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And I would please request from Tom Scully and/or any other moderator to please prevent Mike Rago from stepping on my posts any more, as he has done it five times now.

Rago is no longer the innocent poster he pretends to be but is intentionally interfering with this thread and intimidating and preventing others from responding.

JFKcountercoup: Valkyrie At Dealey Plaza - Updated

I am not stepping on your threads I am questioning your article.

I am one of the few people that read your article.

I have lots more questions and valid comments about this article.

So these are your many Cuban connections....

If Oswald was the assassin or Patsy, then his background in the FPCC, his attempts to get visa to Cuba in Mexico City, his admiration for Castro and use of the Hidel alias are among the items that call attention to the Cuban connections.

As he was murdered by Jack Ruby, Ruby had visited Cuba on more than one occasion, and both Oswald and Ruby visited Castro's friend Robert McKowan, regarding Cuba.

How does the Hidel alias call attention to a Cuban connection?

Oswald also defected to the Soviet Union and had a very Russian wife. What about that connection? If Oswald was the Patsy, which he was, they wanted you to examine his life and follow his rabbit holes! You do not disappoint them!

Jack Ruby also has more than one connection and Cuba is certainly not the most important one.

And your article does draw a parallel between Kennedy and Hitler. You say that 4 of the plotters were the same and the only difference was that the plot to kill Hitler failed but the plot to kill Kennedy succeeded.

You may have read my article, but you haven't read any of my sources, or any of the other books on the case, or any of the original material or apparently discussed the case with anyone who knows anything about it, or you would know the answers to your questions.

If anyone would like to answer Mike Rago's questions they are free to do so, but as far as I'm concerned, he can answer his questions by simply reading up on the case.

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I have read a lot of original material.. Most of the HSCA and lots of WCR. And most of the witness statements particularly as it pertains to the Grassy Knoll. I have cross checked that testimony with the photographic evidence and I have a pretty good idea of what happened that day . I would not be challenging your on you article if I believed it was correct.

A reader of your article should not have to read all your sources to be persuaded by your article, particularly when the author is front and center and asking for questions.

BTW, I think that Photographic Evidence is considered a Primary Source. That is one reason I rely on it.

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I'm going to switch gears here, as I have noticed that the Gene Wheaton/Jenkins story, as related by Larry Hancock, is a piece of the puzzle that fits into the angle I am trying to develop, as Wheaton tried to explain when he wrote to the ARRB:

“Apparently as a result, ARRB staff member Anne Buttimer was assigned to contact Wheaton. There are records of contact with Wheaton in an April telephone call (Buttimer recorded as a ‘outside contact report’ for that call). Wheaton informed Buttermer that he had no specific documents that would offer information about the conspiracy but that he could produce documents which would substantiate the nature and general activities of the people through he had obtained information about the assassination conspiracy. He cited his sources on the assassination as Cuban exiles who had confirmed that exiles originally trained for attacks on Castro had killed JFK, considering him to have been a traitor. He also stated that ‘people above the Cubans wanted JFK killed for other reasons.’ Wheaton concluded with the cryptic remark, ‘the matter is not complex, but it is convoluted.’”

JFKCountercoup2: Larry Hancock - "Someone Would Have Talked"

It appears that Wheaton's friend Jenkins ran the AMWORLD base station in Florida, kept separate from JMWAVE, and that one of the plots he developed for the assassination of Castro was by sniper attack when Castro visited the DuPont estate, which we know about because three NPIC - photo specialists prepared blueprints of the buildings. If this was the plot to kill Castro that was diverted to DP, then we will be able to narrow it down even further, knowing the CIA case officer (Jenkins) we can id the Cubans he was working with, and may even come to know the names of, as Fonzi put it, the specific individuals who "comprised the apparatus that killed Kennedy."

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I want to see the pieces of the puzzle that do not fit. Since I believe your theory is not correct.

Surely there are pieces that you know of that do not fit your theory?

For instance, what motive did the two Germans you say were part of the plot to kill both Hitler and Kennedy, have to kill Kennedy?

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I'm going to switch gears here, as I have noticed that the Gene Wheaton/Jenkins story, as related by Larry Hancock, is a piece of the puzzle that fits into the angle I am trying to develop, as Wheaton tried to explain when he wrote to the ARRB:

“Apparently as a result, ARRB staff member Anne Buttimer was assigned to contact Wheaton. There are records of contact with Wheaton in an April telephone call (Buttimer recorded as a ‘outside contact report’ for that call). Wheaton informed Buttermer that he had no specific documents that would offer information about the conspiracy but that he could produce documents which would substantiate the nature and general activities of the people through he had obtained information about the assassination conspiracy. He cited his sources on the assassination as Cuban exiles who had confirmed that exiles originally trained for attacks on Castro had killed JFK, considering him to have been a traitor. He also stated that ‘people above the Cubans wanted JFK killed for other reasons.’ Wheaton concluded with the cryptic remark, ‘the matter is not complex, but it is convoluted.’”

