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Robert,

So Jim. Carlton Stower's in the chapter referenced above seemingly agree's that Fowler was 'Tippit's partner' for a time. But is not quoted regarding whether Fowler was Tippit's partner on November 22, 1963. Can you add anything in that regard, and did you ever get to the bottom of that ram's head stuff? Goodness, that is some weird stuff? Thanks

The question becomes, were these single person cars, or did they patrolmen ride around in pairs.

In his WC testimony, Sgt. Calvin Owens said that Tipitt's general patrol area was in,

Mr. ELY. That would be districts 82 and 85?

Mr. OWENS. No--81, 82, 85, 86, 87, or 76, 77, 78, or 79---that's that sergeant's district.

This was part of the Southwest Substation.

By "that Sergeant", I believe he is referring to H.F. Davis.

I have the following list from the DPD tape transcripts:

76 Ptm. H. H. Horn

77 Ptm. W. E. Smith

78 Ptm. J. D. Tippit

79 Ptm. B. N. Arglin

80 Sgt. H. F. Davis

81 Ptm. J. L. Angell

83 Ptm. P. L. Gross

85 Ptm. R. W. Walker

87 Ptm. R. C. Nelson

What I find facinating is that none of these men filed a Report with Chief Curry on their activities on 11/22 and none of them testified before the Warren Commission. Patrolman Nelson figures prominently in the DPD Tape transcripts trying to run down a car with license plates that started with a PE that was seen with a rifle in the back seat.

The only thing I have to go on is from M.N. McDonald ( he who is credited with arresting Lee Harvey Oswald).

From the WC testimony of M.N. McDonald

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/mcdonald.htm

Mr. BALL - Did Tippit usually cruise alone, or did he ever have a partner sometimes?

Mr. McDONALD - Well, working in the daylight hours, which we were assigned that month, it is a custom to work alone unless he had a trainee, such as I. I don't believe he was a trainer.

Mr. BALL - In other words, you had a trainee with you, and that is the reason you were not alone?

Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.

McDonald’s District covered Districts 95 and 96. He was driving around with a partner that day, a T.R. Gregory.

So, my conclusion is that Billy Fowler's claim to be Tippit's "partner" should be interpreted broadly. They both worked in the same substation, even though, according to Batchelor, they were on different shifts.

Steve Thomas

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The one guy who knew more about the Tippit murder than anyone was the late Larry Harris.

He went so far as to get a job as a mailman in the neighborhood to get to know the neighbors.

He also developed a Tippit murder timeline and massive amounts of research info.

I'd like to know what became of it?

BK

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I classify Larry's death as one of the "mysterious" deaths.

He had just participated in the Roscoe White news conference,

and had done much investigation of it. Within a very short

time four of the participants died...Larry Harris, Larry Howard,

Bud Fensterwald, and Joe West. Only Gary Shaw* survived...

and he got the message and "retired" as a JFK researcher.

Jack

*other participants were Ricky White and Roscoe's pastor,

whose name escapes me.

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I classify Larry's death as one of the "mysterious" deaths.

He had just participated in the Roscoe White news conference,

and had done much investigation of it. Within a very short

time four of the participants died...Larry Harris, Larry Howard,

Bud Fensterwald, and Joe West. Only Gary Shaw* survived...

and he got the message and "retired" as a JFK researcher.

Jack

*other participants were Ricky White and Roscoe's pastor,

whose name escapes me.

Jack, Larry Harris might be a mysterious death,

but what became of his research material?

I too think there was more to the Roscoe/Ricky White story.

The Dave & The Debunkers posse can't take away the fact

that Roscoe White was in USMC on the same ship as LHO,

and his wife worked for Jack Ruby.

One thing is for certain, Ricky White isn't smart enough to put

it together.

The ONI guys behind this story lost it there for awhile.

And I pose the question again, what happened to Larry Harris'

Tippit research records?

BK

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I classify Larry's death as one of the "mysterious" deaths.

He had just participated in the Roscoe White news conference,

and had done much investigation of it. Within a very short

time four of the participants died...Larry Harris, Larry Howard,

Bud Fensterwald, and Joe West. Only Gary Shaw* survived...

and he got the message and "retired" as a JFK researcher.

Jack

*other participants were Ricky White and Roscoe's pastor,

whose name escapes me.

