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[b]National Guard[/b]

1. On 22 October 1952, individual joined an Armor unit of the TX National guard and was "assigned" the position of Tank Crewman (MOS 1795)*

2. On 8 February, 1953, fter having been in the NG Unit for approximately 118 days**, individual was discharged from the NG unit due to "Minority"/aka having been found to be underage. (16 days of actual duty time during the period)

*Due to personnel constraints, the National Guard must have a "vacancy" in order to allow one to enter the guard. Thus, when one joins the Guard, they are actually joining to fill an empty position within the unit's TOE (Table of Organization & Equipment) which designates the exact manpower as well as equipment which the unit is authorized to have.

Furthermore, the MOS 1795 is an erroneous MOS to be assigned to a "Tank Crewman"/aka tank driver.

The MOS 1795 is for senior enlisted members of the Tank Crew whereas a Tank Crewman's MOS is MOS 3795.

With that stated, this does not prevent the NG from enlisting a new person with absolutely no experience and assigning them to the "Vacant Position" of an MOS 1795 (Senior Enlisted Tank Crew Member). In fact, since the NG was relegated to only being able to accept volunteers to fill a "vacant slot", then a new enlistee frequently was taken in and actually "assigned" that vacant slot as this was the only manner in which the unit was allowed to gain new enlistees.

**The individual, according to those records provided, actually served a total of 16 days of "Weekend Drill" duty during this approximately 3 and 1/2 months of assignment in the NG unit.

Thusly, the individual would not have not completed the "Active Duty for Training" requirements of 8 weeks of Basic Training, and subsequently would not have received the Advanced Individual Training (AIT) which actually awards an MOS.

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United States Army Reserve

1. On 28 September, 1953, some 7+ months after having been dischared from the Armor National Guard Unit as being underage, the individual joined an Army Reserve Unit.*

There is no record of any active days of service or of any military training schools during this period.

2. On 2 March, 1954, after slightly more than 7-months of assignment in the USAR, the individual volunteered for Active Duty and thereafter entered active duty in the US Army on 3 March, 1954.

*In joining the USAR, the individual was assigned a completely new Service Number, which is indicative that the individual did not report his extremely short period of prior service in the National Guard.

Had the individual, as required by enlistment regulations, actually reported this prior NG service, then his Service Number would have remained the same with the excepition that the NG prefix would have been deleted and a US prefix added to the number.

However, had this prior service & prior Service Number in the NG been reported as required, then the fact that the individual was underage would have been immediately discovered as his NG Military Record would have had to be checked in order to allow enlistment into the Reserves.

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REGULAR ARMY/Active Duty

1. On 3 March, 1954, the day after being dropped from the rolls of the USAR, the individual was picked up on the rolls of the Regular Army.*

Individual entered the rolls of the Active Army as a "0006" which indicated that the individual entered service as a "Basic Trainee"* with no MOS Qualification whatsoever.

2. On 2 July, 1954, after approximately 4-months of actual Active Army service, individual was discharged from the Army for "Minorty'/aka again having been found to have been underage.

*The "Report of Separation" tells much which the applicant apparantly does not understand in regards to the various brances of the Army.

A. Service Number:

When in the National Guard, one has an NG prefix.

When in the US Army Reserves, one has a US prefix.

When one joins the Active Army, one's prefix becomes RA.

Additionally, as can be seen from the top right corner of the Report of Separation, the individual had actually volunteered to join the Regular Army Artillery.

However, individual has never discussed the fact that he WAS NOT assigned to any Armor/Tank unit while on actual active duty.

B. Rank:

Individual left the USAR Service and entered RA/Active Duty status with the rank of Pvt-1/aka Private E-1.

It should be noted that promotion to Private E-2 paygrade is, for all general purposes, automatically given once an individual has completed his AIT/MOS training. In fact, many individuals actually are promoted to the rank of E-2 after having completed ONLY the BASIC TRAINING aspects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_United_States

Initially, recruits without higher education or college degrees will hold the paygrade of E-1, and will be elevated to E-2 usually after the completion of Basic Combat Training and with a minimum of six months Time-In-Service (TIS).

*Time in Service is waiverable by the Unit Commander.

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Regular Army:

For those who have no understanding of the organizational structure of the US Army, there is:

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A. Regular Army: Strength size designated by Congress and this strength can not exceed the size and organization without consent of Congress.

All enlisted personnel within the Regular Army carry the RA prefix in front of their Service Numbers, as did Officers.

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/armypromoti...ypromotions.htm

Each year, when Congress passes the Defense Authorization Act, they tell the Army exactly how many people can be on active duty during the year. By separate legislation, Congress also limits what percentage of the total active duty force can serve in each commissioned officer rank, what percentage of the total active duty force can serve in each warrant officer rank, and what percentage of the active duty force can serve in each enlisted rank, above the grade of E-4 (there are no statutory limits for E-4 and below).