JFKCountercoup2: Larry Hancock - "Someone Would Have Talked"

It appears that Wheaton's friend Jenkins ran the AMWORLD base station in Florida, kept separate from JMWAVE, and that one of the plots he developed for the assassination of Castro was by sniper attack when Castro visited the DuPont estate, which we know about because three NPIC - photo specialists prepared blueprints of the buildings. If this was the plot to kill Castro that was diverted to DP, then we will be able to narrow it down even further, knowing the CIA case officer (Jenkins) we can id the Cubans he was working with, and may even come to know the names of, as Fonzi put it, the specific individuals who "comprised the apparatus that killed Kennedy."

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Well I guess Mr. Rago was successful in killing any serious discussion of this issue here. I'll keep going though.

Unlike the original Valkyrie plot to kill Hitler, the plot they devised to eliminate Castro was to be by a sniper, which I think was the plot devised to be used at the DuPont estate, that Larry Hancock mentions, and the Hemingway Plot that Gus Russo draws out and note that, "Lansdale would write a memorandum of this meeting that would become the only known documentary evidence that Jack and Bobby ever endorsed or authorized a hit on Fidel"

If This is the most serious documentary evidence of the Kennedy brothers intent to kill Castro, then they didn't. - BK

DuPont Plot

Larry Hancock – “Someone Would Have Talked” (JFK Lancer, 2006) p. 486

“…a Memorandum for the Record, dated March 12, 1975, and signed by Edward Cates, Chief, Imagery Exploitation Group, NPIC. It recounts that three NPIC personnel who had formerly worked at JM/WAVE had heard references to assassination plans against Fidel Castro. Eventually eight persons told of plans aimed at Fidel Castro and one relating to Raul Castro.”

“The incident involving Raul Castro seems to have been an autonomous action by Rip Robertson while engaged in a paramilitary raid on Santiago de Cuba harbor in which the mission personnel took the opportunity to fire on Raul’s home as they exited the harbor.”

“One assassination plan aimed to kill Castro in the Bay of Pigs resort area where he maintained a yacht and was known to vacation. That plan, possibly with the code “Pathfinder” associated with it, evidently did not go into action.”

“The second part, which apparently did go into operation, was led by Carl Jenkins of the DDP (Directorate of Plans). It called for assassinating Castro at the DuPont Veradero Beach Estate, east of Havana. Castro was known to frequent the estate and the plan was to use a high powered rifle to kill him from a distance.”

“The photo interpretation support involved providing annotated photographs and drawings of the estate. The image personnel had no knowledge of the plan ever being implemented, but other information suggests that up to three attempts were made to insert a shooter for this project.”

“A second memorandum, of May 1975, from Joseph Seltzer, reflects a search for further information on ‘Pathfinder’ that proved fruitless, turning up only one reference to Pathfinder in a January 20, 1961 FBI memo concerning Frank Sturgis.

“Two additional Memoranda for the Record, of June 1975 and August 1975, appear to be part of the CIA’s own internal investigation of assassination attempts. The first concerns the claim of a former Cuban agent (than a contract employee) to have made three abortive attempts to land at Veradero Beach for the purpose of assassinating Fidel Castro. The agent claimed that he and another individual made three abortive attempts in February 1961.”

“The memo states that a former Miami station case officer said in June of 1975 that he was aware of this mission (though the officer is not named in the memo). According to the Cuban exile, the first mission was aborted when the luxury yacht being used developed engine trouble (they had also forgotten their radio generator). The report continues, but the second page is missing from the file. Cuban names mentioned in this memo include ‘Felix’ and ‘Segundo.’”

“The second related memo, of August, refers to the statement of the contract employee (who was being debriefed in preparation for retirement). When asked if he had ever been involved in any activity involving assassinations, he replied that in December, 1960 he had told an Agency officer that the solution to the Cuban problem was to kill Fidel Castro and that he would volunteer for such a mission.”

