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COPA director John Judge is now in Dallas, and will be at the Grassy Knoll today at noon as he has been for most of the November 22nd anniversaries, maintaining a tradition started by the late Penn Jones.

Being the Thanksgiving holiday in the USA, there shouldn't be many others around, though next year, the 45th, should be more popular.

Judge's last report from DC before he left announces a nationwide Coast to Coast AM live radio broadcast of intervews with COPA members, including Cyril Wecht, Gary Aguilar, Walt Brown, Bob Groden and myself.

The program begins at 11 pm on the West Coast, 2am EST.

I am scheduled to be on from Midnight-12:30 or 3am to 3:30am EST.

I'm expecting a wakeup call from Tim Gratz.

Here's John Judge's note:

Friends,

I am very excited that the Coast to Coast radio will present the best researchers and evidence instead of the usual hype and speculation. This talk show will be heard by

millions of people across the country, and more afterwards who subscribe

to the podcasts. It is an opportunity to promote our own work, but also a chance to make COPA visible to a large new segment of the public.

PLEASE check out COPA's new website at

www.politicalassassinations.com and consider attending our regional meeting in Dallas this year from November 23-25 at the Hotel Lawrence. Listeners in the Dallas area might actually attend.

Here is their website schedule:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/schedule.html

The lineup at this point as far as I know starts about 10:30 pm Pacifictime (1:30 am EST or 12:30 am Central) with a different guest during each hour:

Dr. Wecht

Walt Brown

Robert Groden

Dr. Aguilar

William Kelly

John Judge

--

John Judge

Coalition on Political Assassinations (COPA)

PO Box 772

Washington, DC 20044

Check out our new website:

www.politicalassassinations.com

Annual meeting in Dallas November 22-25, 2007

Hotel Lawrence - 214-761-9090 - discount room reservations "COPA 2007"

Speakers, films, books, resources, email for details

Coming up: 2008 - Memphis (April 3-6), LA (June 6-8) and Dallas

(November 21-23) regional meetings

National organization of medical and ballistic experts, academics and

authors, researchers and interested individuals investigating major

political assassinations in America and abroad.

Donations NOT tax deductible

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COPA director John Judge is now in Dallas, and will be at the Grassy Knoll today at noon as he has been for most of the November 22nd anniversaries, maintaining a tradition started by the late Penn Jones.

Being the Thanksgiving holiday in the USA, there shouldn't be many others around, though next year, the 45th, should be more popular.

Judge's last report from DC before he left announces a nationwide Coast to Coast AM live radio broadcast of intervews with COPA members, including Cyril Wecht, Gary Aguilar, Walt Brown, Bob Groden and myself.

The program begins at 11 pm on the West Coast, 2am EST.

I am scheduled to be on from Midnight-12:30 or 3am to 3:30am EST.

I'm expecting a wakeup call from Tim Gratz.

Here's John Judge's note:

Friends,

I am very excited that the Coast to Coast radio will present the best researchers and evidence instead of the usual hype and speculation. This talk show will be heard by

millions of people across the country, and more afterwards who subscribe

to the podcasts. It is an opportunity to promote our own work, but also a chance to make COPA visible to a large new segment of the public.

PLEASE check out COPA's new website at

www.politicalassassinations.com and consider attending our regional meeting in Dallas this year from November 23-25 at the Hotel Lawrence. Listeners in the Dallas area might actually attend.

Here is their website schedule:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/schedule.html

The lineup at this point as far as I know starts about 10:30 pm Pacifictime (1:30 am EST or 12:30 am Central) with a different guest during each hour:

Dr. Wecht

Walt Brown

Robert Groden

Dr. Aguilar

William Kelly

John Judge

--

John Judge

Coalition on Political Assassinations (COPA)

PO Box 772

Washington, DC 20044

Check out our new website:

www.politicalassassinations.com

Annual meeting in Dallas November 22-25, 2007

Hotel Lawrence -

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John Judge has been at Dealey Plaza every November 22nd for as long as I can remember.

Randy Benson is a documentary film maker from North Carolina whose film The Searchers will be shown in Dallas tonight.

Here's a snippit from it, which shows Judge on the Grassy Knoll giving a short speech before holding a moment of silence a few years ago.

On the 35th anniversary, the Sixth Floor Museaum reported that "Nothing was going on at Dealey Plaza that day," but as you can see, every November 22nd there is a huge gathering of people, all of whom stop for a few minutes at 12:30 and the silence is errie.

Here's a link to Sixth Floor live web cam, though it doesn't always show the crowds at the knoll.

http://www.earthcam.com/jfk/dealey_nojava.php

If you are in Dallas you might want to check out Randy's film tonight.

For details:

http://www.politicalassassinations.com/Conferences.html

BK

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John Judge has been at Dealey Plaza every November 22nd for as long as I can remember.

Randy Benson is a documentary film maker from North Carolina whose film The Searchers will be shown in Dallas tonight.

Here's a snippit from it, which shows Judge on the Grassy Knoll giving a short speech before holding a moment of silence a few years ago.

On the 35th anniversary, the Sixth Floor Museaum reported that "Nothing was going on at Dealey Plaza that day," but as you can see, every November 22nd there is a huge gathering of people, all of whom stop for a few minutes at 12:30 and the silence is errie.

Here's a link to Sixth Floor live web cam, though it doesn't always show the crowds at the knoll.

http://www.earthcam.com/jfk/dealey_nojava.php

If you are in Dallas you might want to check out Randy's film tonight.

For details:

http://www.politicalassassinations.com/Conferences.html

BK

congratulations one and all... in advancing the JFK assassination case awareness level ...... Bill, the availability of Randy's 'full' documentary is?

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John Judge has been at Dealey Plaza every November 22nd for as long as I can remember.

