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Would it be possible to get this tread back on track, reviewing the records of those in the US government who were utilizing aspects of the Valkyrie plot against Castro?

Did anybody find anything more on Higgins, the Colonel who wrote the memo?

Thanks, BK

• 14. General LeMay then questioned the advisability of utilizing a communication technique to install a radio capability which would permit break-in on Castro broadcasts. He stated that an Air Force officer named McElroy was available to talk to Mr. FitzGerald on the matter, and Mr. FitzGerald accepted this offer.

Maj. Gen. Ivan Wilson McElroy, USAF

http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=6387

Ivan Wilson McElroy was born in 1913 in Austin, Texas.

General McElroy received his formal schooling in the Austin public schools, graduating from Austin High School in February 1929. From 1929 through 1933 he studied aeronautical engineering as a student at the University of Texas. During this period he served as a member of Infantry and Cavalry units of the Texas National Guard.

Entering the U.S. Military Academy in July 1933, he was, in June 1937, commissioned a second lieutenant in the field artillery. He entered the Air Corps Flying School and subsequently graduated at Kelly Field, Texas, in October 1938. Transferred to the Air Corps, he was assigned to the 20th Pursuit Group at Barksdale Field, La.

In May of 1941 he was assigned as the group operations officer of the 51st Pursuit Group and accompanied this group to the China-Burma-India Theater of Operations in January 1942. In 1943 and 1944, while operating out of jungle strips in Assam, he commanded the "Burma Banshees" or the 80th Fighter Group, which harassed Japanese activity along the fabled Burma Road and throughout North Burma. It was this group that, on March 27, 1944, intercepted a Japanese raid of 15 bombers and 25 fighters, shot down all 25 fighters and 14 of the 15 attacking bombers without loss of a single airplane or pilot. In the fall of 1944, he returned to the United States.

During the succeeding few years, he commanded fighter bases at Hillsgrove, R.I.; Suffolk Air Base, Long Island, and Seymour Johnson Air Force Base, N.C.

In 1946, he was assigned as senior instructor for the 63rd Air National Guard Wing at Ellington Air Force Base, Texas, and served in this capacity until he entered the Air War College at Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala., in August 1948. Upon graduation, he was assigned as chief, Air Force Plans Branch, War Plans Division, Deputy Chief of Staff Operations, Headquarters U.S. Air Force. In August of 1952, he entered the National War College, Washington, D.C. On graduation in 1953, he again went overseas and served initially as assistant chief of staff for plans and operations with the Third Air Force in England. In 1955, he was assigned as commander of the 81st Fighter Bomber Wing at Bentwaters, England. During his tenure as commander, his wing won the special weapons delivery competition at the Air Force Fighter Weapons Meet at Nellis Air Force Base, Nev.

On return to the United States, he commanded the 49th Tactical Air Division at Bergstrom Air Force Base, Texas, and later the 834th Tactical Air Division at England Air Force Base, La.

During June 1960 he was transferred to Headquarters 12th Air Force for duty as deputy for operations, prior to his assignment to the Recruiting Service in September 1961.

Rated a command pilot, General McElroy holds the Legion of Merit, Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal, Commendation Ribbon with oak leaf cluster, and the Presidential Unit Citation.

(Current as of November 1964)

Does anybody have anything more on McElroy and his Cuban communications project?

And John B., Please don't post any more New World Order BS.

I'd like to keep this topic specific to the document in question.

Thanks,

BK

Well, the whole point of posting the New World Order info was just as an example of the mentality and mindset of JFK's killers. Many on this forum have totally missed the boat regarding the themes originated by Mae Brussell and Bill Turner regarding the absolutely provable fact regarding the participation in the JFK Plot from the Far Right Wing (or the Fahr Reich Wing) if you prefer. Your friend, John Judge, is also a believer in this theory or thesis and supports Mae Brussell's threads in this direction to a great extent as I understand it.

And if you think you, or anyone else for that matter, can even begin to claim expertise in Project Valkyrie (NOT spelled: Valkarie by the way as in the title of this thread, and not even PRONOUNCED to be spelled that way to boot) Val-kye-ree is the correct pronunciation is the correct pronunciation as I understand it. It was led by my great uncle Klaus Schenck von Stauffenberg by the way. In some of his photographs, I bear such a strong familial resemblance that some have said that I am, in fact, his spitting image.

And for you to attempt to explain Project Valkyrie without a single mention

of Major Carleton S. Coon from the OSS, or Allen J. Dulles or "Wild Bill" Donovan is an oversight of major proportions. Do you even know how this concept of the justifiable murder of a Head of State of a foreign government even orginated and who proposed it in the first place?

Do you know how it was bastardized via Murder, Inc. when used against the "Banana Dictators" in Central and South America, by Ulius Amoss, Ray S. Cline and several others through the use of Manchurian Candidate trained and programmed assassins?

And then can you explain how this all led up to the identification of JFK as representing interests inimical to those of the "U.S. Government" by certain Right Wingers, most of whom had been ignominiously drummed out of service to these United States like Charles Willoughby, Douglas MacArthur, and later Allen Dulles, Robert J. Morris and James Angleton plus a whole slew of ex-McCarhtyites who plotted against JFK to continue the battles of Joe McCarthy?

When you and others understand all this, then... and only then can you state

that you understand where Project Valkyrie fits into this whole cascading

sequence of events over at least 2 decades from 1943-1963. And oh, yes don't forget Gen. Smedley Butler and The Plot to Seize the White House. Do you know how that played into both the FDR Plots AND the JFK Plots?

Lemmie know.

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Yeah, there's a deeper story. One aspect, apart from OP V being something originating with Hitlers blessing, and was coopted in the German plots to kill Hitler in order to reach a peace agreement with the allies, and which allies?

In Mein Kamph Hitler clearly states that the ultimate thing was to destroy Bolchevism. This had the blessing of Western 'Allies'. IOW the true Allies of the Western Allies were the Axis. The Soviets knew this very well, and the Germans knew they knew as well, and having fought the first mechanized Blitzkrieg agains Japan as Hitler was building up the base for Operation Barbarossa, which one can argue that the war was all about, and then the Munich agreement which appeased the Isolationists like Lindbergh, Ford, the Bundists and their allies, the KKK, including their exclusion in visits to Hitler by leading US persons, they had the defense ready as well.

Even though Zukhovs Red Army was being redeplyed to the west after defeating the Nippon go-northists and they were stretched thin, the victory of the Soviets started when Op B was launched, when their scorched retreat gradually formed an impenetrable wall by small units fighting town to town, city to city, street by street, from room to room, to death, engaged the Wermacht as the next line was formed by meeting up with the rear 'front'. Hitler appeared to rapidly punch through with victory after victory while all the time he was wandering further into a huge territory that required what became more and more difficult supply lines and the inevitable winter, so when the Soviets struck back against this initially 'triumphant' but tenuous invasion it was just a matter of time. When the tide turned in the grads and the inevitable, inexorable, drive to Berlin began, then and only then Hitlers unwitting reservists invaded.

How many NAZI's fled to moscow??? 0? 1? 1000? ?????

They didn't, they headed West (just like the Whites after defeated by Trotskys Red, except many who got there through China, and were dealt leniently with by the Western section of Neurenburg and many were relocated to the US with officially approved new ID's. The Fourth Reich was on its way. Kennedy stood in their way. (and I wouldn't be surprised if the UK guy who dreamt up OP F also did, but stepped aside and let his attempt disappear.) Then came the Cold war and the dtente-freeze-detente-freeze... leaving the Soviets reeling and spending more and more on the arms race. Third time lucky.

But, it's one thing winning a battle...

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Well, the whole point of posting the New World Order info was just as an example of the mentality and mindset of JFK's killers. Many on this forum have totally missed the boat regarding the themes originated by Mae Brussell and Bill Turner regarding the absolutely provable fact regarding the participation in the JFK Plot from the Far Right Wing (or the Fahr Reich Wing) if you prefer. Your friend, John Judge, is also a believer in this theory or thesis and supports Mae Brussell's threads in this direction to a great extent as I understand it.

BK: John, that New World Order - Eustice Mullen BS needs more than a grain of salt. It's totally BS and doesn't belong in this thread - which is about the quite clear associations between the plot to kill Hitler and the Kennedy assassination. I've asked you once and I'm asking you again to remove it because anyone who attempts to read this thread will stop right there and read no further.

As for St. Mae, she cut to the heart of things and didn't dwell on the right wing or left wing, and I don't either. JFK was killed by people within his own administration, it was a coup d'etat and those who killed him took over the government.

