Question for the panel

[Tony Frank]

How did it benefit the Military Industrial Complex to have Johnson as President for 5 years?

Was it actually that Military Industrial Complex that got together, planned the elaborate assassination and cover up, and said, "We're really gonna make out great when Kennedy is assassinated"?

Just how did it benefit the Military Industrial Complex? And if it wasn't the Military Industrial Complex, then who was it?

Doesn't it make sense that the parties culpable in JFK's death were planning on killing Johnson right before the 1964 election so that far-right Senator Barry Goldwater would be elected President?

[Jack White]

How did it benefit the Military Industrial Complex to have Johnson as President for 5 years?

Was it actually that Military Industrial Complex that got together, planned the elaborate assassination and cover up, and said, "We're really gonna make out great when Kennedy is assassinated"?

Just how did it benefit the Military Industrial Complex? And if it wasn't the Military Industrial Complex, then who was it?

Doesn't it make sense that the parties culpable in JFK's death were planning on killing Johnson right before the 1964 election so that far-right Senator Barry Goldwater would be elected President?

Tony...I am surprised you never heard of the Vietnam war!

(JFK, no...LBJ, yes)

Heard of BROWN AND ROOT or BELL HELICOPTER?

Jack White

[Terry Mauro]

How does busting up that international cartel of bankers and their financial houses, also known as, The Federal Reserve, sound to you?

I believe when Bill Clinton had plans of a similar dismantling, or at best, an attempt to disempower this group of usurers, is about the same time that Whitewatergate and Monicagate was initiated into the public's apperceptive mass. How could they possibly pull off another physical assassination of a president after JFK, except to resort to an all-out character assassination, instead? State of the art for the 21st Century.

There were alot of factors involved, as many entities felt threatened by JFK's plans to run the country as it was meant to be; of the people, by the people, and with a leader of the same mind as Lincoln and FDR.

He was also opening dialogue for disarmaments with Kruschev, and his American University commencement speech made in June of 1963 was one that Kruschev admired and made a requirement for all Russian university students to study. It spoke of hope that both powers might come to a peaceful accord and work together for the good of mankind and for the future generations of the earth. There was also talk of a meeting being planned to take place with Castro in the hope of opening a new dialogue with both Cuba and the USSR. These were the very aspects abhorred and feared by the fascist elements surrounding the M.I.C., as well as the loss of those gambling casinos belonging to the same people who helped JFK get elected. But, those casino owners were actually the long-time associates of Old Joe from his rum-running days during the Prohibition Era. And, old contacts are hard to shake when they've felt their investment has seemingly turned the tables on them.

There are also RFK's enemies that need to be taken into consideration, as he was not well-liked on the hill by Hoover. His prior senate rackets investigations into gangland's Murder, Inc. afiliations, didn't win him friends, nor influence for those very people who helped get his brother elected, either.

The godfathers had also sent their sons to the same Ivy League institutes of higher learning that Old Joe had sent his progeny, in an attempt to one day legalize their money-laundering and off-track betting rooms into those of a legitimate business front. Hence, the Teamsters, and Long Shoremens unions were brought into line when the docks and transportation of goods came under the auspices of the new generation of families.

JFK was also an astute negotiator with the union bosses, which did not sit well with corporate America, who sought to bust up the unions and bring them to their knees, which was the eventual outcome that exists today.

You see, from what I've read and observed regarding this "changing of the guard" that took place that day in Dallas, is that this country's future, along with its constitution, and basic premise for existence, has been usurped by this global monetary cartel. These financial barons are at the top of the scale when it comes to the pecking order of underlings, such as oil, minerals, pork bellies, future commodities, and so forth. These financial houses could not allow some idealistic upstart, such as JFK, to dismantle their poweful stranglehold on the world's finances. Everything would fall like a "house of cards", or in a domino effect, forever altering this scheme of a few monied houses, and their control over the world, and its minions. That's a pretty powerful incentive for planning and carrying out the assassination of a president possessing the attractive charisma and youthful following such as JFK had. There were alot of money, industrial, oil, and military contracts at stake had JFK been allowed to change the financial infrastructure set up by the privileged five-percenters in the human food chain. That's my opinion FWIW, and it has its flaws, but that is the way I observed it from my perspective.

[Bernice Moore]

"How did it benefit the Military Industrial Complex to have Johnson as President for 5 years?"

By Billions of dollars..

[Wim Dankbaar]

"Tony...I am surprised you never heard of the Vietnam war!

(JFK, no...LBJ, yes)

Heard of BROWN AND ROOT or BELL HELICOPTER?"

Maybe Tony does not know that Brown and Root merged into Halliburton and Bell Helicopters were also used to "catch" the drug runners in the so called War on Drugs, run by the CIA, led by men as Felix Rodriguez, Barry Seal, Ted Shackley and Rafael "Chi Chi" Quintero ????

