William Kelly Posted November 1, 2007 Author Share Posted November 1, 2007 Bill, just so you know: I agree there was a CIA raid against Cuba on Halloween of 1963.And just a few days later RFK sat in a meeting with top CIA officers in which agreement was reached to continue sabotage operations against Cuba, including sabotage efforts in the week immediately before JFK's trip to Dallas. There is some indication JFK himself may have attended this meeting. There is no way anyone can contend that RFK was unaware of CIA sabotage efforts against Cuba. Of couse such sabotage operations were acts of war. Less than a month after the U.S.' October 31 attack on Cuba, the President of the United States was slain in the streets of Dallas. As Ayers himself writes, after the assassination of JFK, the U.S.' war against Cuba grinded albeit slowly to a halt. TIM, ALL OF THE ABOVE IS TRUE. But to draw a connection between the October 31 U.S. raid against Cuba, RFK's approval of stepped-up sabotage against Cuba in the week immediately preceding the assassination, and the assassination itself, now that would truly be absurd. HOW IS THAT ABSURD? I DON'T DRAW THE CONNECTION, THE CONNECTIONS ARE DRAWN OUT IN THE FRONT PAGE OF THE NEW YORK TIMES AND THE EVIDENCE LEFT IN THE DEBRE OF THE ASSASSINATION IN THE STREETS OF DALLAS - DID I SPELL DEBRE RIGHT? No nexus there; the confluence of these events is just--it's just--well, it's just a coincidence! "THE INTELLIGENCE PROFESSION DOES NOT CONDITION ONE TO ACCEPT COINCIDENCE AS AN EXPLANATION FOR EVENTS." - DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS - HAPPY BIRTHDAY MISTER BISHOP, ERR DAVE. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Gratz Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 (edited) So you accept my point, Bill, that Cuba had JFK killed precisely to stop all of our acts of war against Cuba up to and including our attempts to muder the Glorious Leader of the Revolution? That is why I said, with tongue planted firmly in my check, that it was "absurd" to conclude a connection between our sabotage against Cuba and our plots against Castro's life and the death of our president whose brother (at least-there is indication JFK was also in the room) approved additional sabotage efforts against Cuba for the week ending November 15th! JFK was killed within days after those new US acts of sabotage and terrorism. And you are pulling my leg--you know how to spell "debris". I am sure. Edited November 1, 2007 by Tim Gratz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Gratz Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 The other Halloween event of some significance was the arrest in Las Vegas of Arthur Balletti on October 31, 1960. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted November 1, 2007 Author Share Posted November 1, 2007 Bill, just so you know: I agree there was a CIA raid against Cuba on Halloween of 1963.And just a few days later RFK sat in a meeting with top CIA officers in which agreement was reached to continue sabotage operations against Cuba, including sabotage efforts in the week immediately before JFK's trip to Dallas. There is some indication JFK himself may have attended this meeting. There is no way anyone can contend that RFK was unaware of CIA sabotage efforts against Cuba. Of couse such sabotage operations were acts of war. Less than a month after the U.S.' October 31 attack on Cuba, the President of the United States was slain in the streets of Dallas. As Ayers himself writes, after the assassination of JFK, the U.S.' war against Cuba grinded albeit slowly to a halt. TIM, ALL OF THE ABOVE IS TRUE. But to draw a connection between the October 31 U.S. raid against Cuba, RFK's approval of stepped-up sabotage against Cuba in the week immediately preceding the assassination, and the assassination itself, now that would truly be absurd. HOW IS THAT ABSURD? I DON'T DRAW THE CONNECTION, THE CONNECTIONS ARE DRAWN OUT IN THE FRONT PAGE OF THE NEW YORK TIMES AND THE EVIDENCE LEFT IN THE DEBRE OF THE ASSASSINATION IN THE STREETS OF DALLAS - DID I SPELL DEBRE RIGHT? No nexus there; the confluence of these events is just--it's just--well, it's just a coincidence! "THE INTELLIGENCE PROFESSION DOES NOT CONDITION ONE TO ACCEPT COINCIDENCE AS AN EXPLANATION FOR EVENTS." - DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS - HAPPY BIRTHDAY MISTER BISHOP, ERR DAVE. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bevilaqua Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Bill, just so you know: I agree there was a CIA raid against Cuba on Halloween of 1963.And just a few days later RFK sat in a meeting with top CIA officers in which agreement was reached to continue sabotage operations against Cuba, including sabotage efforts in the week immediately before JFK's trip to Dallas. There is some indication JFK himself may have attended this meeting. There is no way anyone can contend that RFK was unaware of CIA sabotage efforts against Cuba. Of couse such sabotage operations were acts of war. Less than a month after the U.S.' October 31 attack on Cuba, the President of the United States was slain in the streets of Dallas. As Ayers himself writes, after the assassination of JFK, the U.S.' war against Cuba grinded albeit slowly to a halt. TIM, ALL OF THE ABOVE IS TRUE. But to draw a connection between the October 31 U.S. raid against Cuba, RFK's approval of stepped-up sabotage against Cuba in the week immediately preceding the assassination, and the assassination itself, now that would truly be absurd. HOW IS THAT ABSURD? I DON'T DRAW THE CONNECTION, THE CONNECTIONS ARE DRAWN OUT IN THE FRONT PAGE OF THE NEW YORK TIMES AND THE EVIDENCE LEFT IN THE DEBRE OF THE ASSASSINATION IN THE STREETS OF DALLAS - DID I SPELL DEBRE RIGHT? No nexus there; the confluence of these events is just--it's just--well, it's just a coincidence! "THE INTELLIGENCE PROFESSION DOES NOT CONDITION ONE TO ACCEPT COINCIDENCE AS AN EXPLANATION FOR EVENTS." - DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS - HAPPY BIRTHDAY MISTER BISHOP, ERR DAVE. BK Bill, don't let this idiot bait you or goad you. He is quite simply only happy when he can play Froggy the Gremlin and get your goat. Do you remember Froggy the Gremlin from Andy's Gang and the Buster Brown show? Look up Froggy the Gremlin on Google. Hiya kids. Hiya. Hiya. Hiya. Nyaahhhhh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Gratz Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 This guy's got a degree from HARVARD??? His posts are puerile! His debate consists of name calling. Give me Robert Charles-Dunne any day. At least Robert is a witty writer, whose sarcasm is sometimes even salient! Go back to your cartoons, John B. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted November 4, 2007 Author Share Posted November 4, 2007 Interesting to note that your discovery of the fact that Collins Radio became part of Rockwell International meshes nicely with my theory that the Rockwell takeover of Draper Corp. in 1967 was for all intents and purposes the payback to Wickliffe Draper for removing JFK as an obstacle to expanding the Viet Nam war effort. I remember when we shared the same conference room in Washington, DC at the COPA conference and presented back to back stories about Rockwell's role in the JFK conundrum. Can you remind me again about that secretive NSA building you discovered with a Rockwell logo on the outside? This project was essentially hidden from Congress, right? Hi John, sorry I missed this earlier, but indeed, we did give back to back talks at COPA that ended up at Rockwell International. Whatever year that COPA conference in DC was, that was the year that the Washington Post, in a front page story, revealed that the previously reported new world headquarters for Collins Radio being built in Virginia, was actually the new home of the NRO - spys in the skies guys. So Collins was still being used as a bad/soft cover three decades after the Rex made the cover of the NYTs. George Magazine also published an article by David Wise on the NRO and how they lost a few billion dollars with no accounting for it. As for Rockwell International - there's a lot on the internet about the Rocky Mountain Flats nuke junkyard - where a local grand jury voted to indict some Rockwell managers for chemical pollution but the DA declined, a great case of a real runaway grand jury. As for Congress, they always find out about things they financed by reading the WP and NYTs. Think about what they'd learn if they came to a COPA conference? BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted November 4, 2007 Author Share Posted November 4, 2007 Another Spooky Doc - ....3. I also briefly reviewed Oswald's Office of Security file on November 14, 1963. Although I am not certain, I believe the impetus for this review was either my receipt of a Federal Bureau of Investigation report dated October 31, 1963 on Lee Harvey Oswald or my receipt of a Federal Bureau of Investigation report dated October 25, 1963 on the Fair Play for Cuba Committee New Orleans..... WCH XI; 482 James Crowley a State Dept employee saw documents pertaining to LHO BEFORE THE ASSASSINATION SEE WC REFERENCE PRECEDING.PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION ON THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY AFFIDAVIT DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, ss: James D. Crowley, being duly sworn, deposes and says: On August 13, 1961, he was duly appointed an officer in the Department of State, as a specialist in intelligence matters; that he has continued to serve in that capacity since that time, and that he has personal knowledge of the matters related in this affidavit: 1. I am one of the officers in the Department of State responsible for disseminating throughout the Department various reports, memoranda and documents which are received from other United States Government agencies. 