“He related that he and two other Cubans made three CIA planned and executed voyages to Cuba for this purpose, but that the craft they sailed in was never met and they never landed. The employee was unable to identify the American he alleged had given him the missions. He said he received no instructions on how to complete the mission nor had he ever fired the scope-equipped rifle provided for said mission. The memo notes that Agency files contain no record of such an assignment.”

“In Deadly Secrets, authors Hinckle and Turner describe an incident related by Felix Rodriguez in his book Shadow Warrior. Rodriguez described volunteering to assassinate Castro while in training with the Brigade. He also described being presented with a beautiful German bolt action rifle with telescope sight. The weapon had been pre-sighted for a location where Castro made frequent appearances. After several abortive attempts to infiltrate Rodriguez into Cuba, the project was abandoned….”

THE HEMINGWAY PLOT

“Lansdale would write a memorandum of this meeting (March 16, 1962) that would become the only known documentary evidence that Jack and Bobby ever endorsed or authorized a hit on Fidel.” - Gus Russo

Gus Russo – “Brothers In Arms” (Bloomsbury, 2008)

p. 142

“On the second day of July (1961), in the Idaho resort town of Ketchum, a man who had been a literary hero to John F. Kennedy, to Fidel Castro, and to Lee Harvey Oswald finally succumbed to his despair and took his own life with a shotgun. Ernest Hemingway had been suffering from various maladies for a number of years: most unbearably, depression. His illness had prevented him from attending John Kennedy’s inaugural, in fact, and thus the two men had never met, despite their mutual eseem.”

“His widow, Mary, maintained that his suicide was a gun accident, and she would grieve him for years to come. His decline had been harrowing, a kind of emotional dementia that set in while the rest of his mind remained clear. In the weeks following his death, when she wasn’t inconsolably lost, she was preparing herself to make the last, long journey to say good-bye to the house they had shared in Cuba.”

p. 149

“Late in July, Mary Hemmingway and her companion, Valerie Danby-Smith, arrived in Cuba to pack up family treasures and turn Finca Vigia over to the regime, which was making plans to convert it into a museum.”

“The couple had departed Cuba abruptly, and the house was as they had left it, Hemingway’s shelves full of books buttressing the walls, paintings everywhere, manuscripts in varying states of completion neatly stacked here and there. A skeleton staff had opened the house in anticipation of their arrival, and there was a huge fruit basket waiting for them, a gift from Premier Castro. Wit I as a note offering his condolences and his assistance, should any be required. He ha been a great admirer of Ernest and wished to be of service.”

“A few nights later, on short notice, Fidel paid the women a visit, arriving in his jeep with only a retinue of aides following in another nondescript vehicle, no bodyguards. Mary had assembled the servants to greet him on the porch and, once they had all shaken the hand of the Maxium Leader, he was led to a parlor for coffee and refreshments. The talk was easygoing. They discussed the transfer of the home to the people of Cuba, and Fidel reminisced about the day fishing with Ernest at Barlovento. He admired the mounted animal heads on the walls, trophies that the women had been trying to document the origins of for the museum. If there was any mention of the ugly circumstances that had prompted the author’s self-exile the year before, they were not recorded by the participants.”

“Fidel wanted to see where Hemingway had written his stories, so Mary took him outside to a three story tower she had had built for him, a writing roost. In truth, Ernest hated the thing; he preferred to write in the bedroom. But Fidel was charmed by the tower, and to her astonishment, he propelled himself straight up the stairs, completely heedless of any possible threat at the top. That apparent lack of concern for his own safety made an impression on Mary that afternoon, an she would share it, most innocently, upon recounting the visit to others. He and his entourage left soon after, Fidel encouraging her once more to call on him I there was anything she requested.”

“The last of her memories of the place were packed into crates, the paintings by friends Paul Klee, Juan Gris, Masson, the raft of stories left unfinished. She and Valerie were required to carry only hand luggage off the isle, but she was not prepared to leave half his legacy behind. She procured the services of a shrimp boat that was headed for Tampa for repairs, and had the crates secreted aboard for safe transport across the sea, leaving only the finca, its furniture , and a few objects of interest to signify the spirit of the husband she had lost.” 34

“Fidel would soon make it a shrine.”

p. 169

“Mary Hemingway had been mourning her husband for seven months. The winter solitude of Idaho was wearing on her, so in February, just as the Presidium was sowing the seeds of the Cuban missile crisis, Mary was setting off to spend the rest of her the season in her New York City apartment.”

“Even winter can’t dampen the sheer sociability of the city. A blizzard may muffle the screech and rumble of the subways through the sidewalk grates, but it only fills the bars and restaurants, the museums and the concert halls even fuller, and she knew the town would do her good.”