Jack, Larry Harris might be a mysterious death,

but what became of his research material?

I too think there was more to the Roscoe/Ricky White story.

The Dave & The Debunkers posse can't take away the fact

that Roscoe White was in USMC on the same ship as LHO,

and his wife worked for Jack Ruby.

One thing is for certain, Ricky White isn't smart enough to put

it together.

The ONI guys behind this story lost it there for awhile.

And I pose the question again, what happened to Larry Harris'

Tippit research records?

BK

I do not know. Maybe his widow would know. He had just

recently married an attractive black woman and moved

to Alabama or Georgia with her...and was killed late at

night in a one-car accident in a northern state where he

had gone to visit his (?) mother. The verdict was he fell

asleep at the wheel, but I wonder.

Jack

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And why is that, do ya think?

It's because there IS nothing "new" re. the case. It was solved the weekend of 11/22/63.

It's the CTers who keep adding "new" layers to the so-called "mystery". And how many of these layers have been PROVEN?

Zero.

That's a record to be proud of, for sure.

You'd think that after 42+ years, that at least one CTer might have put together a cohesive, logical, and believable theory to put the LNers in their proper place once and for all.

As yet, no such theory has come to the table.

Should I hold my breath waiting for it?

Boy, ain't that the truth. These guys really need to get their story straight. The JFK forum isn't about solving a murder. It's about making a political statement. Have you noticed that 99% of the mouth-breathers here are diehard leftists? Coincidence? If there's a conservative CT'er here, I've yet to bump into him or her. Trolls like Chuck are simply full of hate, and he's rationalized that hate by adopting a conspiracy theory that sees the people he hates as the sponsors of Kennedy's demise. All one has to do is ask “how could Lee Harvey Oswald have shot the President with that lousy rifle?” and the McChimpBushHitlerHalliburton crowd is hooked. Only a minuscule number of people know anything about a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, which was quite a serviceable weapon. Hatred for the US is their template. They just can't deal with the fact that a pathetic little leftist (i.e. one of their own) committed the crime of the century, so they twist the facts to achieve a certain desirable outcome. As for the innocent people trampled and defamed in the process? Well, they're just plum out of luck.

BS:

There was a conservative CT here for a long time. A former attorney named Tim Gratz. Tim was a Nixon man, and last I heard, still supported W. He posted on these pages daily and for several hours at a time. Had he not threatened to sue two members, including the owner and moderatior Mr Gratz would still be a conservative member here who is also a CT.

I am certain that there are other conservative CTs on this forum. Conservatives CAN think you know. Not everyone of them is an Operation Mockingbird dupe. One of my oldest friends is a strong conservative and he's been a CT for 35 years. So your comments re "political statements" are nonsense. You need to get out more.

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I classify Larry's death as one of the "mysterious" deaths.

He had just participated in the Roscoe White news conference,

and had done much investigation of it. Within a very short

time four of the participants died...Larry Harris, Larry Howard,

Bud Fensterwald, and Joe West. Only Gary Shaw* survived...

and he got the message and "retired" as a JFK researcher.

Jack

*other participants were Ricky White and Roscoe's pastor,

whose name escapes me.

Jack:

What is the current status of the Roscoe White story? I too classify these deaths as highly "mysterious". They were all young men. Larry Howard's wife is convinced that Larry died due to his work on this case. (Howard was also a guiding force re the Wallace story, assisting Glen Sample and Mark Collom with information in their publication The Men On The SIxth Floor.)

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Jack White wrote: "John (Armstrong) spent a year in China self-publishing Harvey & Lee, and the printing still cost him nearly $100,000."

Jack, judging by comments on this Forum, it seems like very few people (and this is a group of people with an abiding interest in the JFK assassination) have actually purchased and read Harvey & Lee.

Do you know how many copies have been sold? Did Armstrong even begin to recoup any of his costs?

As an aside, do you know if Armstrong ever feared for his personal safety? Thanks Jack.

Mike Hogan

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Bill,

Tippit also worked part time at a barbeque and a theater. What was the name of the barbeque and is it the same one owned and operated by Ralph Paul?

No, Tippit worked at Austin's BBQ and Ralph Paul ran the Bull Pen in Arlington.

Steve Thomas

THANK YOU STEVE,

AND WHICH HAD THE BETTER RIBS?

