Defend the Warren Commission Report findings? The 45 Questions....

[David G. Healy]

45 questions/16 smoking guns beg answers. Perhaps Vincent Bugliosi author of Reclaiming History will drop by and answer the concerns these question pose?

The series is meant to stimulate conversation, discussion and debate... To this date, Warren Commission report support has been lukewarm at best, if at all.

DHealy 04-14-2008

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*reposted with author permission -- author Ben Holmes...*

Defend the Warren Commission Report findings? The 45 Questions

Question #01

Back by popular demand - the 45 Questions that terrify those who try to defend

the Warren Commission Report. In the past, there have been only two

semi-serious attempts to answer them, one by John McAdams, and one by 'XXX' (the

xxxxx listed below) - Both responses were basically denials of the facts in most

of the 'answers'.

But first, an important note:

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Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum (alt.conspiracy.jfk) who's

only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to

change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults

and attacks.

These trolls include (but are not limited to):

22 trolls who post regularly to alt.conspiracy.jfk** names removed -dgh

Please beware when seeing their responses, and note that they will simply

deny the facts I mention, demand citations that I've provided before, or

simply run with insults. These trolls are only good material for the kill

files.

1. When the WC had ballistics tests done, shooting a bullet into the entry

location of the head specified by the autopsy report, the bullet invariably

exited the forehead or face of the target - can you explain why JFK’s face was

virtually untouched, and certainly showed no signs of an exiting bullet?

Lurkers might try to envision this - find the 'knot' of bone in the back of your

head, rather low... this is the external occipital protuberance (EOP). And as

Dr. Humes testified "...(the skull entrance wound is) just to the right and

below by a centimeter and maybe a centimeter to the right and maybe 2

centimeters below the midpoint of the external occipital protuberance. And when

the scalp was reflected from there, there was virtually an identical wound in

the occipital bone." (HSCA. Vol. 7: 246)

Now that you have the entry firmly in mind - remember that the presumed assassin

was in the 6th floor window - see if you can imagine such a trajectory *NOT*

exiting the face.

This was the problem faced by the Clark Panel and the HSCA - so they simply

moved the entry wound to one that would not create such an impossible

trajectory.

end #01 alt.conspiracy.jfk (USENET Google board)

Edited April 20, 2008 by David G. Healy

[Brian Smith]

I see the usual trolls are still up to their hi-jinks on that forum. All they can offer is the same pseudo explanations generously mixed with tired juvenile insults. Ad hominem attacks and endless obfuscation are the last resort of a person who doesn't have the facts on his side. They try to bury you in a pile of irrelevant minutiae and then say you are too unintelligent to understand what they are saying. Like Holmes said - when all is said and done, the facts remain unchanged. If they are in fact being paid to do this nonsense, then whatever they are earning is too much.

[David G. Healy]

I see the usual trolls are still up to their hi-jinks on that forum. All they can offer is the same pseudo explanations generously mixed with tired juvenile insults. Ad hominem attacks and endless obfuscation are the last resort of a person who doesn't have the facts on his side. They try to bury you in a pile of irrelevant minutiae and then say you are too unintelligent to understand what they are saying. Like Holmes said - when all is said and done, the facts remain unchanged. If they are in fact being paid to do this nonsense, then whatever they are earning is too much.

"Like Holmes said - when all is said and done, the facts remain unchanged." Yep!

[Thomas H. Purvis]

I see the usual trolls are still up to their hi-jinks on that forum. All they can offer is the same pseudo explanations generously mixed with tired juvenile insults. Ad hominem attacks and endless obfuscation are the last resort of a person who doesn't have the facts on his side. They try to bury you in a pile of irrelevant minutiae and then say you are too unintelligent to understand what they are saying. Like Holmes said - when all is said and done, the facts remain unchanged. If they are in fact being paid to do this nonsense, then whatever they are earning is too much.

"Like Holmes said - when all is said and done, the facts remain unchanged." Yep!

David:

Anyone who recognizes that the EOP entry into the skull, as well as the associated entry into the scalp at the edge of the hairline, with an ultimate exit through the top and/or frontal portion of the skull, at the Z313 position of JFK is, for all practical purposes, an impossibility.

However!

Since this is not what happened, then it is quite useless to dwell on an impossibility that did not happen.

The EOP entry occurred only after JFK had leaned well forward and to the left in the seat, with his head in a slightly downward position and the right rear of his head in a somewhat horizontal position.

AKA:----Down in front of James Altgens position.

"UP is only UP" when one sits erect!

