Will Barack Obama be Assassinated?

[J. Raymond Carroll]

According to Snopes it had its origin in a satirical essay from a blog that describes itself as “semi-news”. Of course if either were true that would mean Jack was quoting a baseless Internet rumor, something hard to believe!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

"IT"S NOT TRUE BUT I BELiEVE IT ANYWAY" signed Jack White

[Michael Hogan]

The problem is you frequently resort to Hoganobabble, making vauge (sic) statements that imply things but don’t say them out right or using expressions in unorthodox ways such as conflating ‘excerpting’ with ‘quoting out of context’. Similarly saying a person has ‘blown something out proportion’ acknowledges what they are saying is correct but they have place undue importance on it. If you use phrases improperly you can’t blame others for misunderstanding you.

So do be a good chap and see if you can find an example of someone using the phrase ‘blow out of proportion’ to refer to something they believed to be untrue.

No citation eh? I’ll make a deal/wager with you –

If I can cite a case where...

• I quoted your exact words shortly after you made them,
  
• you accused me of misquoting you,
  
• I provided a link to the post where your quote came from and
  
• I recently bumped the thread where the above happened
  

...you quit the forum. If I can’t I quit. We can put money on this as well if you wish. We should make it enforceable by the moderators. Please accept and wager a large amount of money on this.

The rules here are an objective standard, 'distasteful’ is a subjective one. Years back the couple sitting in the booth behind me (in a restaurant) thought it was ‘distasteful’ that I had a black girlfriend; I found their racist comments distasteful. The point I was making is that you operate by a double standard, behavior common on this forum only seems to warrant your approbation when I do it. Your objections are also hypocritical because you’ve “indicated more than once” you thought I was being dishonest. I don’t find such accusations distasteful IF the person making them can back it up.

Merely saying I’m wrong doesn’t cut it. You seem to be at a loss as to say how.

As above you merely stated I "blew it out of proportion" and distorted the facts, about the same as stating "I'm right your wrong, nah! nah!"

I am also sorry that members of the forum stop posting because of the presence of people like Len Colby and Tim Gratz. However, I will not ban them from this forum because I will not resort to the methods of right and left-wing dictatorships.

[Len Colby]

The problem is you frequently resort to Hoganobabble, making vauge (sic) statements that imply things but don’t say them out right or using expressions in unorthodox ways such as conflating ‘excerpting’ with ‘quoting out of context’. Similarly saying a person has ‘blown something out proportion’ acknowledges what they are saying is correct but they have place undue importance on it. If you use phrases improperly you can’t blame others for misunderstanding you.

So do be a good chap and see if you can find an example of someone using the phrase ‘blow out of proportion’ to refer to something they believed to be untrue.

No citation eh? I’ll make a deal/wager with you –

If I can cite a case where...

• I quoted your exact words shortly after you made them,
  
• you accused me of misquoting you,
  
• I provided a link to the post where your quote came from and
  
• I recently bumped the thread where the above happened
  

...you quit the forum. If I can’t I quit. We can put money on this as well if you wish. We should make it enforceable by the moderators. Please accept and wager a large amount of money on this.

The rules here are an objective standard, 'distasteful’ is a subjective one. Years back the couple sitting in the booth behind me (in a restaurant) thought it was ‘distasteful’ that I had a black girlfriend; I found their racist comments distasteful. The point I was making is that you operate by a double standard, behavior common on this forum only seems to warrant your approbation when I do it. Your objections are also hypocritical because you’ve “indicated more than once” you thought I was being dishonest. I don’t find such accusations distasteful IF the person making them can back it up.

Merely saying I’m wrong doesn’t cut it. You seem to be at a loss as to say how.

As above you merely stated I "blew it out of proportion" and distorted the facts, about the same as stating "I'm right your wrong, nah! nah!"

I am also sorry that members of the forum stop posting because of the presence of people like Len Colby and Tim Gratz. However, I will not ban them from this forum because I will not resort to the methods of right and left-wing dictatorships.

What exactly was the point you were trying to make? Are you perhaps trying to imply that the statements of mine would cause you (or others) to stop posting here? They were of course not made "in a vacuum" but rather in response to your posts. You have admitted in the past to targeting me and you have leveled false accusations against me. Someone engaging in such behavior doesn’t have much room to complain about the replies they get.

