John Simkin Posted July 10, 2004 Posted July 10, 2004 Two recent Senate investigations (9/11 and Iraq) have suggested that the CIA is an incompetent organization. Similar claims were made after the assassination of JFK. However, is it right to believe incompetence is the real problem with the CIA. Is it possible that the CIA is a highly competent organization but is not fulfilling the role being communicated to the public? For example, let us take a look at the CIA’s role in trying to overthrow Fidel Castro. On the surface it does appear to have acted like a group of amateurs in carrying out this task. However, on other occasions, like Chile for example, the CIA were very successful at removing an unwanted ruler from power. They were also very good at covering up their tracks. Personally, I don’t believe this incompetence story. If Castro was not removed, the CIA did not want him removed. If the CIA said there were WMD in Iraq, that is what they wanted the public to believe. JFK was of the opinion that the CIA had its own foreign policy. In reality it was following the instructions of someone else. In the case of Iraq, it appears that the president really was in charge. The Senate Intelligence Committee discovered that Doug Feith, the under secretary of defence for policy, had set up an Iraq “intelligence cell” inside the Pentagon to forage through old reports about links between Baghdad and al-Qaida, which Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and George Bush used to support the policy of invading Iraq. Much of this intelligence came from the Iraqi National Congress (INC) and its leader, Ahmad Chalabi. Jay Rockefeller and the other Democrats on the committee agreed to sign the report that said senior administration officials did not pressure CIA analysts to produce assessments that would support a war. However, Rockefeller, added that the committee had only scratched the surface and the role that Feith and Chalabi played in this affair is to be explored in phase two of the investigation. This of course will not be finished until after the election. What Rockefeller said when the report was published was devastating: “We went to war in Iraq based on false claims… The administration, at all levels, used bad information to bolster its case for war, and we in Congress would not have authorised that war if we knew what we know now.”
Anthony Frank Posted July 10, 2004 Posted July 10, 2004 (edited) The problem with the CIA is renegade CIA officers. I can attest to the fact that in 1984 Bush had a fervent desire to be Governor of Texas and that he entered into a secret agreement with renegade CIA officers to handle his career. He committed a felony involving drugs as part of this secret agreement, and eventually I am going to expose everything about Bush, Kerry, the renegade CIA officers, and the massive bipartisan corruption. Subversive elements inside the CIA {the KGB officers that had infiltrated the CIA, even though this forum doesn't believe they existed} were running things in Kennedy's day. Why would anyone think it was actually Kennedy who was in charge seeing as how they killed Kennedy and covered up their involvement? It's the same story today, but the subversive elements are not KGB officers anymore. They are renegade CIA officers. Renegade CIA officers are only different from the KGB officers that had infiltrated the CIA in that the renegade CIA officers are not from another country. Renegade CIA officers are traitors to this country and they are a grave threat to the national security of this country! On September 29, 1952, the Director of the CIA, General Walter Bedell Smith, former Ambassador to Russia and CIA Director since September 30, 1950, testified at Senate hearings and he stated, “I believe there are Communists in my own organization.” When Senator McCarthy’s counsel, Warren Magee, asked General Smith if he knew who they were, he testified, “I do not. I wish I did. I do everything I can to detect them. I believe they are so adroit and adept that they have infiltrated practically every security agency of the government.” [New York Times, 9-30-52, page 1 & New York Times, 9-30-52, page 4] In February 1953, General Smith acknowledged that he knew that at one time, there had been “a plan for placing Communists in key positions in Government.” [New York Times, 2-7-53, page 6] General Smith, of course, didn’t know that such a plan had been replaced with having CIA officers placed in the Government; CIA officers with political covers as conservatives, moderates, and liberals, all of whom were being handled by KGB officers that had infiltrated US intelligence. In November 1964, the Director of International Political Studies at the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace, a man named Dr. Possony, who had served in U.S. intelligence agencies for 18 years, prepared a report for a Government Operations subcommittee at the request of Congressman Cornelius E. Gallagher. [New York Times, 11-24-64, page 14] “He said that Russian spy schools know all about the CIA’s use of lie detectors in personnel screening, and could be presumed to have no trouble at all training infiltrators to outwit the machine.” Dr. Possony also stated, “There is some ground to believe that Communist agents still are operating in American intelligence organizations and perhaps that there are more of them than ever.” Much has been said of Senator Joseph McCarthy branding countless individuals as Communists in the early 1950s, but McCarthy and his efforts were ultimately discredited and the Senate censured him in 1954. It would have been to the benefit of the KGB officers to be vehemently anticommunist and support McCarthy. By promoting his virulent tactics and the massive scope of his efforts, they could have been mostly responsible for McCarthy’s downfall and discrediting his effort. By November 1964, no one wanted to be branded with “McCarthyism” by venturing down a road to expose “Communist agents” who were still secretly “operating in American intelligence organizations.” Contrary to anyone being inconvenienced by the KGB infiltration of US intelligence, KGB officers endeared themselves to the powers-that-be in the Government and the intelligence community, and they guided the careers of intelligence officers whose own personal wants supplanted an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. The renegade CIA officers who succeeded the KGB officers know that they have little to worry about when it comes to being exposed, but maybe when I expose my information it will change that. Tony Edited July 10, 2004 by Anthony Frank
Ron Ecker Posted July 10, 2004 Posted July 10, 2004 What was the KGB motive for assassinating JFK? What did Russia gain?