[Thomas H. Purvis]

The complete impossibility that the lower edge of the hairline (scalp) entry as well as EOP entry being for impact of the bullet which struck at Z313 is clearly evident from a mere examination of a couple of photographs.

Therefore, it truely does not even take a smart person to recognize that, (assumption that the EOP entry is fact, which it most assuredly is), the EOP bullet entry DID NOT OCCUR at Z313.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z312.jpg

As has been stated on repeated occasions, the elongated nature of the skull penetration of JFK for the EOP entry, will, for all practical purposes, establish the exact position which his head was in at the time of impact.

(provided of course that one also has the downward angle of fire).

[David G. Healy]

The complete impossibility that the lower edge of the hairline (scalp) entry as well as EOP entry being for impact of the bullet which struck at Z313 is clearly evident from a mere examination of a couple of photographs.

Therefore, it truely does not even take a smart person to recognize that, (assumption that the EOP entry is fact, which it most assuredly is), the EOP bullet entry DID NOT OCCUR at Z313.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z312.jpg

As has been stated on repeated occasions, the elongated nature of the skull penetration of JFK for the EOP entry, will, for all practical purposes, establish the exact position which his head was in at the time of impact.

(provided of course that one also has the downward angle of fire).

as always, Tom.... you're well ahead of most of us on specifics.... its apparent, you're NOT defending the WCR

[Thomas H. Purvis]

The complete impossibility that the lower edge of the hairline (scalp) entry as well as EOP entry being for impact of the bullet which struck at Z313 is clearly evident from a mere examination of a couple of photographs.

Therefore, it truely does not even take a smart person to recognize that, (assumption that the EOP entry is fact, which it most assuredly is), the EOP bullet entry DID NOT OCCUR at Z313.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z312.jpg

As has been stated on repeated occasions, the elongated nature of the skull penetration of JFK for the EOP entry, will, for all practical purposes, establish the exact position which his head was in at the time of impact.

(provided of course that one also has the downward angle of fire).

as always, Tom.... you're well ahead of most of us on specifics.... its apparent, you're NOT defending the WCR

its apparent, you're NOT defending the WCR

Was it that obvious?

[David G. Healy]

The complete impossibility that the lower edge of the hairline (scalp) entry as well as EOP entry being for impact of the bullet which struck at Z313 is clearly evident from a mere examination of a couple of photographs.

Therefore, it truely does not even take a smart person to recognize that, (assumption that the EOP entry is fact, which it most assuredly is), the EOP bullet entry DID NOT OCCUR at Z313.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z312.jpg

As has been stated on repeated occasions, the elongated nature of the skull penetration of JFK for the EOP entry, will, for all practical purposes, establish the exact position which his head was in at the time of impact.

(provided of course that one also has the downward angle of fire).

as always, Tom.... you're well ahead of most of us on specifics.... its apparent, you're NOT defending the WCR

its apparent, you're NOT defending the WCR

Was it that obvious?

just a tad

[Brian Smith]

The complete impossibility that the lower edge of the hairline (scalp) entry as well as EOP entry being for impact of the bullet which struck at Z313 is clearly evident from a mere examination of a couple of photographs.

Therefore, it truely does not even take a smart person to recognize that, (assumption that the EOP entry is fact, which it most assuredly is), the EOP bullet entry DID NOT OCCUR at Z313.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z312.jpg

As has been stated on repeated occasions, the elongated nature of the skull penetration of JFK for the EOP entry, will, for all practical purposes, establish the exact position which his head was in at the time of impact.

(provided of course that one also has the downward angle of fire).

as always, Tom.... you're well ahead of most of us on specifics.... its apparent, you're NOT defending the WCR

its apparent, you're NOT defending the WCR

Was it that obvious?

just a tad

The fact remains that the bullet entry wound in the back of the head, that the autopsists put near the hairline, could not possibly have exited anywhere near the top of the head. That is why the entry wound was moved 4 inches higher. Also, Kennedy's head is not leaning forward in a horizontal position at the time of the head shot in the Zapruder film. Didn't the Rydberg drawing that the Warren Commission had drawn up try to create this false impression?

I also believe that the massive wound to the right front part of JFK's head - the so-called "blob" - was added onto the Zapruder film to create the impression that a bullet entered the back of the head and exited the front. There are several frames that seem to show Kennedy's entire right frontal face missing, where you can see Jackie's shoulder at the spot you should see Kennedy's face. Not a single witness to the wounds described any such damage to Kennedy's face, nor do the official autopsy photos show any such damage. I believe the film was extensively altered along with some, if not all of, the autopsy photos.