[John Simkin]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/3639...ckonline22.html

CARY CLACK

I was a student at the University of Houston on March 31, 1980, when, upon hearing the breaking news, rushed out to tell one of my suitemates that President Ronald Reagan had been shot.

His eyes widened, his face broke into a huge smile, and he said, "Really! That's great!"

Stunned at his response, I shook my head and walked away. I didn't vote for Reagan and disagreed with his politics, but I didn't want any harm to befall the man. I would never be able to look at my friend the same way.

There's a difference between rejoicing over an assassination attempt of the democratically elected president of your country, a fellow citizen, and making an ill-conceived attempt at a joke about an assassination attempt of a presidential candidate.

But both are beyond taste and boundaries.

Former Arkansas Gov. and presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee leapt over these boundaries last week while speaking to the National Rifle Association's convention in Louisville, Ky.

When a loud noise was heard, Huckabee stopped and looked to his left before "joking": "That was Barack Obama. He just tripped off a chair. He's getting ready to speak and somebody aimed a gun at him and he dove for the floor."

A tasteless joke can still be funny. This one wasn't. (Realistically, unless you're Superman or packing heat yourself, diving to the floor may be the only option you have left when someone aims a gun at you.) If Huckabee didn't realize his mistake immediately, the nervous laughter of a few members in the audience probably brought it home to him.

The words, actions, lives, sins, mistakes and appearances of politicians, especially those who run for president, are fair comedy fodder. The possibility that they may be assassinated isn't.

It's especially sensitive when talking about a man who may be the first black to run for president on one of the two major political parties' presidential tickets.

This isn't about politics or whether one supports Obama or even likes him. It's the reality of this historic moment. There's a reason why he has had Secret Service protection since last May, the earliest it's ever been given a presidential candidate.

Within the African American community, fears about threats on Obama's life existed before he officially began his presidential campaign. It's a fear especially widespread among older African Americans -- so much so that many didn't want him to run. Some, even though thinking he'd make a good president, preferred not voting for him to exposing him to greater risks.

Yet the talk, fears and speculation about threats to Obama aren't just a black thing. In February, the British Nobel Prize-winning writer Doris Lessing bluntly predicted, "He would probably not last long, a black man in the position of president. They would kill him." She didn't specify who "they" are.

Google Obama's name and any derivative of "assassinate" and see what comes up.

During the presidential campaign, Huckabee emerged as one of the most engaging personalities, with his decency and sense of humor. It's also worth noting that at the height of the controversy involving Obama and his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, Huckabee, while sitting next to John McCain on the presumptive nominee's campaign bus, defended both Obama and Wright.

His NRA misfire didn't spring from a heart of malice but from a brain that was asleep, and he later issued an apology.

The United States is more fortunate than other countries in the ratio with which ballots instead of bullets change our political fortune.

But in the past 45 years, the names of Medgar Evers, John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr., Robert Kennedy, George Wallace, Ronald Reagan -- and even less controversial figures such as Gerald Ford and Vernon Jordan -- remind us of the darker impulses of some among us.

Those impulses aren't to be laughed at.

[William Kelly]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080523/ts_al...wBlJVdkeLHZa7gF

[William Kelly]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080523/ts_al...wBlJVdkeLHZa7gF

Of course Hillary is right in that she must take her campaign to the convention, and the convention isn't until late August.

A lot can happen between now and then.

Who knows what time will bring?

If she conseeds to Obama now, she loses all the cards she has accumulated to advance her interests and policies. If Obama doesn't win on the first ballot, who knows where it will go?

Bk

Additional Links:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7418142.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/23/cli...ref=mpstoryview

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/20...ons-contex.html

Edited May 24, 2008 by William Kelly

[Dawn Meredith]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080523/ts_al...wBlJVdkeLHZa7gF

Of course Hillary is right in that she must take her campaign to the convention, and the convention isn't until late August.

A lot can happen between now and then.

Who knows what time will bring?

If she conseeds to Obama now, she loses all the cards she has accumulated to advance her interests and policies. If Obama doesn't win on the first ballot, who knows where it will go?

