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TEN BIGGEST MISTAKES MADE IN THE JFK INVESTIGATION BY RESEARCHERS

10. Letting Lone-Nutters and SBT Morons to lead or set your agendas and waste your time.

9. Ignoring the "First Response Obvious Suspects" to somehow escape your continued scrutiny.

(Almost universally the Right Wing Racist and anti-Communist Extremists were globally,

universally and correctly blamed for the Murder of JFK.) Then you follow THEIR lead and

start pointing fingers at THEIR list of Xenophobic Scapegoat targets: i) The Communists

instead of at the anti-Communists, ii) The Jews instead of at the anti-Semites (Michael C.

Piper), iii) The Italians and The Unions and The Mob instead of at the anti-Italians (The Drapers) and

the anti-Unionists and the anti-Mobsters like the Kohlers, the Harnishfegers, the Millikens,

the Drapers, the anti-Union Senators like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond. iv) The

Homosexuals instead of at the anti-Gay forces like Michael Valentine, The Religious Right

and the Rev. Jerry Falwell's, etc. v) The entire elected US Government instead of at the

anti-Government forces like the Militia Movements, the Right Wing Extremists, the Anarchists

8. Letting the first-line-of-defense volunteer deflectors and scapegoaters like Dr. Revilo

P. Oliver, Rev. Billy James Hargis, Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith and Robert J. Morris actually

convince you that their list of suspects is the Right place to look. Shame on you for

being brainwashed so easily. Shame on you for being so stupid. Shame on you. These

guys were professional mind control experts and your brain was such an easy target.

7. Looking where the light is the brightest and where the dust has been stirred

instead of doing the digging, the interviewing and the research in the hard and

the inaccessible, dark places.

6. Wasting time on things like Guns and Gore which only have a slim hope of answering

the most trivial and binary sort of questions like: Was there "A CONSPIRACY OR NOT"?

Was there more than 1 shooter or NOT? Duhhhhh? Get real! You STILL don't know the

answer to those elementary questions? You MUST be easily influenced and swayed.

Or you must just enjoy Guns and Gore and engaging in Ritualized Circle Jerks and

never-ending, inconclusive, arguments.

5. Losing focus on what level of the conspiracy holds the most promise for a SOLUTION

as to the "IDENTITY OF THE CONSPIRATORS", their "MOTIVATIONS" and their "SPONSORS". These

are the ONLY things which are important. WHO PLANNED it out? WHO GUARANTEED the proper

levels of support for the cover-up? And Qui Bono? Who benefitted the most? Where is the

evidence of suspicious cash flows and profiting from the escalation of The Viet Nam War for

instance? Or where were their financial bailouts of an entire company and the ensuing

enrichment of the company performing the takeover? Who started 1964 with $5,000 and

ending up building a Right Wing Religious monument project in the Deep South costing over

$500,000.00 according to documents produced by his biographer?

4. Ignoring the newsreels, the newspapers and the major events of conflict and violence

in the late 1950's and the early 1960's which served as both the predecessors and successors

of the ultimate Act of Violence, Hate and Retribution. Ever hear of The Ole Miss Riots,

the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Bay of Pigs, the Assassination of Medgar EVers, Jr., The

Bombing the 15th Street Baptist Church in Montgomery, Alabama, The lynchings and murders

of blacks and Civil Rights workers in the Deep South, The Desegregation of the Little Rock

Arkansas School Dept., the death and demise of McCarthyism, The rumblings of The Cold War

saber rattlers? Examine the POLITICAL CLIMATES of EXTREMISM, VIOLENCE, REVENGE and

RETRIBUTION and you will find the common threads which run among all of these events

in the news in the early 1960's and it will be painfully obvious who killed JFK.

3. Ignoring the major beneficiaries as a result of the Death of JFK, what they HOPED to gain

for thier participation in the JFK plot is just as important as what some people actually

gained. Don't eliminate someone just because they didn't gain what they expected. And

certainly don't include someone unless you can FIND and PROVE a miraculous flow of funds

within a reasonable timeframe following the Assassination which defies all logic. For

instance WHERE did Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith get the $500,000 plus required to build his

Christ of The Ozarks Theme Park and Bible Museum in Eureka Springs, Arkansas starting in

the Spring of 1964? And WHY did Rockwell Standard (Rockwell International) advance Wickliffe

P. Draper and his family almost $100,000,000 in tax-favored Preferred Stock for a failing

Textile Machinery Company. Later Rockwell became one of the 2 largest beneficiaries of

The Viet Nam War becoming a multi-Billion dollar financial behemoth before being forced to

sell out to Boeing Corp when their ultimate motivations were revealed to the SEC.

2. Spending too much time on exploring the thoroughly sanitized background of Lee Harvey

Oswald while putting on blinders regarding the reasons WHY he could have been both The

Perfect Patsy in the JFK hit AND A Programmed Mind Controlled Assassin in previous hits.

If you think Guns and Gore were fruitful arenas for examination, you just must love digging

through LHO's garbage. Ignoring the realistic possibility that Lee Harvey Oswald was only

inserted into the plot BECAUSE of his background as a TRAINED, PROGRAMMED ASSASSIN.

1. Focusing on Triangulation of Fire in Dealey Plaza instead of on the Triangulation of

Logic exposed by 5 or more different lines of reasoning from 5 or more different persons

who were WELL POSITIONED to KNOW. All of these people, while operating independently and

by using distinct means and methods all reached roughly the SAME CONCLUSIONS and came up

with the SAME LIST of GUILTY SUSPECTS. i) Richard Condon in The Manchurian Candidate (1958)

(John Birch Society, Draper-led Eugenicists and The American Security Council) ii) Dwight

D. Eisenhower in his Farewell Address (1960) (Military Industrial Complex

and private organizations like The American Security Council) iii) Jack Ruby in his WC

Testimony (The Dallas John Birch Society and anti-Semites) iv) Bill Turner and Mae Brussell

(Robert J. Morris and Charles A. Willoughby (of The Dallas John Birch Society and The

American Security Council) (1983) v) Dick Russell and his informant in The Man Who Knew Too

Much (Charles A. Willoughby of The Dallas John Birch Society and The American Security

Council and Gen. Douglas A. MacArthur and unknown influences of The Manchurian Candidate)

(1994)

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1. Continuing to debate the conspiracy/no conspiracy, or "how" question.