And don't bring John Judge into it. We argue all the time, and he thinks your a nut case, a point we don't argue about.

And if you think you, or anyone else for that matter, can even begin to claim expertise in Project Valkyrie (NOT spelled: Valkarie by the way as in the title of this thread, and not even PRONOUNCED to be spelled that way to boot) Val-kye-ree is the correct pronunciation is the correct pronunciation as I understand it.

I don't claim to be an expert on the event, and didn't know it was called Valkyrie until the movie came out, and I can't change the spelling of the title of the thread, but I spell it correctly in the conent.

I have read some of the few books on it, including one that was translated from the German that I had to order from a special library, and I recognized the similarities between the two coup plans and wrote about it years ago.

It was led by my great uncle Klaus Schenck von Stauffenberg by the way. In some of his photographs, I bear such a strong familial resemblance that some have said that I am, in fact, his spitting image.

I thought you looked more like Tom Cruse.

And for you to attempt to explain Project Valkyrie without a single mention

of Major Carleton S. Coon from the OSS, or Allen J. Dulles or "Wild Bill" Donovan is an oversight of major proportions.

My interest is not to develop an overall synopsis, just draw out the similarities, and see who was behind them. After you eleminate the Eustice Mullen article, or post it on a separate thread, you can tell us all about how Maj. Coon and Donovan were involved.

Do you even know how this concept of the justifiable murder of a Head of State of a foreign government even orginated and who proposed it in the first place?

Please tell us? Brutus?

Do you know how it was bastardized via Murder, Inc. when used against the "Banana Dictators" in Central and South America, by Ulius Amoss, Ray S. Cline and several others through the use of Manchurian Candidate trained and programmed assassins?

And then can you explain how this all led up to the identification of JFK as representing interests inimical to those of the "U.S. Government" by certain Right Wingers, most of whom had been ignominiously drummed out of service to these United States like Charles Willoughby, Douglas MacArthur, and later Allen Dulles, Robert J. Morris and James Angleton plus a whole slew of ex-McCarhtyites who plotted against JFK to continue the battles of Joe McCarthy?

When you and others understand all this, then... and only then can you state

that you understand where Project Valkyrie fits into this whole cascading

sequence of events over at least 2 decades from 1943-1963. And oh, yes don't forget Gen. Smedley Butler and The Plot to Seize the White House. Do you know how that played into both the FDR Plots AND the JFK Plots?

Lemmie know.

I'm trying to make things simple and cut to the heart of the matter, while you're trying to expand the Big Picture outside the theater.

I think those individuals in the CIA/DOD Task Force Alpha who studied the Valkyrie plot to kill Hitler to use against Castro, were the ones who flipped this plan to frame Oswald at Dealey Plaza. That eleminates a lot of people and concentrates on a few - a dozen or so people who were in the CIA and DOD and worked in that office at the Pentagon with Krulak and with FitzGerald at CIA.

If you know somethings about the Valkyrie plot, please tell us, but don't post long, drawn out, BS like Eustice Mullen and expect anybody to read it.

And you haven't answered my other question: Have you read the book on Whitcliff Draper by the Rutgers professor?

Thanks,

BK

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.....As for St. Mae, she cut to the heart of things and didn't dwell on the right wing or left wing, and I don't either. JFK was killed by people within his own administration, it was a coup d'etat and those who killed him took over the government. ......

Thanks,

BK

Bill,

I understand what John is trying to point out, and I understand your concern that his long posts with controversial material considered by many as "fringe", will discourage readership and response to your thread's opening post, but I do not understand your reaction to the core points John makes in his last post, or to the general reaction towards John, since the alternative, IMO, is to believe this "nonsense":

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The ridiculousness of the majority opinion in the 384 reviews of Jonah Goldberg's propaganda book, is of far more concern to me than John's posts on this forum.

I am trying to grasp the meaning of your quoted words, Bill. Would you please explain further? How can the issue of JFK's assassination, not be about "right vs. left"? The modern history of the US is replete with officially (corporatist) sponsored, violent response to any shift to the left...even from right to center right as JFK attempted to do in his final days. Our history is about embracing the right to the point that aligning with fascism and nazism is preferable to any left of center mainstream politics.....

Do you believe the political "center" shifts based on the delusion driven, "tyranny of the majority";

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/200...vage/index.html

Charlie Savage on Obama's embrace of Bush/Cheney "terrorism policies"

.....or, as I, and I assume John does....that fascist and nazi ideology driven plots, just as torture and other crimes against humanity, are what they are, no matter the political party label, those who conspire to commit these crimes, profess to wrap themselves around?

There can be no "right vs. left" to avoid when it comes to the plot to kill JFk, or more generally in US politics, because no "left" has been permitted since, even in the mildest of forms, it was crushed when it last emerged in California in 1934:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&saf...amp;btnG=Search

1934 West Coast waterfront strike

http://books.google.com/books?id=2oS_DhU7z...3&ct=result

Chief Justice: A Biography of Earl Warren - Google Books Result

by Ed Cray - 1997 - Biography & Autobiography - 603 pages

Then on June 2, 1934, less than three months before the primary election, ... out the National Guard to suppress the San Francisco general strike in July

Greg Mitchell: Think This Year's Campaign Is Dirty? Check Out 1934 ...

Alarmed by the Sinclair threat, MGM's Louis B. Mayer and Irving Thalberg produced ... Palmer was advising, even writing speeches for, Sinclair's opponent. ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchel...n_b_139329.html

The Rich & the Super Rich: A Study in the Power of Money Today‎ - Page 173

by Ferdinand Lundberg, Peter Wilsher - Capitalists and financiers - 1968 - 504 pages

"Kennedy, even with no war providing an excuse for a coalition, awarded his chief Cabinet posts to Republicans from the camp of big wealth. ..."

http://www.mises.org/story/910

Left and Right: The Prospects for Liberty

By Murray N. Rothbard

Posted on 3/11/2002

[Originally appeared in Left and Right, Spring 1965, pp. 4-22. The reprint of this article is occasioned by the startlingly uncritical attitude American conservatives have shown toward the consolidation of state power that has been unleashed since the atrocities of September 11.]

....For Conservatism, too, had re-formed and regrouped to try to cope with a modern industrial system, and had become a refurbished mercantilism, a regime of statism marked by State monopoly privilege, in direct and indirect forms, to favored capitalists and to quasi-feudal landlords. The affinity between Right Socialism and the new Conservatism became very close, the former advocating similar policies but with a demagogic populist veneer: thus, the other side of the coin of imperialism was "social imperialism," which Joseph Schumpeter trenchantly defined as "an imperialism in which the entrepreneurs and other elements woo the workers by means of social welfare concessions which appear to depend on the success of export monopolism..." [5]

Historians have long recognized the affinity, and the welding together, of Right-wing socialism with Conservatism in Italy and Germany, where the fusion was embodied first in Bismarckism and then in Fascism and National Socialism: the latter fulfilling the Conservative program of nationalism, imperialism, militarism, theocracy, and a right-wing collectivism that retained and even cemented the rule of the old privileged classes. But only recently have historians begun to realize that a similar pattern occurred in England and the United States. Thus, Bernard Semmel, in his brilliant history of the social-imperialist movement in England at the turn of the twentieth century, shows how the Fabian Society welcomed the rise of the Imperialists in England.....

.....Fascism and Nazism were the logical culmination in domestic affairs of the modern drift toward right-wing collectivism. It has become customary among libertarians, as indeed among the Establishment of the West, to regard Fascism and Communism as fundamentally identical. But while both systems were indubitably collectivist, they differed greatly in their socio-economic content. For Communism was a genuine revolutionary movement that ruthlessly displaced and overthrew the old ruling élites; while Fascism, on the contrary, cemented into power the old ruling classes. Hence, Fascism was a counter-revolutionary movement that froze a set of monopoly privileges upon society; in short, Fascism was the apotheosis of modern State monopoly capitalism. [11] Here was the reason that Fascism proved so attractive (which Communism, of course, never did) to big business interests in the West--openly and unabashedly so in the 1920's and early 1930's. [12]

...Indeed, the New Deal was not a revolution in any sense; its entire collectivist program was anticipated: proximately by Herbert Hoover during the depression, and, beyond that, by the war-collectivism and central planning that governed America during the First World War. Every element in the New Deal program: central planning, creation of a network of compulsory cartels for industry and agriculture, inflation and credit expansion, artificial raising of wage rates and promotion of unions within the overall monopoly structure, government regulation and ownership, all this had been anticipated and adumbrated during the previous two decades. [13] And this program, with its privileging of various big business interests at the top of the collectivist heap, was in no sense reminiscent of socialism or leftism; there was nothing smacking of the egalitarian or the proletarian here. No, the kinship of this burgeoning collectivism was not at all with Socialism-Communism but with Fascism, or Socialism-of-the-Right, a kinship which many big businessmen of the 'twenties expressed openly in their yearning for abandonment of a quasi-laissez-faire system for a collectivism which they could control. And, surely, William Howard Taft, Woodrow Wilson, and Herbert Clark Hoover make far more recognizable figures as proto-Fascists than they do as crypto-Communists.....

