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Just thought that I would throw this back again for those who may have missed it.

The top photo is of course the back entry wound of JFK.

Dr. Boswell has reported this wound as being "atypical", and the wound was reported as 4mm X 7mm in size with relatively clean cut edges.

Cross-sectioning of the wound, of which microscopic slides were prepared, demonstrated considerable cloth/fiber had been carried down into the entry location.

The Center Photo is a normal (flat-on) wound of entry for a 6.5mm Carcano Bullet.

The Bottom Photo is a wound of entry which was made with a "Wadcutter"/aka Carcano bullet which had been modified to have a completely flat nose.

A normal wound of entry seldom will present a wound which has relatively clean cut edges, just as the bullet will not carry fibers from clothing down into the entry. This is of course due to the "rounded" nose which although it punches it's entry hole, it also has a tendency to push aside and tear either fabric and/or skin.

Those who have "shot targets" at the local fair with a .22 rifle should be aware of this, as one must always "shoot out" all traces of the star/circle/whatever.

And even though from appearance one may think that it is all gone, when the booth owner pushes the paper back into place, there is usually some semblance of the remaining target.---Thus, you lose.

This is also why "Wadcutter" bullet were made, as not unlike the "Wadcutter Bee/Wasp", they "PUNCH" out a perfect circle in which the shooter has no difficulty in seeing exactly where he struck the target.

Therefore, any "4mm X 7mm" wound of entry which has "relatively clean cut edges", was absolutely caused by a missile/projectile in which the striking end not only had a flat surface, but also measured 4mm X 7mm in size.

Lastly, due to the downward angle of fire, a normal bullet entry would have the entrance wound slightly elongaed VERTICALLY.

This is what causes the Abrasion Collar at the top of the wound for such an entry and creates the slightly elongated vertically nature of the entry point.

However!

The entry wound into the back of JFK is elongated HORIZONTALLY, and this wound is basically symetrical on each size, thus demonstrating that whatever created this entry was also deformed in a symetrical manner.

And last, the HSCA determined that the wound of entry demonstrated an Abrasion Collar at the bottom side of the wound of entry. A complete contradiction to all known (or normal) ballistics.

Such an anomaly, (for a normal entry bullet) would mean that the bullet was fired from a position behind and lower than JFK.

Which would mean that there must have been a midget in the trunk of the Presidential Limo, or else the end-over-end rotational aspect of CE399 struck JFK in the back with the base of the bullet at a slightly upward angle of attitude.

Take your choice: Midget in trunk, or end over end roatation of CE399 as it struck!

Everyone who voted for "Midget in Trunk", please raise their hand.

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Just thought that I would throw this back again for those who may have missed it.

The top photo is of course the back entry wound of JFK.

Dr. Boswell has reported this wound as being "atypical", and the wound was reported as 4mm X 7mm in size with relatively clean cut edges.

Cross-sectioning of the wound, of which microscopic slides were prepared, demonstrated considerable cloth/fiber had been carried down into the entry location.

The Center Photo is a normal (flat-on) wound of entry for a 6.5mm Carcano Bullet.

The Bottom Photo is a wound of entry which was made with a "Wadcutter"/aka Carcano bullet which had been modified to have a completely flat nose.

A normal wound of entry seldom will present a wound which has relatively clean cut edges, just as the bullet will not carry fibers from clothing down into the entry. This is of course due to the "rounded" nose which although it punches it's entry hole, it also has a tendency to push aside and tear either fabric and/or skin.

Those who have "shot targets" at the local fair with a .22 rifle should be aware of this, as one must always "shoot out" all traces of the star/circle/whatever.

And even though from appearance one may think that it is all gone, when the booth owner pushes the paper back into place, there is usually some semblance of the remaining target.---Thus, you lose.

This is also why "Wadcutter" bullet were made, as not unlike the "Wadcutter Bee/Wasp", they "PUNCH" out a perfect circle in which the shooter has no difficulty in seeing exactly where he struck the target.

Therefore, any "4mm X 7mm" wound of entry which has "relatively clean cut edges", was absolutely caused by a missile/projectile in which the striking end not only had a flat surface, but also measured 4mm X 7mm in size.