2. The first time I remember learning of Oswald's existence was when I received copies of a telegraphic message, dated October 10, 1963, from the Central Intelligence Agency, which contained information pertaining to his current activities. I requested that a search of the Office of Security records be made on October 11, 1963, to determine if the Department had received any information previously. Based on a quick review of the Office of Security file on Oswald, I disseminated copies of the Central Intelligence Agency message to the various offices within the Department which were interested in receiving this type of material. 3. I also briefly reviewed Oswald's Office of Security file on November 14, 1963. Although I am not certain, I believe the impetus for this review was either my receipt of a Federal Bureau of Investigation report dated October 31, 1963 on Lee Harvey Oswald or my receipt of a Federal Bureau of Investigation report dated October 25, 1963 on the Fair Play for Cuba Committee New Orleans Division. Both of these reports were received in the Intelligence Processing Section on November 8, 1963. 4. In both instances, I reviewed the Office of Security file in a routine manner and had it returned to the Office of Security File Room the same day in which it was charged to me. Signed this 12th day of June 1964. (S) James D. Crowley, JAMES D. CROWLEY. Thanks to The Pope of Oak Cliff for unearthing this one. - BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted November 6, 2007 Author Share Posted November 6, 2007 Another Spooky Doc - LETS LOOK AT THIS DOC A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY. ....3. I also briefly reviewed Oswald's Office of Security file on November 14, 1963. Although I am not certain, I believe the impetus for this review was either my receipt of a Federal Bureau of Investigation report dated October 31, 1963 on Lee Harvey Oswald DOES ANYONE HAVE OR KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS OCTOBER 31, 1963 FBI REPORT ON LEE HARVEY OSWALD? or my receipt of a Federal Bureau of Investigation report dated October 25, 1963 on the Fair Play for Cuba Committee New Orleans..... DITO ON THIS OCTOBER 25, 1963 FBI REPORT ONT HE FPCC NO? OR LHO'S SECURITY FILE BEING SENT TO STATE DEPT ON OCTOBER 8, 1963? WCH XI; 482 James Crowley a State Dept employee saw documents pertaining to LHO BEFORE THE ASSASSINATION SEE WC REFERENCE PRECEDING.PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION ON THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY AFFIDAVIT DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, ss: James D. Crowley, being duly sworn, deposes and says: On August 13, 1961, he was duly appointed an officer in the Department of State, as a specialist in intelligence matters; that he has continued to serve in that capacity since that time, and that he has personal knowledge of the matters related in this affidavit: 1. I am one of the officers in the Department of State responsible for disseminating throughout the Department various reports, memoranda and documents which are received from other United States Government agencies. 2. The first time I remember learning of Oswald's existence was when I received copies of a telegraphic message, dated October 10, 1963, from the Central Intelligence Agency, which contained information pertaining to his current activities. I requested that a search of the Office of Security records be made on October 11, 1963, to determine if the Department had received any information previously. Based on a quick review of the Office of Security file on Oswald, I disseminated copies of the Central Intelligence Agency message to the various offices within the Department which were interested in receiving this type of material. 3. I also briefly reviewed Oswald's Office of Security file on November 14, 1963. Although I am not certain, I believe the impetus for this review was either my receipt of a Federal Bureau of Investigation report dated October 31, 1963 on Lee Harvey Oswald or my receipt of a Federal Bureau of Investigation report dated October 25, 1963 on the Fair Play for Cuba Committee New Orleans Division. Both of these reports were received in the Intelligence Processing Section on November 8, 1963. 