(I'M WRITING THE ASSASSIN'S CULINARY GUIDE TO NEW ORLEANS, TOKYO, MINSK, MEXICO CITY, DALLAS AND DC)

BK

rofl!

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Boy, ain't that the truth. These guys really need to get their story straight. The JFK forum isn't about solving a murder. It's about making a political statement. Have you noticed that 99% of the mouth-breathers here are diehard leftists? Coincidence? If there's a conservative CT'er here, I've yet to bump into him or her. Trolls like Chuck are simply full of hate, and he's rationalized that hate by adopting a conspiracy theory that sees the people he hates as the sponsors of Kennedy's demise. All one has to do is ask “how could Lee Harvey Oswald have shot the President with that lousy rifle?” and the McChimpBushHitlerHalliburton crowd is hooked. Only a minuscule number of people know anything about a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, which was quite a serviceable weapon. Hatred for the US is their template. They just can't deal with the fact that a pathetic little leftist (i.e. one of their own) committed the crime of the century, so they twist the facts to achieve a certain desirable outcome. As for the innocent people trampled and defamed in the process? Well, they're just plum out of luck.

***************

Slattery still seeing a "commie" under every mattress, spider hole?

Brandon, you'd do better trying to explain why Ronnie Raygun left Beirut after the Marine massacre? Was it CasperW or Ronnie running the country...?

Hold onto to Von Pein he needs every military retiree he can find, how is Texas these day's, Ted?

(sorry BillK)

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'Brendan Slattery' dronned on:

Boy, ain't that the truth. These guys really need to get their story straight. The JFK forum isn't about solving a murder. It's about making a political statement. Have you noticed that 99% of the mouth-breathers here are diehard leftists? Coincidence? If there's a conservative CT'er here, I've yet to bump into him or her. Trolls like Chuck are simply full of hate, and he's rationalized that hate by adopting a conspiracy theory that sees the people he hates as the sponsors of Kennedy's demise. All one has to do is ask “how could Lee Harvey Oswald have shot the President with that lousy rifle?” and the McChimpBushHitlerHalliburton crowd is hooked. Only a minuscule number of people know anything about a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, which was quite a serviceable weapon. Hatred for the US is their template. They just can't deal with the fact that a pathetic little leftist (i.e. one of their own) committed the crime of the century, so they twist the facts to achieve a certain desirable outcome. As for the innocent people trampled and defamed in the process? Well, they're just plum out of luck.

***************

Slattery still seeing a "commie" under every mattress, spider hole?

Brandon, you'd do better trying to explain why Ronnie Raygun left Beirut after the Marine massacre? Was it CasperW or Ronnie running the country...?

Hold onto to Von Pein he needs every military retiree he can find, how is Texas these day's, Ted?

(sorry BillK)

The only thing under your mattress is a copy of Playgirl. Please don't drink and post.

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'Brendan Slattery' dronned on:

Boy, ain't that the truth. These guys really need to get their story straight. The JFK forum isn't about solving a murder. It's about making a political statement. Have you noticed that 99% of the mouth-breathers here are diehard leftists? Coincidence? If there's a conservative CT'er here, I've yet to bump into him or her. Trolls like Chuck are simply full of hate, and he's rationalized that hate by adopting a conspiracy theory that sees the people he hates as the sponsors of Kennedy's demise. All one has to do is ask “how could Lee Harvey Oswald have shot the President with that lousy rifle?” and the McChimpBushHitlerHalliburton crowd is hooked. Only a minuscule number of people know anything about a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, which was quite a serviceable weapon. Hatred for the US is their template. They just can't deal with the fact that a pathetic little leftist (i.e. one of their own) committed the crime of the century, so they twist the facts to achieve a certain desirable outcome. As for the innocent people trampled and defamed in the process? Well, they're just plum out of luck.

***************

Slattery still seeing a "commie" under every mattress, spider hole?

Brandon, you'd do better trying to explain why Ronnie Raygun left Beirut after the Marine massacre? Was it CasperW or Ronnie running the country...?

Hold onto to Von Pein he needs every military retiree he can find, how is Texas these day's, Ted?

(sorry BillK)

The only thing under your mattress is a copy of Playgirl. Please don't drink and post.