“As her traveling companion to Cuba, Valerie Danby-Smith, put it, Mary would not consciously have aided or abetted any scheme against the person of Fidel Castro. But the artistic and political circles of the East ha a way of bleeding together, and her recent encounter with the premier was soon the stuff of cocktail chat from Manhattan to Georgetown.”

“Once she was settled into her flat, the city called her out, and she made the rounds to the homes of friends, hungry for liveliness and good cheer. Her afternoon with Castro became a favorite yarn in the salons of the lit crowd, topped off as it was by the little smuggling operation on the shrimp boa, the old man’s crates of stories being spirited out to sea. She had been so struck by Fidel’s heedless charge up the stairs of the tower, she kept saying; so keenly aware that he was still a guerilla with an almost ghostlike freedom to appear and disappear on the landscape; and so struck by how few trappings of power he surrounded himself with. Whatever his ugly secrets, to her he had seemed like an embodiment of his ideals, a man among the people, protected by his very rapport with them and their apparent faith in him. She was hardly a naïve women. She saw him clearly, but his charismatic aura could not be denied.”

“And in many American households, Fidel still had a certain fascination. New Yorkers were as hungry for stories about him in the winter of 1962 as they had been when he came through in 1959, and Mary fed hers to anyone who was interested. Among them were writers and journalists, of course. By the second week of March, the New York Times and Post had picked up a newsy version of the story, though neither of the papers mentioned Fidel’s light security. Mary’s friend Clifton Daniel, an assistant managing editor of the Times (and Harry Truman’s son-in-law), thought that Edward R. Morrow should talk to Mary. Murrow, the legendary newsman who was now heading up the United States Information Agency (the USIA), agreed.”

“On March 20 (1961), Murrow dropped Daniel a follow-up letter.

“Mary Hemingway did call,” he wrote. “We had an interesting and useful conversation and I passed her remarks on to one or two interested parties down here.

“The USIA was, after all, a player in Operation Mongoose.”

“Those interested parties proved to be members of the Special Group (Augmented), the SGA, which met in the Oval Office on March 16, 1962, four days before Murrow’s casual letter to Daniel. The purpose of the meeting was to set presidential guidelines for Operation Mongoose, just then getting up to speed, and it was attended by the president; Bobby; Mac Bundy; the newly sworn director of the CIA, John McCone; General Maxwell Taylor, military advisor to the president (and the only member of the top brass whom Jack actually liked); the chair of the Joint Chiefs, General Lyman Lemnitzer; U. Alexis Johnson, a deputy undersecretary of state; Roswell Gilpatrick, deputy secretary of defense; and Ed Lansdale. Lansdale would write a memorandum of this meeting that would become the only known documentary evidence that Jack and Bobby ever endorsed or authorized a hit on Fidel.”

“The meeting commenced with a briefing from Lansdale about the training of Cuban exile insurgents in the fine points of guerrilla warfare. The president then reiterated that he was not yet ready to approve any direct American military involvement in such plans. Lately, he had made many speeches warning against the new insurrectionary forms of warfare that had reached the point in which conflict was either catastrophically global, or secreted in the supposed ‘backwaters’ of civilization. It was all or nothing.”

“According to Lansdale, it was Bobby who opened the discussion about Mary Hemingway. She had apparently conveyed that Castro was drinking heavily, disgruntled by the way things were going in Cuba. What his specifically referred to was anyone’s guess, but certainly has economic woes and the stress of being constantly hunted might have had something to do with it.”

“Bobby then briefly described ‘the opportunities offered by the shrine’ to Hemingway. Fidel’s movements had proved very hard to track, and when he was seen, he was usually protected by a phalax of guards. The finca implication was that he held the palce in some personal esteem and his retreats there were relatively vulnerable. If he was known to visit the finca, however unpredictably, it might still present an opportunity for a stakeout by the Cuban underground. Mary’s conversation with Murrow had been mirrored by other sources, and Lansdale’s memo, written later that same afternoon, called the plan ‘worth assessing firmly and pursuing vigorously. If there were grounds for action, the CIA had some invaluable assets which might well be committed for such an effort.’ 6

“There were hints in his text that the CIA was not at its usual place at the hub of such discussions but was just another spoke. ‘McCone asked if his operational people were aware of this; I told him that we had discussed this, that they agreed the subject was worth vigorous development, and that we were in agreement that the matter was so delicate and sensitive that it shouldn’t be surfaced to the Special Group until we are ready to go, and then, not in detail.’ Lansdale went on: ‘I pointed out that this all pertained to fractioning the regime. If it happened it could develop like a brush-fire, much as in Hungary, and we must be prepared to help it win our goal of Cuba freed of a Communist government.’”