Each and every presentation we make must begin and end with this statement of fact: Conspiracy in the death of JFK is the truth and has been demonstrated beyond all doubt. To engage in debate on this question is, by definition, to play into the hands of the assassins.

Anyone with reasonable access to the JFK evidence who does not conclude conspiracy is cognitively impaired and/or complicit in the crime. It's that simple.

2. Refusing to segregate the "how," "who," and "why" questions.

The layman's natural inclination is to jump to the second and third issues, and by definition to infer that, absent certitude regarding "who" and "why," the "how" must remain in doubt.

3. Failing to understand that we are at war with the killers of JFK.

The rest are, in the words of Hyman Roth, small potatoes.

Charles

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TEN BIGGEST MISTAKES MADE IN THE JFK INVESTIGATION BY RESEARCHERS

10. Letting Lone-Nutters and SBT Morons to lead or set your agendas and waste your time.

9. Ignoring the "First Response Obvious Suspects" to somehow escape your continued scrutiny.

(Almost universally the Right Wing Racist and anti-Communist Extremists were globally,

universally and correctly blamed for the Murder of JFK.) Then you follow THEIR lead and

start pointing fingers at THEIR list of Xenophobic Scapegoat targets: (a) The Communists

instead of at the anti-Communists, (:rolleyes: The Jews instead of at the anti-Semites (Michael C.

Piper), © The Italians and The Unions and The Mob instead of at the anti-Italians (The Drapers) and

the anti-Unionists and the anti-Mobsters like the Kohlers, the Harnishfegers, the Millikens,

the Drapers, the anti-Union Senators like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond. (d) The

Homosexuals instead of at the anti-Gay forces like Michael Valentine, The Religious Right

and the Rev. Jerry Falwell's, etc. (e) The entire elected US Government instead of at the

anti-Government forces like the Militia Movements, the Right Wing Extremists, the Anarchists

8. Letting the first-line-of-defense volunteer deflectors and scapegoaters like Dr. Revilo

P. Oliver, Rev. Billy James Hargis, Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith and Robert J. Morris actually

convince you that their list of suspects is the Right place to look. Shame on you for

being brainwashed so easily. Shame on you for being so stupid. Shame on you. These

guys were professional mind control experts and your brain was such an easy target.

7. Looking where the light is the brightest and where the dust has been stirred

instead of doing the digging, the interviewing and the research in the hard and

the inaccessible, dark places.

6. Wasting time on things like Guns and Gore which only have a slim hope of answering

the most trivial and binary sort of questions like: Was there "A CONSPIRACY OR NOT"?

Was there more than 1 shooter or NOT? Duhhhhh? Get real! You STILL don't know the

answer to those elementary questions? You MUST be easily influenced and swayed.

Or you must just enjoy Guns and Gore and engaging in Ritualized Circle Jerks and

never-ending, inconclusive, arguments.

5. Losing focus on what level of the conspiracy holds the most promise for a SOLUTION

as to the "IDENTITY OF THE CONSPIRATORS", their "MOTIVATIONS" and their "SPONSORS". These

are the ONLY things which are important. WHO PLANNED it out? WHO GUARANTEED the proper

levels of support for the cover-up? And Qui Bono? Who benefitted the most? Where is the

evidence of suspicious cash flows and profiting from the escalation of The Viet Nam War for

instance? Or where were their financial bailouts of an entire company and the ensuing

enrichment of the company performing the takeover? Who started 1964 with $5,000 and

ending up building a Right Wing Religious monument project in the Deep South costing over

$500,000.00 according to documents produced by his biographer?

4. Ignoring the newsreels, the newspapers and the major events of conflict and violence

in the late 1950's and the early 1960's which served as both the predecessors and successors

of the ultimate Act of Violence, Hate and Retribution. Ever hear of The Ole Miss Riots,

the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Bay of Pigs, the Assassination of Medgar EVers, Jr., The

Bombing the 15th Street Baptist Church in Montgomery, Alabama, The lynchings and murders

of blacks and Civil Rights workers in the Deep South, The Desegregation of the Little Rock

Arkansas School Dept., the death and demise of McCarthyism, The rumblings of The Cold War

saber rattlers? Examine the POLITICAL CLIMATES of EXTREMISM, VIOLENCE, REVENGE and

RETRIBUTION and you will find the common threads which run among all of these events

in the news in the early 1960's and it will be painfully obvious who killed JFK.

3. Ignoring the major beneficiaries as a result of the Death of JFK, what they HOPED to gain

for thier participation in the JFK plot is just as important as what some people actually

gained. Don't eliminate someone just because they didn't gain what they expected. And

certainly don't include someone unless you can FIND and PROVE a miraculous flow of funds

within a reasonable timeframe following the Assassination which defies all logic. For

instance WHERE did Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith get the $500,000 plus required to build his

Christ of The Ozarks Theme Park and Bible Museum in Eureka Springs, Arkansas starting in

the Spring of 1964? And WHY did Rockwell Standard (Rockwell International) advance Wickliffe

P. Draper and his family almost $100,000,000 in tax-favored Preferred Stock for a failing

Textile Machinery Company. Later Rockwell became one of the 2 largest beneficiaries of

The Viet Nam War becoming a multi-Billion dollar financial behemoth before being forced to

sell out to Boeing Corp when their ultimate motivations were revealed to the SEC.

2. Spending too much time on exploring the thoroughly sanitized background of Lee Harvey

Oswald while putting on blinders regarding the reasons WHY he could have been both The

Perfect Patsy in the JFK hit AND A Programmed Mind Controlled Assassin in previous hits.

If you think Guns and Gore were fruitful arenas for examination, you just must love digging

through LHO's garbage. Ignoring the realistic possibility that Lee Harvey Oswald was only

inserted into the plot BECAUSE of his background as a TRAINED, PROGRAMMED ASSASSIN.