Anthony Frank Posted July 10, 2004 Posted July 10, 2004 (edited) Ron, The KGB officers that had infiltrated the CIA began handling American intelligence officers targeted for political office starting in the early 1950s. Some of the most powerful Senators and Congressmen over the years have been in the CIA while they were in Congress. They’ve ranged across the political spectrum from the far left to the far right, as both groups were easy to exploit while the CIA established itself in the government, supporting liberal and conservative causes. George W. Bush’s father, former President George H. W. Bush, had been elected to the House of Representatives in 1966 and he was one of the CIA officers that the KGB was handling. He had a meteoric rise, which includes being touted as man that Richard Nixon should choose for his Vice-Presidential running mate in 1968, even though Bush had been in Congress less than eighteen months and had lost his 1964 Senate Race in Texas. Two years later, as Bush was finishing up his second term in the House and making what would be his second unsuccessful Senate bid, he was touted as the man who should replace Vice President Agnew as Nixon’s running mate in the 1972 election, and as the man who should be elected President in 1976. He was touted for the Vice Presidency a number of times after that as he was maneuvered into various positions, including Director of the CIA, and then Ronald Reagan’s advisers “heavily pressured him” to choose Bush for his running mate in 1980. President Reagan was shot sixty-nine days after he and Bush took the oath of office. In addition to George W. Bush’s father, a partial list of CIA officers targeted for political office includes current Senators Edward Kennedy, Chris Dodd, and Barbara Mikulski, and former Senators Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Claiborne Pell, Barry Goldwater, Thomas Eagleton, and Walter Mondale, and Congressmen Lawrence McDonald and Edwin Forsythe. There were other CIA officers in Congress in 1984 and some of them, besides Senators Kennedy, Dodd, and Mikulski, may still be in Congress. Besides being in the CIA, Barry Goldwater was Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee in 1984 and Daniel Patrick Moynihan, as the ranking Democrat, was Vice Chairman. There were several other intelligence officers on both the House and Senate Intelligence Oversight Committees in 1984, and they also held positions on other key committees, such as the Foreign Relations Committee. Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s CIA code name was John McMahon, and he, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, was Deputy Director of the CIA in 1984. The United States Senate had officially confirmed Daniel Patrick Moynihan as Deputy Director of the CIA and then used his code name for public records so that the American people would not know about the Constitutional violation. The CIA even used a picture of someone else that they claimed was John McMahon. James Carter, Governor of Georgia before he was elected to the Oval Office in 1976, was also an intelligence officer. He was the first intelligence officer that KGB officers managed to get into the nation’s highest office, and he had another intelligence officer, Walter Mondale, as his Vice President. Their first attempt to put an intelligence officer in the Oval Office was in 1964 when Barry Goldwater was the Republican candidate for President. Killing Kennedy was the first stage of the two-pronged effort to put Goldwater into the Oval Office. The second stage was the assassination of President Johnson on October 31, 1964, which they failed to do. Johnson won by a landslide but if they had assassinated him, Goldwater would have won the election three days later. Besides all the obvious reasons for wanting an intelligence officer under their control as President, the main reason for wanting Goldwater as President was that he was a segregationist, and he would be their foremost asset to exasperating a very tense racial situation. Summers of violence followed the advent of growth in the civil rights movement in the early 1960s, due in large part to the fact that KGB officers who had infiltrated the CIA saw racial strife and polarization of society as a means of inciting the masses in the United States. They were responsible for much of the violence that targeted African-Americans, including a Ku Klux Klan church bombing in Birmingham, Alabama, which killed four African-American schoolgirls in September 1963. Civil rights and integration were a paramount issue during the 1960s. By promoting vehement opposition to it and by promoting violence against African-Americans, the KGB officers made it the “central domestic issue,” which is what Daniel Patrick Moynihan called it when, as an official in the Nixon Administration, he made his contribution to the effort, undoubtedly because it was the KGB officers’ “central domestic issue.” The biggest asset in the effort to create racial strife and polarization would have been the election of segregationist Senator Barry Goldwater to the Office of President of the United States at the crucial juncture of 1964, which was not only the year that civil rights legislation was passed, it was prior to the Voting Rights Act of 1965. 