Von Pein Again

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Tom,

You dismiss Gauthier's relevance by saying he was a tinker-toy specialist. You are right about his being a tinker-toy specialist. Which is the point. This was how the FBI re-enacted crime scenes in 1963. Your assertion that the early surveys accurately depicted the location for the head shot, and had placed it out in front of James Altgens' position, is without merit. The FBI never spoke to Altgens until months after the shooting, and then only at the request of the WC. The SS never spoke to him. Even if he said there were two head shots--which he most certainly did not--he never told it to them.

As far as the Connnallys, they both implied the head shot at 313 was the last shot. For the FBI and the mainstream press, that was game, point, match. Connally says Kennedy was hit before him, and that he was hit by the second, and that the third hit Kennedy in the head. Okie-doke. He's the President's buddy. And a national hero. They ignored the statements of everyone else after that.

For a long time, I thought you were right, and believed that the surveys demonstrated that the FBI and SS thought there'd been a shot after the head shot. But then I checked the paper trail at maryferrell, and found memo after memo stating that Connally was hit by the second shot and that the last shot was the head shot at frame 313. I agree this makes little sense. Unless the FBI and SS were total incompetents unconcerned with establishing Kennedy's actual position OR deliberately stretching out the shooting scenario for some dishonest purpose.

"You dismiss Gauthier's relevance by saying he was a tinker-toy specialist. You are right about his being a tinker-toy specialist. Which is the point. This was how the FBI re-enacted crime scenes in 1963. Your assertion that the early surveys accurately depicted the location for the head shot, and had placed it out in front of James Altgens' position, is without merit. The FBI never spoke to Altgens until months after the shooting, and then only at the request of the WC. The SS never spoke to him. Even if he said there were two head shots--which he most certainly did not--he never told it to them."

Actually! For the most part I dismiss anything which Gauthier has to say as he was an integral part of the "SCAM"!

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Mr. GAUTHIER. The survey was made on May 24, 1964, by Robert H. West, county surveyor, a licensed State land surveyor, located at 160 County Courthouse, Dallas, Tex.

Mr. SPECTER. Have you brought the tracing of that survey with you today?

Mr. GAUTHIER. I have; yes.

Mr. SPECTER. And have you brought a cardboard reproduction of that?

Mr. GAUTHIER. A copy made from the tracing; yes.

Mr. SPECTER. Would you produce the cardboard copy made from the tracing for the inspection of the Commission at this time, please?

Mr. GAUTHIER. Yes.

Mr. SPECTER. Would you produce the tracing at this time, please?

Mr. GAUTHIER. Yes; the tracing is wrapped, and sealed in this container.

Mr. SPECTER. Without breaking the seal, I will ask you if the cardboard which has been set up here--may the record show it is a large cardboard. I will ask you for the dimensions in just a minute.

Does the printing on the cardboard represent an exact duplication of the tracing which you have in your hand?

Mr. GAUTHIER. Yes.

Mr. SPECTER. May it please the Commission, we will mark the tracing Commission Exhibit No. 882, and not take it out, since the cardboard represents it, and place Commission Exhibit No. 883 on the cardboard drawing itself, and I would like to move for the admission into evidence of both Exhibits Nos. 882 and 883.

The CHAIRMAN. They may be admitted.

Mr. SPECTER. I now hand you a schedule which I have marked as Commission Exhibit No. 884 and ask you what figures are contained thereon.

(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 884 for identification.)

Mr. GAUTHIER. This is a copy of a tabulation which appears on the plat map.

It contains certain positions marked as frame numbers. It indicates elevations and a column dealing with angle of sight from the frame positions to the window and to a horizontal line.

It also contains angels of sight the degree of sight and distances from these positions to a point on the top of the bridge, handrail height.

Mr. SPECTER. May it please the Commission, that concludes the description of the general setting.

I would like to move now at this time for the admission into evidence of Exhibit No. 884, which completes all of the exhibits used heretofore.

Mr. McCLOY. It may be admitted.

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A. It ain't an "exact duplication", irrelevant as to whether it is on carboard or toilet tissue!

B. It ain't "a copy of a tabulation which appears on the plat map" since there are several forged

changes relative to what was actually surveyed.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol17_0449a.htm

Which "mark" at survey stationing 4+95 (what was actually surveyed in) placed the impact location for the third shot fired

as having been directly in front of James Altgens location.

So, with the Z313 impact blowing the top of JFK's head off, and most certainly being easily observed in the Z-film, then

exactly how is it that you are of the impression that the SS knew exactly where impact of the last shot occurred, as well

as having managed to re-create photographic evidence which clearly demonstrates that they knew exactly where

Altgens was located when they did their re-enactment survey work?