Lastly, due to the downward angle of fire, a normal bullet entry would have the entrance wound slightly elongaed VERTICALLY.

This is what causes the Abrasion Collar at the top of the wound for such an entry and creates the slightly elongated vertically nature of the entry point.

However!

The entry wound into the back of JFK is elongated HORIZONTALLY, and this wound is basically symetrical on each size, thus demonstrating that whatever created this entry was also deformed in a symetrical manner.

And last, the HSCA determined that the wound of entry demonstrated an Abrasion Collar at the bottom side of the wound of entry. A complete contradiction to all known (or normal) ballistics.

Such an anomaly, (for a normal entry bullet) would mean that the bullet was fired from a position behind and lower than JFK.

Which would mean that there must have been a midget in the trunk of the Presidential Limo, or else the end-over-end rotational aspect of CE399 struck JFK in the back with the base of the bullet at a slightly upward angle of attitude.

Take your choice: Midget in trunk, or end over end roatation of CE399 as it struck!

Everyone who voted for "Midget in Trunk", please raise their hand.

Sorry - editing this...

Use of a semi-wadcutter round would not fit here? You didn't mention why a wadcutter may be used from a tactical perspective, or that possibility? For a tumbling round to key-hole, shouldn't we be looking at a much different wound? Who used to pack a SWC as their first chambered round - always?

And what of the chain of evidence? The fact that the wife of the director of Parkland claimed that two bullets were found - one an unfired .38? The differences in the round reportedly originally found [pointed vs round]? The stretcher, which stretcher, CPR, the floor, etc? What of the missile removed from Kennedy's body? Even if it's a tumbling round that first struck a tree limb, how on earth would you then account for it being as intact as it allegedly was? If it tumbled on entry, wouldn't it still pick up fabrics and be impacted itself piercing skin and muscle? Is it not possible to get a DNA sample off that thing all these years later and determine whether or not the whole thing is bogus? Why not just cut the branches down because they were in the way and weakened a bs 'Oswald only' case?

Shoot Tom - give me the midget in the trunk before I'll believe anything less than DPD, FBI, the CIAfia, MI, SS / Johnson direct involvement, screwing-tattooing-blueing and interference. We know how the game is played.

- lee

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Just thought that I would throw this back again for those who may have missed it.

The top photo is of course the back entry wound of JFK.

Dr. Boswell has reported this wound as being "atypical", and the wound was reported as 4mm X 7mm in size with relatively clean cut edges.

Cross-sectioning of the wound, of which microscopic slides were prepared, demonstrated considerable cloth/fiber had been carried down into the entry location.

The Center Photo is a normal (flat-on) wound of entry for a 6.5mm Carcano Bullet.

The Bottom Photo is a wound of entry which was made with a "Wadcutter"/aka Carcano bullet which had been modified to have a completely flat nose.

A normal wound of entry seldom will present a wound which has relatively clean cut edges, just as the bullet will not carry fibers from clothing down into the entry. This is of course due to the "rounded" nose which although it punches it's entry hole, it also has a tendency to push aside and tear either fabric and/or skin.

Those who have "shot targets" at the local fair with a .22 rifle should be aware of this, as one must always "shoot out" all traces of the star/circle/whatever.

And even though from appearance one may think that it is all gone, when the booth owner pushes the paper back into place, there is usually some semblance of the remaining target.---Thus, you lose.

This is also why "Wadcutter" bullet were made, as not unlike the "Wadcutter Bee/Wasp", they "PUNCH" out a perfect circle in which the shooter has no difficulty in seeing exactly where he struck the target.

Therefore, any "4mm X 7mm" wound of entry which has "relatively clean cut edges", was absolutely caused by a missile/projectile in which the striking end not only had a flat surface, but also measured 4mm X 7mm in size.

Lastly, due to the downward angle of fire, a normal bullet entry would have the entrance wound slightly elongaed VERTICALLY.

This is what causes the Abrasion Collar at the top of the wound for such an entry and creates the slightly elongated vertically nature of the entry point.

However!

The entry wound into the back of JFK is elongated HORIZONTALLY, and this wound is basically symetrical on each size, thus demonstrating that whatever created this entry was also deformed in a symetrical manner.