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%...napped%201.html

Why Was Patricia Hearst Kidnapped?

(part I)

by Mae Brussell, from The Realist February 1974

....America has hundreds of Dreyfus Affairs going. Latest on the list is the creation of the SLA.

Congress gives the CIA and other intelligence agencies all the money they desire. No questions are asked about how much they receive, much less how it is used. CIA Director William Colby wants to tighten the secrecy, with the threat of a $10,000 fine and ten years in jail, for any Paul Reveres shouting in the dark to wake us up.

Until the present time, the CIA was carefully inconspicuous on the domestic scene. Creation of the SLA provides an excuse for the CIA, and special police forces like the German Gestapo, to step forth publicly and assume control of all law enforcement agencies.

The covert operations and psychological warfare techniques that were used to form the SLA were perfected in Britain and Germany during World War II. After the war, our OSS was converted into the CIA by English and German spy masters.

Right-wing groups such as the American Nazi Party, the Ku Klux Klan, the Minutemen and the National States Rights Party are used as fronts for CIA and FBI operations. The military-intelligence teams give approval, funding, tactical support and protection from arrest.

Mass education, political organization and the attempt to solve economic and social problems are perceived as threats to the status quo. Recommendations for constructive alternatives to unemployment, sickness, hunger and poverty are answered by chaos, violence and racism. it is because the solutions to many problems exist today that armies and propaganda machines must step lip their domestic warfare. Police, prison guards, and intelligence agents flex their muscles and take aim at their victims.

Motives for Creation of the SLA

Fifteen goals were to be achieved by the creation of this elaborate conspiracy. They have all been launched, and a careful observer can see them being implemented in today's news stories....

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%...K%20Assass.html

The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination

Evidence of link between Nazis still in operation after World War II to the still unsolved murder of John F. Kennedy

by Mae Brussell

(from the short-lived Larry Flynt publication The Rebel, January 1984)

....This is a story of how key nazis, even as the Wehrmacht was still on the offensive, anticipated military disaster and laid plans to transplant nazism, intact but disguised, in havens in the West. It is the story of how honorable men, and some not so honorable, were so blinded by the Red menace that they fell into lockstep with nazi designs. It is the story of the Odd Couple Plus One: the mob, the CIA and fanatical exiles, each with its own reason for gunning for Kennedy. It is a story that climaxes in Dallas on November 22, 1963 when John Kennedy was struck down. And it is a story with an aftermath -- America's slide to the brink of fascism. As William L. Shirer, author of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, put it in speaking of the excesses of the Nixon administration, "We could become the first country to go fascist through free elections.".....

Bill please consider that JFK was elected just 26 years after the 1934 coup plot was exposed. We can put in perspective how short the time span between the 1934 plot era and the JFK era was, by simply considering our own perspective, as the Nov., 22, 1963 events exist in our living memory, now 45 years distant. Most of us consider the events we debate here as recent ones.

JFK's presidency operated in a "far right" oriented, "one party with two right wings", political atmosphere, as FDR's did, and as Obama's does today. We need only look at the bi-partisan "American Liberty League" then, or the bi-partisan "consensus" of continued commission of crimes against humanity, in clear violation of US legal foundations and treaty obligations, maintained by the DC political class, today. With 6 percent of the world's population, we in the US incarcerate 25 percent of the world's total prison population. Yhe high incarceration rate and it's racist overtones was not even a recent campaign issue.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAbutlerSD.htm

....Butler pretended to go along with the plot and met other members of the conspiracy. In November 1934 Butler began testifying in secret to the Special Committee on Un-American Activities Authorized to Investigate Nazi Propaganda and Certain Other Propaganda Activities (the McCormack-Dickstein Committee). Butler claimed that the American Liberty League was the main organization behind the plot. He added the main backers were the Du Pont family, as well as leaders of U.S. Steel, General Motors, Standard Oil, Chase National Bank, and Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company.....

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/s...k-NewMasses.pdf

John L. Spivak January 29, 1935

Page 3

"What Butler Really Said"

I said, "Is there anything stirring about it yet."

"Yes," he says;"you watch, in two or three weeks, you will see it come out in the paper. There will be big fellows in it. These are to be the villagers in the opera.

The papers will come out with it." and in about two weeks, the American Liberty League appeared, which was just about what he described it to be. That is the reason I tied

it up with this other thing about Al Smith and some of these other people, because of the names that appeared in connection with this Liberty League. He did not give me the name of it, but he said it would all be made public.....

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=new...307463182876687

LEAGUE IS FORMED TO SCAN NEW DEAL, 'PROTECT RIGHTS'; Smith,...

- New York Times - Aug 23, 1934

Mr. Shouse said that the league had no partisan political purpose, was not inimical to the national ... "Is the league against the New Deal?" he was asked. ...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...promoid=googlep

Monday, Sep. 10, 1973

Go-Getters

By Lance Morrows

THE PLOT TO SEIZE THE WHITE HOUSE

by JULES ARCHER

....In 1933 emissaries purporting to represent an organization called the American Liberty

League approached a retired Marine general named Smedley Darlington Butler. The League was devoted to laissez-faire capitalism and

backed by such people as the Du Ponts and J.P. Morgan. The general was offered an extravagant budget — $3,000,000 for starters,

with a possible $300 million if necessary — to mobilize an army of 500,000 veterans and lead them to Washington, there to force

Roosevelt into accepting "the popular will." The cabal even had a man touring Europe to study the Fascists' success with certain

veterans' groups.......

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,787825,00.html

Monday, May. 07, 1934

Unsuccessful last fortnight were a group of Senate silverites who tried to enlist the support of President Roosevelt for legislation to up the metal's price from 45¢ to $1.29 per oz. by huge treasury purchases. Before their White House visit, however, hard money Senators had already made what they hoped would be a strategic move to head off Inflation by the silver route. Adopted by the Senate was a resolution calling upon Secretary Morgenthau to supply a list of all big silver owners. Unlike gold, silver is not an illegal private possession but if it could be shown that the loudest silverites, in or out of Congress, were also heavy owners of the commodity for private profit, the cause of bimetallism would receive a bad moral tarring before the country.

Last week Secretary Morgenthau submitted his lists. As expected the biggest silver holders turned out to be banks and precious few bankers are silverites. Chase National of Manhattan nominally owned the largest amount (18,000,000 oz.). Since futures for silver are normally higher than spot prices, the banks had bought and stored spot silver while selling equal quantities for future delivery. Such transactions gave them a profit of 2½% on their investment, about five times as much as they could get on other short term investments.

Not a silver Congressman was found on the list. Democrat Joseph Tumulty and the wife of Democrat Jouett Shouse made small headlines as silver owners but neither the onetime secretary to Woodrow Wilson nor the wife of the onetime party manager could be called insiders with the silver bloc. Notable catches were Errett Lobban Cord, member of the Committee for the Nation, owning 1,651,000 oz.; Frank A. Vanderlip Jr., son of another member, owning 300,000 oz.; Amy Collins, treasurer of the Radio League of the Little Flower, mouthpiece for ardent Silverite Father Coughlin, 500,000 oz.; A. Atwater Kent, radio tycoon, 675,000 oz.; Everett Sanders, chairman of the Republican National Committee, 75,000 oz.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,747824,00.html

Monday, Sep. 03, 1934

Prior to March 4, 1933, when a statesman solemnly announced that he favored upholding the Constitution, U. S. citizens quietly turned to their sports pages and forgot him. If he asserted that the Government ought to protect property rights, ought to encourage men to earn, save, acquire and keep property, he could not stir even a flutter of interest. But last week when six eminent gentlemen propounded these propositions they made front-page news. Finally it seemed as if the New Deal were to meet something more potent than the disorganized opposition of Herbert Hoover's well-beaten henchmen.

A strange political nosegay were the six gentlemen:

John William Davis, Democratic nominee for President in 1924, Morgan attorney, a high-minded and thoroughly conservative Democrat.