1. Focusing on Triangulation of Fire in Dealey Plaza instead of on the Triangulation of

Logic exposed by 5 or more different lines of reasoning from 5 or more different persons

who were WELL POSITIONED to KNOW. All of these people, while operating independently and

by using distinct means and methods all reached roughly the SAME CONCLUSIONS and came up

with the SAME LIST of GUILTY SUSPECTS. (a) Richard Condon in The Manchurian Candidate (1958)

(John Birch Society, Draper-led Eugenicists and The American Security Council) (B) Dwight

D. Eisenhower in his Farewell Address (1960) (Military Industrial Complex

and private organizations like The American Security Council) © Jack Ruby in his WC

Testimony (The Dallas John Birch Society and anti-Semites) (d) Bill Turner and Mae Brussell

(Robert J. Morris and Charles A. Willoughby (of The Dallas John Birch Society and The

American Security Council) (1983) (e) Dick Russell and his informant in The Man Who Knew Too

Much (Charles A. Willoughby of The Dallas John Birch Society and The American Security

Council and Gen. Douglas A. MacArthur and unknown influences of The Manchurian Candidate)

(1994)

Whoops... almost forgot one of the major additional oversights or mistakes. Forgetting that

philosophical descendants of the first response interlopers like Dr. Revilo P. Oliver, Rev. Billy

James Hargis, Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith and Robert J. Morris are or were recently active in

posting deflective and defective responses on Usenet groups and Forums like this very one.

That list would include the recently departeds such as Nathaniel Weyl, Fletcher Prouty,

Philip J. Corso and Marvin Liebmann as well as some hangers-on who were either founders

or members or employees of The John Birch Society, The Liberty Lobby, Young Americans

For Freedom, The Militia Movements, The Minutemen, The World Anti-Communist League,

The White Citizens Councils, The Council For National Policy and The Mississippi Sovereignty

Commission (a/k/a The KKK). In other words there are still those among you still posting

their BS lines of argument and threads who are card-carrying members of those groups

who CLAIM to be searching for the Truth, who CLAIM to be honest Conspiracy Theorists

and who CLAIM to be on The Trail of the Assassins who are in fact never going to point

the finger at their philosophical brethren. Do you all know who had parents who raised

him on the literature of The John Birch Society, for instance, while hosting meetings at this

home for a John Birch Society cell and who was once a member of Young Republicans and

Young Americans For Freedom? Or which infamous research duo took a young researcher

and graphics artist on a "Racist Walking Tour of Dallas" on the way to the ARRB hearing room?

Or which COPA conference attendee once said: "Colonel Prouty is just like us on all the n

issues?" Well just suffice it to say that almost 50% of "JFK Researchers" are either card

carrying members of Far Right Extremist Organizations or have been so thoroughly brain

washed by the continual drumbeat of propaganda spouted by these card carrying members

of the Reich Wing that they have been essentially rendered into Stepford Wives clones of the Far Right

without even knowing it. Sad, but true. And to not know that you are surrounded by the very brainwashers

from the Religious Right, the Political Right, the Military Right, the Education Right and the Business Right

who were both the Character Assassins and the Physical Assassins of John F. Kennedy is evidence

of terminal obtuseness and/or outright complicity with The Far Reich.

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TEN BIGGEST MISTAKES MADE IN THE JFK INVESTIGATION BY RESEARCHERS

10. Letting Lone-Nutters and SBT Morons to lead or set your agendas and waste your time.

9. Ignoring the "First Response Obvious Suspects" to somehow escape your continued scrutiny.

(Almost universally the Right Wing Racist and anti-Communist Extremists were globally,

universally and correctly blamed for the Murder of JFK.) Then you follow THEIR lead and

start pointing fingers at THEIR list of Xenophobic Scapegoat targets: (a) The Communists

instead of at the anti-Communists, (:tomatoes The Jews instead of at the anti-Semites (Michael C.

Piper), © The Italians and The Unions and The Mob instead of at the anti-Italians (The Drapers) and

the anti-Unionists and the anti-Mobsters like the Kohlers, the Harnishfegers, the Millikens,

the Drapers, the anti-Union Senators like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond. (d) The

Homosexuals instead of at the anti-Gay forces like Michael Valentine, The Religious Right

and the Rev. Jerry Falwell's, etc. (e) The entire elected US Government instead of at the

anti-Government forces like the Militia Movements, the Right Wing Extremists, the Anarchists

8. Letting the first-line-of-defense volunteer deflectors and scapegoaters like Dr. Revilo

P. Oliver, Rev. Billy James Hargis, Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith and Robert J. Morris actually

convince you that their list of suspects is the Right place to look. Shame on you for

being brainwashed so easily. Shame on you for being so stupid. Shame on you. These

guys were professional mind control experts and your brain was such an easy target.

7. Looking where the light is the brightest and where the dust has been stirred

instead of doing the digging, the interviewing and the research in the hard and

the inaccessible, dark places.

6. Wasting time on things like Guns and Gore which only have a slim hope of answering

the most trivial and binary sort of questions like: Was there "A CONSPIRACY OR NOT"?

Was there more than 1 shooter or NOT? Duhhhhh? Get real! You STILL don't know the

answer to those elementary questions? You MUST be easily influenced and swayed.

Or you must just enjoy Guns and Gore and engaging in Ritualized Circle Jerks and

never-ending, inconclusive, arguments.

5. Losing focus on what level of the conspiracy holds the most promise for a SOLUTION

as to the "IDENTITY OF THE CONSPIRATORS", their "MOTIVATIONS" and their "SPONSORS". These

are the ONLY things which are important. WHO PLANNED it out? WHO GUARANTEED the proper

levels of support for the cover-up? And Qui Bono? Who benefitted the most? Where is the

evidence of suspicious cash flows and profiting from the escalation of The Viet Nam War for

instance? Or where were their financial bailouts of an entire company and the ensuing

enrichment of the company performing the takeover? Who started 1964 with $5,000 and

ending up building a Right Wing Religious monument project in the Deep South costing over

$500,000.00 according to documents produced by his biographer?