And last, the HSCA determined that the wound of entry demonstrated an Abrasion Collar at the bottom side of the wound of entry. A complete contradiction to all known (or normal) ballistics.

Such an anomaly, (for a normal entry bullet) would mean that the bullet was fired from a position behind and lower than JFK.

Which would mean that there must have been a midget in the trunk of the Presidential Limo, or else the end-over-end rotational aspect of CE399 struck JFK in the back with the base of the bullet at a slightly upward angle of attitude.

Take your choice: Midget in trunk, or end over end roatation of CE399 as it struck!

Everyone who voted for "Midget in Trunk", please raise their hand.

Sorry - editing this...

Use of a semi-wadcutter round would not fit here? You didn't mention why a wadcutter may be used from a tactical perspective, or that possibility? For a tumbling round to key-hole, shouldn't we be looking at a much different wound? Who used to pack a SWC as their first chambered round - always?

And what of the chain of evidence? The fact that the wife of the director of Parkland claimed that two bullets were found - one an unfired .38? The differences in the round reportedly originally found [pointed vs round]? The stretcher, which stretcher, CPR, the floor, etc? What of the missile removed from Kennedy's body? Even if it's a tumbling round that first struck a tree limb, how on earth would you then account for it being as intact as it allegedly was? If it tumbled on entry, wouldn't it still pick up fabrics and be impacted itself piercing skin and muscle? Is it not possible to get a DNA sample off that thing all these years later and determine whether or not the whole thing is bogus? Why not just cut the branches down because they were in the way and weakened a bs 'Oswald only' case?

Shoot Tom - give me the midget in the trunk before I'll believe anything less than DPD, FBI, the CIAfia, MI, SS / Johnson direct involvement, screwing-tattooing-blueing and interference. We know how the game is played.

- lee

Use of a semi-wadcutter round would not fit here? You didn't mention why a wadcutter may be used from a tactical perspective, or that possibility? For a tumbling round to key-hole, shouldn't we be looking at a much different wound? Who used to pack a SWC as their first chambered round - always?

In the event that one expects to receive straight forward, simple answers to questions, then they should stick with the same type question.

The WC/aka Specter & Company were experts at asking compound and confusing questions.

Simple answers will answer most simple questions.

Ballisticallly, a "wadcutter" can not be relied upon for longer range accuracy, to any extent.

And, no one that I know of with any shooting experience would even consider a wadcutter round for such a feat.

Forensicallly and pathologically, a wadcutter round would have taken out the entire front throat of JFK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_ball...target_shooting

For short range target shooting on ranges up to 50 meters (55 yd) aerodynamics is relatively unimportant and velocities are low. As long as the bullet is balanced so it doesn't tumble, the aerodynamics are unimportant. For shooting at paper targets, the best bullet is one that will punch a perfect hole through the target. These bullets are called wadcutters, and they have a very flat front, often with a relatively sharp edge along the perimeter. The flat front punches out a large hole in the paper, close to if not equal to the full diameter of the bullet. This allows for easy, unambiguous scoring of the target. Since cutting the edge of a target ring will result in scoring the higher score, fractions of an inch are important. In magazine fed pistols, the square shape of a wadcutter will often not feed reliably

Flat point bullets

The simplest maximum disruption bullet is one with a wide, flat tip. This increases the effective surface area, as rounded bullets can allow tissues to "flow" around the edges. It also increases drag during flight, which decreases the depth to which the bullet penetrates. Flat point bullets, with fronts of up to 90% of the overall bullet diameter, are usually designed for use against large or dangerous game. They are often made of unusually hard alloys, are longer and heavier than normal for their caliber, and even include exotic materials such as tungsten to increase their sectional density. These bullets are designed to penetrate deeply through muscle and bone, while causing a wound channel of nearly the full diameter of the bullet. These bullets are designed to penetrate deeply enough to reach vital organs from any shooting angle. One of the common hunting applications of the flat point bullet is large game such as bear hunted with a handgun in a .44 Magnum or larger caliber. The disadvantage of flat point bullets is the reduction in aerodynamic performance; the flat point induces much drag, leading to significantly reduced velocities at long range.

