed the main threat to capitalism. Therefore ASC members argued that it was important for the United States to achieve military superiority so that the Soviet Union would not dare to launch a military attack. The American Security Council was extremely powerful during the McCarthyism period in the United States. However, in the 1960s there was a decline in interest in the ASC as ideas about detente and disarmament became popular. In 1978 the American Security Council organized the Coalition for Peace Through Strength (CPTS). According to one source "group members of the CPTS include conservative military organizations, right-wing organizations and a number of emigre groups with a history of association with the Nazis and current membership in the World Anti-Communist League." General John K. Singlaub, a member of the ASC, joined forces with Ted Shackley, Ray S. Cline and Richard Helms to get Jimmy Carter removed from the White House. In December, 1979, Singlaub headed a delegation from the ASC on a trip to Guatemala. Singlaub pointed out that Ronald Reagan "recognizes that a good deal of dirty work has to be done" in order to destroy communism in Guatemala. Death squad activity in Guatemala increased dramatically following the trip." Upon his return to the United States Singlaub called for "sympathetic understanding of the death squads" (The Iran Contra Connection: Secret Teams and Covert Operations in the Reagan Era). The ASC campaigned against Salt I, SALT II and other arms control agreements and argued aggressively for ever-increasing Pentagon budgets to pay for weapons systems, such as the B-1 bomber, the MX missile and Star Wars. Between 1983 and 1985 ASC ran 13 full-page ads in the New York Times and the Washington Post advocating the MX missile system. The policy of the ASC was extremely popular with companies involved in the defence industry and critics claimed that the ASC was a military-industrial complex front organization. Important funders of the ASC included General Dynamics, General Electric, Lockheed, Boeing, Motorola, and McDonnell-Douglas. Patrick J. Frawley is believed to have been the most generous individual donors. By 1984 the ASC had an income of $2. 7 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted August 10, 2007 Author Share Posted August 10, 2007 topical bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Sorry I forgot about this thread. I have merged the two threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 (edited) If you click on the link to ASC's old website, you now get the American Security Council Foundation: http://www.americansecuritycouncil.org Edited August 10, 2007 by Ron Ecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted August 10, 2007 Author Share Posted August 10, 2007 (edited) Sorry I forgot about this thread. I have merged the two threads. No worries. This one drifted a bit away from ASC, the first page is mostly ASC. Peter: "Quite a list of names!.....the phrase 'thick as theives' comes to mind. Here are a few other founders: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title...ouncil#Founders Governor LeRoy Collins (D-FL) Walt Disney [Mickey Mouse was honorary member] Theodore V. Houser Senator Henry M. Scoop Jackson (D-WA) General Douglas MacArthur USA Speaker Sam Rayburn (D-TX) Nelson A. Rockefeller Eugene V. Rostow General Nathan Twining USAF Admiral Elmo Zumwalt USN" probably coincidental: (?) Eldridge Cleaver (Huey P Newton. Angela Davis, Panthers) nicknamed Ronald Reagan: "Mickey Mouse". Edited August 10, 2007 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 The American Security Council (ASC) was established by Robert Wood, chairman and president of Sears, Roebuck & Company, and Robert R. McCormick, of the Chicago Tribune, in 1955. Wood and McCormick started the ASC because they believed that the United States had lost the Korean War because of communist infiltrators. John Fisher, a former FBI agent and chief of security at Sears, Roebuck & Company. Early members included Douglas MacArthur, Sam Rayburn, Ray S. Cline, Thomas J. Dodd, W. Averell Harriman, Nelson A. Rockefeller, Eugene V. Rostow, John G. Tower, John K. Singlaub, Lawrence P. McDonald and Patrick J. Frawley.... The policy of the ASC was extremely popular with companies involved in the defence industry and critics claimed that the ASC was a military-industrial complex front organization. Important funders of the ASC included General Dynamics, General Electric, Lockheed, Boeing, Motorola, and McDonnell-Douglas. Patrick J. Frawley is believed to have been the most generous individual donors. By 1984 the ASC had an income of $2. 7 million. There are several possible links with the JFK assassination. Sam Rayburn for example was LBJ's political grandfather and was the original man who controlled the chairmanship of the important military committees in Congress. Several of the military companies who were involved in funding the ASC also contributed to LBJ various political campaigns. John K. Singlaub and Ray Cline played important roles in CIA/Military covert operations and as I argued yesterday, Patrick J. Frawley was involved in funding various right-wing groups based in New Orleans in the early 1960s. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKamericansc.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I've sometimes wondered how various suspects in the JFK assassination could have gotten together in one place, if they ever did, to hatch and help manage a plot. If they all belonged to one organization, such as the ASC, getting together on occasion was no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Robert McCormick was one of the founders of the American Security Council. This is not mentioned on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_R._McCormick I have provided another view of McCormick here: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmcCormick.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I've sometimes wondered how various suspects in the JFK assassination could have gotten together in one place, if they ever did, to hatch and help manage a plot. If they all belonged to one organization, such as the ASC, getting together on occasion was no problem. This is an important point. The American Security Council brought together right-wing multimillionaires, the CIA and senior members of the military. I said yesterday that Patrick Frawley was a candidate for funding the operation. So also was Robert Wood. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAwoodRE.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I've sometimes wondered how various suspects in the JFK assassination could have gotten together in one place, if they ever did, to hatch and help manage a plot. If they all belonged to one organization, such as the ASC, getting together on occasion was no problem. This is an important point. The American Security Council brought together right-wing multimillionaires, the CIA and senior members of the military. I said yesterday that Patrick Frawley was a candidate for funding the operation. So also was Robert Wood. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAwoodRE.htm Huge point. John Dolva posted the quote: "One analyst has said that the ASC is "not just the representative of the military-industrial complex, it is the personification of the military-industrial complex." I wonder when the analyst said that. Was it circa 1960 when Eisenhower warned against the very military industrial congressional complex he'd nurtured for 8 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 And We Are Still All MortalThomas Dodd and Lee Harvey Oswald By George Michael Evica (from "Agent LHO," a chapter in a work in progress, The Iron Sights) ... http://www.spitfirelist.com/rfa.html [items 14 and 15] Interesting link Peter; thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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