4. In both instances, I reviewed the Office of Security file in a routine manner and had it returned to the Office of Security File Room the same day in which it was charged to me. Signed this 12th day of June 1964. (S) James D. Crowley, JAMES D. CROWLEY. Thanks to The Pope of Oak Cliff for unearthing this one. - BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted December 6, 2007 Author Share Posted December 6, 2007 Another Spooky Doc - LETS LOOK AT THIS DOC A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY. ....3. I also briefly reviewed Oswald's Office of Security file on November 14, 1963. Although I am not certain, I believe the impetus for this review was either my receipt of a Federal Bureau of Investigation report dated October 31, 1963 on Lee Harvey Oswald DOES ANYONE HAVE OR KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS OCTOBER 31, 1963 FBI REPORT ON LEE HARVEY OSWALD? Okay, I got a handle on this one. According to a HSCA report on the response of intelligence agencies to Oswald's activities in the lead up to the assassination, there's mention of "the Kaack Report." On October 31, 1963 Special Agent of the FBI Milton Kaack issued a report on Oswald's known activities up to Sept. 24, 1963 when he left New Orleans. It includes information on LHO's FPCC activities, including his arrest, etc. What's Spooky is that as far as the FBI are concerned, Oswald is missing, they don't know where he is, and "leads to locate Lee Harvey Oswald were sent to Dallas, Fort Worth, and Malvern, Arkansas..." What would make the FBI think, on October 31, 1963, that Lee Harvey Oswald had anything at all to do with Malvern, Arkansas? Does anyone have a clue? BK or my receipt of a Federal Bureau of Investigation report dated October 25, 1963 on the Fair Play for Cuba Committee New Orleans..... DITO ON THIS OCTOBER 25, 1963 FBI REPORT ONT HE FPCC NO? OR LHO'S SECURITY FILE BEING SENT TO STATE DEPT ON OCTOBER 8, 1963? WCH XI; 482 James Crowley a State Dept employee saw documents pertaining to LHO BEFORE THE ASSASSINATION SEE WC REFERENCE PRECEDING.PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION ON THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY AFFIDAVIT DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, ss: James D. Crowley, being duly sworn, deposes and says: On August 13, 1961, he was duly appointed an officer in the Department of State, as a specialist in intelligence matters; that he has continued to serve in that capacity since that time, and that he has personal knowledge of the matters related in this affidavit: 1. I am one of the officers in the Department of State responsible for disseminating throughout the Department various reports, memoranda and documents which are received from other United States Government agencies. 2. The first time I remember learning of Oswald's existence was when I received copies of a telegraphic message, dated October 10, 1963, from the Central Intelligence Agency, which contained information pertaining to his current activities. I requested that a search of the Office of Security records be made on October 11, 1963, to determine if the Department had received any information previously. Based on a quick review of the Office of Security file on Oswald, I disseminated copies of the Central Intelligence Agency message to the various offices within the Department which were interested in receiving this type of material. 3. I also briefly reviewed Oswald's Office of Security file on November 14, 1963. Although I am not certain, I believe the impetus for this review was either my receipt of a Federal Bureau of Investigation report dated October 31, 1963 on Lee Harvey Oswald or my receipt of a Federal Bureau of Investigation report dated October 25, 1963 on the Fair Play for Cuba Committee New Orleans Division. Both of these reports were received in the Intelligence Processing Section on November 8, 1963. 4. In both instances, I reviewed the Office of Security file in a routine manner and had it returned to the Office of Security File Room the same day in which it was charged to me. Signed this 12th day of June 1964. (S) James D. Crowley, JAMES D. CROWLEY. Thanks to The Pope of Oak Cliff for unearthing this one. - BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted December 6, 2007 Author Share Posted December 6, 2007 http://www.ardemgaz.com/prev/oswald/part3.asp Okay, so Robert Oswald was transferred by the Acme Brick Company from Texas to Arkansas in early 1963 - and received a letter from his kid brother Lee while there, then left in September, 1963, returning to Texas. So why would the FBI think LHO might be in Malvern, Arkansas on October 31, 1963? BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted December 7, 2007 Author Share Posted December 7, 2007 http://www.ardemgaz.com/prev/oswald/part3.aspOkay, so Robert Oswald was transferred by the Acme Brick Company from Texas to Arkansas in early 1963 - and received a letter from his kid brother Lee while there, then left in September, 1963, returning to Texas. So why would the FBI think LHO might be in Malvern, Arkansas on October 31, 1963? BK Is anybody following me here? BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Knight Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 A history of Acme Brick: http://www.brick.com/company/history.htm Was LHO ever on Acme Brick's payroll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share Posted December 31, 2007 A history of Acme Brick:http://www.brick.com/company/history.htm Was LHO ever on Acme Brick's payroll? Thanks for following up on that Mark, Good question. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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