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Once one has cut and removed sufficient mass from the bullet nose to get back to the point of a full 6.5mm diameter flat nose, they have destroyed the balance of the bullet and thus also destroyed it's stability in longer range flight.

And, although the now "jacketed" bullet nose is stronger than either a full "soft-point" and/or hollow point bullet, the lead core of the bullet will nevertheless flatten considerably upon impact due to the higher velocities of rifle ammuniton.

Lastly, since absolutely no known weapon can accurately fire a projectile which carries a 4mm X 7mm dimension, then it most certainly is not rocket science in determination that this deformity to the bullet occurred in flight, as well as which end of the bullet actually matches the 4mm X 7mm puncture wound with relatively clean-cut edges, which was found in JFK's back.

And what of the chain of evidence? The fact that the wife of the director of Parkland claimed that two bullets were found - one an unfired .38?

Well! Personally, I did not believe Oral Roberts wife when she also claimed that she had observed the Devil on his chest, claiming that he (the Devil) was coming to get Roberts if he did not get enough money to complete the "City of Faith Hospital".

Therefore, being quite dubious of even a "Minister's Wife", I really have not wasted too much time and effort in chasing down the hearsay statements of the wife of someone who was at Parkland Hospital.

And, I actually can not even believe that I wasted time in responding to such a question!

Why not just cut the branches down because they were in the way and weakened a bs 'Oswald only' case?

As I have stated repeatedly, and especially with a scope that is some two-inches higher than the rifle boresight center alignment, Line-of-Sight IS NOT Line-of-Flight"

Lastly!

In event that the forensic; ballistic; pathological; and physical facts exceed what you can put together, then please do not waste your and my time with attempts to get me to waste additional time and effort in refuting all of the BS; hearsay; half-truth; rumor; innuendo; etc; etc; etc; which has been and will continue to be generated on this subject.

1. LHO was an absolutely EXCELLENT SHOT when shooting from the stable firing position.

2. The Carcano Short Rifle is an EXCELLENT ACCURACY weapon, and equates in accuracy with the US Model M1-Garand.

3. The Shooter (whoever/most probably LHO) had some 5.8 to 5.9 seconds from the first shot to the second shot/aka the Z313 impact. (almost adequate time to light one up and take a drag, for any smokers).

4. The LAST SHOT fired/aka the Altgens Impact was the best/luckiest shot, as it was done in the "Snap Shot" mode, which clearly demonstrates that insufficient time elapsed to utilize the scope in target re-acquisition, and thusly it was an "open sight" shot.

5. In factual reality, the shooting was not that good!

#1 hit a tree limb due primarily to the inexperience of the shooter in utilization of a scope while shooting at short ranges.

(which is most probably why the same shooter hit the window frame of the Walker shooting)

#2, had it have been 1-inch higher, and or the Presidential Limo travelling at even 1mph slower, would have completely missed and gone over the head of JFK.

#3, aka the snap shot, actually struck in the lower base of the neck at the lower edge of the hairline, and as with Shot#2, had the shot been either approximately 1 to 2 inches higher, or the Presidential Limo been travelling 1 to 2 mph slower, then this shot also would have gone over JFK's head.

Did you ever question the "Logic" of exactly why anyone would attempt to "frame" someone who was reportedly a poor shot, shooting with a reportedly poor weapon, for some feat of shooting which was reportedly of some great skill?

All of this great planning on the part of all of these great conspirators, and yet they utilize someone who purportedly "can't shoot for S**T", as well as utilization of a rifle that can't hit anything.

Certainly sounds like one of those "OxyMoron" thoughts to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymoron

Oxymorons are a proper subset of the expressions called contradictions in terms.

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Sort of like utilization of "Military" & "Intelligence" in the same category such as "Military Intelligence", is it not?

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Just thought that I would throw this back again for those who may have missed it.

The top photo is of course the back entry wound of JFK.

Dr. Boswell has reported this wound as being "atypical", and the wound was reported as 4mm X 7mm in size with relatively clean cut edges.

Cross-sectioning of the wound, of which microscopic slides were prepared, demonstrated considerable cloth/fiber had been carried down into the entry location.

The Center Photo is a normal (flat-on) wound of entry for a 6.5mm Carcano Bullet.