Bk

Additional Links:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7418142.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/23/cli...ref=mpstoryview

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/20...ons-contex.html

After Hillary's beyond insensitive remarks yesterday about the assassination of RFK, (a veiled threat to Obama?) , and this the second time she referred to RFK's assassination during this campaign, she must shut up and go away. Pray she can retain her Senate seat. Her utter lack of shame is revealing of her lack of character, imho.

Dawn

[Michael Hogan]

For a peek at the sickness in American society and more so on its TV, may I cite:

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/0...sassination.htm

[This is DIRECTLY related to this thread!]

Call me paranoid but she even conflates Osama and Obama.

Who is writing the script for Faux News?

Others have had similar problems:

John Ashcroft:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm7DrMGLGpY...feature=related

Ted Kennedy:

CNN:

Obama takes it in good humour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Q-GixnIFM...feature=related

[Len Colby]

For a peek at the sickness in American society and more so on its TV, may I cite:

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/0...sassination.htm

[This is DIRECTLY related to this thread!]

Though it was in appallingly poor taste it was obviously a joke.

[Len Colby]

For a peek at the sickness in American society and more so on its TV, may I cite:

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/0...sassination.htm

[This is DIRECTLY related to this thread!]

Call me paranoid but she even conflates Osama and Obama.

Who is writing the script for Faux News?

Others have had similar problems:

John Ashcroft:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm7DrMGLGpY...feature=related

Ted Kennedy:

CNN:

Obama takes it in good humour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Q-GixnIFM...feature=related

Wow Kennedy even called him Osama bin Laden

[William Kelly]

Hey, as far as history indicates, June is open hunting season on politicians, right?

I also think that the nomionation isn't wrapped up until the convention when they actually vote for a candidate, and anything can happend between now and then, including an act of God.

BK

Edited May 29, 2008 by William Kelly

[John Simkin]

Interesting article by Ian Mosley in the Israel News today:

http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=2216

Ever since the Middle Ages, there has always been one act which has been strictly prohibited. It is forbidden to speak of the death of the King.

British Communist and Nobel Laureate Doris Lessing is 88 years old, and has either decided she’s old enough to disregard the taboo, or else she’s gone senile and has forgotten this taboo exists. Lessing told an interviewer for a Swedish newspaper that ‘If Barack Obama becomes the next US president he will surely be assassinated.’ Obama, who is vying to become the first black president in US history, ‘would certainly not last long, a black man in the position of president. They would murder him,’ Lessing, 88, told the Dagens Nyheter daily.”

The article goes on: “Lessing, who won the 2007 Nobel Literature Prize, said it might be better if Obama’s Democratic rival Hillary Clinton were to succeed in her bid to become the first woman president of the United States. ‘The best thing would be if they (Clinton and Obama) were to run together. Hillary is a very sharp lady. It might be calmer if she were to win, and not Obama,’ she said.”

Ms. Lessing is delusional if she thinks Obama will be assassinated by the Klan.

The US Government stamped out any organized illegal activity by the Klan and similar organizations decades ago. The Feds have gone on to persecute and harass LEGAL pro-White organizations to this day. Lessing is completely wrong about a threat from any racialist organization, but there may be other threats out there much more real.

Most assassinations in recent history have been done by rogue elements in our government or the MOSSAD. One little known fact is that JFK had opposed Israel’s secret nuclear weapons program while his successor Lyndon Johnson turned a blind eye to it (and even refused to allow US carrier aircraft to shoot down Israeli fighters attacking the USS Liberty).

The patsy for the JFK assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald, refused to go down quietly. Oswald was loudly protesting that he was a patsy during his two days in jail. Oswald was himself assassinated two days after JFK by Jack Ruby (formerly Jacob Rubenstein). The assassination of Bobby Kennedy by Sirhan Sirhan appeared to be an early mind-control assassination, meant to create hostility between the US and Palestinians.

Arlen Spector (now a quasi-Republican Senator) invented the “single-bullet theory” to help cover up the JFK assassination. Lyndon Johnson appointed Gerald Ford to head the investigation even though Johnson considered Ford a bungling incompetent. Ford was later the target of two assassination attempts after he was appointed president with vice president Nelson Rockefeller.