1964 was also the year that the 24th Amendment, which outlawed the poll tax that kept impoverished African-Americans from voting, became part of the Constitution. A Goldwater litmus test for appointing Supreme Court Justices who supported segregation would have been horrific. Even without confirmation to the Supreme Court, such nominations would cause anger in the civil rights movement, anger that could be exploited, and anger that could mask the intentions of individuals bent on sabotaging the peaceful drive towards equality. The KGB officers in the CIA killed civil rights leaders Martin Luther King and Senator Robert F. Kennedy in a warped effort to start a race war. (A KGB officer assassinated Martin Luther King. He had been one of two KGB officers that had been part of the three-member team that assassinated President Kennedy.) When the KGB officers killed Martin Luther King on April 4, 1968, which caused considerable racial unrest, it was actually supposed to be a precursor to a “race war” in 1968. Robert F. Kennedy’s assassination on June 5, 1968, before he was to head to Chicago to win the Democratic nomination for President, was meant to be the catalyst in the “race war” that the KGB officers envisioned. If they had managed to get Goldwater elected in 1964, they could have done much more to promote their vision of a "race war." Tony Edited July 10, 2004 by Anthony Frank
JL Allen Posted July 11, 2004 Posted July 11, 2004 Ron,The KGB officers that had infiltrated the CIA began handling American intelligence officers targeted for political office starting in the early 1950s. Some of the most powerful Senators and Congressmen over the years have been in the CIA while they were in Congress. They’ve ranged across the political spectrum from the far left to the far right, as both groups were easy to exploit while the CIA established itself in the government, supporting liberal and conservative causes. George W. Bush’s father, former President George H. W. Bush, had been elected to the House of Representatives in 1966 and he was one of the CIA officers that the KGB was handling. He had a meteoric rise, which includes being touted as man that Richard Nixon should choose for his Vice-Presidential running mate in 1968, even though Bush had been in Congress less than eighteen months and had lost his 1964 Senate Race in Texas. Two years later, as Bush was finishing up his second term in the House and making what would be his second unsuccessful Senate bid, he was touted as the man who should replace Vice President Agnew as Nixon’s running mate in the 1972 election, and as the man who should be elected President in 1976. He was touted for the Vice Presidency a number of times after that as he was maneuvered into various positions, including Director of the CIA, and then Ronald Reagan’s advisers “heavily pressured him” to choose Bush for his running mate in 1980. President Reagan was shot sixty-nine days after he and Bush took the oath of office. In addition to George W. Bush’s father, a partial list of CIA officers targeted for political office includes current Senators Edward Kennedy, Chris Dodd, and Barbara Mikulski, and former Senators Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Claiborne Pell, Barry Goldwater, Thomas Eagleton, and Walter Mondale, and Congressmen Lawrence McDonald and Edwin Forsythe. There were other CIA officers in Congress in 1984 and some of them, besides Senators Kennedy, Dodd, and Mikulski, may still be in Congress. Besides being in the CIA, Barry Goldwater was Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee in 1984 and Daniel Patrick Moynihan, as the ranking Democrat, was Vice Chairman. There were several other intelligence officers on both the House and Senate Intelligence Oversight Committees in 1984, and they also held positions on other key committees, such as the Foreign Relations Committee. Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s CIA code name was John McMahon, and he, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, was Deputy Director of the CIA in 1984. The United States Senate had officially confirmed Daniel Patrick Moynihan as Deputy Director of the CIA and then used his code name for public records so that the American people would not know about the Constitutional violation. The CIA even used a picture of someone else that they claimed was John McMahon. James Carter, Governor of Georgia before he was elected to the Oval Office in 1976, was also an intelligence officer. He was the first intelligence officer that KGB officers managed to get into the nation’s highest office, and he had another intelligence officer, Walter Mondale, as his Vice President. Their first attempt to put an intelligence officer in the Oval Office was in 1964 when Barry Goldwater was the Republican candidate for President. Killing Kennedy was the first stage of the two-pronged effort to put Goldwater into the Oval Office. The second stage was the assassination of President Johnson on October 31, 1964, which they failed to do. Johnson won by a landslide but if they had assassinated him, Goldwater would have won the election three days later. Besides all the obvious reasons for wanting an intelligence officer under their control as President, the main reason for wanting Goldwater as President was that he was a segregationist, and he would be their foremost asset to exasperating a very tense racial situation. Summers of violence followed the advent of growth in the civil rights movement in the early 1960s, due in large part to the fact that KGB officers who had infiltrated the CIA saw racial strife and polarization of society