4. Ignoring the newsreels, the newspapers and the major events of conflict and violence

in the late 1950's and the early 1960's which served as both the predecessors and successors

of the ultimate Act of Violence, Hate and Retribution. Ever hear of The Ole Miss Riots,

the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Bay of Pigs, the Assassination of Medgar EVers, Jr., The

Bombing the 15th Street Baptist Church in Montgomery, Alabama, The lynchings and murders

of blacks and Civil Rights workers in the Deep South, The Desegregation of the Little Rock

Arkansas School Dept., the death and demise of McCarthyism, The rumblings of The Cold War

saber rattlers? Examine the POLITICAL CLIMATES of EXTREMISM, VIOLENCE, REVENGE and

RETRIBUTION and you will find the common threads which run among all of these events

in the news in the early 1960's and it will be painfully obvious who killed JFK.

3. Ignoring the major beneficiaries as a result of the Death of JFK, what they HOPED to gain

for thier participation in the JFK plot is just as important as what some people actually

gained. Don't eliminate someone just because they didn't gain what they expected. And

certainly don't include someone unless you can FIND and PROVE a miraculous flow of funds

within a reasonable timeframe following the Assassination which defies all logic. For

instance WHERE did Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith get the $500,000 plus required to build his

Christ of The Ozarks Theme Park and Bible Museum in Eureka Springs, Arkansas starting in

the Spring of 1964? And WHY did Rockwell Standard (Rockwell International) advance Wickliffe

P. Draper and his family almost $100,000,000 in tax-favored Preferred Stock for a failing

Textile Machinery Company. Later Rockwell became one of the 2 largest beneficiaries of

The Viet Nam War becoming a multi-Billion dollar financial behemoth before being forced to

sell out to Boeing Corp when their ultimate motivations were revealed to the SEC.

2. Spending too much time on exploring the thoroughly sanitized background of Lee Harvey

Oswald while putting on blinders regarding the reasons WHY he could have been both The

Perfect Patsy in the JFK hit AND A Programmed Mind Controlled Assassin in previous hits.

If you think Guns and Gore were fruitful arenas for examination, you just must love digging

through LHO's garbage. Ignoring the realistic possibility that Lee Harvey Oswald was only

inserted into the plot BECAUSE of his background as a TRAINED, PROGRAMMED ASSASSIN.

1. Focusing on Triangulation of Fire in Dealey Plaza instead of on the Triangulation of

Logic exposed by 5 or more different lines of reasoning from 5 or more different persons

who were WELL POSITIONED to KNOW. All of these people, while operating independently and

by using distinct means and methods all reached roughly the SAME CONCLUSIONS and came up

with the SAME LIST of GUILTY SUSPECTS. (a) Richard Condon in The Manchurian Candidate (1958)

(John Birch Society, Draper-led Eugenicists and The American Security Council) (B) Dwight

D. Eisenhower in his Farewell Address (1960) (Military Industrial Complex

and private organizations like The American Security Council) © Jack Ruby in his WC

Testimony (The Dallas John Birch Society and anti-Semites) (d) Bill Turner and Mae Brussell

(Robert J. Morris and Charles A. Willoughby (of The Dallas John Birch Society and The

American Security Council) (1983) (e) Dick Russell and his informant in The Man Who Knew Too

Much (Charles A. Willoughby of The Dallas John Birch Society and The American Security

Council and Gen. Douglas A. MacArthur and unknown influences of The Manchurian Candidate)

(1994)

Whoops... almost forgot one of the major additional oversights or mistakes. Forgetting that

philosophical descendants of the first response interlopers like Dr. Revilo P. Oliver, Rev. Billy

James Hargis, Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith and Robert J. Morris are or were recently active in

posting deflective and defective responses on Usenet groups and Forums like this very one.

That list would include the recently departeds such as Nathaniel Weyl, Fletcher Prouty,

Philip J. Corso and Marvin Liebmann as well as some hangers-on who were either founders

or members or employees of The John Birch Society, The Liberty Lobby, Young Americans

For Freedom, The Militia Movements, The Minutemen, The World Anti-Communist League,

The White Citizens Councils, The Council For National Policy and The Mississippi Sovereignty

Commission (a/k/a The KKK). In other words there are still those among you still posting

their BS lines of argument and threads who are card-carrying members of those groups

who CLAIM to be searching for the Truth, who CLAIM to be honest Conspiracy Theorists

and who CLAIM to be on The Trail of the Assassins who are in fact never going to point

the finger at their philosophical brethren. Do you all know who had parents who raised

him on the literature of The John Birch Society, for instance, while hosting meetings at this

home for a John Birch Society cell and who was once a member of Young Republicans and

Young Americans For Freedom? Or which infamous research duo took a young researcher

and graphics artist on a "Racist Walking Tour of Dallas" on the way to the ARRB hearing room?

Or which COPA conference attendee once said: "Colonel Prouty is just like us on all the BLACK.

issues?" Well just suffice it to say that almost 50% of "JFK Researchers" are either card

carrying members of Far Right Extremist Organizations or have been so thoroughly brain

washed by the continual drumbeat of propaganda spouted by these card carrying members

of the Reich Wing that they have been essentially rendered into Stepford Wives clones of the Far Right

without even knowing it. Sad, but true. And to not know that you are surrounded by the very brainwashers

from the Religious Right, the Political Right, the Military Right, the Education Right and the Business Right

who were both the Character Assassins and the Physical Assassins of John F. Kennedy is evidence

of terminal obtuseness and/or outright complicity with The Far Reich.

This is not, I submit a seminar, I shall move it to the JFK section, where more People will be able to respond. Also please be careful of the language you use here, even when quoting others.

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1. Continuing to debate the conspiracy/no conspiracy, or "how" question.

Each and every presentation we make must begin and end with this statement of fact: Conspiracy in the death of JFK is the truth and has been demonstrated beyond all doubt. To engage in debate on this question is, by definition, to play into the hands of the assassins.

Anyone with reasonable access to the JFK evidence who does not conclude conspiracy is cognitively impaired and/or complicit in the crime. It's that simple.

2. Refusing to segregate the "how," "who," and "why" questions.

The layman's natural inclination is to jump to the second and third issues, and by definition to infer that, absent certitude regarding "who" and "why," the "how" must remain in doubt.

3. Failing to understand that we are at war with the killers of JFK.

The rest are, in the words of Hyman Roth, small potatoes.

Charles

I agree with most of your observations, Charles, particularly No. 2 re segregating the how, who and why issues.

And thanks for the gratuitous Hyman Roth quote.

I find myself quoting Godfather I and II lines with some frequency.