Randy Benson is a documentary film maker from North Carolina whose film The Searchers will be shown in Dallas tonight.

Here's a snippit from it, which shows Judge on the Grassy Knoll giving a short speech before holding a moment of silence a few years ago.

On the 35th anniversary, the Sixth Floor Museaum reported that "Nothing was going on at Dealey Plaza that day," but as you can see, every November 22nd there is a huge gathering of people, all of whom stop for a few minutes at 12:30 and the silence is errie.

Here's a link to Sixth Floor live web cam, though it doesn't always show the crowds at the knoll.

http://www.earthcam.com/jfk/dealey_nojava.php

If you are in Dallas you might want to check out Randy's film tonight.

For details:

http://www.politicalassassinations.com/Conferences.html

BK

congratulations one and all... in advancing the JFK assassination case awareness level ...... Bill, the availability of Randy's 'full' documentary is?

Hi David,

I don't know what the availability will be. There was suppose to be a screening of Randy's film at the Texas Theater in Oak Cliff this week, but that was cancelled and instead they will apparently show Stone's Oswald's Ghost.

Randy's film is about JFK assassination researchers, so like SOS, I'm sure there are limited outlets for such documentaries.

Will let you know when I find out.

BK

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correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no internet feed for this coast to coast show?

Peter

Yes there is but it's for some nominal fee. Since it is broadcast here on the local radio station,

(KLBJ-yuck!), I listen live and have never plugged in to their "streaming" feed. Of course listening means little sleep,

however 11/22 is alwasy an excellent night for coasttocoast, worth some sleep deprivation.

Dawn

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John Judge has been at Dealey Plaza every November 22nd for as long as I can remember.

Randy Benson is a documentary film maker from North Carolina whose film The Searchers will be shown in Dallas tonight.

Here's a snippit from it, which shows Judge on the Grassy Knoll giving a short speech before holding a moment of silence a few years ago.

On the 35th anniversary, the Sixth Floor Museaum reported that "Nothing was going on at Dealey Plaza that day," but as you can see, every November 22nd there is a huge gathering of people, all of whom stop for a few minutes at 12:30 and the silence is errie.

Here's a link to Sixth Floor live web cam, though it doesn't always show the crowds at the knoll.

http://www.earthcam.com/jfk/dealey_nojava.php

If you are in Dallas you might want to check out Randy's film tonight.

For details:

http://www.politicalassassinations.com/Conferences.html

BK

congratulations one and all... in advancing the JFK assassination case awareness level ...... Bill, the availability of Randy's 'full' documentary is?

Hi David,

I don't know what the availability will be. There was suppose to be a screening of Randy's film at the Texas Theater in Oak Cliff this week, but that was cancelled and instead they will apparently show Stone's Oswald's Ghost.

Randy's film is about JFK assassination researchers, so like SOS, I'm sure there are limited outlets for such documentaries.

Will let you know when I find out.

BK

thanks guy..... we could use a few lines about the Jersey shore...

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correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no internet feed for this coast to coast show?

Peter

Yes there is but it's for some nominal fee. Since it is broadcast here on the local radio station,

(KLBJ-yuck!), I listen live and have never plugged in to their "streaming" feed. Of course listening means little sleep,

however 11/22 is alwasy an excellent night for coasttocoast, worth some sleep deprivation.

Dawn

Peter,

Here's the main Coast to Coast Link:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/affiliates/nj.html

Here's my local affililate with internet steam:

http://www.wond1400am.com/

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So much for John Judge's vision of "....I am very excited that the Coast to Coast radio will present the best researchers and evidence instead of the usual hype and speculation."

The first guest on Coast to Coast is the author of "I Killed JFK" - the confessions of the Man on the Grassy Knoll - James Files - who is also the producers of Alien Autopsy on Fox.

The first caller reminds George, the host, of the lady who called in last year saying she saw a man leave the back door of the TSBD with a rifle, not Oswald. But she's never called back. But she sounded very believable.

Then there's John Zigler, a former conspiracy theorists now converted lone nut believer, though he argues that there was no missed shot, the SBT is false and yet, LHO the lone gunman. Zigler stays on to debate Cyril Wecht, who maintains his poise.

It's going to be a long night.

Sigh......

Cyril was his usual self, I taped part of his section.

With Zigler, Cyril called for DNA testing of bullets - and further ballistic studies.

Cyril said he used to think it would be possible to get to the truth, but now believes "this case is still too hot to handle for the government..." and that while there was no "massive conspiracy" it was a coup d'etat.

Walt Brown got his turn, and said that he is currently compiling a massive new JFK chronology, which proves to him there were two Oswalds, or one Oswald and others impersonating him.

Walt also talked about Malcolm Wallace and the sniper's nest fingerprints, Cliff Carter, George Parr, Billy Sol, et al., and 17 murders attributed to them....

Then it was my turn and I gave my usual JFK Act Oversight Hearing spiel, and JFK Grand Jury schitck, talked about the Morley Playboy article, and gave Larry Hancock's book a plug - "The most important recently published book about the assassination."

I told everybody to write or contact Waxman and Clay to get them to hold JFK Act Oversight hearings and made March 17th - St. Patrick's Day - a target, as that is the begginning of Sunshine Week for Open Records and Open Government.

Did anybody hear it?

George is a congenial and knowledgeable host.

Bob Groden followed me and talked about deseribec regidity, the rag doll effect, and post mortum reactions, and got in a plug for his next book before getting the hook.

Gary Aguliar is up next.

BK

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Great job Bill. The show did get off to an iffy start with the Files stuff, then the LN, who I thought got way too much air time. I'd rather it have just been Cyril, Zigler cutting him off left some important topics hanging.

Walt did a a great job I thought. It was especially touching to hear him speak about our mutual good friend Jay Harrison.