I see, not many writing assignments these day's, eh? LMAO! Maybe you can help VonPein prop up Vinnie da Bugliosi...

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Hi, can anyone help me out with which is the best book to read on the Tippit murder and is there a web site anyone devoted only to that subject : :

Joanne, hi. The best book to read on the Tippit murder is "With Malice" by Dale Myers. The book draws the conclusion that Oswald murdered Tippit, which you may disagree with. Whatever your personal conclusion is on that score, Myers provides many photographs and much contextual detail that will enrich your understanding of the Tippit murder case.

Best wishes,

Royce Bierma

Roy, While Myers book has a lot of detail, it lacks some significant lines of inquiry that when followed bear much fruit.

I also recently read John Kelin's "Interview" with Dale at John's Fair Play site.

I'm sure CBS wouldn't have paid him thousands of dollars to say this.

FROM FAIR PLAY -

"I Don't Think Oswald Pulled the Trigger"

An Interview with Dale Myers

On-the-record statements, circa November 1982

by John Kelin

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Note: This transcript is from an interview with Dale Myers conducted in 1982. At that time I was working as a reporter for WEMU-FM in Ypsilanti, Michigan, a public radio station on the campus of Eastern Michigan University. Myers was on campus to lecture on the assassination of JFK, and I covered it for the station. We spoke a day or two before the lecture, and an edited version of that interview was broadcast on November 18, 1982.

Myers was, as the following makes plain, selling conspiracy.

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John Kelin: It's been close to twenty years since the assassination. Why should people still be concerned about this, at this late date?

Dale Myers: Oh, well, because the act of the assassination was simply --- that's the thing that opened the window, so to speak. The public got a glimpse of an intelligence covert operation. You know, prior to 1963 we were pretty much in a cocoon, so to speak, as far as how government operates. Since then, of course, we've had Watergate, and all the other atrocities of government.

And so, I guess what people don't realize is that the assassination has a direct bearing on what is happening today. And we've all heard the cliché that history repeats itself. And I guess it's because people never read history. And so I think it's important that we understand what happened simply for historical context --- not that anybody is going to be prosecuted, or that anybody is ever going to prove, you know, that this guy did this --- or whatever.

John Kelin: What do you hope to accomplish with this lecture?

Dale Myers: Okay. I was prepared for this question! [laughs]

The point is not to prove that this person had his finger on the trigger, or that these people were involved --- although certainly we'll cover that area. The point, really, is seeing how certain agencies, or certain government agencies, reacted. This was an extremely tense situation. And there was a tremendous covert operation that was tied directly to the assassination. Not that they were involved, but there's a direct link between a covert operation that was going on at this particular time. And there were a lot of agencies involved. Military intelligence, the FBI, the Central Intelligence Agency. And how they reacted --- and of course the coverup came from that --- but how they reacted during this particular situation, with all the pressures they were under, public and otherwise, is important today. If something similar --- not to say a shooting or an assassination --- but a similar situation, where there's an immense amount of public pressure, a tense situation where, you know, whether it be covert or not --- but where there's pressure on the agencies --- then we have an inkling, or we have an idea, of how they're going to react.

John Kelin: What do you think about Lee Harvey Oswald? Could he have done it by himself?

Dale Myers: Oh, certainly: anybody could have done it by themselves. First off, I don't think Lee Harvey Oswald pulled the trigger.

John Kelin: The trigger, or a trigger?

Dale Myers: Okay ... a trigger.

John Kelin: I mean --- you know, if there were two gunmen, could he have been one of them?

Dale Myers: Exactly. Okay. Well the gun that was fired from the Texas School Book Depository was the gun that fired all the shots that hit any victims. And including the fatal shot. But I don't think he was the finger that was behind that trigger. Although there's no doubt that it was his rifle. And to say that he did not pull the trigger does not mean that he was not involved in some way; he obviously was involved. But as far as saying that he was guilty ... I find that extremely hard to believe. And I think I'll show enough evidence to indicate, or that I think I could circumstantially beyond a reasonable doubt, so to speak, prove to anybody else, that he was not the man behind the trigger.

You know, that's one thing about this that's good for myself as far as --- it doesn't get monotonous. In other words, it's not a ritual where every year I get out and I go through the same tired old facts, and re-hash the same things the Warren Commission did back in 1964.

John Kelin: What's new in the investigation?