“According to Peter Kornbluh, a senior analyst at the National Security Archive, the Special Group at that time, ‘routinely planned sabotage, violence and chaos to undermine Castro.’ The only plan that would be taboo to the SG – at least until it was a fait accompli – would have been the murder of a foreign head of state. In the words of a former CIA director, ‘The language of the memo speaks for itself. The only thing that Robert Kennedy can be referring to is the assassination of Castro. This paragraph should never have been written.”

“There are no records, however, to show that the Finca Vigia scenario was ever put into action. The next month, other CIA murder plots were reactivated (after a hiatus while the Cuban Project was being built), but none of the players of that era would recall any further action being taken there. Its greatest significance is in establishing the long-obscured Kennedy record on that count, but the Hemingway option would go down as just another on a list of hundreds of others and only serves, in retrospect, to emphasize what an impossible task it was proving to be.”

“John Sherwood, a CIA case officer for the Cuban Task Force, reflected on it years later: ‘We didn’t have any assets what could do anything with this information then. We had a few agents in Cuba who could send us secret-writing intelligence reports. That was it. All kinds of things bubbled up then…No one knew anything. Any information about Castro enetrated the entourage. We never knew where he was.’”

“The March 16, SAG confab provides convincing evidence that the Kennedys were directing the assassination probes; other insiders have since confirmed it. A year later, Joseph Califano (who would become an aide to President Lyndon Johnson) was working as an assistant to Cyrus Vance, the general counselor of the Department of Defense. Joe was also on Bobby’s Cuban Coordinating Committee with Alexander Haig, Jr. and others when, at a meeting attended by the attorney general, Bobby ‘talked about knocking off Castro. I was stunned. He [RFK] was talking so openly, and there were other people in the room.’ The phase ‘knock off’ was clear. It meant to kill, ‘no ifs, and, or butts. No doubt.’” 8

“’Bobby was always for that kind of thing,’ Undersecretary of State George Ball later said, ‘He was fascinated by all that covert stuff, counter-insurgency and all the garbage that went with it.’ 9

“When asked recently about the assassination plotting, Tomas Parrott, the CIA officer assigned to act as secretary to the SGA when such things were discussed, replied, ‘I’m convinced that Bobby knew plenty about it and was the engine behind it to a considerable extent….saying, ‘We don’t care what you do.’ He knew perfectly well, I’m convinced….’”10

“In his autobiography Richard Bissell added his perspective, writing, ‘To understand the Kennedy administration’s obsession with Cuba, it is important to understand the Kennedys, especially Robert. From their perspective, Castro won the first round at the Bay of Pigs…He had defeated the Kennedy team; they were bitter and could not tolerate his getting away with it. The president and his brother were ready to avenge their personal embarrassment by overthrowing their enemy at any cost.’” 11

“Lastly, when the CIA conducted its own ‘after action’ repot of the assassination plots during this period, it concluded: ‘We cannot overemphasize the extent to which responsible Agency officers felt themselves subject to the Kennedy administration’s sever pressures to do something about Castro and his regime. The fruitless, and in retrospect, often unrealistic plotting should be viewed in that light.’” 12

“Most observers agree that what Bobby knew, Jack knew. For the doubters, Thomas Parrott himself would finally concede that ‘We weren’t supposed to admit that our decisions went to the president, but they did.’ 13 In the case of the Hemingway option, the president, in addition to Parrott, was in the room.”

“One month after the SGA meeting, Mary Hemingway was the honored guest at a White House dinner to celebrate the life of her husband. By this time, she may have surmised that her cheerful account of Fidel’s charm and bravery might have been misapplied toward ugly ends. During the course of the evening, she managed to get the president’s attention long enough to express her considered opinion that his confrontational posture toward Cuba was ‘stupid, unrealistic, and worse, ineffective.’”

“Jack was mightily displeased at her insolence, it was said, but not in the least bit deterred. The secret war between the Kennedy and Castro brothers was just hitting its stride.”

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TIME Magazine
Southeast Asia: Family Tradition
Friday, June 29, 1962



Even civilian families no longer find it strange in "peacetime" to have their sons dispatched to the world's remote corners; for service families, the deep U.S. commitment in Southeast Asia is merely the renewal of a tradition. The sixth U.S. fighting man to die in the jungle war since last December, when U.S. "advisers" began to accompany Vietnamese forces into battle, was 1st Lieut. William F. Train III, 24, West Pointer ('58) and son of Major General William Train, commandant of the Army War College at Carlisle Barracks, Pa. Lieut. Train was........