Walt knows the facts in this case inside out so I thought his presentation was an excellent overview.

You of corse rocked! The Congressional Oversight hearings and contact information was very informative and

hopefully listeners will follow up on this. I heard a little of Bob Groden but then fell asleep, knowing the last two hours

will be re-broadcast tonight.

So, except for the beginning, it was an excellent show. Every COPA speaker covered something different and essential.

Dawn

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Great job Bill. The show did get off to an iffy start with the Files stuff, then the LN, who I thought got way too much air time. I'd rather it have just been Cyril, Zigler cutting him off left some important topics hanging.

Walt did a a great job I thought. It was especially touching to hear him speak about our mutual good friend Jay Harrison.

Walt knows the facts in this case inside out so I thought his presentation was an excellent overview.

You of corse rocked! The Congressional Oversight hearings and contact information was very informative and

hopefully listeners will follow up on this. I heard a little of Bob Groden but then fell asleep, knowing the last two hours

will be re-broadcast tonight.

So, except for the beginning, it was an excellent show. Every COPA speaker covered something different and essential.

Dawn

Thanks Dawn,

I'm glad somebody was up and listening. You didn't miss much of Groden, I think he was asleep too.

I taped some of it. One call in at the very end when John Judge was on, whose name I didn't get, served in CAP with Oswald and Ferrie, and said he is writing a book, "Eye of the Hurricane."

Hope to hear from any others who were listening in.

BK

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COPA director John Judge is now in Dallas, and will be at the Grassy Knoll today at noon as he has been for most of the November 22nd anniversaries, maintaining a tradition started by the late Penn Jones.

Being the Thanksgiving holiday in the USA, there shouldn't be many others around, though next year, the 45th, should be more popular.

Judge's last report from DC before he left announces a nationwide Coast to Coast AM live radio broadcast of intervews with COPA members, including Cyril Wecht, Gary Aguilar, Walt Brown, Bob Groden and myself.

The program begins at 11 pm on the West Coast, 2am EST.

I am scheduled to be on from Midnight-12:30 or 3am to 3:30am EST.

I'm expecting a wakeup call from Tim Gratz.

Here's John Judge's note:

Friends,

I am very excited that the Coast to Coast radio will present the best researchers and evidence instead of the usual hype and speculation. This talk show will be heard by

millions of people across the country, and more afterwards who subscribe

to the podcasts. It is an opportunity to promote our own work, but also a chance to make COPA visible to a large new segment of the public.

PLEASE check out COPA's new website at

www.politicalassassinations.com and consider attending our regional meeting in Dallas this year from November 23-25 at the Hotel Lawrence. Listeners in the Dallas area might actually attend.

Here is their website schedule:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/schedule.html

The lineup at this point as far as I know starts about 10:30 pm Pacifictime (1:30 am EST or 12:30 am Central) with a different guest during each hour:

Dr. Wecht

Walt Brown

Robert Groden

Dr. Aguilar

William Kelly

John Judge

--

John Judge

Coalition on Political Assassinations (COPA)

PO Box 772

Washington, DC 20044

Check out our new website:

www.politicalassassinations.com

Annual meeting in Dallas November 22-25, 2007

Hotel Lawrence - 214-761-9090 - discount room reservations "COPA 2007"

Speakers, films, books, resources, email for details

Coming up: 2008 - Memphis (April 3-6), LA (June 6-8) and Dallas

(November 21-23) regional meetings

National organization of medical and ballistic experts, academics and

authors, researchers and interested individuals investigating major

political assassinations in America and abroad.

Donations NOT tax deductible

Here is the summary of the program following its broadcast that appears on the coasttocoastam website. For a nominal fee one can listen on the Internet to a replay of the program. I was a live listener and found the program fascinating.

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JFK Assassination Special V

November 22, 2007

coasttocoastam radio program

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2007/11/22.html#recap

In our 5th JFK Assassination Special a variety of guests presented theories and evidence that generally ran counter to the single gunman theory of the Warren Commission. An exception to that was second hour guest, radio host John Ziegler, who recently published an editorial outlining his belief that Oswald acted alone. Ziegler debated forensic expert Dr. Cyril Wecht, who has cited the difficulty in drawing conclusions based on the poorly performed autopsy of JFK.

Kicking off the third hour, researcher Walt Brown said the assassination could not have happened without the CIA knowing about it, and the evidence points towards LBJ being involved. Another researcher, J. Harrison, told him that JFK was killed as part of a group of 17, including Malcolm Wallace, whose fingerprint likely matched an unaccounted-for print at the Texas School Book Depository where Oswald was found.

Independent researcher William Kelly called for a Grand Jury to reopen the investigation of JFK's murder, and for a review of the JFK Assassination Records Act. Author and photographic consultant Robert Groden, who made the Zapruder film public in 1975, said the explosion in Kennedy's head, as seen in the film, reverses the assumption that the bullet came from in front. It must have come from behind where the Grassy Knoll was located, he suggested.

In the last hour, Dr. Gary Aguilar spoke about the mishandling of the medical information and inexplicable elements in JFK's autopsy. Investigator John Judge, who helped put the evening's guests together, noted that history has become a "stolen commodity" leaving citizens in a position where they are allowed to believe anything. His research indicates that Johnson knew the assassination was coming and that he was put into office by war profiteers.

In our Fast Blast poll, 80% of the respondents believe in the conspiracy angle rather than the lone gunman theory. For more on the JFK assassination, check out recaps from our shows in 2003, 2004 , 2005, and 2006.

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Transcript of Bill Kelly's segment.