Jouett Shouse, active head of the Democratic National Committee during the Raskob regime, who, upon his ousting at Chicago, consolidated the Wets for the final drive upon the 18th Amendment.

Alfred Emanuel Smith, most famed Democratic liberal until the New Deal shoved back the liberal frontier and moved out on the Santa Fe trail of experiment.

James Wolcott Wadsworth, well-born Republican conservative who opposed Al Smith in the New York Legislature, served twelve years as a U. S. Senator, started his political career all over again in the House last year and is today probably the most notable member of his party in that chamber.

Nathan Lewis Miller, onetime (1921-23) Republican Governor of New York, who now serves U. S. Steel Corp. as its chief counsel.

Irenee du Pont, of the Delaware du Fonts, Republican in days gone by, but a supporter of Smith in 1928, of Roosevelt in 1932; a generous donor to what he considers worthy causes.....

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,787940,00.html

Monday, Jan. 21, 1935

"The League is in no sense a political party," insisted the American Liberty League's President Jouett Shouse last week. "It has no intention of placing its own candidates in the field for any public office." Just to be on the safe side, however, President Shouse filed with the clerk of the U. S. House the League's annual financial report required of all political organizations under the Federal Corrupt Practices Act. Some League investors:

Irénée du Pont $5,000 Lammot du Pont 5,000 Edward F. Hutton (General Foods) 5,000 Sewell Lee Avery (Montgomery Ward) 5,000 George Monroe Moffett (Corn Products) 5,000 Rufus Lenoir Patterson 2nd (American Machine & Foundry) 5,000 Samuel Bayard Colgate (Colgate-Palmolive-Peet) 5,000 Robert Sterling Clark (broker) . . 4,900 Archibald M. L. du Pont 2,500 Hal Roach (cinema comedies) . . 2,500 William Lockhart Clayton (cotton broker) 1,000 Renée W. Baruch (daughter) . . . 100 Mrs. Clarence Mackay 100

Nothing but their names gave the League's well-to-do founders John W. Davis, James W. Wadsworth and Alfred E. Smith. Founder-President Shouse received a salary of $12,000 for Sept. 15-Dec, 29, plus $6,000 traveling expenses.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...55432-2,00.html

Helpful Harold

Monday, Dec. 16, 1935

...."Liberty League—A term of unconscious humor applied to itself by a group of multimillionaires and their worshipful hangers-on who indignantly insist that the Federal Constitution is an instrument written by Alexander Hamilton for the exclusive protection of large aggregations of property, howsoever acquired.

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,755611,00.html

Monday, Jan. 13, 1936

League's Lenders

All it takes to start a political organization are two members and one slogan. But to keep a political organization alive requires real money. Very much alive, therefore, was the American Liberty League according to its year-end financial report filed with the Clerk of the House of Representatives last week. The League had taken in $483,175.46 in 1935, still had more than $93,000 in the bank.

Biggest single outlay: $36,750 salary and $18,000 expenses for cold-eyed President Jouett Shouse. Biggest single item of income: a $79,750 "loan" from Irenee du Pont. League lenders in the $10,000 class included Lammot, Pierre, S. Hallock and William du Pont, John J. Raskob, Alfred P. Sloan Jr., Ernest T. Weir, Joseph E. Widener, all good haters of the New Deal. In the $5,000 class were Phillips Petroleum Co. and Edward F. ("Let's Gang Up") Hutton.

http://books.google.com/books?q=scripps+%E...nG=Search+Books

The Scripps-Howard press and its United Press wire service, an exception to the

... a story headlined: "Liberty League Controlled by Owners of $37,000,000,000.

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. . . .

"Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there."

-- William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,764913,00.html

Thirteen Families

Monday, Oct. 28, 1940

....He wrote an erudite bombshell of questionable accuracy titled America's 60 Families, watched his subjects squirm while Secretary Ickes and then Assistant Attorney General Jackson quoted it with gusto. Within less than a year the families were sprawled under more powerful microscopes as the Temporary National Economic Committee made a study of corporate practices and controls.

Last week the Securities and Exchange Commission published its report to null a 121-page study of "The Distribution of Ownership in the 200 Largest Non-Financial* Corporations." Based on 1937 figures, it whittled the Lundberg roster to 13 families, was considerably less personal than his census of Du Pont bathrooms, considerably more dogged in tracking down actual shareholdings (Lundberg had estimated fortunes by 1924 tax returns). <h3>It found:

» Of an estimated 8,500,000 U. S. stockholders, less than 75,000 (.06% of the population) own fully one-half of all corporate stock held by individuals. The majority of the voting power in the average large corporation is in the hands of not much over 1% of the shareholders.</h3> But some of the biggest and best-known corporations are exceptions (i.e., widely held, without visible centralized control): A. T. & T., Anaconda, Bethlehem Steel, Eastman Kodak, General Electric, Goodyear, R. C. A., U. S. Steel, Pennsylvania Railroad, etc.....

....» The 13 most potent family groups' holdings were worth $2,700,000,000, comprised over 8% of the stock of the 200 corporations: Fords, $624,975,000; Du Fonts, $573,690,000; Rockefellers, $396,583,000; Mellons, $390,943,000; McCormicks (International Harvester), $111,102,000; Hartfords (A. & P.), $105,702,000; Harknesses (Standard Oil), $104,891,000; Dukes (tobacco, power), $89,459,000; Pews (Sun Oil), $75,628,000; Pitcairns (Pittsburgh Plate Glass), $65,576,000; Clarks (Singer), $57,215,000; Reynolds (tobacco), $54,766,000; Kresses (S. H. Kress), $50,044,000.

» Three groups—Du Fonts, Mellons, Rockefellers—have shareholdings valued at nearly $1,400,000,000, control, directly or indirectly, 15 of the 200 corporations....

*Excluded: banks, trust companies, insurance companies, investment houses.

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.....As for St. Mae, she cut to the heart of things and didn't dwell on the right wing or left wing, and I don't either. JFK was killed by people within his own administration, it was a coup d'etat and those who killed him took over the government. ......

Thanks,

BK

Bill,

I understand what John is trying to point out, and I understand your concern that his long posts with controversial material considered by many as "fringe", will discourage readership and response to your thread's opening post,

THEN YOU WILL START ANOTHER THREAD WITH ANOTHER TOPIC ON THE ISSUE THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS - LIBERAL FASCISM - BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC AT HAND - VALKYRIE AT DP

but I do not understand your reaction to the core points John makes in his last post, or to the general reaction towards John, since the alternative, IMO, is to believe this "nonsense":

TOM, IN THE COURSE OF THE ISSUE OF VALKYRIE AT DEALEY PLAZA, IT IS NONSENSE.

http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-Amer...s/dp/0385511841

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The ridiculousness of the majority opinion in the 384 reviews of Jonah Goldberg's propaganda book, is of far more concern to me than John's posts on this forum.

THEN START A THREAD ON WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO DISCUSS BUT DON'T DO IT HERE.

I am trying to grasp the meaning of your quoted words, Bill. Would you please explain further? How can the issue of JFK's assassination, not be about "right vs. left"?

THOSE WHO KILLED JFK WERE INDIVIDUALS WITH NAMES AND IDENTITIES OTHER THAN RIGHT WING OR LEFT WING OR LIBERALS OR CONSERVATIVES OR DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS - THEY WERE REAL PEOPLE WITH NAMES - PEOPLE WHO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT - AND IF THEY HAPPEN TO BE RIGHT WING OR LEFT WING THEN YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT I'M INTERESTED IN IDENTIFYING THEM FIRST - WHO WERE THE PEOPLE IN THE OFFICES AT DOD AND CIA WHO WERE STUDYING THE VALKYRIE PLOT TO KILL HITLER TO ADAPT TO CASTRO? YOU WANT TO DISCUSS SOMETHING ELSE - START ANOTHER THREAD AND SEE WHO ELSE WHATS TO TALK ABOUT IT.

The modern history of the US is replete with officially (corporatist) sponsored, violent response to any shift to the left...even from right to center right as JFK attempted to do in his final days. Our history is about embracing the right to the point that aligning with fascism and nazism is preferable to any left of center mainstream politics.....

Do you believe the political "center" shifts based on the delusion driven, "tyranny of the majority";

I BELIEVE THAT POLITICAL ASSASSINATION IS ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS THREATS TO EVERY NATIONS NATIONAL SECURITY TODAY AND IT IS SO BECAUSE THE POLITICAL ASSASSINATIONS OF THE SIXTIES WERE ALLOWED TO PASS BY WITHOUT BEING FULLY INVESTIGATED. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEFT WING OR RIGHT WING, LIBERALS OR CONSERVATIVES OR DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS. ITS REAL DEEP POLITICS. AND IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS RIGHT WING FASCISTS WITH JOHN B. DO IT IN ANOTHER THREAD. OKAY?