One cannot adequately assess the connection between
the Kennedy Era and Operation Valkyrie without a serious examination of Harry P. Ball
comprehensive book regarding the Army War College - Of Responsible Command especially Chapter 17
entitled In Defense of the Generalist 1961-1966; pps. 303-361; the main figure in that chapter is the aforementioned Gen. William F. Train
the segment above is from a TIME magazine article from 1962.

Some Dramatis Personae from Of Responsible Command
Sec. of the Army - Stephen Ailes
Colonel Donald S. Bussey
Lt. Col. Nels A. Parson [AWC - 1963]
Lt. Col./Col. ? Charles M. Ferguson, Jr.[AWC - 1963]
the latter three were members of the "Committee for Strategic Analysis."

In the words of Train, "Counterinsurgency was also included in the War College program in 1962-63. As a distinct second phase of the course "United States Global Strategic Concepts," two weeks were devoted to the study of counterinsurgency. In the following course, "Strategic Military Capabilities in Selected World Areas" two committees were required to assume the role of country teams and to prepare detailed counterinsurgency plans for selected countries."

Perhaps, of equal interest is the position Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense (Education) Dr. Edward L. Katzenbach, Jr., who is mentioned in Mr. Ball's book.

Chicago Tribune (IL) - April 24, 1974: Katzenbach's brother kills self

CRANBURY, N. J., April 23 [uPI] -- Edward Katzenbach, a deputy assistant secretary of state in the Kennedy administration and brother of former Atty. Gen. Nicholas D. B. Katzenbach, shot himself to death today, his brother said. He "had been depressed with one thing or another and had not been well physically," said Nicholas Katzenbach, attorney general in the Johnson Administration from 1964 to 1966. Edward Katzenbach, 55, was found dead in his bathroom, with a gunshot wound in the head, police said. Katzenbach, a former vice president of the University of Oklahoma, was an executive vice president of American Chronicles Inc. in New York.......And so it goes

Some would end it at that, the above section whether you accept Fletcher Prouty role as a "guide" in understanding the complexities of the CIA/Pentagon intertwining in 1963, I would state to ignore his input

in this matter is synonymous with being clueless.

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Thanks for that Robert, Katz killed himself not far from where I am right now - Cranberry is just down the road.

And might I point out that Mike Rago, who gave me so much trouble on this thread has been exposed as an alias and agent provacateur as I expected.

Kelly's back in town

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Valkyrie II at Dealey Plaza - Updated

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2015/05/valkyrie-ii-at-dealty-plaza.html

Sorry these links don't work but if you go to my blog

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com and http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com

you can get more deep background on this.

Valkyrie at Dealey Plaza

As a research technique, while reading the HSCA volumes, I began opening files on subjects that came up repeatedly in diverse areas - more than twice - taking Ian Fleming's adage - "First time is happenstance, second time is coincidence, but a third time is enemy action."

That's how I got onto Collins Radio, Pan Am Bank of Miami, Southland Center, International Rescue Committee and now Valkyrie.

In the course of my research the Valkyrie plot to kill Hitler has come up five times - in diverse areas and makes me think I may be on to something.

1) The first time the Valkyre plot came up was in a phone conversation I had with Volkmar Schmidt, who acknowledged that in his February 1963 conversation with Oswald at a party at his house, he mentioned the Valkyrie Plot and suggested to Oswald that General Walker should be assassinated as Hitler should have been. Schmidt said he personally knew some of the participants in the Valkyrie plot.

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2008/01/volkmar-schmidt-interview.html

2) Then I read Mary Bancroft's "Autobiography of a Spy," in which she details her role in Valkyrie - assisting Dr. Hans Bernt Gisevius escape and then translating his memoirs.

http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2012/08/mary-bancroft-autobiography-of-spy.html

3) In late September 1963 Ruth Hyde Paine visited her husband Michael's mother - Ruth Forbes Paine Young, who was Mary Bancroft's close friend and traveling companion to Europe. After leaving the Young's residence near Philadelphia Ruth Paine drove to New Orleans and picked up Marina and the rifle and drove them to Texas while Oswald went to Mexico.

4) On the same day Oswald left New Orleans for Mexico, the CIA's Desmond Fitzgerald briefed the Joint Chiefs of Staff - Gen. LeMay presiding - on covert ops against Cuba that needed military assistance - including a plan to adapt the Valkyrie Plot to use against Castro.