Dale Myers: I think the primary thing is the National Academy of Sciences, which came out with the report that refutes, and I would say conclusively, along with them, the acoustics, or ballistics, report that the House Select Committee based their decision that there were two gunmen firing at President Kennedy in 1978 --- the Report came out early this year.

John Kelin: Mm-hmm.

Dale Myers: And they did their investigation last year. It refutes conclusively, as I say, that there were two gunmen. In other words, the Dallas police tapes that supposedly show that there were four shots fired at the President at such and such a spacing --- one from the grassy knoll --- is inaccurate. There are no tapes that reveal the shots that we know of.

So, that changes...

John Kelin: Everything! That changes everything!

Dale Myers: Well --- yeah, pretty much. That changes your --- that changes not only the acoustics, but the trajectories that the House Select Committee did were based on the acoustics. So that throws all that out the window.

John Kelin: Right. They concluded that there was a conspiracy based on those tapes.

Dale Myers: Uh ... yeah. There was --- well, see, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence. But yeah, they were looking for some --- most of their report was based on hard evidence. So when they had this hard evidence of a tape showing two gunmen, then they were pretty confidant that they could write in their Report that there was more than two men, therefore a conspiracy. That is not to say that there was not a conspiracy simply because there's no tape. It simply means that there's no hard evidence that we thought we had that shows a conspiracy.

So, again, that changes the trajectory, and pretty much we're back at square one, where we were back in 1964. Or at least prior to 78, where there's really just no hard evidence that there was a man firing from the grassy knoll. Again, there's a tremendous amount of circumstantial evidence, and I still believe there was someone firing from the grassy knoll. But again, there's no hard evidence.

So it changes a lot of things.

John Kelin: I think, if only for convenience's sake, a lot of people are inclined to accept the Warren Commission's findings, in spite of the '78 report.

Dale Myers: Sure. That stands to reason. Because again, you know, most people have never read anything on this. The average guy doesn't do what I do. And that's not to say that I'm any better than anyone else. It's just to say that I think I have a responsibility, if I'm going to do this, that I need to disseminate the information. And the more I find out, the more important I think it is to just disseminate the information.

You know, some people will sit through this lecture, and they'll still walk away convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald was, regardless of what they hear, that he was the gunman. And that's fine. But at least I've done my job. I've said, "Now, okay, here are the facts. You can make up your mind." And pretty much that's how I approach the lecture.

John Kelin: What do you think Oswald was doing at the time the shots were fired?

Dale Myers: Well, I think that he ---

John Kelin: This is just your opinion, I know...

Dale Myers: Exactly. Because there were no witnesses to what he was doing, which obviously makes it extremely suspicious. But just as there are no witnesses that give him an alibi, there are also no witnesses that can put him in the window with the gun in his hand. You know, in 1963, Police Chief Jesse Curry said, "This case is cinched. This is the man who killed the President." Three years later, he told reporters, "We never had any evidence that Oswald was the man in the window." He says, "We don't have any witnesses that can put him in that window with the gun in his hands."

I think the evidence indicates --- and there are a lot of eyewitnesses who saw him immediately before the shots --- that he was probably on one of the lower floors [of the Texas School Book Depository building] having lunch.

John Kelin: Wasn't he seen on the lower floors just a minute or so after the shots were fired, by a cop and the building foreman?

Dale Myers: Exactly. That's an extremely --- well, that really is pretty much the alibi. If you're looking for an alibi that Oswald would have had, that would have been his alibi. And I will go into that in depth in the lecture.

In fact, I've got photographic evidence --- because I like to use hard evidence in my lectures as well --- I've got photographic evidence that indicates that not only is --- well, it's extremely unlikely that Oswald could have been the gunman, based upon that. There are some photographs that were taken that indicate the gunman lingered in the window ... it deals with the boxes in the window.

John Kelin: They were moved?

Dale Myers: Yeah. The boxes were --- well there were always indications that the boxes would have to have been re-stacked ... there are photographs that were taken from the outside of the building minutes after the shots, that show a before and after. Immediately after the shots, three seconds after the shots, you see the boxes arranged one way. And there's a picture taken about a minute later which show the boxes in the window re-arranged. So that means the gunman lingered long enough in the window, and there's photographic proof, to re-arrange the boxes. And any time delay raises an extreme question of reasonable doubt of whether or not Oswald would have had time to get down to the second floor lunchroom.