Established governments almost never in the past used assassination as a tool until the rise of mind-control assassination techniques. Even then, assassination appeared to be largely a tool by rogue elements of the CIA to eliminate political undesirables within the US. Only the Israelis appear inclined to assassinate foreign politicians since they are immune from criticism in the Western press, and the MOSSAD has been largely successful at blaming certain terrorist events and assassinations on the Muslims.

The Bush and Clinton crime families seem to have their own private assassins working for them. The Clintons left a body trail from Arkansas to Washington, DC. A remarkable number of finance managers for the Clintons died mysteriously –burying any evidence of illegal mob money or foreign donors. Vince Foster famously wound up dead in a park while Clinton operatives ransacked his office. Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, who threatened to go public about Clinton criminal activities, conveniently died as Air Force Two flew into a mountain in Croatia.

George H.W. Bush was vice president for Ronald Reagan, who was shot only two months after becoming president. The shooter, John Hinckley was the son of a major contributor to the Bush campaign. John Hinckley’s brother, Scott was going to have dinner with Bush’s son, Neil, the day of the shooting. George H.W. Bush had earlier been head of the CIA, which was rumored to be experimenting with mind-control assassinations. Perhaps, the younger Hinckley brother was seen as a weak-minded individual, who could be molded into such an assassin.

In the case of George W. Bush, a highly inconvenient woman, Margie Schoedinger, who dated Bush back in Texas, complained in 2002 that she had been kidnapped, drugged and raped. The police actually confirmed that Bush had dated Schoedinger years earlier, but this story never gained national attention. Margie Schoedinger was a Black woman, and Bush’s reputation as a normal, acceptable sort of guy would have been badly shaken if his predilection for dating Black women had become public. Schoedinger actually filed a lawsuit against George Bush claiming that he was behind the drugging and kidnapping. Margie Schoedinger was found dead shortly afterwards in 2003, and no one in the mainstream media has bothered to focus any attention on this death.

And what lies ahead for Barack Hussein Obama? There is widespread suspicion that he will be assassinated during the primary much like Robert Kennedy, clearing the way for Hillary. The assassination of a political candidate is much more forgettable than someone, who goes on to become president. If the Israelis carried out the mind-control assassination of Bobby Kennedy in 1968, then they may be brainwashing another Palestinian (or Saudi or Egyptian) even now. It would be very hard to imagine the Israelis tolerating an American president with the middle name “Hussein.” One key benefit for the Israelis is the fact that most Americans would suspect that Hillary was behind the assassination and not them.

It’s highly possible a significant number of Americans would vote against Hillary if an assassination took place since many would suspect she had a role in it. This could produce a victory for the otherwise unelectable John McCain. The Israelis don’t care if Hillary or McCain becomes president. Both are equally pro-Israel.

If Hillary is ordering the assassination, she will pull it off until it becomes necessary. If she can defeat Obama in the primary, then there’s no point in assassinating him. Hillary may resort to massive vote-stealing to win as she apparently did in New Hampshire.

In view of the high body count associated in the past with people who got in the way of Bill and Hillary Clinton, if I were Obama, I’d be ordering a set of Kevlar underwear.

[Len Colby]

Interesting article by Ian Mosley in the Israel News today:

http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=2216

Ian Mosley, the author of this piece is a columnist for White Civil Rights an openly anti-Jewish and anti-Black website run by David Duke where it originally appeared. Odd than an Israeli site would see fit to “reprint” some of his columns, it’s not like they can’t easily be found elsewhere.

[Ron Ecker]

In looking at other article titles in Israel News, I got the distinct impression that it's an anti-Israel website. But I guess they couldn't call it Anti-Israel News if they want to maintain any subtlety.

[Paul Rigby]

Ian Mosley, the author of this piece is a columnist for White Civil Rights an openly anti-Jewish and anti-Black website run by David Duke where it originally appeared. Odd than an Israeli site would see fit to “reprint” some of his columns, it’s not like they can’t easily be found elsewhere.

Not really, Len, surely: Israel's murderous policies require an historical fig-leaf, and what better than an anti-semitic one. It would be fascinating to know just how many Nazis and prominent anti-semites are on the Mossad books.

But surely the great new threat is from disgruntled Red Army vets miffed at the latest piece of presidential contender "mis-speaking"/historical revisionism. According to Obama, the US army liberated Auschwitz. If he doesn't win the presidency, there's always Hollywood.

Paul