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John B. "Ignoring the "First Response Obvious Suspects" to somehow escape your continued scrutiny.

(Almost universally the Right Wing Racist and anti-Communist Extremists were globally, universally and correctly blamed for the Murder of JFK.)"

Amen. (ditto to much of the rest.). One reason I regularly quote (bearing in mind the topic heading portion re self-examination, perhaps one of the least explored aspect of the universe as it is filtered/reacted to or against, through the sense organs to the mind. (IOW. the world as one believes it to be due to various filterings, pavlovian responses and self denial expedites the blinkering to the truth as it is, as opposed to how one may 'wish' it to be.)) the Rolling Stones song "Sympathy for the Devil" particularly "...who am I...what's my name...I rode a Tank when the Blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank...I shouted out "Who Killed the Kennedy's" when after all it was you and me...". IOW the base Human attributes of Inhumanity that everyone separates from their selves in order to find some semblance of absolution.

As you point out it is by looking at the instinctive, perhaps intuitive, recognition of the perspective the assassins came from and dealing with self in the process the focus can be maintained on that which is obvious, but loaded with gateways facilitating an externalisation of said base aspects of self and thus lubricating the paths of misdirections as listed.

Through an eqanimous analysis occams razor leads straight to the suspect elements as olutlined. (IMO) (FWIW)

Thank you.

(And, Stephen, thank you for moving it here.)

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John B. "Ignoring the "First Response Obvious Suspects" to somehow escape your continued scrutiny.

(Almost universally the Right Wing Racist and anti-Communist Extremists were globally, universally and correctly blamed for the Murder of JFK.)"

Amen. (ditto to much of the rest.). One reason I regularly quote (bearing in mind the topic heading portion re self-examination, perhaps one of the least explored aspect of the universe as it is filtered/reacted to or against, through the sense organs to the mind. (IOW. the world as one believes it to be due to various filterings, pavlovian responses and self denial expedites the blinkering to the truth as it is, as opposed to how one may 'wish' it to be.)) the Rolling Stones song "Sympathy for the Devil" particularly "...who am I...what's my name...I rode a Tank when the Blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank...I shouted out "Who Killed the Kennedy's" when after all it was you and me...". IOW the base Human attributes of Inhumanity that everyone separates from their selves in order to find some semblance of absolution.

As you point out it is by looking at the instinctive, perhaps intuitive, recognition of the perspective the assassins came from and dealing with self in the process the focus can be maintained on that which is obvious, but loaded with gateways facilitating an externalisation of said base aspects of self and thus lubricating the paths of misdirections as listed.

Through an eqanimous analysis occams razor leads straight to the suspect elements as olutlined. (IMO) (FWIW)

Thank you.

(And, Stephen, thank you for moving it here.)

Thanks for your response and insights. About the only sign of hope I see in this entire conundrum is the fact that other

unsolved "Civil Rights" murders are being pursued to their ultimate conclusion in the Deep South. And I truly believe

that the perps made the murder of JFK fall into this category. How do I know? Because Roy Hargraves, one of "Nellie's

Boys" from South Florida, in a moment of candor, confessed this fact to Mary Ferrell. And Mary considered Roy to be one

of her best and most trustworthy confidantes with some inside information regarding how it all went down. He also

fingered Col. Robert F. Baird and Mitch Werbell III, Capt. Medric Johnson of Walker's American Vigilante Group, and an

enigmatic figure who allegedly worked for the Boston Metals Processing Company in Baltimore, MD by the name of

Harold B. Chait, who was identified by Robert Maxwell from The Bank of Maryland as a CIA agent working for a CIA

front. Maxwell was an Iran Contra whistle blower who made some headway in identifying another account at the Bank

of Maryland involved in funneling money for gun running into Nicaragua. Chait is deceased now and so are the others.

Baird and Johnson died after being shot "execution style" shortly after the JFK hit. And Werbel, the son of a former

Czarist cavalry officer, like Vonsiatsky joins a long list of Czarists longing for the return of pre-Bolshevik Revolution

monarchist rule to the Russian scene. Even Warren DeBreuys (sp?) the FBI agent was related to former Czarists as

well as George DeMohrenschildt whose wife Jeanne was born under Czarist exile in Harbin, Manchuria (Manchuoko).

Their motivation as staunch anti-Communists is more patently obvious. But the Walker, Morris and Willoughby ASC

crowd convinced the Mississippi racists to pull the trigger using the Medgar Evers, Jr. murder as an example of how

you could get away with murder with a little help from your friends. They also cited various lynchings and the 15th

Street Baptish Church bombing as examples of how easy it was to perform a hit and run murder and be exonerated.

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I would add to the list:

1. Failing to focus on Jack Ruby's assassination of LHO, his own mob contacts, and his travel and associations before the assassination.

I keep getting back to the point of how the LN's explain away why a low life strip joint owner (redundancy alert) with former mod connections would gratuitously throw his own life away to ensure that the First Lady doesn't have to take the stand in LHO's trial.

The only explanation for this is that there was a conspiracy and that people with a lot to lose were afraid LHO would talk.

I plan to read Posner's book on this point, but it is completely inexplicable in the absence of some type of conspiracy.

2. The deaths of so many people connected to the assassination.

These are similarly inexplicable in the absence of some type of conspiracy.

And who was proficient at making people go away? The mob and the CIA.

3. If LHO really was the only participant in the assassination, then, 44 after the assassination, why won't the Federal government release all of its JFK assassination records?

The LN's take the position that we should trust the government's first (WC) conclusion on the matter and accept the fact that it has some bona fide, but undisclosed, reason for keeping the records under lock and key. Are they serious? If the records supported the government's position on this matter, do you really think that it would not have released the records by now?

You cannot simply view a thorough investigation of the assassination through a myopic focus on whether LHO could have fired 3 shots. You can't ignore that issue, but it is one of many which need to be resolved in any investigation of the assassination.

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TEN BIGGEST MISTAKES MADE IN THE JFK INVESTIGATION BY RESEARCHERS

10. Letting Lone-Nutters and SBT Morons to lead or set your agendas and waste your time.

9. Ignoring the "First Response Obvious Suspects" to somehow escape your continued scrutiny.

(Almost universally the Right Wing Racist and anti-Communist Extremists were globally,

universally and correctly blamed for the Murder of JFK.) Then you follow THEIR lead and

start pointing fingers at THEIR list of Xenophobic Scapegoat targets: (a) The Communists

instead of at the anti-Communists, (:) The Jews instead of at the anti-Semites (Michael C.