And we're not even talking about a lot of other factors, that we'll go into [in the lecture].

John Kelin: Your area of expertise is J.D. Tippit's murder?

Dale Myers: Exactly.

John Kelin: How does that figure in?

Dale Myers: Well that's the amazing thing. Because, you know, that's one of the most under-researched, the little-talked about --- you know, Mark Lane, it was a chapter in his book. Most other writers --- Summers, it was a half a page, you know --- well, they're trying to encompass the whole assassination, and it's really all they could devote. But really, you could write a book on just the murder of J.D. Tippit. And it's extremely important.

And I think the best person to quote on that would be one of the Warren Commission staffers himself, David Belin, who of course was one of the prime motivators, a prosecutor so to speak, proponent, of the lone gunman theory, and the fact that Oswald was alone in this whole thing.

And he said about the Tippit murder, that "The murder of Dallas patrolman J.D. Tippit is the Rosetta Stone of the assassination of President Kennedy." It's the Rosetta Stone of the case against Lee Harvey Oswald. In other words, if Lee Harvey Oswald killed J.D. Tippit, in other words if we can prove that, then it stands to reason, and extremely logical, and I would follow his logic, that he also killed President Kennedy. Because we show a capacity for violence. And not only violence in his lifetime, but forty-five minutes after President Kennedy is shot. Okay?

But also, let's look at it the other way. If we can prove, or show, that Oswald did not kill J.D. Tippit, then we raise the question of whether or not he murdered President Kennedy. Because we remove the capacity for violence that David Belin used to help the Warren Commission paint the picture of a lone gunman, you know, on Lee Harvey Oswald.

I think I will be able to show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Oswald was not the killer of J.D. Tippit. That Tippit's murder was connected to the assassination of the President. And that the reason Oswald was arrested was because the FBI had advance knowledge of his activities.

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Hi, can anyone help me out with which is the best book to read on the Tippit murder and is there a web site anyone devoted only to that subject : :

Joanne, hi. The best book to read on the Tippit murder is "With Malice" by Dale Myers. The book draws the conclusion that Oswald murdered Tippit, which you may disagree with. Whatever your personal conclusion is on that score, Myers provides many photographs and much contextual detail that will enrich your understanding of the Tippit murder case.

Best wishes,

Royce Bierma

Roy, While Myers book has a lot of detail, it lacks some significant lines of inquiry that when followed bear much fruit.

I also recently read John Kelin's "Interview" with Dale at John's Fair Play site.

I'm sure CBS wouldn't have paid him thousands of dollars to say this.

FROM FAIR PLAY -

"I Don't Think Oswald Pulled the Trigger"

An Interview with Dale Myers

On-the-record statements, circa November 1982

by John Kelin

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Note: This transcript is from an interview with Dale Myers conducted in 1982. At that time I was working as a reporter for WEMU-FM in Ypsilanti, Michigan, a public radio station on the campus of Eastern Michigan University. Myers was on campus to lecture on the assassination of JFK, and I covered it for the station. We spoke a day or two before the lecture, and an edited version of that interview was broadcast on November 18, 1982.

Myers was, as the following makes plain, selling conspiracy.

* * *

John Kelin: It's been close to twenty years since the assassination. Why should people still be concerned about this, at this late date?

Dale Myers: Oh, well, because the act of the assassination was simply --- that's the thing that opened the window, so to speak. The public got a glimpse of an intelligence covert operation. You know, prior to 1963 we were pretty much in a cocoon, so to speak, as far as how government operates. Since then, of course, we've had Watergate, and all the other atrocities of government.

And so, I guess what people don't realize is that the assassination has a direct bearing on what is happening today. And we've all heard the cliché that history repeats itself. And I guess it's because people never read history. And so I think it's important that we understand what happened simply for historical context --- not that anybody is going to be prosecuted, or that anybody is ever going to prove, you know, that this guy did this --- or whatever.

John Kelin: What do you hope to accomplish with this lecture?