By understanding that, he would maybe get a grip on the "War on Terror" too.

Wim

Edited July 4, 2004 by dankbaar

[Anthony Frank]

Quote (Jack White on July 3)

Tony...I am surprised you never heard of the Vietnam war!

(JFK, no...LBJ, yes)

Heard of BROWN AND ROOT or BELL HELICOPTER?

How did it benefit the Military Industrial Complex to have Johnson as President for 5 years?"

By Billions of dollars..

Jack, Bernice, & Wim,

Maybe you didn't read the last part of my post. It read:

"Doesn't it make sense that the parties culpable in JFK's death were planning on killing Johnson right before the 1964 election so that far-right Senator Barry Goldwater would be elected President?

The Military Industrial Complex would have been much better off with Barry Goldwater as President.

Tony

[Terry Mauro]

The Military Industrial Complex would have been much better off with Barry Goldwater as President.

That may have been so, but alot of people perceived Goldwater as being too radical at the time, too much of a right-wing patriot. He wasn't even considered to be an insider.

LBJ, however, by passing the Civil Rights Act, produced the seeds for the destruction of the Democratic Party. He even conceded as much to Tom Wicker of the NYTimes that passing the Civil Rights Act would be the downfall of the party. This helped pave the way for the Republicans to regain the presidency with Nixon, by turning the original Dixiecrat Democrats of the South to vote Republican in opposition to the passing of the Civil Rights Act.

[John Simkin]

LBJ, however, by passing the Civil Rights Act, produced the seeds for the destruction of the Democratic Party. He even conceded as much to Tom Wicker of the NYTimes that passing the Civil Rights Act would be the downfall of the party. This helped pave the way for the Republicans to regain the presidency with Nixon, by turning the original Dixiecrat Democrats of the South to vote Republican in opposition to the passing of the Civil Rights Act. (Terry Mauro)

You raise an interesting point. Historians usually claim that LBJ passed this Civil Rights legislation because he was concerned with the way he would be seen in the future. However, I am not convinced by this argument. LBJ had been a long time opponent of civil rights legislation (he was one of those in Congress involved in blocking anti-lynching legislation). He also took part in smear campaigns against genuine supporters of civil rights such as Ralph Yarborough. More importantly, his financial backers were totally opposed to this legislation.

What happened to change LBJ’s opinions on this subject? My guess is that he was being blackmailed. I expect someone (maybe Yarborough) had information about LBJ’s link with the assassination.

Terry’s theory is an interesting one. It is no doubt true that LBJ’s legislation on civil rights severely damaged support for the Democratic Party in the Deep South.

Does anyone else have any theories (or evidence) that helps to explain LBJ’s actions on this issue.

[Anthony Frank]

Quote (Terry Mauro on 7/05/04)

The Military Industrial Complex would have been much better off with Barry Goldwater as President.

That may have been so, but alot of people perceived Goldwater as being too radical at the time, too much of a right-wing patriot.

It is true that Goldwater was very radical.

The only states that went to Goldwater in 1964, besides his home state of Arizona, were five Southern segregationist states; Louisiana, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.

But as I have cited many times, the people that killed President Kennedy were also planning on killing President Johnson on Saturday, October 31, 1964, so that Goldwater would win the election on Tuesday, November 3, 1964.

What stopped them was the fact that the Suffolk County Police discovered their fall guy.

On October 31, 1964, Suffolk County Police arrested Robert Babcock 300 yards from Republic Aviation Corporation in New York, where President Johnson stepped from his plane on the company’s airstrip eight minutes later.

He was arrested because he had a telescopic rifle on the seat beside him and a loaded shotgun in his trunk. Detectives spotted him in a routine check and took him into custody twenty minutes before the President passed by.

[see Dallas Morning News, 11/1/64, page 10, & New York Times, 11/1/64, page 78]

“The President’s motorcade had been expected to make a number of stops along the motorcade route . . .”

Robert Babcock was questioned by Suffolk County Police and the Secret Service, and “said first that he had been going on a hunting trip when he decided to stop and see the motorcade. He then said he made a bet with barroom acquaintances that he could do what he did without being detected.”

“He was charged with disorderly conduct and jailed for the night.”

There were no bullets for the telescopic rifle, which would have been conducive to persuading him to take this action, but that would be easily rectified, and Robert Babcock would have found it impossible to understand how the murder weapon could be alleged to have been in his possession, and why the loaded shotgun in his trunk made him look more guilty.