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/200...vage/index.html

Charlie Savage on Obama's embrace of Bush/Cheney "terrorism policies"

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH VALKYRIE AT DP, THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD?

AND ALL THE REST OF THIS IS BS TOO, AND SHOULD BE IN ANOTHER THEAD.

HAVE YOU EVEN BOTHERED TO READ THIS FROM THE BEGINNING?

PLEASE DON'T BOTHER TO QUOTE MAE BRUSSEL TO ME.

I ACTUALLY KNEW MAE AND SHE CUT TO THE CHASE, DIDN'T BS ABOUT LIBERALS OR CONSERVATIVES, AND SAID THAT DEMOHRENSCHILDTS AND THE PAINES FRAMED OSWALD.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT AND FORGET THE LIBERAL FASCIST BULLxxxx.

BK

.....or, as I, and I assume John does....that fascist and nazi ideology driven plots, just as torture and other crimes against humanity, are what they are, no matter the political party label, those who conspire to commit these crimes, profess to wrap themselves around?

There can be no "right vs. left" to avoid when it comes to the plot to kill JFk, or more generally in US politics, because no "left" has been permitted since, even in the mildest of forms, it was crushed when it last emerged in California in 1934:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&saf...amp;btnG=Search

1934 West Coast waterfront strike

http://books.google.com/books?id=2oS_DhU7z...3&ct=result

Chief Justice: A Biography of Earl Warren - Google Books Result

by Ed Cray - 1997 - Biography & Autobiography - 603 pages

Then on June 2, 1934, less than three months before the primary election, ... out the National Guard to suppress the San Francisco general strike in July

Greg Mitchell: Think This Year's Campaign Is Dirty? Check Out 1934 ...

Alarmed by the Sinclair threat, MGM's Louis B. Mayer and Irving Thalberg produced ... Palmer was advising, even writing speeches for, Sinclair's opponent. ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchel...n_b_139329.html

The Rich & the Super Rich: A Study in the Power of Money Today‎ - Page 173

by Ferdinand Lundberg, Peter Wilsher - Capitalists and financiers - 1968 - 504 pages

"Kennedy, even with no war providing an excuse for a coalition, awarded his chief Cabinet posts to Republicans from the camp of big wealth. ..."

http://www.mises.org/story/910

Left and Right: The Prospects for Liberty

By Murray N. Rothbard

Posted on 3/11/2002

[Originally appeared in Left and Right, Spring 1965, pp. 4-22. The reprint of this article is occasioned by the startlingly uncritical attitude American conservatives have shown toward the consolidation of state power that has been unleashed since the atrocities of September 11.]

....For Conservatism, too, had re-formed and regrouped to try to cope with a modern industrial system, and had become a refurbished mercantilism, a regime of statism marked by State monopoly privilege, in direct and indirect forms, to favored capitalists and to quasi-feudal landlords. The affinity between Right Socialism and the new Conservatism became very close, the former advocating similar policies but with a demagogic populist veneer: thus, the other side of the coin of imperialism was "social imperialism," which Joseph Schumpeter trenchantly defined as "an imperialism in which the entrepreneurs and other elements woo the workers by means of social welfare concessions which appear to depend on the success of export monopolism..." [5]

Historians have long recognized the affinity, and the welding together, of Right-wing socialism with Conservatism in Italy and Germany, where the fusion was embodied first in Bismarckism and then in Fascism and National Socialism: the latter fulfilling the Conservative program of nationalism, imperialism, militarism, theocracy, and a right-wing collectivism that retained and even cemented the rule of the old privileged classes. But only recently have historians begun to realize that a similar pattern occurred in England and the United States. Thus, Bernard Semmel, in his brilliant history of the social-imperialist movement in England at the turn of the twentieth century, shows how the Fabian Society welcomed the rise of the Imperialists in England.....

.....Fascism and Nazism were the logical culmination in domestic affairs of the modern drift toward right-wing collectivism. It has become customary among libertarians, as indeed among the Establishment of the West, to regard Fascism and Communism as fundamentally identical. But while both systems were indubitably collectivist, they differed greatly in their socio-economic content. <h3>For Communism was a genuine revolutionary movement that ruthlessly displaced and overthrew the old ruling élites; while Fascism, on the contrary, cemented into power the old ruling classes. Hence, Fascism was a counter-revolutionary movement that froze a set of monopoly privileges upon society; in short, Fascism was the apotheosis of modern State monopoly capitalism. [11] Here was the reason that Fascism proved so attractive (which Communism, of course, never did) to big business interests in the West--openly and unabashedly so in the 1920's and early 1930's. [12]

...Indeed, the New Deal was not a revolution in any sense; its entire collectivist program was anticipated: proximately by Herbert Hoover during the depression, and, beyond that, by the war-collectivism and central planning that governed America during the First World War. Every element in the New Deal program: central planning, creation of a network of compulsory cartels for industry and agriculture, inflation and credit expansion, artificial raising of wage rates and promotion of unions within the overall monopoly structure, government regulation and ownership, all this had been anticipated and adumbrated during the previous two decades. [13] And this program, with its privileging of various big business interests at the top of the collectivist heap, was in no sense reminiscent of socialism or leftism; there was nothing smacking of the egalitarian or the proletarian here. No, the kinship of this burgeoning collectivism was not at all with Socialism-Communism but with Fascism, or Socialism-of-the-Right, a kinship which many big businessmen of the 'twenties expressed openly in their yearning for abandonment of a quasi-laissez-faire system for a collectivism which they could control. And, surely, William Howard Taft, Woodrow Wilson, and Herbert Clark Hoover make far more recognizable figures as proto-Fascists than they do as crypto-Communists.....

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%...napped%201.html

Why Was Patricia Hearst Kidnapped?

(part I)

by Mae Brussell, from The Realist February 1974

....America has hundreds of Dreyfus Affairs going. Latest on the list is the creation of the SLA.

Congress gives the CIA and other intelligence agencies all the money they desire. No questions are asked about how much they receive, much less how it is used. CIA Director William Colby wants to tighten the secrecy, with the threat of a $10,000 fine and ten years in jail, for any Paul Reveres shouting in the dark to wake us up.

Until the present time, the CIA was carefully inconspicuous on the domestic scene. Creation of the SLA provides an excuse for the CIA, and special police forces like the German Gestapo, to step forth publicly and assume control of all law enforcement agencies.

The covert operations and psychological warfare techniques that were used to form the SLA were perfected in Britain and Germany during World War II. After the war, our OSS was converted into the CIA by English and German spy masters.

Right-wing groups such as the American Nazi Party, the Ku Klux Klan, the Minutemen and the National States Rights Party are used as fronts for CIA and FBI operations. The military-intelligence teams give approval, funding, tactical support and protection from arrest.

Mass education, political organization and the attempt to solve economic and social problems are perceived as threats to the status quo. Recommendations for constructive alternatives to unemployment, sickness, hunger and poverty are answered by chaos, violence and racism. it is because the solutions to many problems exist today that armies and propaganda machines must step lip their domestic warfare. Police, prison guards, and intelligence agents flex their muscles and take aim at their victims.

Motives for Creation of the SLA

Fifteen goals were to be achieved by the creation of this elaborate conspiracy. They have all been launched, and a careful observer can see them being implemented in today's news stories....

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%...K%20Assass.html

The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination

Evidence of link between Nazis still in operation after World War II to the still unsolved murder of John F. Kennedy

by Mae Brussell

(from the short-lived Larry Flynt publication The Rebel, January 1984)

....This is a story of how key nazis, even as the Wehrmacht was still on the offensive, anticipated military disaster and laid plans to transplant nazism, intact but disguised, in havens in the West. It is the story of how honorable men, and some not so honorable, were so blinded by the Red menace that they fell into lockstep with nazi designs. It is the story of the Odd Couple Plus One: the mob, the CIA and fanatical exiles, each with its own reason for gunning for Kennedy. It is a story that climaxes in Dallas on November 22, 1963 when John Kennedy was struck down. And it is a story with an aftermath -- America's slide to the brink of fascism. As William L. Shirer, author of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, put it in speaking of the excesses of the Nixon administration, "We could become the first country to go fascist through free elections.".....