Dale Myers: Okay. I was prepared for this question! [laughs]

The point is not to prove that this person had his finger on the trigger, or that these people were involved --- although certainly we'll cover that area. The point, really, is seeing how certain agencies, or certain government agencies, reacted. This was an extremely tense situation. And there was a tremendous covert operation that was tied directly to the assassination. Not that they were involved, but there's a direct link between a covert operation that was going on at this particular time. And there were a lot of agencies involved. Military intelligence, the FBI, the Central Intelligence Agency. And how they reacted --- and of course the coverup came from that --- but how they reacted during this particular situation, with all the pressures they were under, public and otherwise, is important today. If something similar --- not to say a shooting or an assassination --- but a similar situation, where there's an immense amount of public pressure, a tense situation where, you know, whether it be covert or not --- but where there's pressure on the agencies --- then we have an inkling, or we have an idea, of how they're going to react.

John Kelin: What do you think about Lee Harvey Oswald? Could he have done it by himself?

Dale Myers: Oh, certainly: anybody could have done it by themselves. First off, I don't think Lee Harvey Oswald pulled the trigger.

John Kelin: The trigger, or a trigger?

Dale Myers: Okay ... a trigger.

John Kelin: I mean --- you know, if there were two gunmen, could he have been one of them?

Dale Myers: Exactly. Okay. Well the gun that was fired from the Texas School Book Depository was the gun that fired all the shots that hit any victims. And including the fatal shot. But I don't think he was the finger that was behind that trigger. Although there's no doubt that it was his rifle. And to say that he did not pull the trigger does not mean that he was not involved in some way; he obviously was involved. But as far as saying that he was guilty ... I find that extremely hard to believe. And I think I'll show enough evidence to indicate, or that I think I could circumstantially beyond a reasonable doubt, so to speak, prove to anybody else, that he was not the man behind the trigger.

You know, that's one thing about this that's good for myself as far as --- it doesn't get monotonous. In other words, it's not a ritual where every year I get out and I go through the same tired old facts, and re-hash the same things the Warren Commission did back in 1964.

John Kelin: What's new in the investigation?

Dale Myers: I think the primary thing is the National Academy of Sciences, which came out with the report that refutes, and I would say conclusively, along with them, the acoustics, or ballistics, report that the House Select Committee based their decision that there were two gunmen firing at President Kennedy in 1978 --- the Report came out early this year.

John Kelin: Mm-hmm.

Dale Myers: And they did their investigation last year. It refutes conclusively, as I say, that there were two gunmen. In other words, the Dallas police tapes that supposedly show that there were four shots fired at the President at such and such a spacing --- one from the grassy knoll --- is inaccurate. There are no tapes that reveal the shots that we know of.

So, that changes...

John Kelin: Everything! That changes everything!

Dale Myers: Well --- yeah, pretty much. That changes your --- that changes not only the acoustics, but the trajectories that the House Select Committee did were based on the acoustics. So that throws all that out the window.

John Kelin: Right. They concluded that there was a conspiracy based on those tapes.

Dale Myers: Uh ... yeah. There was --- well, see, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence. But yeah, they were looking for some --- most of their report was based on hard evidence. So when they had this hard evidence of a tape showing two gunmen, then they were pretty confidant that they could write in their Report that there was more than two men, therefore a conspiracy. That is not to say that there was not a conspiracy simply because there's no tape. It simply means that there's no hard evidence that we thought we had that shows a conspiracy.

So, again, that changes the trajectory, and pretty much we're back at square one, where we were back in 1964. Or at least prior to 78, where there's really just no hard evidence that there was a man firing from the grassy knoll. Again, there's a tremendous amount of circumstantial evidence, and I still believe there was someone firing from the grassy knoll. But again, there's no hard evidence.

So it changes a lot of things.

John Kelin: I think, if only for convenience's sake, a lot of people are inclined to accept the Warren Commission's findings, in spite of the '78 report.

Dale Myers: Sure. That stands to reason. Because again, you know, most people have never read anything on this. The average guy doesn't do what I do. And that's not to say that I'm any better than anyone else. It's just to say that I think I have a responsibility, if I'm going to do this, that I need to disseminate the information. And the more I find out, the more important I think it is to just disseminate the information.

You know, some people will sit through this lecture, and they'll still walk away convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald was, regardless of what they hear, that he was the gunman. And that's fine. But at least I've done my job. I've said, "Now, okay, here are the facts. You can make up your mind." And pretty much that's how I approach the lecture.