That, then, becomes the basis of the Army enlisted promotion system. The Army takes the number of "slots" they have for each enlisted rank, above the rank of E-4, and allocates them to the different MOS's (enlisted jobs). In other words, MOS 123 may be allowed to have 5,000 E-5s at any point in time and 2,000 E-6s, and MOS 456 may be authorized 7,000 E-5s, and 5,000 E-6s (as a general rule, the higher the rank, the fewer positions there are).

In order to promote someone (above the rank of E-4), there must be a "vacancy." For example, if an E-9 retires in a certain MOS, that means that one E-8 can be promoted to E-9, and that opens an E-8 slot, so one E-7 can be promoted to E-8, and so-forth.

If 200 E-5s get out of the Army in a particular MOS, then 200 E-4s can be promoted to E-5.

Decentralized Promotions (E-2 through E-4).

Decentralized Promotions means that the unit (company) is the promotion authority. By theory, the commander decides who gets promoted and who doesn't. In actuality, because there are no quotas for promotion for E-2s through E-4s, commanders pretty much promote everyone (as long as they do their job okay and don't get into trouble) who meet the "promotion criteria." The "promotion criteria" is set by the Army to ensure that the "promotion flow" remains stable, and everyone (regardless of MOS) can expect to be promoted at the same (approximate) time-frame.

Finally, if the unit is undermanned in specific grades, the Army may allow the unit commander to waiver TIG and TIS requirements. When specifically authorized, the commander can waiver up to 2 months TIG for promotions to E-2, 6 months TIS/2 months TIG for promotions to E-3, and 6 months TIS/3 months TIG for promotion to E-4.

The promotion criteria for promotion to the ranks of E-2 to E-4 are:

Private (E-2) - Six months time-in-grade (TIG) as a private (E-1).

Private First Class (E-3) - Four months TIG as a Private (E-2) and 12 months time-in-service (TIS).

Specialist/Corporal (E-4) - 6 months TIG with 24 months TIS.

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B. United States Army Reserve:

This force consists of two separate divisions. One being the "Inactive Reserve" in which one is assigned to merely on paper, and which force consists principally of those persons who have served at least their minimum 2-year active duty service commitment. Due to (back then) a 6-year military obligation, even though one may be drafted and serve two full years of active duty, they were thereafter assigned (on paper) to an Inactive Reserve Unit until such time as they had completed an additional 4-years of being available to be called up for service should the Reserve Unit be activated.(*See note below regarding LHO's service & discharge)

The other being the "Active Reserve" which consists of individuals who actually serve a given number of days per year in service/training, much in the same manner as does the National Guard.

However, the active Reserve usually relegates their training to "Summer Camp" in which the individual serves the equivelent number of days at Summer Camp that an NG volunteer serves in their full one-year of weekend drills + their two-week summer camp drill.

In event one receives their Basic Training and MOS training while serving in the Reserves,, then this training is fully applicable to any transfer into any NG Component, as well as should one decide to enter Active Duty in the US Army.

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C. National Guard: Assignment to the National Guard of a specific State. In this service, one can actually transfer from the NG of one State to the NG of another State, thusly maintaining their "time in service" served, yet the individual actually falls under the Command of the State Commander of the specifica unit in which served; gains points toward Federal Military Retirement, yet is only subject to call to active duty if the Guard Unit is "Nationalized" by order of the President.

In event one receives their Basic Training and MOS training in the National Guard, then this training is fully applicable to any transfer into any Reserve Component, as well as should one decide to enter Active Duty in the US Army.

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As indicated by the applicant's Report of Separation (combined with other service records), the applicant entered the REGULAR ARMY (RA) in an Artillery ( RA ARTY) slot.

However, the applicant did not possess any MOS and actual entered RA Active Duty as a "Basic Trainee"/aka code 0006.

Additionally, since the applicant was separated from the service after approximately 4-months of actual RA Active Duty, then this is also indicative that the individual never completed anything beyond possible the Basic Trainee stage of training and was thusly released from active Regular Army duty with no assigned MOS/skill, due to having been found to be underage.

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USAR (Second Time)

On or about 9 February, 1955, (shortly after having achieved the legal age of entry) the individual made application to "rejoin" the original Texas National Guard Unit (156th Tank Batallion which individual had been previously discharged from due to being underage) for a 3-year period of time.

There is no indication that the individual was actually accepted into this service or actually served any additional military service.

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http://www.dd214.us/nprc_73fire.html

In the event that one has managed to obtain a copy of their DD214, then said instruments were obviously not "lost".