Piper), © The Italians and The Unions and The Mob instead of at the anti-Italians (The Drapers) and

the anti-Unionists and the anti-Mobsters like the Kohlers, the Harnishfegers, the Millikens,

the Drapers, the anti-Union Senators like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond. (d) The

Homosexuals instead of at the anti-Gay forces like Michael Valentine, The Religious Right

and the Rev. Jerry Falwell's, etc. (e) The entire elected US Government instead of at the

anti-Government forces like the Militia Movements, the Right Wing Extremists, the Anarchists

8. Letting the first-line-of-defense volunteer deflectors and scapegoaters like Dr. Revilo

P. Oliver, Rev. Billy James Hargis, Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith and Robert J. Morris actually

convince you that their list of suspects is the Right place to look. Shame on you for

being brainwashed so easily. Shame on you for being so stupid. Shame on you. These

guys were professional mind control experts and your brain was such an easy target.

7. Looking where the light is the brightest and where the dust has been stirred

instead of doing the digging, the interviewing and the research in the hard and

the inaccessible, dark places.

6. Wasting time on things like Guns and Gore which only have a slim hope of answering

the most trivial and binary sort of questions like: Was there "A CONSPIRACY OR NOT"?

Was there more than 1 shooter or NOT? Duhhhhh? Get real! You STILL don't know the

answer to those elementary questions? You MUST be easily influenced and swayed.

Or you must just enjoy Guns and Gore and engaging in Ritualized Circle Jerks and

never-ending, inconclusive, arguments.

5. Losing focus on what level of the conspiracy holds the most promise for a SOLUTION

as to the "IDENTITY OF THE CONSPIRATORS", their "MOTIVATIONS" and their "SPONSORS". These

are the ONLY things which are important. WHO PLANNED it out? WHO GUARANTEED the proper

levels of support for the cover-up? And Qui Bono? Who benefitted the most? Where is the

evidence of suspicious cash flows and profiting from the escalation of The Viet Nam War for

instance? Or where were their financial bailouts of an entire company and the ensuing

enrichment of the company performing the takeover? Who started 1964 with $5,000 and

ending up building a Right Wing Religious monument project in the Deep South costing over

$500,000.00 according to documents produced by his biographer?

4. Ignoring the newsreels, the newspapers and the major events of conflict and violence

in the late 1950's and the early 1960's which served as both the predecessors and successors

of the ultimate Act of Violence, Hate and Retribution. Ever hear of The Ole Miss Riots,

the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Bay of Pigs, the Assassination of Medgar EVers, Jr., The

Bombing the 15th Street Baptist Church in Montgomery, Alabama, The lynchings and murders

of blacks and Civil Rights workers in the Deep South, The Desegregation of the Little Rock

Arkansas School Dept., the death and demise of McCarthyism, The rumblings of The Cold War

saber rattlers? Examine the POLITICAL CLIMATES of EXTREMISM, VIOLENCE, REVENGE and

RETRIBUTION and you will find the common threads which run among all of these events

in the news in the early 1960's and it will be painfully obvious who killed JFK.

3. Ignoring the major beneficiaries as a result of the Death of JFK, what they HOPED to gain

for thier participation in the JFK plot is just as important as what some people actually

gained. Don't eliminate someone just because they didn't gain what they expected. And

certainly don't include someone unless you can FIND and PROVE a miraculous flow of funds

within a reasonable timeframe following the Assassination which defies all logic. For

instance WHERE did Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith get the $500,000 plus required to build his

Christ of The Ozarks Theme Park and Bible Museum in Eureka Springs, Arkansas starting in

the Spring of 1964? And WHY did Rockwell Standard (Rockwell International) advance Wickliffe

P. Draper and his family almost $100,000,000 in tax-favored Preferred Stock for a failing

Textile Machinery Company. Later Rockwell became one of the 2 largest beneficiaries of

The Viet Nam War becoming a multi-Billion dollar financial behemoth before being forced to

sell out to Boeing Corp when their ultimate motivations were revealed to the SEC.

2. Spending too much time on exploring the thoroughly sanitized background of Lee Harvey

Oswald while putting on blinders regarding the reasons WHY he could have been both The

Perfect Patsy in the JFK hit AND A Programmed Mind Controlled Assassin in previous hits.

If you think Guns and Gore were fruitful arenas for examination, you just must love digging

through LHO's garbage. Ignoring the realistic possibility that Lee Harvey Oswald was only

inserted into the plot BECAUSE of his background as a TRAINED, PROGRAMMED ASSASSIN.

1. Focusing on Triangulation of Fire in Dealey Plaza instead of on the Triangulation of

Logic exposed by 5 or more different lines of reasoning from 5 or more different persons

who were WELL POSITIONED to KNOW. All of these people, while operating independently and

by using distinct means and methods all reached roughly the SAME CONCLUSIONS and came up

with the SAME LIST of GUILTY SUSPECTS. (a) Richard Condon in The Manchurian Candidate (1958)

(John Birch Society, Draper-led Eugenicists and The American Security Council) (B) Dwight

D. Eisenhower in his Farewell Address (1960) (Military Industrial Complex

and private organizations like The American Security Council) © Jack Ruby in his WC

Testimony (The Dallas John Birch Society and anti-Semites) (d) Bill Turner and Mae Brussell

(Robert J. Morris and Charles A. Willoughby (of The Dallas John Birch Society and The

American Security Council) (1983) (e) Dick Russell and his informant in The Man Who Knew Too

Much (Charles A. Willoughby of The Dallas John Birch Society and The American Security

Council and Gen. Douglas A. MacArthur and unknown influences of The Manchurian Candidate)

(1994)

Whoops... almost forgot one of the major additional oversights or mistakes. Forgetting that

philosophical descendants of the first response interlopers like Dr. Revilo P. Oliver, Rev. Billy

James Hargis, Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith and Robert J. Morris are or were recently active in

posting deflective and defective responses on Usenet groups and Forums like this very one.

