Douglas Caddy Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 New evidence suggests second shooter killed RFK David Edwards and Nick Juliano Published: Wednesday March 26, 2008 www.rawstory.com http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Scientists_M...ation_0326.html Forty years after Democratic rising star Robert F. Kennedy was killed at a Los Angeles hotel during his presidential run, new evidence suggests the man serving a life sentence for his murder did not fire the shots that killed the charismatic senator. Forensic scientists met at a conference in Connecticut this week to discuss their independent findings that cast serious doubt on the Kennedy assassination. Sirhan Sirhan is serving a life sentence in Kennedy's death, but the conference presenters argue he could not have fired the fatal shot that killed Kennedy. One investigator, Dr. Robert Joling, has studied the Kennedy assassination for nearly four decades. He determined the fatal shot came from behind Kennedy, while Sirhan was four to six feet in front of the senator and never got close enough to shoot him from behind, an NBC affiliate reports. Analysis by another forensics engineer, Philip Van Praag, of a Canadian journalists tape recording, known as the Pruszynski recording, determined that 13 shots were fired while Kennedy was killed, although Sirhan's gun only held eight bullets, according to the NBC reporter. This suggests that a second shooter was involved in the assassination. Van Praag's analysis led him to conclude that a second gun that was fired matched a type owned by one of the security guards in Kennedy's entourage. "When that security guard was asked about owning that gun at first he admitted, 'Yes I owned that kind of gun but I got rid of it two months before the assassination.'" correspondent Amy Parmenter said on MSNBC Wednesday. "It turns out upon further investigation, in fact, he did not get rid of that gun until five months after the shooting. Of course, you can see where we're going with this. ... That security guard, was in fact behind Senator Kennedy when the fatal shot was fired." This video is from MSNBC News Live, broadcast March 26, 2008: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Scientists_M...ation_0326.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Gratz Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Early this afternoon this story was at the top of "Yahoo News" but now at least on Yahoo it is no where to be found!! It went from the top story to oblivion. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 (edited) Early this afternoon this story was at the top of "Yahoo News" but now at least on Yahoo it is no where to be found!! It went from the top story to oblivion.Interesting. _________________________________________ I don't know about Yahoo! but I just googled "Joling" and "Praag" and found that ABC News (online) is covering it, dateline March 27... It's the fourth one down the list right now... http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=4534689 FWIW, --Thomas _________________________________________ Edited March 28, 2008 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti Hynonen Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Even tough I am far from an expert, I'd like to throw this question in the air: Don't you find it rather unbelievable that in this case, the experts have to rely on audiotape to determine whether a victim has been shot by two guns and therefore by two assailants? (The use of audio material reminds me of the HSCA findings and the subsequent JFK -case acoustics test relating to the alleged open mirophone of a motorcycle officer.) What happened to ballistics, forensic autopsy etc.? Wouldn't the traditional and normal methods relating to a homicide investigation reveal such basic facts, as the use of more than one weapon, bullet caliber, as well as the assumed position of the assailant and victims? These should, then in turn, result in a straight forward case against the gunman (gunmen) that is, considering that there were also numerous eye witnesses to this case, not to mention cameras and as we now know audio tape. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Even tough I am far from an expert, I'd like to throw this question in the air:Don't you find it rather unbelievable that in this case, the experts have to rely on audiotape to determine whether a victim has been shot by two guns and therefore by two assailants? (The use of audio material reminds me of the HSCA findings and the subsequent JFK -case acoustics test relating to the alleged open mirophone of a motorcycle officer.) What happened to ballistics, forensic autopsy etc.? Wouldn't the traditional and normal methods relating to a homicide investigation reveal such basic facts, as the use of more than one weapon, bullet caliber, as well as the assumed position of the assailant and victims? These should, then in turn, result in a straight forward case against the gunman (gunmen) that is, considering that there were also numerous eye witnesses to this case, not to mention cameras and as we now know audio tape. No? http://www.anopenandshutcase.com/ The link above describes the contents of a new book written by Robert Joling and Phil Van Praag, two distinguished experts who believe there was a serious miscarriage of justice in the Los Angeles Police Department investigation of the Robert Kennedy assassination. Your attention is called especially to the synopsis that contains numerous new revelations. Mr. Joling appeared on the radio show coasttocoastam last night (March 27, 2008) and in clear, lucid language described what had occurred. After listening to him I am convinced that there were two shooters involved, not just Sirhan Sirhan. Mr. Joling also explained why the only tape recording of the incident has proved so critical in determining that 13 shots were fired. Sirhan only got off 8 shots. Some of the 13 shots in the recording are spaced so closely in time that it is clear more than one gun was firing. The link below leads to the coasttocoastam show. For a nominal fee one can listen on the Internet to a rebroadcast of the interview with Mr. Joling, which took place in the show’s first hour. http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2008/03/27.html#recap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Geraghty Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I posted the MSNBC video footage on the COPA blog, which you can find at http://www.politicalassassinations.com John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Lane Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Someone posted a comment to the RawStory.com "new evidence" story, that read: "nice to see this in the news. The facts are so obvious and the solution is so simple but the first step is a doozy." The truth is that it's the second step that's the doozy, for once someone takes and completes the first step, then the next one is to admit for all these years what we've "known" is bullspit. What of the government and the media who for decades have been telling us one thing, for certain, has been the truth only to find out that now it's not, really? It's the prospect of that second step that keeps the first one from ever happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane O'Sullivan Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 For anyone interested: I've just posted the new epilogue to my film RFK Must Die: The Assassination of Bobby Kennedy on my website at http://www.rfkmustdie.com This 7-minute update features an interview with audio expert Philip Van Praag, in which he explains the significance of the recently uncovered Pruszynski recording - the only known recording of the gunshots fired in the Ambassador Hotel pantry on June 5, 1968. Van Praag outlines three discoveries he made while analyzing the recording, concluding that 13 shots were fired that night and a second gunman fired the fatal shot that killed Robert Kennedy. Production of the epilogue was kindly supported by the Documentary Channel, who premiered it last Monday and have screened it four times this week after my film. You can find the Documentary Channel on Dish Network 197 and a further screening of both film and epilogue is scheduled for 6:00 PM (EST) on October 29th. The channel has posted a trailer for the epilogue here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SdWUWnIsCw My thanks to Philip Van Praag and co-author Robert Joling for sharing these important new discoveries. You can find more details on their work here: http://www.anopenandshutcase.com I hope the epilogue will further raise public and media awareness of the urgent need for this case to be reopened. Best, Shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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