(See Higgins Memo - http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2014/04/higgins-memo-numbered-w-bullet-points.html )

5) The 11/22/63 alibi for the owner of the TSBD - D. H. Byrd was that he was on a hunting safari in Africa with a German "Baron" whose father was reported by OSS X-2 to possibly be an "assassination expert" and after World War II lived with one of the ministers selected for the new government after Hitler's overthrow and was a valuable double agent for OSS in Africa who co-authored a manifesto in support of the Valkyrie plotters.

Now my threshold for bingo was three but here we have five separate cases where the Valkyrie plot to kill Hitler comes up in the course of events surrounding the assassination of JFK.

Also see: https://jfkcountercoup.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/valkyrie-at-dealey-plaza/

Now these are not six degrees of separation- they are two degrees - and they are not happenstance or coincidence - but clearly enemy action.

Now I just got James Forman's book "Code Name Valkyrie - Count Von Stauffenberg and the plot to kill Hitler"

http://hub-e.com/content/james-d-forman-fb2-ebook-get-code-name-valkyrie-count-von-stauffenberg-and-plot-kill-hitler

– that notes:

"The plan had a code name Valkyrie, and it would be developed at two levels with two sets of orders. Officially Valkyrie was a scheme to activate units of the Home Army to seize population centers in case of a rebellion by the foreign slave laborer sin Germany. Behind this facade the plan was to evolve into a complete takeover of the government by the Army.

"Phase One - plan for mobilizing the Reserve Army. Purpose: to crush mutiny of slave laborers.

This part of the plan was submitted through channels and approved by Hitler himself.

"Phase Two - the second, secret plan: Item 1- Disposal of Hitler. Item 2 - Preparation of orders upon Hitler's death...Direct the Reserve Army to undertake the following - Occupy first the city of Berlin...Principle objectives: Imprisonment of key Nazi and SS officials, occupation of vital government buildings, railroad stations and other government centers, especially broadcast stations. Immediate command of the mass media, newspapers, wireless radio - cannot be over stressed. The conspiracy alone must speak. Orders from Hitler's East Prussian HQ must be entirely isolated and contained."

"The conspiracy alone must speak."

Another twist to the Valkyrie plan was a Psychwar aspect to blame the assassination of Hitler on the Gestapo and SS as an excuse to round them up.

Forman says that while Dulles agent Gisevius supported the coup he was against the bomb plot. He told Von Stauffenberg "I just I have the feeling we'll never succeed. I'm not speaking through fear. But I have a feeling very few of us will be alive this time next year, regardless of what happens with your bomb."

And he was right.

But the adaption of Valkyrie as carried out at Dealey Plaza succeeded.

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Harlod Byrd's hunting companion Alvensleben may have a Dules connection.

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Rendezvous in Rio 111 grew too hot for them. They knew they could count on old comrades there. Another top Nazi who has become a Brasileiro is Himmler's former adjutant, Baron von Alvensleben. According to recent reports, he is living comfortably in a Rio suburb. Israeli agents who went into Brazil in search of Bormann and Mengele believe several wanted men are hiding on Herbert Cukurs' ranches, protected by barbed wire fences and heavily-armed guards. Cukurs himself has lived in terror since Eichmann was kidnaped. And his fears increased when his name was mentioned at the trial. But he can't afford to disappear like the others. His seaplanes are too valuable to the Nazi underground. As a vital cog in the escape machinery, he must remain in Sao Paulo with his pistol and police bodyguards. Interviewed recently by an American journalist, Cukurs declared: "I do not have the blood of Jews on my hands." In far-off Jerusalem, Adolf Eichmann said the same thing.

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"The plan had a code name Valkyrie, and it would be developed at two levels with two sets of orders. Officially Valkyrie was a scheme to activate units of the Home Army to seize population centers in case of a rebellion by the foreign slave laborer sin Germany. Behind this facade the plan was to evolve into a complete takeover of the government by the Army.

Bill, this sounds a bit like what happened in Indonesia in 1957-58. The generals took over regional centers with the ultimate aim of taking over Sukarno's government (Sukarno was showing worrying signs of turning pinko).

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Valkyrie II at Dealey Plaza - Updated

...In the course of my research the Valkyrie plot to kill Hitler has come up five times - in diverse areas and makes me think I may be on to something.