Coast to Coast AM radio show. November 23rd, 2007, 3 am – EST. WOND 1400

George Noorey: William Kelly, journalist by trade, from Browns Mills, New Jersey, has done extensive research into the assassination of President Kennedy since 1970s. His articles have appeared over the years in both print and online forums and newspapers and magazines. An expert on Lee Harvey Oswald and the Cuban connections to the case, and a co-founder (with John Judge) of the Committee for an Open Archives (COA). Also co-author of the Committee for an Open Archives magazine, he is currently campaigning for Congressional Oversight Committee to hold a legally mandated review of the JFK Assassination Records Act. He also supports the creation of a grand jury to reopen the investigation to reopen what he calls the unsolved homicide of President Kennedy. Bill Kelly. Hey Bill, how are you?

Kelly: Hi George, I'm doing good. Thanks for doing this show.

GN: My pleasure. Happy Thanksgiving.

Kelly: Thank you, and I'm glad to hear about your daughter in St. Louis having a baby.

GN: It's getting close. The direction you're going now, you're looking for information? You want a grand jury; you're looking for more data, where does it lead from here?

Kelly: Well, I'm not really advocating any particular theory. I'm trying to get the government to do its job, and I think it's about time, after fifteen years we've had the JFK Act in force, they've never had any hearings on it. And I think the oversight hearings are long over due and I think if they are held, and the people who have destroyed records or refuse to release records they've been ordered to release, and claim they don't have records we know exist, and they are put on the hot seat, and Congressmen ask them the hard questions under oath, I think we'll get some good answers.

GN: I hope so. Now tell us a little bit about this JFK Assassination Records Act.

Kelly: Well Congress passed the act fifteen years ago, a few years after John Judge and I formed the Committee for an Open Archives, which unsuccessfully lobbied Congress to release the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) records, which were locked away for fifty years in 1979.

GN: John Judge by the way, working with our producer Lisa Lyons, helped put together this show tonight and John will be our guest for the final half hour tonight. Go ahead Bill.

Kelly: Yea, so we lobbied Congress for years to free the assassination records, and Congress wouldn't pay any attention to us at all. Then Ollie Stone did the movie "JFK" and we asked him to put a little rider at the end of the film to say that the files were locked away and he did that. And that instigated Congress to pass the JFK Act when people wrote letters and contacted their Congressmen and asked why these files are still locked away. The overwhelming amount of people who talked to their Congressmen about it, convinced them to do this. And now it's been fifteen years and we haven't had any hearings on the oversight of this act.

There is a new chairman of the oversight committee, Henry Waxman (D. Calf.), who has done hearings on other subjects, and we're trying to convince him to hold hearings on the JFK Act sometime in the next year.

GN: Okay, but a lot of the records are still tucked away, for how long?

Kelly: Well, there all suppose to be released by 2019, but we don't want to wait that long, we think they all should be released now.

GN: They haven't been all chopped up and thrown away.

Kelly: They have released millions of records, but the ones that we've requested that we know have some important stuff in them have been with held for national security reasons. And there's a court case right now that people should be aware of – Jeff Morley vs. the CIA, regarding the Joannides documents. If you read his article in the current issue of Playboy Morley outlines some of the reasons why these records are important. It's great that he's in court right now challenging the CIA to release these records that should have been released by the JFK Act, but they still refuse to do so because of national security.

GN: Bill, let me ask you a couple of questions.

Kelly: Yea?

GN: If during the period when Abraham Lincoln was assassinated, if it were publicly acknowledged that members of the government conspired to kill him, what would have happened at that time, if that were true and that come out?

Kelly: Well the Constitution allows for the government to carry on no matter what happens. The Lincoln assassination is history now, a hundred years over, but the Kennedy assassination is still a current event, an unsolved homicide that isn't in the historical category yet.

GN: What I'm leading towards though, lets say that happened, and members of the government conspired and killed him, and now a hundred years plus later they finally go into records and say….

Kelly: They did show that the Lincoln assassination was a conspiracy, and in fact they hung people for being part of it at the time.

GN: But if we were told today that high level members of the government conspired to kill the president then, today we'd say ho-ho hum, we know that because it's old news. Isn't that what's going to happen in 2019?

Kelly: Yes, if we wait that long. I think Cyril Wecht hit the nail on the head when he was talking to you earlier tonight when he said "the case is still to hot for the government to handle" and we're going to have to wait until all the main people are dead. I think that will happen in the next ten years, but I think we should act now. I think the government is poised to act now, the people want the government to act now, and the oversight hearings are mandated for the review of the JFK Act. But I think we should have a grand jury too.

We should present the evidence of crimes related to the assassination, before a grand jury right now, and let the grand jury take the evidence and see where it goes.

GN: Is there anything new Bill that has come out let's say over the last five, ten years, that the Warren Commission would have loved to have had?

Kelly: Well of course, the whole Castro assassination angle never went before the Warren Commission and every years, every month now, it seems something new comes out. I think this is becoming a hot case again, and is no longer a cold case. We've had David Talbot's book "Brothers" published, we've had Bugliosi's book published, we've had the E. Howard Hunt book and stories come out, and you had a guest on tonight talk about a new book on James Files. I think there are a lot of things happening on this case, and I think it's going to continue happening, and it's going to go from a cold case to a hot case real soon.

GN: Bill, you don't have a specific theory, but you do believe…..

Kelly: I believe, from my study of the case indicates as Cyril Wecht said earlier, it was a coup d'etat by the highest levels of government. Now that doesn't necessarily mean it was a big, grand conspiracy, but it was an effective assassination and coup.

GN: That's frightening.

Kelly: It is, and it's frightening that the government, because of the national security implications, will not reveal the truth of what happened. I think that's the reason why we have to get to the truth – for the same reasons they say they can't release the records to the public – and that's because our national security is at stake.

GN: Do you think that every standing President to date, knows what happened?

Kelly: Well, Yes. Yes, they figured it out. That's why they appointed the Vice Presidents they appoint. Because they know what happened to Kennedy in 1963. The coup that took place really happened in 1960 at the Democratic National Convention when they put LBJ on the ticket as the Vice Presidential candidate. That allowed the coup to take place.