That list would include the recently departeds such as Nathaniel Weyl, Fletcher Prouty,

Philip J. Corso and Marvin Liebmann as well as some hangers-on who were either founders

or members or employees of The John Birch Society, The Liberty Lobby, Young Americans

For Freedom, The Militia Movements, The Minutemen, The World Anti-Communist League,

The White Citizens Councils, The Council For National Policy and The Mississippi Sovereignty

Commission (a/k/a The KKK). In other words there are still those among you still posting

their BS lines of argument and threads who are card-carrying members of those groups

who CLAIM to be searching for the Truth, who CLAIM to be honest Conspiracy Theorists

and who CLAIM to be on The Trail of the Assassins who are in fact never going to point

the finger at their philosophical brethren. Do you all know who had parents who raised

him on the literature of The John Birch Society, for instance, while hosting meetings at this

home for a John Birch Society cell and who was once a member of Young Republicans and

Young Americans For Freedom? Or which infamous research duo took a young researcher

and graphics artist on a "Racist Walking Tour of Dallas" on the way to the ARRB hearing room?

Or which COPA conference attendee once said: "Colonel Prouty is just like us on all the n

issues?" Well just suffice it to say that almost 50% of "JFK Researchers" are either card

carrying members of Far Right Extremist Organizations or have been so thoroughly brain

washed by the continual drumbeat of propaganda spouted by these card carrying members

of the Reich Wing that they have been essentially rendered into Stepford Wives clones of the Far Right

without even knowing it. Sad, but true. And to not know that you are surrounded by the very brainwashers

from the Religious Right, the Political Right, the Military Right, the Education Right and the Business Right

who were both the Character Assassins and the Physical Assassins of John F. Kennedy is evidence

of terminal obtuseness and/or outright complicity with The Far Reich.

Hi, John

You and the other posters on the subject here are on track. My own past associations

prove your direction, some examples are;

{1} I was always an active Republican

{2} also a Minuteman {Southern California}

{3} Member John Birch Society, knowing well Gen. Walker

Robert Welch, and several fringe followers of that philosophy

with which at one time I agreed {until the actual death of JFK}

{4}only 'some' of these experiences are outlined under my name

on the Simkin Forum and may be of interest to you and others?

H. Dean

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Hi, John

You and the other posters on the subject here are on track. My own past associations

prove your direction, some examples are;

{1} I was always an active Republican

{2} also a Minuteman {Southern California}

{3} Member John Birch Society, knowing well Gen. Walker

Robert Welch, and several fringe followers of that philosophy

with which at one time I agreed {until the actual death of JFK}

{4}only 'some' of these experiences are outlined under my name

on the Simkin Forum and may be of interest to you and others?

H. Dean

I for one would like to hear your personal insights into persons like Revilo Oliver,

Edwin A. Walker, Robert J. Morris, Robert Welch (part of the N.C. Unitarian connection)

and even one Wickliffe P. Draper who was allegedly a financial sponsor of the California

Minutemen in addition to MKULTRA, The Pioneer Fund, The Mississippi Sovereignty

Commission, The John Birch Society, Human Events, The Liberty Lobby, the First

World Eugenics Conference, the persecution of Alger Hiss and Sacco and Vanzetti,

HUAC, The Draper Committees on Eugenics and Immigration, etc. ad nauseum.

Ever hear of Wickliffe Draper or Ulius Amoss or Carleton Coon in your travels?

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The fanatical right made only one tangible gain from JFK's murder---a stay of execution on the oil depletion allowance.

On the other side of the ledger, they got civil rights legislation for their trouble.

If you want to focus on cui bono, there were bigger winners than southern right-wing church groups:

1. The MIC got a decade of profitable warfare.

2. Israel had their military aid from the US increased from zero to over $200 million by 1967. They also recieved a cozy nod and wink deal from the US about Dimona (in fact, they were so confident that LBJ would not press them on this issue, they offered to host an American inspection team a few days after JFK's death). They got a free pass on the Liberty in 1967. They got to surround LBJ with advisors and confidantes. Jack Valenti even got Hollywood.

3. LBJ got an eleventh hour reprieve from humiliation and prison and a bonus prize--the White House.

These are the front runners, imo.

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Hi, John

You and the other posters on the subject here are on track. My own past associations

prove your direction, some examples are;

{1} I was always an active Republican

{2} also a Minuteman {Southern California}

{3} Member John Birch Society, knowing well Gen. Walker

Robert Welch, and several fringe followers of that philosophy

with which at one time I agreed {until the actual death of JFK}

{4}only 'some' of these experiences are outlined under my name

on the Simkin Forum and may be of interest to you and others?

H. Dean

I for one would like to hear your personal insights into persons like Revilo Oliver,

Edwin A. Walker, Robert J. Morris, Robert Welch (part of the N.C. Unitarian connection)

and even one Wickliffe P. Draper who was allegedly a financial sponsor of the California

Minutemen in addition to MKULTRA, The Pioneer Fund, The Mississippi Sovereignty

Commission, The John Birch Society, Human Events, The Liberty Lobby, the First

World Eugenics Conference, the persecution of Alger Hiss and Sacco and Vanzetti,

HUAC, The Draper Committees on Eugenics and Immigration, etc. ad nauseum.

Ever hear of Wickliffe Draper or Ulius Amoss or Carleton Coon in your travels?

John

Among those listed above that I did know, along with others that I did not, I can

say most were of the same mind, the same fear, of the Kennedy administration

giving the US. over to Communism, or of blending the two systems. The main fear

was that our so-called Conservative/free enterprise ideals would be forever

lost/destroyed under that international socializing threat.

Therefore the deadly serious life-or-death struggle was in the works by a vast

number of 'convinced' patriotic people via the 'hypnotic definitions' spread mainly

by the umbrella organization of the Robert Welch John Birch Society et al.

This reached as well to many powerful influencial, and political persons in place,

and some patriotic fringe radical followers. Such were comforted in knowing

that whoever killed the internal enemy Kennedy would never be exposed or

detected as the powerful 'New Americanist' system quickly taking power would

and did, protect their unsung patriots.

H. Dean

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The fanatical right made only one tangible gain from JFK's murder---a stay of execution on the oil depletion allowance.