The Bottom Photo is a wound of entry which was made with a "Wadcutter"/aka Carcano bullet which had been modified to have a completely flat nose.

A normal wound of entry seldom will present a wound which has relatively clean cut edges, just as the bullet will not carry fibers from clothing down into the entry. This is of course due to the "rounded" nose which although it punches it's entry hole, it also has a tendency to push aside and tear either fabric and/or skin.

Those who have "shot targets" at the local fair with a .22 rifle should be aware of this, as one must always "shoot out" all traces of the star/circle/whatever.

And even though from appearance one may think that it is all gone, when the booth owner pushes the paper back into place, there is usually some semblance of the remaining target.---Thus, you lose.

This is also why "Wadcutter" bullet were made, as not unlike the "Wadcutter Bee/Wasp", they "PUNCH" out a perfect circle in which the shooter has no difficulty in seeing exactly where he struck the target.

Therefore, any "4mm X 7mm" wound of entry which has "relatively clean cut edges", was absolutely caused by a missile/projectile in which the striking end not only had a flat surface, but also measured 4mm X 7mm in size.

Lastly, due to the downward angle of fire, a normal bullet entry would have the entrance wound slightly elongaed VERTICALLY.

This is what causes the Abrasion Collar at the top of the wound for such an entry and creates the slightly elongated vertically nature of the entry point.

However!

The entry wound into the back of JFK is elongated HORIZONTALLY, and this wound is basically symetrical on each size, thus demonstrating that whatever created this entry was also deformed in a symetrical manner.

And last, the HSCA determined that the wound of entry demonstrated an Abrasion Collar at the bottom side of the wound of entry. A complete contradiction to all known (or normal) ballistics.

Such an anomaly, (for a normal entry bullet) would mean that the bullet was fired from a position behind and lower than JFK.

Which would mean that there must have been a midget in the trunk of the Presidential Limo, or else the end-over-end rotational aspect of CE399 struck JFK in the back with the base of the bullet at a slightly upward angle of attitude.

Take your choice: Midget in trunk, or end over end roatation of CE399 as it struck!

Everyone who voted for "Midget in Trunk", please raise their hand.

The below "wadcutter" bullet (normal 6.5mm Carcano with rounded nose cut off, leaving flat-ended bullet), was utilized to "punch" out the bullet hole in the bottom photograph.

In this instance, one merely has to think "paper punch".

In the case of the top photo (JFK's back entry wound), one merely has to think "paper punch" deformed to 4mm X 7mm in dimension.---------The exact dimensions of the deformed base of CE399.

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Since the clothing (second bullet hole in coat) of JFK has been brought up, I will again take the time to re-iterate and repeat items of discussion which were long ago brought out, for the benefit of those who came into the movie late.

1. ALL testimony within the WC, as regards the forensic examination of clothing worn by JFK at the time of the assassination, is complete hearsay.

2. FBI Robert Frazier gave the great majority of this testimony, (not of his decision), and Frazier worked within the Firearms and Ballistics Section of the FBI, while the forensic examination of JFK's clothing was conducted by the Spectrographic Analysis Section of the FBI.

3. Absolutely none of the Evidence Examination Reports completed by the Spectrographic Analysis Section, for the examination of JFK's clothing, were admitted into evidence to support the hearsay testimony given in regards to this clothing examination.

4. The ONLY Agent (Henry Heiberger) known to have actually conducted the testing of the clothing worn by President Kennedy, was sent out of town during the WC.

Agent Heiberger was sent to Georgia to evaluate "Oswald was Here" found written in chalk on the inside of an abandoned RR Boxcar.

Thereafter, upon returning to DC, Heiberger was given the dubious task of determination of who manufactured the chalk in which "Oswald was Here" had been written.

"I don't know what the hell that was all about! That was the biggest waste of my time! I eventually determined who manufactured the chalk but it proved nothing as we all knew that Oswald was dead and buried".

FBI Agent Henry Heiberger to Tom Purvis----------------long ago!

An understanding of the manipulation of the facts of the examination of JFK's clothing is essential if one is to derive correct answers to the manipulations of JEH, Specter, & Company, in their lie to the American Public.