GN: Why did Kennedy go along with that? Did he need the South and Texas that much?

Kelly: I think they were blackmailed into it, and Joe Kennedy was involved. The deliberations during that event included Phil Graham, the publisher of the Washington Post, who was the one who set it up and has written extensively about it. But LBJ was put on the ticket against Bobby Kennedy's wishes, and against the President's wishes at the time, and that allowed the coup to take place at Dealey Plaza.

GN: I wonder if behind closed doors during that election if Kennedy and Johnson looked at each other and said, "I hate your guts."

Kelly: Well, LBJ was not a nice person. I think anyone who studies him at any length realizes pretty much that he was just a bad person, in my view.

GN: When they talk about these documents being with held for reasons of national security, as it directly relates to the assassination, what could that be? What could be so important that the national security would be at stake?

Kelly: Well, the documents that Jeff Morley is trying to get concerns these gentlemen who worked for the CIA, Joannides, George Joannides…..

GN: There was just this big article in Playboy….

Kelly: Yes, and those records have to do with JM/WAVE, that was the CIA base in Florida that was set up to handle Cuban matters, and the JM/WAVE files contain a lot of records that are relevant to the assassination and they should have been released with the JFK Act and are sill being with held. Someday we're going to see them, and we will read them and find out why they are being with held.

GN: We have a new story here that Kennedy might have been assassinated in Chicago on November 2nd, 1963. It's possible all these groups you've heard about – the mob, the Cuban connection, the Oswald connection, it's possible they all had different dates they were going to get him.

Kelly: Well, there are many theories and many people didn't like him and different groups may have tried to kill him, but in the end what happened in Dallas only happened one way, and in the end individual people did it, and not organizations like the mob and CIA, though the individuals may have been part of those organizations. Only individuals can be held accountable for murder so we have to name names, individuals, and pretty soon I think we will be close enough to do that.

GN: Bill, the subsequent deaths of witnesses and participants is absolutely uncanny.

Kelly: Well there's a natural attrition that takes place over time. When I asked the archivist at the National Archives twenty years ago why the records were locked away for fifty years, he said that was the time estimated that the people mentioned in the documents would be dead. So now, thanks to the JFK Act, we have many of the records now, and after 45 years, there's still a five year window of opportunity that there's witnesses still alive. Now I know you're implying that there were mysterious deaths, but it wasn't only mysterious deaths, there's some blatant homicides – open unsolved cases today – Rosselli, Giancana, I have a list of a dozen related homicides that if prosecutors around the country get together and try to solve, the resolution of these cold cases will indirectly lead to solving of what happened at Dealey Plaza.

GN: I think you are right, but those individuals lived very dangerous lives. But we have a lot of witnesses in the JFK case who were normal people who died strangely.

Kelly: Yes we do. And we have others that had stories they wanted to tell who silenced. And we have a few of them that are still out there, and if the can just hang on for another year maybe we can get them to testify before a Congressional hearing or a grand jury and actually solve the case.

GN: Is there another Garrison out there?

Kelly: It's not a Garrison you are looking for. I think you need a young, aggressive prosecutor who is hungry, similar to assistant DA who solved the Medgar Evers assassination and got a conviction there. That case provides a blueprint for how it can be done. You need a young, aggressive assistant prosecutor who is willing to take on the responsibility of pushing this.

GN: He has to have a boss though, who will allow him to do it.

Kelly: Well there's a new DA in Dallas, and a new Sheriff in town too, and they're both black and both liberal. The new DA in Dallas has been letting people out of jail who were convicted by former DA Henry Wade on false evidence. They've come up with new DNA evidence and concluded they were innocent. We hope to be able to convince this new District Attorney to convene a grand jury to investigate the assassination.

GN: How pointed do you think some of these documents might be, how specific?

Kelly: The records are a whole different matter from the grand jury. Whether you believe in a conspiracy or you believe Oswald did it because he was nuts, you still want the records released to the public. Gerald Posner has even signed on to a letter asking for the CIA records Morley wants to be released. I think everyone wants to free the files, and I think we have a real good shot at having Congressional oversight hearings in Washington next year. March 17th, St. Patty's Day, is the beginning of Sunshine Week throughout the country in which reporters and journalists talk about secret records and the need for open records in an open government. We're trying to get the Waxman committee to hold hearings on the JFK Act oversight hearings that week. And being broadcast from Los Angeles, you might have your listeners there to contact their representative, Henry Waxman, who is chairman of the Oversight Committee and represents LA and Hollywood, and encourage him to hold the oversight hearings on the JFK Act that are mandated by the law. Your daughter in St. Louis is represented by Rep. William Clay, the chairman of the subcommittee responsible for the National Archives. Clay is the one who would conduct the hearings, decide on what witnesses would testify and he has to be convinced of the necessity to hold these hearings as well.

GN: How come nobody has leaked the information that are in these documents? Are they in a vault?

Kelly: People have been talking. Larry Hancock wrote a really good book called "Someone Would Have Talked" that just came out this year, the best and the most important book to come out on the assassination in a long time. He writes about John Martino and some of the Cubans who did talk. And then there's Bradley Ayers, who wrote The Zenith Secret about what went on at JM/WAVE. He talks about Gordon Campbell and Shackley and the CIA guys who ran those Cuban down there, and if they are related to what happened at Dealey Plaza, then what Bradley Ayers says about JM/WAVE is very important.

GN: What do you think about the late Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession?

Kelly: Well if you look at his career, he was a disinformation and psychological warfare specialist.

GN: In the end he was trying to mislead us?