Edited April 16, 2008 by Brian Smith

[Thomas H. Purvis]

The complete impossibility that the lower edge of the hairline (scalp) entry as well as EOP entry being for impact of the bullet which struck at Z313 is clearly evident from a mere examination of a couple of photographs.

Therefore, it truely does not even take a smart person to recognize that, (assumption that the EOP entry is fact, which it most assuredly is), the EOP bullet entry DID NOT OCCUR at Z313.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z312.jpg

As has been stated on repeated occasions, the elongated nature of the skull penetration of JFK for the EOP entry, will, for all practical purposes, establish the exact position which his head was in at the time of impact.

(provided of course that one also has the downward angle of fire).

as always, Tom.... you're well ahead of most of us on specifics.... its apparent, you're NOT defending the WCR

its apparent, you're NOT defending the WCR

Was it that obvious?

just a tad

The fact remains that the bullet entry wound in the back of the head, that the autopsists put near the hairline, could not possibly have exited anywhere near the top of the head. That is why the entry wound was moved 4 inches higher. Also, Kennedy's head is not leaning forward in a horizontal position at the time of the head shot in the Zapruder film. Didn't the Rydberg drawing that the Warren Commission had drawn up try to create this false impression?

I also believe that the massive wound to the right front part of JFK's head - the so-called "blob" - was added onto the Zapruder film to create the impression that a bullet entered the back of the head and exited the front. There are several frames that seem to show Kennedy's entire right frontal face missing, where you can see Jackie's shoulder at the spot you should see Kennedy's face. Not a single witness to the wounds described any such damage to Kennedy's face, nor do the official autopsy photos show any such damage. I believe the film was extensively altered along with some, if not all of, the autopsy photos.

The fact remains that the bullet entry wound in the back of the head, that the autopsists put near the hairline, could not possibly have exited anywhere near the top of the head.

Quite correct so far!

That is why the entry wound was moved 4 inches higher.

Not exactly correct!

The HSCA Medical Panel "moved" nothing!

The merely reported what they could determine based on the available medical evidence which clearly demonstrates an apparant bullet entrance to the skull in the cowlick region (anterior/posterior X-ray), as well as a scalp penetration in the cowlick area (autopsy photograph).

Furthermore, this exact same conclusion had been reached by the Clark Panel some years prior, and, along with the indications of fracture and fragmentation of the right transverse process of a vertebrae (C7 or T1), began the rumblings of the items which were missed during the course of the autopsy.

Also, Kennedy's head is not leaning forward in a horizontal position at the time of the head shot in the Zapruder film. Didn't the Rydberg drawing that the Warren Commission had drawn up try to create this false impression?

Yes!, Which should tell the prudent person something, along with the WHY? that the autopsy X-rays and photo's were not admitted into evidence during the WC.

First off, had these X-rays and photo's been admitted into evidence, then the conflicts would have come out into the open immediately, in early 1964, when all persons and all evidence was still readily available to have ultimately resolved these conflicts.

Thus, do not admit them into evidence and keep them hidden for as long as possible.

Secondly, you are absolutely correct in the drawing, as what was apparantly done is that someone more or less "bracketed"/aka split the difference between the Cowlick Entry position and the EOP entry position.

By making a drawing which showed JFK's head leaned forward slightly more than it is in the actual film at time of the Z313 impact, as well as making an entry point which was more or less in between the cowlick and EOP entry, the WC was able to pass off it's cartoon character drawings as if they represented something factual.

This alone demonstrates some "prior knowledge" as to the position of JFK's head down in front of Altgens Position at the time of the third/last/final shot impact, which the US Secret Service as well as the FBI clearly accepted and had platted/plotted on their assassination re-enactment plats.

And, since the FBI (as well as SS) had members present at the autopsy who clearly observed the penetration location at the rear of the head in the lower edge of the hairline, as well as the fact that no bullets and/or fragments had exited in any location other than the top and frontal lobes of JFK's skull, then the FBI knew that they could not make this shot disappear with the true knowledge of the pathological damage to JFK.

That is of course why the FBI, when they began to attempt to cover up a few items, knew that the third shot impact had to stay, and thereafter attempted to make the Z313 impact disappear.

Which could not be done either as far too many had already observed the Z-film and it's impact point with the yellow curb mark in the background.

To inclulde of course the Time/Life Survey Plat and the SS's own assassination re-enactment and survey plat.

This placed Specter, Hoover, & Company in the position of having to make the third/last/final shot be the one to have to disappear.

And thusly:

Politicians, not unlike Magicians, can make things disappear!