Bill please consider that JFK was elected just 26 years after the 1934 coup plot was exposed. We can put inperspective how small a time span between the 1934 plot era and the JFK era by simply considering our own perspective, as the Nov., 22, 1963 events exist in our living memory, now 45 years distant.

JFK's presidency operated in a "far right" "one party with two right wings", political atmosphere, as FDR's did, and as Obama's does today. We need only look at the bi-partisan "American Liberty League" then, or the bi-partisan "consensus" of continued commission of crimes against humanity, in clear violation of US legal foundations and treaty obligations, maintained by the DC political class, today. With 6 percent of the world's population, we in the US incarcerate 25 percent of the world's total prison population. Yhe high incarceration rate and it's racist overtones was not even a recent campaign issue.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAbutlerSD.htm

....Butler pretended to go along with the plot and met other members of the conspiracy. In November 1934 Butler began testifying in secret to the Special Committee on Un-American Activities Authorized to Investigate Nazi Propaganda and Certain Other Propaganda Activities (the McCormack-Dickstein Committee). Butler claimed that the American Liberty League was the main organization behind the plot. He added the main backers were the Du Pont family, as well as leaders of U.S. Steel, General Motors, Standard Oil, Chase National Bank, and Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company.....

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/s...k-NewMasses.pdf

John L. Spivak January 29, 1935

Page 3

"What Butler Really Said"

I said, "Is there anything stirring about it yet."

"Yes," he says;"you watch, in two or three weeks, you will see it come out in the paper. There will be big fellows in it. These are to be the villagers in the opera.

The papers will come out with it." and in about two weeks, the American Liberty League appeared, which was just about what he described it to be. That is the reason I tied

it up with this other thing about Al Smith and some of these other people, because of the names that appeared in connection with this Liberty League. He did not give me the name of it, but he said it would all be made public.....

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=new...307463182876687

LEAGUE IS FORMED TO SCAN NEW DEAL, 'PROTECT RIGHTS'; Smith,...

- New York Times - Aug 23, 1934

Mr. Shouse said that the league had no partisan political purpose, was not inimical to the national ... "Is the league against the New Deal?" he was asked. ...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...promoid=googlep

Monday, Sep. 10, 1973

Go-Getters

By Lance Morrows

THE PLOT TO SEIZE THE WHITE HOUSE

by JULES ARCHER

....In 1933 emissaries purporting to represent an organization called the American Liberty

League approached a retired Marine general named Smedley Darlington Butler. The League was devoted to laissez-faire capitalism and

backed by such people as the Du Ponts and J.P. Morgan. The general was offered an extravagant budget — $3,000,000 for starters,

with a possible $300 million if necessary — to mobilize an army of 500,000 veterans and lead them to Washington, there to force

Roosevelt into accepting "the popular will." The cabal even had a man touring Europe to study the Fascists' success with certain

veterans' groups.......

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,787825,00.html

Monday, May. 07, 1934

Unsuccessful last fortnight were a group of Senate silverites who tried to enlist the support of President Roosevelt for legislation to up the metal's price from 45¢ to $1.29 per oz. by huge treasury purchases. Before their White House visit, however, hard money Senators had already made what they hoped would be a strategic move to head off Inflation by the silver route. Adopted by the Senate was a resolution calling upon Secretary Morgenthau to supply a list of all big silver owners. Unlike gold, silver is not an illegal private possession but if it could be shown that the loudest silverites, in or out of Congress, were also heavy owners of the commodity for private profit, the cause of bimetallism would receive a bad moral tarring before the country.

Last week Secretary Morgenthau submitted his lists. As expected the biggest silver holders turned out to be banks and precious few bankers are silverites. Chase National of Manhattan nominally owned the largest amount (18,000,000 oz.). Since futures for silver are normally higher than spot prices, the banks had bought and stored spot silver while selling equal quantities for future delivery. Such transactions gave them a profit of 2½% on their investment, about five times as much as they could get on other short term investments.

Not a silver Congressman was found on the list. Democrat Joseph Tumulty and the wife of Democrat Jouett Shouse made small headlines as silver owners but neither the onetime secretary to Woodrow Wilson nor the wife of the onetime party manager could be called insiders with the silver bloc. Notable catches were Errett Lobban Cord, member of the Committee for the Nation, owning 1,651,000 oz.; Frank A. Vanderlip Jr., son of another member, owning 300,000 oz.; Amy Collins, treasurer of the Radio League of the Little Flower, mouthpiece for ardent Silverite Father Coughlin, 500,000 oz.; A. Atwater Kent, radio tycoon, 675,000 oz.; Everett Sanders, chairman of the Republican National Committee, 75,000 oz.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,747824,00.html

Monday, Sep. 03, 1934

Prior to March 4, 1933, when a statesman solemnly announced that he favored upholding the Constitution, U. S. citizens quietly turned to their sports pages and forgot him. If he asserted that the Government ought to protect property rights, ought to encourage men to earn, save, acquire and keep property, he could not stir even a flutter of interest. But last week when six eminent gentlemen propounded these propositions they made front-page news. Finally it seemed as if the New Deal were to meet something more potent than the disorganized opposition of Herbert Hoover's well-beaten henchmen.

A strange political nosegay were the six gentlemen:

John William Davis, Democratic nominee for President in 1924, Morgan attorney, a high-minded and thoroughly conservative Democrat.

Jouett Shouse, active head of the Democratic National Committee during the Raskob regime, who, upon his ousting at Chicago, consolidated the Wets for the final drive upon the 18th Amendment.

Alfred Emanuel Smith, most famed Democratic liberal until the New Deal shoved back the liberal frontier and moved out on the Santa Fe trail of experiment.

James Wolcott Wadsworth, well-born Republican conservative who opposed Al Smith in the New York Legislature, served twelve years as a U. S. Senator, started his political career all over again in the House last year and is today probably the most notable member of his party in that chamber.

Nathan Lewis Miller, onetime (1921-23) Republican Governor of New York, who now serves U. S. Steel Corp. as its chief counsel.

Irenee du Pont, of the Delaware du Fonts, Republican in days gone by, but a supporter of Smith in 1928, of Roosevelt in 1932; a generous donor to what he considers worthy causes.....

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,787940,00.html

Monday, Jan. 21, 1935

"The League is in no sense a political party," insisted the American Liberty League's President Jouett Shouse last week. "It has no intention of placing its own candidates in the field for any public office." Just to be on the safe side, however, President Shouse filed with the clerk of the U. S. House the League's annual financial report required of all political organizations under the Federal Corrupt Practices Act. Some League investors:

Irénée du Pont $5,000 Lammot du Pont 5,000 Edward F. Hutton (General Foods) 5,000 Sewell Lee Avery (Montgomery Ward) 5,000 George Monroe Moffett (Corn Products) 5,000 Rufus Lenoir Patterson 2nd (American Machine & Foundry) 5,000 Samuel Bayard Colgate (Colgate-Palmolive-Peet) 5,000 Robert Sterling Clark (broker) . . 4,900 Archibald M. L. du Pont 2,500 Hal Roach (cinema comedies) . . 2,500 William Lockhart Clayton (cotton broker) 1,000 Renée W. Baruch (daughter) . . . 100 Mrs. Clarence Mackay 100

Nothing but their names gave the League's well-to-do founders John W. Davis, James W. Wadsworth and Alfred E. Smith. Founder-President Shouse received a salary of $12,000 for Sept. 15-Dec, 29, plus $6,000 traveling expenses.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...55432-2,00.html

Helpful Harold

Monday, Dec. 16, 1935

...."Liberty League—A term of unconscious humor applied to itself by a group of multimillionaires and their worshipful hangers-on who indignantly insist that the Federal Constitution is an instrument written by Alexander Hamilton for the exclusive protection of large aggregations of property, howsoever acquired.

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,755611,00.html

Monday, Jan. 13, 1936

League's Lenders

All it takes to start a political organization are two members and one slogan. But to keep a political organization alive requires real money. Very much alive, therefore, was the American Liberty League according to its year-end financial report filed with the Clerk of the House of Representatives last week. The League had taken in $483,175.46 in 1935, still had more than $93,000 in the bank.

Biggest single outlay: $36,750 salary and $18,000 expenses for cold-eyed President Jouett Shouse. Biggest single item of income: a $79,750 "loan" from Irenee du Pont. League lenders in the $10,000 class included Lammot, Pierre, S. Hallock and William du Pont, John J. Raskob, Alfred P. Sloan Jr., Ernest T. Weir, Joseph E. Widener, all good haters of the New Deal. In the $5,000 class were Phillips Petroleum Co. and Edward F. ("Let's Gang Up") Hutton.

http://books.google.com/books?q=scripps+%E...nG=Search+Books

The Scripps-Howard press and its United Press wire service, an exception to the

... a story headlined: "Liberty League Controlled by Owners of $37,000,000,000.