Just as it also necessary to understand how this "manipulated" evidence was presented during the WC.

Other than the critical importance of the SECOND BULLET HOLE in the back of the coat worn by JFK, the other most critical part of this evidence surrounds examination of the tie worn by JFK, as relayed personally to me by Henry Heiberger.

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Mr. SPECTER - Did you have occasion to examine the President's tie or the tie purportedly worn by the President on November 22, 1963?

Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; I did.

Mr. SPECTER - May the record show at this juncture that that tie has heretofore been marked as Commission Exhibit 395?

The CHAIRMAN - Yes; it may show that.

Mr. SPECTER - What did you note, if anything, with respect to the tie, Mr. Frazier?

Mr. FRAZIER - When the tie was examined by me in the laboratory I noted that the neck portion had been cut from one side of the knot. However, the knot remained in apparently its original condition. The only damage to the tie other than the fact that it had been cut, was a crease or nick in the left side of the tie when you consider the tie as being worn on a body. As you view the front of the tie it would be on the right side. This nick would be located in a corresponding area to the area in the shirt collar just below the button.

Mr. FRAZIER - The nick is elongated horizontally, indicating a possible horizontal direction but it does not indicate that the projectile which caused it was exiting or entering at that point. The fibers were not disturbed in a characteristic manner which would permit any conclusion in that connection.

Mr. FRAZIER - Yes. Any projectile could have caused the nick. In this connection there was no metallic residue found on the tie,

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NOT SO!----According to Henry Heiberger, who informed me that:

1. The tie had no "nick" with any fabric missing. There was an abraised area in which the fabric was torn, but there was no indication of any missing fabric.

2. The tie was X-rayed in a search for any metallic residue.

3. X-Ray Examination revealed metallic residue embedded in the disturbed fibers of the abraised area of the tie.

4. Henry Heiberger conducted no further testing of the tie as he was sent to Georgia to examine "Oswald was Here" found written on the inside of an abandoned RR Boxcar, and was thereafter tasked to determine who manufactured the chalk which had been utilized to write this. Thusly, he was unavailable for testimony before the WC.

5. There was no fabric missing from the tie when he (Heiberger) examined it, and any "nick" in which fabric was missing, must be where one of the other Agents of the Spectrographic Analysis Section removed that portions of the fabric which contained the metallic residue which he had found by X-ray, and completed the examination of this residue.

6. Evidence evaluation sheets were completed on each piece of evidence examined, for each specific test. Thus, not only were the sheets available, but the X-rays were also a part of the evaluation as well and anyone who had any questions could check this out.*

(of course, absolutely none of the evidence evaluation sheets as well as X-rays of the clothing were admitted into evidence during the WC "hearsay" statements which ultimately became known as the facts and truths in this matter)

7. Heiberger was aware that something was not quite right with the manner in which examination of the evidence was taking place and his shipment to Georgia and subsequent waste of time in determination of who made the chalk, but he knew better than to ask any questions or make any comments as no one wanted to incur the wrath of JEH.

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Not unlike most of my discussions with Henry Heiberger, as well as all other Agents from the Spectrographic Analysis Unit, as well as with FBI Agent Robert Frazier, notes on these conversations are written down in some daily dairy and/or field survey notebook, packed away somewhere. Therefore, the substance of and the exact quotes are from memory of these discussions.

However, being apparantly the only person who had knowledge of FBI evidence examination protocal and the absolute necessity for documentation of each and every step of this evidence examination, rest assured that for the most part, I managed to ask "the right questions of the right person".

P.S. That testimony given by FBI Agent Robert Frazier in regards to examination of the coat worn by JFK is also complete hearsay as well.

P.P.S. Anyone who has nothing better to do in life and wants to verify whether or not FBI Agent Henry Heiberger went/was sent to Georgia during the WC Hearings, could most probably find a "pay voucher" within the finance and financial records historical archives.

Or, possibly, Henry Heiberger's daughter may still have some of Henry's old financial records which would demonstrate the "travel pay" and/or any "expenses/per diem" monies which were paid to Henry during his little "Oswald was Here" escapade.

Paper trails are difficult to completely erase, and those Agents assigned to Atlanta, GA were also engaged in limited amounts of this as well.

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