The DD 214 is issued upon one's release from Active Duty Service an contains the known records of one's training/schooling/

and military service up to that date of release.

Therefore, on 2 July, 1954, Private/E-1 William R. Plumlee was released from active duty from the US REGULAR ARMY (Artillery Branch) with the skill code identifier that he was a "Basic Trainee".

Furthermore, the fact that the individual did not even have ANY award of the Marksmanship Badge is fully indicative that the individual had not/did not even complete the requirements of Basic Training prior to being released from active duty service due to having found to be underage for enlistment.

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*Note regarding LHO's Service: LHO enlisted for a period of 3-years in the USMC. He served slightlly less than this time due to receiving an "Early Out" based on a "Hardship" application.

Upon release, LHO was assigned to an USMC "Active Reserve" Unit in which he would have been required to attend Summer Camp as well as any other called to duty training.

In reality, this should not have been, and appears to have been an administrative error, and LHO should have been assigned to an "Inactive Reserve" unit in which he was merely a name and MOS on a "paperwork" USMC Reserve Force.

Upon release from active duty, LHO was granted an Honorable discharge, which in reality was merely an Honorable discharge from ACTIVE DUTY.

One's FULL DISCHARGE is not received until after completeion of the (at that time) full 6-year military servivce obligation, at which time LHO would have received a full and HONORABLE Discharge from the USMC.

Due to his failure to attend Active Duty for Training in his Active Reserve Component, LHO was and could be immediately brought up for a DISHONORABLE Discharge from the USMC.

This was further enhanced due to having received a discharge under the false pretense of "Hardship" to help/assist his mother, and yet thereafter having departed the US for the Soviet Union.

The question of LHO's DISHONORABLE discharge from the USMC is a matter for legal jurisdiction to settle.

Had this discharge been given under the "Fraudulent" release from acitve duty then there would be no contest.

However, LHO was, due to what appears to be military error, assigned to an "Active Reserve" component force, and through this error in which he truly had no military obligation to do so, he missed active duty for training sessions within his assigned Reserve Unit.

Which unit immediately (with no small assistance from higher command) processed LHO for a DISHONORABLE discharge from the USMC.

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Posted at Plumlee's request - the reason he doesn't have his complete military files.

Thanks Peter; The documents posted were in no way the complete military file. I only posted the files obtained from the Texas National Guard at Camp Mabre Texas, because they were the only ones available to me. They were certified by the Adj. Gen of the Texas National Guard. In those files at the 49th Armored Div. HDQ was scattered pages of the Army Reserve and the regular Army found in their data base of which did not go to Saint Louis Mo and avoided the fire of 1972. These were not complete military files and I never said they were. I held the rank of Cpl in the Army Reserve as well as the Texas National Guard at the ages of 15-16-17. The post and document reflects I was in the military at 14-18 as those documents state. And I posted documentation to that effect. From 1952 until 1955 these files state for whatever reasons I was in military status. Others are still sealed.

The VA found and obtained another file from the "Pentagon, JC-2" which was much more detailed as to my military record and as a result I was awarded full VA benefits. Parts of that file are still "Classified" at the request of the CIA. May 1964.

I hope this helps you in your research. I have many other documents and documentation, as to what I have testified to the Senate of the United States and the Church Committee of (1974, I think it was) Because of the nature of that testimony some of it was behind close doors as the documentation states and was classified.

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http://www.dd214.us/index.html

Welcome to DD214!

The Road To Acquire Your DD214

Why is a DD214 important?

The Report of Separation contains information normally needed to verify military service for benefits, retirement, employment, and membership in veterans' organizations. Information shown on the Report of Separation may include the service member's:

Military job specialty

Military education

Decorations, medals, badges, citations, and campaign awards

Total creditable service

Nevertheless, there are many alternate sources that a qualified researcher can access in an effort to reconstruct basic service information

Among your personal papers, these will aid in your record reconstruction:

TDY or PCS orders

Promotion orders

Awards and decoration orders

Travel orders

Special duty orders

Training Certificates

Performance Reports/Evaluations

If you haven't maintained these records, hopefully you'll know of or be able to contact other veterans with whom you served. As you know, when military orders are issued they contain the names of other members of your unit affected by the same Standard or General Order affecting your promotion, transfer, etc.

One source of data for researchers is enlistment records. The NPRC maintains 9.2 million records for enlistments in the Army, Enlisted Reserve Corps, and Women's Army Auxiliary Corps.

Another primary source of alternate data utilized by professional researchers is a collection of 19 million final pay vouchers. These records provide name, service number, dates of service, and character of service. These are the most critical service data elements needed for the reconstruction process. With these and other organizational records (enlistment ledgers, service number indexes, etc.), both professional researchers as well as NPRC (MPR) personnel can usually verify military service and provide a Certification of Military Service. This Certification can be used for any purpose for which the original discharge document was used, including the application for veterans benefits.