Kelly: He wrote novels in the same fashion as Ian Fleming, and there's a lot of reality laced through his novels, so when he writes non-fiction, you have to question what's what? And now that he's dead, we are left with what he wrote, but his son might be on to something.

GN: I think so to. Could a grand jury subpoena these still secret documents?

Kelly: Absolutely. Absolutely. If there is a grand jury going, you will have the body exhumed and a proper forensic autopsy performed that should have been done years ago.

GN: We've had Dr. Cyril Wecht on earlier, a pathologist.

Kelly: Dr. Wecht works with us at COPA, he was a director of the Coalition on Political Assassination.

GN: He was responding to a question of why we haven't DNA'd the bullets?

Kelly: Well that's a test that a grand jury would order have done.

GN: The fact that nobody is doing anything tells you what, Bill?

Kelly: It tells us that the government doesn't want answers to any questions.

GN: Exactly, why?

Kelly: Well the people who took over the government in 1963 are still in power today, and like Cyril said, until these people die off they're not going to let go of the truth of what happened.

If we proceed the way I want to go, and that is to have the oversight hearings in Congress on the JFK Act and get a grand jury going, I think we can answer some of the questions in our lifetime.

GN: Do they care?

Kelly: I don't think it matters if they care. The things I am asking for are mandated by the Constitution – it's the way government works. This is the way things should be done. Laws passed by Congress should be enforce and overseen by those responsible, and a murder should go to a grand jury. It's never been before a grand jury, except by Garrison in New Orleans, and I don't think he did it right.

GN: He tried. His intentions were good.

Kelly: His intentions may have been good, but he didn't have all the resources or the evidence that he should have had and that we have now.

GN: Do you think – the old Jack Nickelson line, "You can't handle the truth," do you think American's can handle the truth.

Kelly: Absolutely. In order to have an open government in a democracy you need to inform the people of what the truth is and let them decide. Even those who believe Oswald did it alone because he was nuts support the idea of releasing the records and having an open government.

GN: And get it behind us and move on. I think most Americans already believe there was a conspiracy here.

Kelly: 80% do. And the thing is this case is slowly slipping from an unsolved homicide into the realm of history, and I think by the 50th anniversary it will reach that point. Right now, at the 44th we still have a window of opportunity to get these living witnesses to testify under oath and answer the questions. And I think we should get a grand jury going and present the evidence as it is and let the grand jury decide if there's enough evidence to indict someone.

GN: Okay Bill, thank you for your information on the push here to get more records and a grand jury.

Kelly: And thank you for doing the show tonight and having such good people on – Cyril Wecht, Gary Aguliar, Bob Groden, John Judge, they're all good people and friends of mine.

GN: Alright, Bob Groden is next on Coast to Coast, stay tuned.

END OF SEGMENT.

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Coast to Coast AM radio show. November 23rd, 2007, 3 am – EST. WOND 1400

George Noorey: William Kelly, journalist by trade, from Browns Mills, New Jersey, has done extensive research into the assassination of President Kennedy since 1970s. His articles have appeared over the years in both print and online forums and newspapers and magazines. An expert on Lee Harvey Oswald and the Cuban connections to the case, and a co-founder (with John Judge) of the Committee for an Open Archives (COA). Also co-author of the Committee for an Open Archives magazine, he is currently campaigning for Congressional Oversight Committee to hold a legally mandated review of the JFK Assassination Records Act. He also supports the creation of a grand jury to reopen the investigation to reopen what he calls the unsolved homicide of President Kennedy. Bill Kelly. Hey Bill, how are you?

Kelly: Hi George, I'm doing good. Thanks for doing this show.

GN: My pleasure. Happy Thanksgiving.

Kelly: Thank you, and I'm glad to hear about your daughter in St. Louis having a baby.

GN: It's getting close. The direction you're going now, you're looking for information? You want a grand jury; you're looking for more data, where does it lead from here?

Kelly: Well, I'm not really advocating any particular theory. I'm trying to get the government to do its job, and I think it's about time, after fifteen years we've had the JFK Act in force, they've never had any hearings on it. And I think the oversight hearings are long over due and I think if they are held, and the people who have destroyed records or refuse to release records they've been ordered to release, and claim they don't have records we know exist, and they are put on the hot seat, and Congressmen ask them the hard questions under oath, I think we'll get some good answers.

GN: I hope so. Now tell us a little bit about this JFK Assassination Records Act.

Kelly: Well Congress passed the act fifteen years ago, a few years after John Judge and I formed the Committee for an Open Archives, which unsuccessfully lobbied Congress to release the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) records, which were locked away for fifty years in 1979.

GN: John Judge by the way, working with our producer Lisa Lyons, helped put together this show tonight and John will be our guest for the final half hour tonight. Go ahead Bill.

Kelly: Yea, so we lobbied Congress for years to free the assassination records, and Congress wouldn't pay any attention to us at all. Then Ollie Stone did the movie "JFK" and we asked him to put a little rider at the end of the film to say that the files were locked away and he did that. And that instigated Congress to pass the JFK Act when people wrote letters and contacted their Congressmen and asked why these files are still locked away. The overwhelming amount of people who talked to their Congressmen about it, convinced them to do this. And now it's been fifteen years and we haven't had any hearings on the oversight of this act.

There is a new chairman of the oversight committee, Henry Waxman (D. Calf.), who has done hearings on other subjects, and we're trying to convince him to hold hearings on the JFK Act sometime in the next year.

GN: Okay, but a lot of the records are still tucked away, for how long?

Kelly: Well, there all suppose to be released by 2019, but we don't want to wait that long, we think they all should be released now.

GN: They haven't been all chopped up and thrown away.

Kelly: They have released millions of records, but the ones that we've requested that we know have some important stuff in them have been with held for national security reasons. And there's a court case right now that people should be aware of – Jeff Morley vs. the CIA, regarding the Joannides documents. If you read his article in the current issue of Playboy Morley outlines some of the reasons why these records are important. It's great that he's in court right now challenging the CIA to release these records that should have been released by the JFK Act, but they still refuse to do so because of national security.