as a means of inciting the masses in the United States. They were responsible for much of the violence that targeted African-Americans, including a Ku Klux Klan church bombing in Birmingham, Alabama, which killed four African-American schoolgirls in September 1963. Civil rights and integration were a paramount issue during the 1960s. By promoting vehement opposition to it and by promoting violence against African-Americans, the KGB officers made it the “central domestic issue,” which is what Daniel Patrick Moynihan called it when, as an official in the Nixon Administration, he made his contribution to the effort, undoubtedly because it was the KGB officers’ “central domestic issue.” The biggest asset in the effort to create racial strife and polarization would have been the election of segregationist Senator Barry Goldwater to the Office of President of the United States at the crucial juncture of 1964, which was not only the year that civil rights legislation was passed, it was prior to the Voting Rights Act of 1965. 1964 was also the year that the 24th Amendment, which outlawed the poll tax that kept impoverished African-Americans from voting, became part of the Constitution. A Goldwater litmus test for appointing Supreme Court Justices who supported segregation would have been horrific. Even without confirmation to the Supreme Court, such nominations would cause anger in the civil rights movement, anger that could be exploited, and anger that could mask the intentions of individuals bent on sabotaging the peaceful drive towards equality. The KGB officers in the CIA killed civil rights leaders Martin Luther King and Senator Robert F. Kennedy in a warped effort to start a race war. (A KGB officer assassinated Martin Luther King. He had been one of two KGB officers that had been part of the three-member team that assassinated President Kennedy.) When the KGB officers killed Martin Luther King on April 4, 1968, which caused considerable racial unrest, it was actually supposed to be a precursor to a “race war” in 1968. Robert F. Kennedy’s assassination on June 5, 1968, before he was to head to Chicago to win the Democratic nomination for President, was meant to be the catalyst in the “race war” that the KGB officers envisioned. If they had managed to get Goldwater elected in 1964, they could have done much more to promote their vision of a "race war." Tony <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anthony Frank Posted July 11, 2004 Posted July 11, 2004 (edited) What was the point of Cootchie Coup's post? Edited July 18, 2004 by Anthony Frank
Sidney Blumenthal Posted July 15, 2004 Posted July 15, 2004 By virtue of a deal struck before the committee investigated, the belligerent Republican majority got timorous Democrats to separate the inquiry into halves, leaving the question of the Bush administration's culpability for a second report, almost certainly to be filed after the election, if at all. This unholy arrangement enabled the report to put the burden of blame on the CIA. For months, Bush and his national security team escalated its rhetoric about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. But there was no national intelligence estimate (NIE) until demands by Democratic senators on the intelligence committee forced its writing. Most take months to assemble, but this one was slapped together in about three weeks. "Most of the major key judgments in the intelligence community's October 2002 NIE, Iraq's Continuing Programmes for Weapons of Mass Destruction, were either overstated, or were not supported by the underlying intelligence reporting," the report states. The freakish cognitive dissonance at the NIE's core should have been detected at the start. It broke down its judgments into levels of confidence from high to moder ate to low. Utter absence of proof, however, did not deter the conclusion from being stamped "high confidence". What the report does not note is the name or background of the NIE's director: Robert Walpole, a former national intelligence officer on nuclear weapons, a factotum of the secretary of defence, Donald Rumsfeld. Walpole had demonstrated his bona fides in an incident that prefigures the WMD debacle, the writing of the alarmist report of the Rumsfeld commission in 1998, which asserted the ballistic missile threat from "rogue states" was imminent. That claim, used to bolster the case for a Star Wars programme, had been rejected by a similar commission two years earlier. The report also does not deal with the creation of an alternative intelligence operation inside the Pentagon, the Office of Special Plans, which bypassed regular channels to send fabricated material originating mostly in Ahmed Chalabi's disinformation factory. But buried in the appendix, Senator John D Rockefeller, Democrat of West Virginia, included an account of an internal operation against the CIA conducted by the under-secretary of defence, Douglas Feith, an entrenched neo-conservative. While the CIA composed a report on the Iraq-al-Qaida connection, which the administration still trumpets, and for which the intelligence community could never find proof, Feith held briefings trashing the CIA on its impending report. Then, without informing the CIA, Feith's version was presented to the deputy national security adviser and vice-president. http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,...1261608,00.html
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