[Brian Smith]

The complete impossibility that the lower edge of the hairline (scalp) entry as well as EOP entry being for impact of the bullet which struck at Z313 is clearly evident from a mere examination of a couple of photographs.

Therefore, it truely does not even take a smart person to recognize that, (assumption that the EOP entry is fact, which it most assuredly is), the EOP bullet entry DID NOT OCCUR at Z313.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z312.jpg

As has been stated on repeated occasions, the elongated nature of the skull penetration of JFK for the EOP entry, will, for all practical purposes, establish the exact position which his head was in at the time of impact.

(provided of course that one also has the downward angle of fire).

as always, Tom.... you're well ahead of most of us on specifics.... its apparent, you're NOT defending the WCR

its apparent, you're NOT defending the WCR

Was it that obvious?

just a tad

The fact remains that the bullet entry wound in the back of the head, that the autopsists put near the hairline, could not possibly have exited anywhere near the top of the head. That is why the entry wound was moved 4 inches higher. Also, Kennedy's head is not leaning forward in a horizontal position at the time of the head shot in the Zapruder film. Didn't the Rydberg drawing that the Warren Commission had drawn up try to create this false impression?

I also believe that the massive wound to the right front part of JFK's head - the so-called "blob" - was added onto the Zapruder film to create the impression that a bullet entered the back of the head and exited the front. There are several frames that seem to show Kennedy's entire right frontal face missing, where you can see Jackie's shoulder at the spot you should see Kennedy's face. Not a single witness to the wounds described any such damage to Kennedy's face, nor do the official autopsy photos show any such damage. I believe the film was extensively altered along with some, if not all of, the autopsy photos.

The fact remains that the bullet entry wound in the back of the head, that the autopsists put near the hairline, could not possibly have exited anywhere near the top of the head.

Quite correct so far!

That is why the entry wound was moved 4 inches higher.

Not exactly correct!

The HSCA Medical Panel "moved" nothing!

The merely reported what they could determine based on the available medical evidence which clearly demonstrates an apparant bullet entrance to the skull in the cowlick region (anterior/posterior X-ray), as well as a scalp penetration in the cowlick area (autopsy photograph).

Furthermore, this exact same conclusion had been reached by the Clark Panel some years prior, and, along with the indications of fracture and fragmentation of the right transverse process of a vertebrae (C7 or T1), began the rumblings of the items which were missed during the course of the autopsy.

Also, Kennedy's head is not leaning forward in a horizontal position at the time of the head shot in the Zapruder film. Didn't the Rydberg drawing that the Warren Commission had drawn up try to create this false impression?

Yes!, Which should tell the prudent person something, along with the WHY? that the autopsy X-rays and photo's were not admitted into evidence during the WC.

First off, had these X-rays and photo's been admitted into evidence, then the conflicts would have come out into the open immediately, in early 1964, when all persons and all evidence was still readily available to have ultimately resolved these conflicts.

Thus, do not admit them into evidence and keep them hidden for as long as possible.

Secondly, you are absolutely correct in the drawing, as what was apparantly done is that someone more or less "bracketed"/aka split the difference between the Cowlick Entry position and the EOP entry position.

By making a drawing which showed JFK's head leaned forward slightly more than it is in the actual film at time of the Z313 impact, as well as making an entry point which was more or less in between the cowlick and EOP entry, the WC was able to pass off it's cartoon character drawings as if they represented something factual.

This alone demonstrates some "prior knowledge" as to the position of JFK's head down in front of Altgens Position at the time of the third/last/final shot impact, which the US Secret Service as well as the FBI clearly accepted and had platted/plotted on their assassination re-enactment plats.

And, since the FBI (as well as SS) had members present at the autopsy who clearly observed the penetration location at the rear of the head in the lower edge of the hairline, as well as the fact that no bullets and/or fragments had exited in any location other than the top and frontal lobes of JFK's skull, then the FBI knew that they could not make this shot disappear with the true knowledge of the pathological damage to JFK.

That is of course why the FBI, when they began to attempt to cover up a few items, knew that the third shot impact had to stay, and thereafter attempted to make the Z313 impact disappear.

Which could not be done either as far too many had already observed the Z-film and it's impact point with the yellow curb mark in the background.

To inclulde of course the Time/Life Survey Plat and the SS's own assassination re-enactment and survey plat.

This placed Specter, Hoover, & Company in the position of having to make the third/last/final shot be the one to have to disappear.

And thusly:

Politicians, not unlike Magicians, can make things disappear!

"Politicians, not unlike Magicians, can make things disappear!"

That is certainly true. If only they could make the prime time television shows, the national debt and inflation disappear, then they would be doing something worthwhile!