Now! Recognizing that I am just an ole backwoods country boy, I nevertheless give considerable preference to the SS's photo's as taken from the Altgens position/location, as opposed to those in which the FBI pulled the wool over a lot of

person's eyes.

P.S. One did not even have to speak with James Altgens to know his EXACT location. Since he was standing exactly 5-feet

from the second yellow curb mark and was standing EXACTLY at a construction joint in the concrete street curb.

Which sort of makes one wonder:

A. Exactly why the FBI/WC with all of their great talent, made such a "bust".

B. Exactly why those who claim to be "researchers", had not long ago pointed out this little "slight"/sleight-of-hand" maneuver.

Lastly! Just for your information again! The SS survey plat of December 5, 1963, as well as the FBI survey plat of 2/7/64, both place the third/last/final shot impact point as being located at survey stationing 4+95, which so happens to be directly in front of James Altgens position.

Guess that they were both wrong, and the ever-so-believeable WC told us the truth, huh?

DUH!

resistence to the possibilty of Zapruder film alteration runs deep, VERY deep. As for the "old country boy" moniker, everytime I hear that phrase I think of Sgt. gobble-gobble York, WW1 fame....

Doubt seriously that I could actually ever shoot as well as he could.

However! I remain pretty "shiney" at sharpshooting the Warren Commission, if that is of any consequence.

And yes, I firmly believe in various alterations to the Zapruder film as well, which of course would appear quite illogical to most, considering that I also claim that all shots came from the sixth floor of the TSDB.

[Gil Jesus]

1991 PICTURE OF DAVID VON PEIN AS MANAGER OF KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN STORE:

http://www.timvp.com/david.html

http://i44.tinypic.com/30c8w3l.jpg

I just think it hilarious that a guy who talks down to everybody is nothing more than a jockey in a fast food joint.

First, the plagarist Posner and now Von Pein the chicken slinger.

Boy, their side is taking a beating.

[William Kelly]

1991 PICTURE OF DAVID VON PEIN AS MANAGER OF KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN STORE:

http://www.timvp.com/david.html

http://i44.tinypic.com/30c8w3l.jpg

I just think it hilarious that a guy who talks down to everybody is nothing more than a jockey in a fast food joint.

First, the plagarist Posner and now Von Pein the chicken slinger.

Boy, their side is taking a beating.

Von Pein, without having read IARRB, started badmouthing Doug Horne and ridiculing the notions that there was pre-autopsy surgery to the brain, two brain exams and two brains, implying that these were Horne's idiotic inventions.

Pein is just not familiar with the facts or the evidence in either case. FBI Agents Sibert & O'Neil, in their report, quote the autopsy surgeon as saying, before beginning the operation, that there was surgery to the head, and reaffirmed this fact when questioned by the ARRB. And it isn't Horne's opinion, but the official military records that indicate there were two separate brain exams, one including Dr. Finck and the other excluding him. As reported by AP and the Washington Post over a decade ago, there were also two different brains examed, one being JFK's brain and the other one that had been in a formaldihide solution since before JFK was killed, with one brain being a full, complete brain and the other being JFK's, less than half there. You don't have to look far beyond Horne to find that he is right and Von Pein is wrong, again.

Pein is also wrong about the timing of the gettaway of the Sixth Floor Sniper, and his analysis of the Bledsoe Document is incomplete.

I wouldn't belittle him for working at a KFC though. At least when he's working he's not trying to fool people about the assassination.

In the early years I supported my JFK research making pizza.

BK

Edited April 18, 2010 by William Kelly

[Gil Jesus]

1991 PICTURE OF DAVID VON PEIN AS MANAGER OF KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN STORE:

http://www.timvp.com/david.html

http://i44.tinypic.com/30c8w3l.jpg

I just think it hilarious that a guy who talks down to everybody is nothing more than a jockey in a fast food joint.

First, the plagarist Posner and now Von Pein the chicken slinger.

Boy, their side is taking a beating.

I wouldn't belittle him for working at a KFC though. At least when he's working he's not trying to fool people about the assassination.

In the early years I supported my JFK research making pizza.

BK

I'm not belittling him because he works there. I'm giving him the business because he refers to people like Fetzer, Mantik, Wecht and Thompson, all who have PhD's, as "kooks".

He refers to people who are experts in their fields as "kooks".

He refers to authors and researchers who have examined the case as "kooks".

He talks down to people.......what gives him that right ?

He has no credentials, no experience , no expertise, and no education.

When you put their credentials against his, his is a joke.

He should concentrate on what he knows about.......his mashed potato bowls.