1) The first time the Valkyre plot came up was in a phone conversation I had with Volkmar Schmidt, who acknowledged that in his February 1963 conversation with Oswald at a party at his house, he mentioned the Valkyrie Plot and suggested to Oswald that General Walker should be assassinated as Hitler should have been. Schmidt said he personally knew some of the participants in the Valkyrie plot.

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2008/01/volkmar-schmidt-interview.html

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But the adaption of Valkyrie as carried out at Dealey Plaza succeeded.

Did somebody mention Ex-General Edwin WALKER?

It is indeed remarkable, William, that the metaphor of the Valkyrie plot of 20 July 1944 to kill Adolf Hitler arises five times in your research of the JFK murder.

It is equally interesting that the first occurrence of this theme in your research, William, would occur in the plot to murder Ex-General Edwin WALKER.

It was a namby pamby plot -- after Lee Harvey OSWALD botched it, all of the plotters ran for the hills and denied everything -- and broke all relations with OSWALD as far as possible.

This includes George De Mohrenschildt and his wife, Jeanne. I presume that Volkmar Schmidt also broke off all relations with Lee OSWALD as well.

Then, as you recognized, Bill, the same Valkyrie plot was successful in the case of JFK. This is an interesting approach to American history.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

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Mae Brussell was the penultimate researcher into ODESSA, and similar areas, and stands in need of updating and fact-checking. My own efforts in this area are well documented on the

Forum. There is one book [below] that mentions Werner Von Alvensleben and Hjalmar Schacht as inhabiting the same Nazi circles.

http://www.amazon.com/German-Big-Business-Rise-Hitler/dp/0195042352

Alvensleben's son, of course was friends with D. H. Byrd and the latter credited Hans Udet as saving him from trouble when he traveled to Germany before Pearl Harbor. A long time ago, I was, and still am, fascinated by Schacht whom, Brussell's was very intrigued by. His [scahcht's] 1963 was, on the surface according to the book Hitler's Banker pretty preoccupied

with trying to put together his career, which had deteriorated seriously. At one point he found himself in Tel Aviv, I think it was, a few years later. He could have been arrested

very easily but wasn't. While I do not believe the German Ex-Nazi's of 1963 were "involved" in Dealey Plaza. They were certainly around.

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Mae Brussell was the penultimate researcher into ODESSA, and similar areas, and stands in need of updating and fact-checking. My own efforts in this area are well documented on the

Forum. There is one book [below] that mentions Werner Von Alvensleben and Hjalmar Schacht as inhabiting the same Nazi circles.

http://www.amazon.com/German-Big-Business-Rise-Hitler/dp/0195042352

Alvensleben's son, of course was friends with D. H. Byrd and the latter credited Hans Udet as saving him from trouble when he traveled to Germany before Pearl Harbor. A long time ago, I was, and still am, fascinated by Schacht whom, Brussell's was very intrigued by. His [scahcht's] 1963 was, on the surface according to the book Hitler's Banker pretty preoccupied with trying to put together his career, which had deteriorated seriously.

At one point he found himself in Tel Aviv, I think it was, a few years later. He could have been arrested very easily but wasn't. While I do not believe the German Ex-Nazi's of 1963 were "involved" in Dealey Plaza. They were certainly around.

There was a time when I was smitten by Mae Brussell's work. The right-wing plot to kill JFK still has wings, IMHO.

Yet we don't need to involve German Ex-Nazi's in the JFK murder -- we had plenty of home-grown right-wing fanatics in 1963 -- especially in Dallas -- that we can name.

It may be worth noting that Edwin Walker's phone call to the German newspaper, Deutsche Nationalzeitung, less than 12 hours after the JFK murder, to boast that the killer of JFK had been his own shooter back in April 1963, could be a major clue.

The Germans lost WW2 decisively -- yet the USA still had a view Nazi sympathizers. They were perhaps most notable in the South, where the cause of Racism was still strong in the USA. George Lincoln Rockwell also circled around Edwin Walker in 1962-1963.

The killers of JFK were not Nazi -- but evidently they had a few Nazi pals still licking their wounds from WW2.

The trouble with Anticommunism during the Cold War was that anybody with a hate-message would simply call their enemies Communist, and get lots of press.

For example, the NAACP and the Civil Rights movement in the USA were regularly called "Communist" by Southern politicians, and especially those on the far right, like George Wallace, John Stennis and Richard Russell. Even J. Edgar Hoover was moved to call the Civil Rights movement "Communist infiltrated".

It was this mood -- this quasi-Nazi mood -- in the USA, especially in the South -- that created an atmosphere in which JFK could easily be lost in the maze, and never emerge.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

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