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. . . .

"Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there."

-- William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,764913,00.html

Thirteen Families

Monday, Oct. 28, 1940

....He wrote an erudite bombshell of questionable accuracy titled America's 60 Families, watched his subjects squirm while Secretary Ickes and then Assistant Attorney General Jackson quoted it with gusto. Within less than a year the families were sprawled under more powerful microscopes as the Temporary National Economic Committee made a study of corporate practices and controls.

Last week the Securities and Exchange Commission published its report to null a 121-page study of "The Distribution of Ownership in the 200 Largest Non-Financial* Corporations." Based on 1937 figures, it whittled the Lundberg roster to 13 families, was considerably less personal than his census of Du Pont bathrooms, considerably more dogged in tracking down actual shareholdings (Lundberg had estimated fortunes by 1924 tax returns). <h3>It found:

» Of an estimated 8,500,000 U. S. stockholders, less than 75,000 (.06% of the population) own fully one-half of all corporate stock held by individuals. The majority of the voting power in the average large corporation is in the hands of not much over 1% of the shareholders.</h3> But some of the biggest and best-known corporations are exceptions (i.e., widely held, without visible centralized control): A. T. & T., Anaconda, Bethlehem Steel, Eastman Kodak, General Electric, Goodyear, R. C. A., U. S. Steel, Pennsylvania Railroad, etc.....

....» The 13 most potent family groups' holdings were worth $2,700,000,000, comprised over 8% of the stock of the 200 corporations: Fords, $624,975,000; Du Fonts, $573,690,000; Rockefellers, $396,583,000; Mellons, $390,943,000; McCormicks (International Harvester), $111,102,000; Hartfords (A. & P.), $105,702,000; Harknesses (Standard Oil), $104,891,000; Dukes (tobacco, power), $89,459,000; Pews (Sun Oil), $75,628,000; Pitcairns (Pittsburgh Plate Glass), $65,576,000; Clarks (Singer), $57,215,000; Reynolds (tobacco), $54,766,000; Kresses (S. H. Kress), $50,044,000.

» Three groups—Du Fonts, Mellons, Rockefellers—have shareholdings valued at nearly $1,400,000,000, control, directly or indirectly, 15 of the 200 corporations....

*Excluded: banks, trust companies, insurance companies, investment houses.

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For John Bevilaqua and Tom Scully and those who want to discuss Eustice Mullens and the New World Order and Liberal Fascism.

I don't know what it has to do with the assassination of JFK but it doesn't belong in the Valkyrie at DP thread either.

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Since the CIA/DOD SACSA - Task Force Alpha group, responsible for the Contigency Plans for a Coup in Cuba, studied the Valkyrie plot in order to use it against Castro, they probably requested books and manuscripts on the subject from the Library of Congress.

I wonder if there is a record of who requested certain books and materials on this subject circa 1962-63, to see if there are names of individuals or departments who made the requests.

BK

A History of the German Resistance 1933-1944 by Peter Hoffman (McGill U.)

An indepth look at Valkyrie.

http://books.google.com/books?id=212hoVrF3...=#PRA1-PA365,M1

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USMC General David Monroe Shoup

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Sept. 24, 1963 - FitzGerald Briefing JCS on CIA Cuban Operations:

....12. In response to a comment by General Shoup regarding the sabotage of mines Mr. FitzGerald said there had been a recent case of internal sabotage in a mine. He then explained how the success of his operations can only be measured when internal sabotage is increased. In response to a question, he admitted that there was not any coordination as yet with the internal sabotage program.....

Sept. 24, 1963 - JFK Diary. http://www.jfklibrary.org/White+House+Diar...;m=9&y=1963

President Kennedy names General Wallace M. Greene to succeed General David Shoup, the retiring Commandant of the Marine Corps.

http://www.rense.com/general10/warw.htm

....it is sort of what happened to DAVID SHOUP. he became a non-person after he resigned his office and commission in protest to LBJ's decision to land marines in Danang. imagine, a member of the JCS (joint chiefs of staff), he was commandant of the USMC, resigned in protest. yet, this resignation went down virtually unnoted in the press.

now, who was david monroe shoup? well, as a colonel in the USMC, landed and in charge at Tarawa, he was awarded the medal of honor. david shoup was remarkable in the mid-60's. the only member of the JCS who publicly said, "wrong place, wrong time, wrong war." and who had the cohones to back that opinion up with a resignation. in my view, the only general officer in my lifetime [1947 onwards] with character, integrity.

http://www.slate.com/discuss/forums/thread/1069911.aspx

Free Thinking, Tarawa and the Red Dot

by Tyrtaios-rising

what some of us call fourth generation warfare. It pits those relatively young officers, that have fought in Afghanistan, Iraq or have run naval operations in theater, against the institutional thinkers.In the middle are the mid-level, or field grade who aspire to reach the stars. They realize, as do their superiors, fourth generation warfare does little to increase turf and budgeting. This relegates our company grade officers to polite discussion at happy hour, as they are shuttled into irrelevence.

Those with mentors are reminded on how the game is played once again. Something that is instilled in them from day one out of officer candidate school. The mindset is about not questioning rules, offering radical ideas in military journals, and questioning doctrine. Afterall, it's all above your pay grade lieutenant or captain!

Unfortunately, by the time they too are generals, they do not speak up for what is right, but go along with the prevailing wind. Another challange is money. It is the root of all evil. I've read our Pentagon now controls the worlds largest planned economy. Our service chiefs become consumed with budgeting - not war fighting.

Let me leave you with a story. During the early days of JFK's administration, he was getting briefed by the JCS on invading Cuba. When it came time for the Commandant of the Marine Corps, then Lietuenant General Shoup, who was sitting in as a courtesy in those days,the General put a map of Cuba up, imposed the state of Rhode Island inside, and further put a red dot inside that.

When asked what the red dot was, the General stated, this was Tarawa,( he was awarded the Medal of Honor there), and made the case against it. The president could see it was folly, for a time anyway.

General Shoup became John F.Kennedy's favorite that day. Our president, of that time, encouraged free thinking! Our next president must do the same thing. He must also make the case to the American tax payer, what role our military is to play in protecting our legitimate interests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Shoup

General David Monroe Shoup (December 30, 1904 – January 13, 1983) was a World War II Medal of Honor recipient and the twenty-second Commandant of the United States Marine Corps (January 1, 1960 – December 31, 1963). After his retirement, he was a vocal critic of the Vietnam War.

Shoup was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions leading the USMC assault at Tarawa in the South Pacific on November 21 – 22, 1943. In one dispatch from the front Shoup reported - “Our casualties heavy. Enemy casualties unknown. Situation: we are winning.”

…Lieutenant General Shoup was nominated by President Dwight D. Eisenhower on August 12, 1959 to be the 22Commandant of the Marine Corps. Upon assuming his post he was promoted to four-star rank.

His time in office saw the beginning of limited operations in Vietnam with Marine helicopter unites flying from Soc Trang, an abandoned airstrip south of Saigon.

General Shoup retired to Arlington, Virginia, in 1963.

He publicly supported the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) VVAW by 1971. In May 1966, he said about the building war in Vietnam:

"I believe if we had, and would, keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-crooked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own. That they design and want. That they fight and work for... and not the American style, which they don't want. Not one crammed down their throats by the Americans."

This statement ties back to an assessment made by Shoup that "in every case... every senior officer that I knew... said we should never send ground forces into Southeast Asia."

General Shoup died on January 13, 1983 after a long illness and was buried in Arlington National Cemetery.

"Wrong place, wrong time, wrong war." - Gen. Shoup.

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Apart from the staybehinds, the importation of NAZI's to the US and the Ratlines to South America, there was another Raten escape line (RatLine) to the southern mideast. Cairo?

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...In his review of the movie, Phil Villarreal notes that "There is a certain satisfaction in watching the plot come together. Amazingly it was actually Hitler who signed off on his own potential death warrent by authorizing changes in a contingency plan that set reserve troops into action to suppress a government takeover. Von Stauffenberg and his confederates wanted to use the troops to stifle the SS after Hitler's death." (9)

Indeed. Besides the characters involved in both Valkyrie and Dealey Plaza, an attribute of the Valkarie plot adapted into the Dealy Plaza plot was a Northwoods false flag variation to blame the assassination on the opposition (the SS and Castro), and having the intended victim actually administratively approve the operation.