On the other side of the ledger, they got civil rights legislation for their trouble.

If you want to focus on cui bono, there were bigger winners than southern right-wing church groups:

1. The MIC got a decade of profitable warfare.

2. Israel had their military aid from the US increased from zero to over $200 million by 1967. They also recieved a cozy nod and wink deal from the US about Dimona (in fact, they were so confident that LBJ would not press them on this issue, they offered to host an American inspection team a few days after JFK's death). They got a free pass on the Liberty in 1967. They got to surround LBJ with advisors and confidantes. Jack Valenti even got Hollywood.

3. LBJ got an eleventh hour reprieve from humiliation and prison and a bonus prize--the White House.

These are the front runners, imo.

The FIRST and most obvious winner in the Manna from Heaven contest goes to Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith

who was at the Winnipeg Airport Incident when he went from a $4,687.84 ending balance as of 12/31/1963

according to his biographer, Glenn Jeansonne, to building Christ of the Ozarks near Eureka Springs, Arkansas

in the Spring of 1964, when he also bought a $100,000 antebellum mansion as well near that $1,000,000

tourist trap. How do you figure he pulled that off?

The NEXT winner was Anastase Vonsiatsky whose millionaire wife had just died after cutting him off from

the family fortune. He retired a millionaire as well.

The BIGGEST winner was Wickliffe P. Draper who fronted the cash to Smith and Vonsiatsky then cashed in

after Rockwell got all the Viet Nam contracts after JFK's death.

The actual cash flow within the MIC went from Rockwell International to the Draper Company on

3/22/67 when Rockwell bought an essentially bankrupt Draper Corp. for $100 million dollars.

Ray S. Cline and Harold Chait also became millionaires shortly after the JFK hit and Cline took over

the Murder, Inc. started by Ulius Amoss and Carleton Coon called ISI in Baltimore, MD and Chait rose

to VP of a Baltimore Metals Processing Company later active in Iran Contra money laundering throught

Maryland National Bank.

As to the largesse you describe for Israel and the Mossad, well... The Yankees went on a World Series tear

after 1963 but they had nothing to do with the JFK hit either and Bill Gates sowed the seeds of Microsoft

when he bought a pocket calculator with his newspaper route money, but he was too young to even vote.

Why do people insist that Israel and the Mossad had something to do with the JFK

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  • The fanatical right made only one tangible gain from JFK's murder---a stay of execution on the oil depletion allowance.
    On the other side of the ledger, they got civil rights legislation for their trouble.
    If you want to focus on cui bono, there were bigger winners than southern right-wing church groups:
    1. The MIC got a decade of profitable warfare.
    2. Israel had their military aid from the US increased from zero to over $200 million by 1967. They also recieved a cozy nod and wink deal from the US about Dimona (in fact, they were so confident that LBJ would not press them on this issue, they offered to host an American inspection team a few days after JFK's death). They got a free pass on the Liberty in 1967. They got to surround LBJ with advisors and confidantes. Jack Valenti even got Hollywood.
    3. LBJ got an eleventh hour reprieve from humiliation and prison and a bonus prize--the White House.
    These are the front runners, imo.
    The FIRST and most obvious winner in the Manna from Heaven contest goes to Rev. Gerald L. K. Smith
    who was at the Winnipeg Airport Incident when he went from a $4,687.84 ending balance as of 12/31/1963
    according to his biographer, Glenn Jeansonne, to building Christ of the Ozarks near Eureka Springs, Arkansas
    in the Spring of 1964, when he also bought a $100,000 antebellum mansion as well near that $1,000,000
    tourist trap. How do you figure he pulled that off?
    The NEXT winner was Anastase Vonsiatsky whose millionaire wife had just died after cutting him off from
    the family fortune. He retired a millionaire as well.
    The BIGGEST winner was Wickliffe P. Draper who fronted the cash to Smith and Vonsiatsky then cashed in
    after Rockwell got all the Viet Nam contracts after JFK's death.
    The actual cash flow within the MIC went from Rockwell International to the Draper Company on
    3/22/67 when Rockwell bought an essentially bankrupt Draper Corp. for $100 million dollars.
    Ray S. Cline and Harold Chait also became millionaires shortly after the JFK hit and Cline took over
    the Murder, Inc. started by Ulius Amoss and Carleton Coon called ISI in Baltimore, MD and Chait rose
    to VP of a Baltimore Metals Processing Company later active in Iran Contra money laundering through
    Maryland National Bank.
    As to the largesse you describe for Israel and the Mossad, well... The Yankees went on a World Series tear
    after 1963 but they had nothing to do with the JFK hit either and Bill Gates sowed the seeds of Microsoft
    when he bought a pocket calculator with his newspaper route money, but he was too young to even vote.
    Why do people insist that Israel and the Mossad had something to do with the JFK hit, anyway? You must be a big fan of Fletcher Prouty and Michael Piper and those of their ilk, right?

The other gains of the Radical Right which have somehow evaded scrutiny include the fact that they got

away with the murders of Medgar Evers, Jr. and Chaney, Schwerner and Goodman and the choir members

of the 16th Street Baptist Church because no one wanted to confront them after the JFK hit. Plus, did you

forget, they got the courage and the funding to kill MLK and RFK, too? That was in ALL the papers. Then

they got Richard Nixon and later Ronald Reagan elected because there were no more Kennedys left who wanted

to run and they got to go after the Commies full bore to bring down the Iron Curtain. Remember that? Then

they started the World Anti Communist League and went after the Commies in Latin America and South America

and in Europe, too.

And they used Human Events, Right Magazine and The Spotlight of The Liberty Lobby to go after the Jews,

the Mossad and the money lenders. Surely, you did not miss that effect, right? You might have jumped on

that bandwagon at that time as well, am I right? Or are you right?

You see these Right Wing fanatics had lots of enemies and ALL of them were used as JFK scapegoats or pillory

victims at one or another right after JFK died... The Jews, the Mob, the Commies, the Gays, the Civil Rights activitists, the Blacks, the Chicanos, you name it they were either pilloried or scapegoated by the Right, right after the JFK murder go check it out it was even on TV, in the papers and in the literature from that day forward. No one could possibly have missed it unless they just wanted to ignore it on purpose.

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