The Suffolk County Police gave an alibi to a man who wasn’t supposed to have one, a man who was intrinsic to a Presidential assassination, and the “Secret Service” was so easily appeased because they knew their plans had gone awry and they wanted this to receive as little attention as possible. Where, when, why, and how he obtained the weapons, or if he owned them, was instantaneously of no significance, and the anonymous “barroom acquaintances” that persuaded him to take this action by making a bet with him remained anonymous, while he was simply charged with “disorderly conduct.”

The easily duped Mr. Babcock could’ve simply driven to the area of the first scheduled stop after one or more of the “barroom acquaintances” told him where it was. They could have also told him that where he would park wasn’t actually near the first scheduled stop. Or he could have even been told to first park along the motorcade route, and then drive a certain distance behind the motorcade as it traveled to the area of the first scheduled stop as part of the bet.

The “barroom acquaintances” were undoubtedly sure that he intended to carry out their plans as he left.

As he embarked on his daring venture, his instigators could have also said, “We know nothing’s going to happen but if it does, just get in your car and get out of there,” which would have been very conducive to making it look like he was the assassin.

Pulling out their money and saying, “We’ll see you when you get back, and we’ll know if you didn’t do it,” would have affirmed Robert Babcock’s idea that he was going to come into some easy money with a simplistic act.

Whatever the exact details of this assassination plan were, one thing is certain; those who assassinated President Kennedy were going to assassinate President Johnson on October 31, 1964, and Robert Babcock was going to be the accused assassin.

What is also crystal clear from the details given, is that a man can be paid money to sit along the motorcade route of the President of the United States with a telescopic rifle on the seat beside him and a loaded shotgun in the trunk, and the United States “Secret Service” will do nothing but charge him with disorderly conduct and jail him for the night.

After Kennedy was assassinated the prevailing opinion from politicians of both parties and even among Goldwater’s own supporters, was that only a moderate Republican, not the ultra-conservative Barry Goldwater, could defeat President Lyndon Johnson in the 1964 election. Obviously, assassinating President Johnson on Saturday, October 31, 1964, would’ve easily rectified this problem and assured that Barry Goldwater would be elected President of the United States on Tuesday, November 3, 1964.

The 25th Amendment to the Constitution, providing for Presidential succession and the appointment of a new Vice President, didn’t become part of the Constitution until February 1967. There was no Vice President on Saturday, October 31, 1964.

Representative John W. McCormack of Massachusetts, elected Speaker of the House in January 1962 after House Speaker Sam Rayburn died, would have become President, and no state in the South, nor the state that would elect Ronald Reagan as Governor in 1966, conservative California, “the heart of Western conservatism” that flourished in the mountain states, would be going to the liberal Representative from Massachusetts, who would have two days to convince people that he should be President; two days to convince people that his thirty-four months as Speaker of the House made him more qualified to be President of the United States than the well-traveled high-profile Barry Goldwater.

Liberal Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, who was President Johnson’s running mate, certainly wouldn’t have fared much better in a race with Barry Goldwater, and there would have been mass confusion on November 3, 1964, as people voted in a contest between a dead President and Barry Goldwater.

People who were determined to vote against Goldwater would have to figure out whether they were trying to elect President McCormack or, if when they voted for the Johnson-Humphrey ticket, they were trying to elect Hubert Humphrey to the Office of President.

Were they trying to elect President McCormack while electing Hubert Humphrey to the Office of Vice President, or were they trying to elect one of them to the Office of President while not electing anyone to the Office of Vice President?

If Senator Humphrey declared that he had a better chance of defeating Barry Goldwater, or if he declared that he was entitled to be the nominee, it certainly would have compounded the confusion during the two days that “President McCormack” would have had in which to announce his candidacy.

Devout opponents of Barry Goldwater would have to tune in to the news, read the newspapers on Sunday and Monday, and try to find out from polling officials just who and what they were voting for as they futilely tried to prevent Barry Goldwater from being elected President.

The “Secret Service” would have realized their goal of having Barry Goldwater elected President.

Robert Babcock’s story about a bet with “barroom acquaintances” wouldn’t have helped him any more than a letter to “President Goldwater” stating, as a very upset Lee Harvey Oswald once said, “I emphatically deny these charges.”

And let's not forget that the fall guy in Kennedy's assassination was encouraged too.

On January 19, 1970, “Senator Richard B. Russell, Democrat of Georgia, said today he never believed Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated President Kennedy without at least some encouragement from others . . . The 72-year-old Senator made the statements to newsmen in response to questions prompted by an article in the Washington Post based on a series of taped interviews he recorded . . . Senator Russell said the Warren Commission was not able to investigate specifically the source of such possible encouragement, and he added he could not pinpoint it.”

[see New York Times, 1/20/70, page 16]

There you have it. They were going to kill Johnson right before the election to make sure Goldwater was elected President.

Tony

Edited July 5, 2004 by Anthony Frank