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1. FACT: I was in the Texas National Guard in 1952 and I was 14 years of age.

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http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...12082&st=15

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Q: Is it now accepted that Tosh's enlistment into the National Guard was legal?

A: No response

[current comment. Question was based on incorrect premise, as it now appears it was not legal]

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http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/cocaine-airways/25835/

At 14 and a half, he forged a birth certificate and joined the Texas National Guard;

So, if he already knew the answer to this question, why ask us?

six months later he leapt to the U.S. Army,

Nope! Booted out of the Guard for being underage. Subsequently thereafter joined the Texas US Army Reserve (most probably with the same falsified birth certificate) and shortly thereafter* volunteered for RA Active Duty Service in the Air Defense Artillery located at Ft. Bliss, TX., only to be again booted out due to also again being found to be underage.

*From the records, one can not ascertain whether the individual was booted out of the USAR for being underage, and thereafter the next day volunteered RA Active Duty, or whether the individual volunteered for RA Active Duty directly from the Reserve Unit.

Since the discharge reason from the USAR indicates "Minority" also, it would appear that the individual was discharged from the USAR after having found to be underage (same as in NG), and immediately volunteered RA Active Duty.

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leapt to the U.S. Army, which promptly discovered he’d lied about his age and booted him with an honorable discharge, adding that if he stayed in Dallas and came back in two years—this time with his parents’ consent—he could re-enlist.

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And, according to provided USAR documents, in 1955 the individual again applied for enlistment back into his original NG Unit.

And, at the time, he was now married.

http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/cocaine-...s/25835/?page=5

This photo appears to have been provided which demonstrates that Corporal William Plumlee, of some Armored Unit (left shoulder unit ensignia) is standing with his wife.

Which certainly appears to demonstrate that at some point AFTER July 1955, and AFTER his re-enlistment into the Texas National Guard, William Plumlee achieved the Rank of Corporal.

It should be further noted that the Texas National Guard would have full records of all schooling; training; and enlistment records of such service.

Perhaps one could get an explanation for that extremely short tour of RA service which was spent in the RA ARTY/aka Air Defense Artillery unit at Ft. Bliss, as well as expanded information relative to the additional 3-years of NG Service between the period of 1955 to 1958.

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And received flight training under the GI Bill in 54..

http://www.dallashistory.org/cgi-bin/webbb...rames;read=9654

http://www.dallashistory.org/cgi-bin/webbb...ames;read=48198

I took flying lessons at White Rock Aviation in 1953. "Smitty" was my flight instructor. I soloed at White Rock in June of 53. Dave Ferris and I used to fly the old 'underpowered' Steerman with its Continual 220 engine that Pappy Reeves (I think owned) The Devil's Speedway was racing a "figure 8" type race and I would forward slip my J-3 Cub over the track and land on the dirt strip at White Rock. I worked as a engine rebuild mech at Southwest Airmotive night shift Dallas love Field as a young lad of 14-15 while going to Alex W Spence Jr.High in Dallas. I also refueled aircraft at Dallas Aero Service and cleaned the hanger when I was 14. I would wash the airplanes and clean the windows for free rides in the Loadstar C-60's

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I. How did Plumlee get into the National Guard at 14 while on 4 years federal probation?

http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/cocaine-airways/25835/

At 14 and a half, he forged a birth certificate and joined the Texas National Guard;

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With such reliable information as has been provided, it is quite irrelevant as to whether one is "shooting blanks" or even has a gun.

So long as the other party continues to shoot himself in the foot with his claims and "changed claims".

P.S. One can not draw on the G.I. Bill and/or draw against some perceived disability and be in the US Army Reserves, as is indicated in the 1955 photo.

http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/cocaine-...s/25835/?page=5

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Your specious and suspicous character assassination of Plumlee fools few, but fools. Now that your buddy in arms, GPH has died, perhaps its time to come 'clean' on where you really stand on things related to JFK. I find you mostly an obscuring agent IMO. I'd also like you to stop dodging [i've asked twice before and been met with a deafening silence I can only interpret as a confirmation of sorts] and state what your familiar relationship is to one of the Oswalds, within Project Oswald. Were you ever in psyops? Are you still? You appear to me as real as the magic bullet you seem to 'sell' yet 'say' you do not. Telling.....

Your specious and suspicous character assassination of Plumlee

Exactly how does one go about further assassinating the "character" of one who apparantly by his own admission was a "drug runner"; a car thief; and forger of bad checks.

Personally, I would attempt to blame such criminal activities on someone else also. The CIA; my momma; the Vietnam War; or whatever/whoever I could.

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