John Kelin: What do you think Oswald was doing at the time the shots were fired?

Dale Myers: Well, I think that he ---

John Kelin: This is just your opinion, I know...

Dale Myers: Exactly. Because there were no witnesses to what he was doing, which obviously makes it extremely suspicious. But just as there are no witnesses that give him an alibi, there are also no witnesses that can put him in the window with the gun in his hand. You know, in 1963, Police Chief Jesse Curry said, "This case is cinched. This is the man who killed the President." Three years later, he told reporters, "We never had any evidence that Oswald was the man in the window." He says, "We don't have any witnesses that can put him in that window with the gun in his hands."

I think the evidence indicates --- and there are a lot of eyewitnesses who saw him immediately before the shots --- that he was probably on one of the lower floors [of the Texas School Book Depository building] having lunch.

John Kelin: Wasn't he seen on the lower floors just a minute or so after the shots were fired, by a cop and the building foreman?

Dale Myers: Exactly. That's an extremely --- well, that really is pretty much the alibi. If you're looking for an alibi that Oswald would have had, that would have been his alibi. And I will go into that in depth in the lecture.

In fact, I've got photographic evidence --- because I like to use hard evidence in my lectures as well --- I've got photographic evidence that indicates that not only is --- well, it's extremely unlikely that Oswald could have been the gunman, based upon that. There are some photographs that were taken that indicate the gunman lingered in the window ... it deals with the boxes in the window.

John Kelin: They were moved?

Dale Myers: Yeah. The boxes were --- well there were always indications that the boxes would have to have been re-stacked ... there are photographs that were taken from the outside of the building minutes after the shots, that show a before and after. Immediately after the shots, three seconds after the shots, you see the boxes arranged one way. And there's a picture taken about a minute later which show the boxes in the window re-arranged. So that means the gunman lingered long enough in the window, and there's photographic proof, to re-arrange the boxes. And any time delay raises an extreme question of reasonable doubt of whether or not Oswald would have had time to get down to the second floor lunchroom.

And we're not even talking about a lot of other factors, that we'll go into [in the lecture].

John Kelin: Your area of expertise is J.D. Tippit's murder?

Dale Myers: Exactly.

John Kelin: How does that figure in?

Dale Myers: Well that's the amazing thing. Because, you know, that's one of the most under-researched, the little-talked about --- you know, Mark Lane, it was a chapter in his book. Most other writers --- Summers, it was a half a page, you know --- well, they're trying to encompass the whole assassination, and it's really all they could devote. But really, you could write a book on just the murder of J.D. Tippit. And it's extremely important.

And I think the best person to quote on that would be one of the Warren Commission staffers himself, David Belin, who of course was one of the prime motivators, a prosecutor so to speak, proponent, of the lone gunman theory, and the fact that Oswald was alone in this whole thing.

And he said about the Tippit murder, that "The murder of Dallas patrolman J.D. Tippit is the Rosetta Stone of the assassination of President Kennedy." It's the Rosetta Stone of the case against Lee Harvey Oswald. In other words, if Lee Harvey Oswald killed J.D. Tippit, in other words if we can prove that, then it stands to reason, and extremely logical, and I would follow his logic, that he also killed President Kennedy. Because we show a capacity for violence. And not only violence in his lifetime, but forty-five minutes after President Kennedy is shot. Okay?

But also, let's look at it the other way. If we can prove, or show, that Oswald did not kill J.D. Tippit, then we raise the question of whether or not he murdered President Kennedy. Because we remove the capacity for violence that David Belin used to help the Warren Commission paint the picture of a lone gunman, you know, on Lee Harvey Oswald.

I think I will be able to show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Oswald was not the killer of J.D. Tippit. That Tippit's murder was connected to the assassination of the President. And that the reason Oswald was arrested was because the FBI had advance knowledge of his activities.

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I have the same perception of Dale Myers that I do of the schmuck who wrote Paine's package of B.S.

Let me expound as to why.

You might want to get ahold of Harrison Livingstone or at least his new tome [How the Right Wing...] I have not read it, but I heard through a very reliable source that the book contains info about another part-time job J.D. was working and it wasn't as Austin BBQ! This part time job involved a Cuban club in Dallas, which allegedly had some 'working girls' there.

Ostensibly, Tippit was learning Spanish or was about to, this is word of mouth

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