Chris Davidson Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Question 1. These 2 frames are taken from slightly different positions. Using the sidewalk sign post (LOS with the crosswalk) and the County Records Building window as registration targets, can one conclude (from Tina Towner's frame) the limo started it's turn toward Elm St. about where the crosswalk begins? chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 Question 2 Would this composite be a good representation of Tina Towner's position as she filmed the limo turning onto Elm St? The red lines that extend from Tina represent her "Field of View", which would match her first frame provided in the previous post. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Excellent work, Chris! Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I have always thought that Zapruder should show the Towners. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 (edited) Jack, I'll have to reserve comment on Z's line of sight to the Towner's for now. I'm geared more towards a timing issue. This next composite positions the limo from the SS recreation to where it appears in Towner's first frame(see 1st posting). Notice the timer at the bottom which shows 2:09 This is actually 2:09.16 into the SS recreation. chris Edited December 1, 2008 by Chris Davidson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 Finally, The TEXT is from Myer's work. If you compare the SS limo's starting point (relevant to where I placed it in the previous composite) at 2:09.16 and run it for 7 seconds to 2:16.16, this is where it ends. Use the lane markers as a comparison/measuring tool (red arrows) between the SS frame and Towner's last frame According to Myer's, Towner filmed at 23.3/24 FPS for 160 + (8 missing frames) frames which is 7 seconds. The Towner frame in this composite is the last frame (#160). Towner's camera does not have a setting for 24 FPS. It does have a slow motion setting for 48 FPS. I own this camera model. It films at 16 to 18 FPS in multiple tests I have run using "Normal" mode 16 FPS x 10 seconds = 160 frames 18 FPS x 8.88 seconds = 160 frames Question 3 Where is the missing time? chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 (edited) I beleive i can see Tina and Jim Towner in this Z-frame. They are standing just to the right of Railway Man. Edited December 1, 2008 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed LeDoux Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 So 8 frames are missing starting at 84....I have a feeling Chris is going to show us where the limo was at during those missing frames. This is getting good, I was wondering where you were going with this and now I think I see. Towner could not have shot at 24 frames a second because the camera doesn't have that speed setting, correct? Only slow = 48fps, or normal = 16-18fps, yet we have some speed in between. So the film was "adjusted" to fit with the other films by manipulating it, and that was done by removing 8 frames, correct? Continue please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 (edited) Ed, This footnote is also from Myer's study. I believe this is very important when discussing the Towner scenario. chris Edited December 1, 2008 by Chris Davidson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I beleive i can see Tina and Jim Towner in this Z-frame.They are standing just to the right of Railway Man. Correct. I knew that. I meant that you should see them when they step into the street taking pictures. Show them to me when they step northward into the street. Thanks. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 So 8 frames are missing starting at 84....I have a feeling Chris is going to show us where the limo was at during those missing frames. This is getting good, I was wondering where you were going with this and now I think I see.Towner could not have shot at 24 frames a second because the camera doesn't have that speed setting, correct? Only slow = 48fps, or normal = 16-18fps, yet we have some speed in between. So the film was "adjusted" to fit with the other films by manipulating it, and that was done by removing 8 frames, correct? Continue please! One explanation for the missing "time" might be the path traveled making the turn. Sharper turn "less time", Wider turn "more time". chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted December 1, 2008 Author Share Posted December 1, 2008 Here is some corroborating testimony that would correspond to the previous photo posted and might account for the missing "time". Thanks to Dr. John Costella for this tremendous book of information. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I beleive i can see Tina and Jim Towner in this Z-frame.They are standing just to the right of Railway Man. Correct. I knew that. I meant that you should see them when they step into the street taking pictures. Show them to me when they step northward into the street. Thanks. Jack Here is what I mean: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Here is one of my older studies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Speaking of Betzner, here is an older study I did of his sudden appearance in Zapruder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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