GN: Bill, let me ask you a couple of questions.

Kelly: Yea?

GN: If during the period when Abraham Lincoln was assassinated, if it were publicly acknowledged that members of the government conspired to kill him, what would have happened at that time, if that were true and that come out?

Kelly: Well the Constitution allows for the government to carry on no matter what happens. The Lincoln assassination is history now, a hundred years over, but the Kennedy assassination is still a current event, an unsolved homicide that isn't in the historical category yet.

GN: What I'm leading towards though, lets say that happened, and members of the government conspired and killed him, and now a hundred years plus later they finally go into records and say….

Kelly: They did show that the Lincoln assassination was a conspiracy, and in fact they hung people for being part of it at the time.

GN: But if we were told today that high level members of the government conspired to kill the president then, today we'd say ho-ho hum, we know that because it's old news. Isn't that what's going to happen in 2019?

Kelly: Yes, if we wait that long. I think Cyril Wecht hit the nail on the head when he was talking to you earlier tonight when he said "the case is still to hot for the government to handle" and we're going to have to wait until all the main people are dead. I think that will happen in the next ten years, but I think we should act now. I think the government is poised to act now, the people want the government to act now, and the oversight hearings are mandated for the review of the JFK Act. But I think we should have a grand jury too.

We should present the evidence of crimes related to the assassination, before a grand jury right now, and let the grand jury take the evidence and see where it goes.

GN: Is there anything new Bill that has come out let's say over the last five, ten years, that the Warren Commission would have loved to have had?

Kelly: Well of course, the whole Castro assassination angle never went before the Warren Commission and every years, every month now, it seems something new comes out. I think this is becoming a hot case again, and is no longer a cold case. We've had David Talbot's book "Brothers" published, we've had Bugliosi's book published, we've had the E. Howard Hunt book and stories come out, and you had a guest on tonight talk about a new book on James Files. I think there are a lot of things happening on this case, and I think it's going to continue happening, and it's going to go from a cold case to a hot case real soon.

GN: Bill, you don't have a specific theory, but you do believe…..

Kelly: I believe, from my study of the case indicates as Cyril Wecht said earlier, it was a coup d'etat by the highest levels of government. Now that doesn't necessarily mean it was a big, grand conspiracy, but it was an effective assassination and coup.

GN: That's frightening.

Kelly: It is, and it's frightening that the government, because of the national security implications, will not reveal the truth of what happened. I think that's the reason why we have to get to the truth – for the same reasons they say they can't release the records to the public – and that's because our national security is at stake.

GN: Do you think that every standing President to date, knows what happened?

Kelly: Well, Yes. Yes, they figured it out. That's why they appointed the Vice Presidents they appoint. Because they know what happened to Kennedy in 1963. The coup that took place really happened in 1960 at the Democratic National Convention when they put LBJ on the ticket as the Vice Presidential candidate. That allowed the coup to take place.

GN: Why did Kennedy go along with that? Did he need the South and Texas that much?

Kelly: I think they were blackmailed into it, and Joe Kennedy was involved. The deliberations during that event included Phil Graham, the publisher of the Washington Post, who was the one who set it up and has written extensively about it. But LBJ was put on the ticket against Bobby Kennedy's wishes, and against the President's wishes at the time, and that allowed the coup to take place at Dealey Plaza.

GN: I wonder if behind closed doors during that election if Kennedy and Johnson looked at each other and said, "I hate your guts."

Kelly: Well, LBJ was not a nice person. I think anyone who studies him at any length realizes pretty much that he was just a bad person, in my view.

GN: When they talk about these documents being with held for reasons of national security, as it directly relates to the assassination, what could that be? What could be so important that the national security would be at stake?

Kelly: Well, the documents that Jeff Morley is trying to get concerns these gentlemen who worked for the CIA, Joannides, George Joannides…..

GN: There was just this big article in Playboy….

Kelly: Yes, and those records have to do with JM/WAVE, that was the CIA base in Florida that was set up to handle Cuban matters, and the JM/WAVE files contain a lot of records that are relevant to the assassination and they should have been released with the JFK Act and are sill being with held. Someday we're going to see them, and we will read them and find out why they are being with held.

GN: We have a new story here that Kennedy might have been assassinated in Chicago on November 2nd, 1963. It's possible all these groups you've heard about – the mob, the Cuban connection, the Oswald connection, it's possible they all had different dates they were going to get him.

Kelly: Well, there are many theories and many people didn't like him and different groups may have tried to kill him, but in the end what happened in Dallas only happened one way, and in the end individual people did it, and not organizations like the mob and CIA, though the individuals may have been part of those organizations. Only individuals can be held accountable for murder so we have to name names, individuals, and pretty soon I think we will be close enough to do that.

GN: Bill, the subsequent deaths of witnesses and participants is absolutely uncanny.

Kelly: Well there's a natural attrition that takes place over time. When I asked the archivist at the National Archives twenty years ago why the records were locked away for fifty years, he said that was the time estimated that the people mentioned in the documents would be dead. So now, thanks to the JFK Act, we have many of the records now, and after 45 years, there's still a five year window of opportunity that there's witnesses still alive. Now I know you're implying that there were mysterious deaths, but it wasn't only mysterious deaths, there's some blatant homicides – open unsolved cases today – Rosselli, Giancana, I have a list of a dozen related homicides that if prosecutors around the country get together and try to solve, the resolution of these cold cases will indirectly lead to solving of what happened at Dealey Plaza.

GN: I think you are right, but those individuals lived very dangerous lives. But we have a lot of witnesses in the JFK case who were normal people who died strangely.

Kelly: Yes we do. And we have others that had stories they wanted to tell who silenced. And we have a few of them that are still out there, and if the can just hang on for another year maybe we can get them to testify before a Congressional hearing or a grand jury and actually solve the case.

GN: Is there another Garrison out there?

Kelly: It's not a Garrison you are looking for. I think you need a young, aggressive prosecutor who is hungry, similar to assistant DA who solved the Medgar Evers assassination and got a conviction there. That case provides a blueprint for how it can be done. You need a young, aggressive assistant prosecutor who is willing to take on the responsibility of pushing this.

GN: He has to have a boss though, who will allow him to do it.

Kelly: Well there's a new DA in Dallas, and a new Sheriff in town too, and they're both black and both liberal. The new DA in Dallas has been letting people out of jail who were convicted by former DA Henry Wade on false evidence. They've come up with new DNA evidence and concluded they were innocent. We hope to be able to convince this new District Attorney to convene a grand jury to investigate the assassination.

GN: How pointed do you think some of these documents might be, how specific?

Kelly: The records are a whole different matter from the grand jury. Whether you believe in a conspiracy or you believe Oswald did it because he was nuts, you still want the records released to the public. Gerald Posner has even signed on to a letter asking for the CIA records Morley wants to be released. I think everyone wants to free the files, and I think we have a real good shot at having Congressional oversight hearings in Washington next year. March 17th, St. Patty's Day, is the beginning of Sunshine Week throughout the country in which reporters and journalists talk about secret records and the need for open records in an open government. We're trying to get the Waxman committee to hold hearings on the JFK Act oversight hearings that week. And being broadcast from Los Angeles, you might have your listeners there to contact their representative, Henry Waxman, who is chairman of the Oversight Committee and represents LA and Hollywood, and encourage him to hold the oversight hearings on the JFK Act that are mandated by the law. Your daughter in St. Louis is represented by Rep. William Clay, the chairman of the subcommittee responsible for the National Archives. Clay is the one who would conduct the hearings, decide on what witnesses would testify and he has to be convinced of the necessity to hold these hearings as well.

GN: How come nobody has leaked the information that are in these documents? Are they in a vault?

Kelly: People have been talking. Larry Hancock wrote a really good book called "Someone Would Have Talked" that just came out this year, the best and the most important book to come out on the assassination in a long time. He writes about John Martino and some of the Cubans who did talk. And then there's Bradley Ayers, who wrote The Zenith Secret about what went on at JM/WAVE. He talks about Gordon Campbell and Shackley and the CIA guys who ran those Cuban down there, and if they are related to what happened at Dealey Plaza, then what Bradley Ayers says about JM/WAVE is very important.

GN: What do you think about the late Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession?

Kelly: Well if you look at his career, he was a disinformation and psychological warfare specialist.

GN: In the end he was trying to mislead us?

Kelly: He wrote novels in the same fashion as Ian Fleming, and there's a lot of reality laced through his novels, so when he writes non-fiction, you have to question what's what? And now that he's dead, we are left with what he wrote, but his son might be on to something.

GN: I think so to. Could a grand jury subpoena these still secret documents?

Kelly: Absolutely. Absolutely. If there is a grand jury going, you will have the body exhumed and a proper forensic autopsy performed that should have been done years ago.

GN: We've had Dr. Cyril Wecht on earlier, a pathologist.

Kelly: Dr. Wecht works with us at COPA, he was a director of the Coalition on Political Assassination.

GN: He was responding to a question of why we haven't DNA'd the bullets?

Kelly: Well that's a test that a grand jury would order have done.

GN: The fact that nobody is doing anything tells you what, Bill?

Kelly: It tells us that the government doesn't want answers to any questions.

GN: Exactly, why?

Kelly: Well the people who took over the government in 1963 are still in power today, and like Cyril said, until these people die off they're not going to let go of the truth of what happened.

If we proceed the way I want to go, and that is to have the oversight hearings in Congress on the JFK Act and get a grand jury going, I think we can answer some of the questions in our lifetime.

GN: Do they care?

Kelly: I don't think it matters if they care. The things I am asking for are mandated by the Constitution – it's the way government works. This is the way things should be done. Laws passed by Congress should be enforce and overseen by those responsible, and a murder should go to a grand jury. It's never been before a grand jury, except by Garrison in New Orleans, and I don't think he did it right.

GN: He tried. His intentions were good.

Kelly: His intentions may have been good, but he didn't have all the resources or the evidence that he should have had and that we have now.

GN: Do you think – the old Jack Nickelson line, "You can't handle the truth," do you think American's can handle the truth.

Kelly: Absolutely. In order to have an open government in a democracy you need to inform the people of what the truth is and let them decide. Even those who believe Oswald did it alone because he was nuts support the idea of releasing the records and having an open government.

GN: And get it behind us and move on. I think most Americans already believe there was a conspiracy here.

Kelly: 80% do. And the thing is this case is slowly slipping from an unsolved homicide into the realm of history, and I think by the 50th anniversary it will reach that point. Right now, at the 44th we still have a window of opportunity to get these living witnesses to testify under oath and answer the questions. And I think we should get a grand jury going and present the evidence as it is and let the grand jury decide if there's enough evidence to indict someone.

GN: Okay Bill, thank you for your information on the push here to get more records and a grand jury.

Kelly: And thank you for doing the show tonight and having such good people on – Cyril Wecht, Gary Aguliar, Bob Groden, John Judge, they're all good people and friends of mine.

GN: Alright, Bob Groden is next on Coast to Coast, stay tuned.

END OF SEGMENT.

good job, Bill heard only your segment...

David

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Guest Gary Loughran

Great job Bill, as usual. If an audio is available could you post a link, please.

The retention of focus on (y)our objectives certainly, in reading, was impressive.

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