They convinced Hitler to alter the contingency plan in a national emeregency, what we now know as the Continunity of Government (COG) to allow for the change in leadership in the event of Hitler's assassination, thus getting him to sign his own death warrent, which he escaped.....

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Apparently the Valkyrie movie is based on Gisevius' book "To the Bitter End," which has been reissued in abridged form. Allen Dulles writes the forward to the original 1948 edition.

Also note that Gisevius, after testifying at Nurenburg, moved to DC where he lived with Tom Braden and his family (Eight Is Enough), and then, according to this article by Richard Bartholomew and Walter F. Graf, he worked for Dresser Industries in Texas.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:URVQdo...;cd=1&gl=us

...." Dulles' OSS colleague and mistress, Mary Bancroft, reported to Dulles that she had asked the question of Nazi intelligence official and Hitler assassination plotter Hans Bernd Gisevius: "Did Wolff kill Heydrich?" Bancroft also revealed that while Dulles was negotiating the German mass surrender in Italy, Wolff had a friendly visit with him at his Zurich apartment. Given Bancroft's subtle, yet startling, revelations about Hans Gisevius and Ruth Paine (see below), was she trying to tell us something about a connection between Dulles, the Heydrich assassination and the JFK assassination? (Mary Bancroft, Autobiography of a Spy [New York: William Morrow, 1983] pp. 193, 289; hereafter cited as Bancroft 193, 289. Letters from Walter Graf to Richard Bartholomew, Jul. 13, and Aug. 2, 1993, and Mar. 3, 1997). ....

....Dulles' informant within the Hitler assassination conspiracy was Hans Bernd Gisevius, one of its rare, high-level survivors. In later years, with substantial help from his friend Dulles, assassination plotter Gisevius traveled to Washington D.C., then to Texas where he became employed at Dresser Industries, the Dallas-based oil equipment company. Dulles and Gisevius were assisted in the Hitler plot by Dulles' wartime mistress, Mary Bancroft, who was Ruth Forbes Paine's close friend. Paine's son, Michael, became involved in the JFK assassination due largely to his 1963 housemate, Volkmar Schmidt. Oswald's CIA friend, George de Mohrenschildt, had introduced Oswald to Schmidt who, in turn, arranged for Oswald to meet Michael Paine and his wife, Ruth Hyde Paine. The latter Ruth Paine helped arrange Oswald's fateful employment at the TSBD. Before coming to the U.S. in the fall of 1961, Schmidt had lived in Germany. There, Schmidt had lived with and studied under another rare 20th-of-July-plot survivor, Wilhelm Kuetemeyer. From 1958 to 1967, master spy and assassination plotter Bancroft (by then the mistress of Life magazine publisher Henry Luce), "worked with JFK and RFK on campaigns and corresponded with them." Ms. Bancroft, 93, died in New York City on Jan. 10, 1997, having never been subpoenaed under ARCA.....

Of course, Linda Minor nails the Dresser/Gisevius connection:

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:JG37Tl...;cd=1&gl=us

And the OSS Reborn promoting the book:

http://www.ossreborn.com/index_files/34.html

http://www.ossreborn.com/

Valkyrie - An Insider's Account of the Plot to Kill Hitler05 December 2008 By Hans Bernd Gisevius

Da Capo Press

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When on July 20, 1944, a bomb—boldly place inside Hitler's headquarters by Colonel Claus Count von Stauffenberg—exploded without killing the Führer, the subsequent coup d'état against the Third Reich, codenamed Valkyrie, collapsed. The conspirators were summarily shot or condemned in show trials and sadistically hanged.

One of the few survivors of the conspiracy was Hans Bernd Gisevius , who had used his positions in the Gestapo and the Abwehr (military intelligence) to further the anti-Nazi plot. He knew well or had met the major figures involved in planning Valkyrie, including General August Beck, Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, Colonel Hans Oster, and von Stauffenberg. The conspiracy was widespread, involving a wide circle of former politicians, diplomats, and government officials as well as senior military men. The anti-Hitler movement, largely motivated by moral outrage than by political expediency, had started as early as 1933 and involved several putsches and assassination attempts.

Valkyrie, an abridgment of Gisevius's classic insider's account To the Bitter End, is an intimate memoir as riveting as it is exceptional.

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The 'anti Hitler movement', (if there ever was such a thing that could be put under one umbrella (which seems rather convenient here)), started way before then, in the early 20's. The last major bulwark to fall was the German Communist Party, who (pre Hitlers Dictatorship, ie a coup d'e'tat), rivaled the NAZI's in popular support. The >NAZI's< aim in killing Hitler (in the RASTENBURG ASSASSINATION PLOT, where OP VALKYRIE was to play a part) was reaching a peace agreement with the Western Allies, NOT out of any moral outrage. Definitely expediency.

The Nazi's and the Western allies ( Fascism is the form that speculative false economy Capitalism takes as it dives into hyper inflation, credit squeeze and economic/market depression and over supply ) were on the same side politically, but not so for the cannon fodder, they were fed with propaganda about the great courageous Soviets who they should help, and thus became the reservists should the NAZI's fail, as the Nippon Go-Northists did pre OP BARBAROSSA, thus drawing the US cannon fodder into the war.

Then, after stalling the victorious Soviets, as they turned their attention back to Japan, Truman gave the nod to the needless slaughter in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and, suddenly, the Soviets were no longer 'Uncle Joe buddies', but quickly became the Evil Empire to be stopped at any cost. (it always was, the spoon fed bent 'histories' morphed continually) In fact the stopping of the Soviets (grassroot worker cells, (based on the lessons of the Paris Commune) Union of socialist worker cell based republics - CCCP, USSR)) was a major concern for the Western allies all along, with odd changes in battle orders towards the end, as the Soviets relentlessly slog their way to victory and the Western Allies race to meet them with RELATIVELY VERY LITTLE resistance and loss of life. The movie Valkyrie is just a movie.(about Tom Cruise). The movie Downfall is much more authentic.

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/battles_berlin.html . There's also OP BLAU (blue) I, II and III.(III - OP CLAUSWITZ, enacted in the last few days. (Then (c-oink-identically) came Walkers/JBCs 'pro blue', again about destroying the Soviets. However, by this time, a relatively intelligent, humane and sane President of the USofA happened to stand in the way.)

Cannon Fodder of the World, UNITE!

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The 'anti Hitler movement', (if there ever was such a thing that could be put under one umbrella (which seems rather convenient here)), started way before then, in the early 20's. The last major bulwark to fall was the German Communist Party, who (pre Hitlers Dictatorship, ie a coup d'e'tat), rivaled the NAZI's in popular support. The >NAZI's< aim in killing Hitler (in the RASTENBURG ASSASSINATION PLOT, where OP VALKYRIE was to play a part) was reaching a peace agreement with the Western Allies, NOT out of any moral outrage. Definitely expediency.

The Nazi's and the Western allies ( Fascism is the form that speculative false economy Capitalism takes as it dives into hyper inflation, credit squeeze and economic/market depression and over supply ) were on the same side politically, but not so for the cannon fodder, they were fed with propaganda about the great courageous Soviets who they should help, and thus became the reservists should the NAZI's fail, as the Nippon Go-Northists did pre OP BARBAROSSA, thus drawing the US cannon fodder into the war.

Then, after stalling the victorious Soviets, as they turned their attention back to Japan, Truman gave the nod to the needless slaughter in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and, suddenly, the Soviets were no longer 'Uncle Joe buddies', but quickly became the Evil Empire to be stopped at any cost. (it always was, the spoon fed bent 'histories' morphed continually) In fact the stopping of the Soviets (grassroot worker cells, (based on the lessons of the Paris Commune) Union of socialist worker cell based republics - CCCP, USSR)) was a major concern for the Western allies all along, with odd changes in battle orders towards the end, as the Soviets relentlessly slog their way to victory and the Western Allies race to meet them with RELATIVELY VERY LITTLE resistance and loss of life. The movie Valkyrie is just a movie.(about Tom Cruise). The movie Downfall is much more authentic.

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/battles_berlin.html . There's also OP BLAU (blue) I, II and III.(III - OP CLAUSWITZ, enacted in the last few days. (Then (c-oink-identically) came Walkers/JBCs 'pro blue', again about destroying the Soviets. However, by this time, a relatively intelligent, humane and sane President of the USofA happened to stand in the way.)

Cannon Fodder of the World, UNITE!

John, I'm not so much concerned with the history of the anti-Hitler movement, as there has been much written about that. I also understand that the movie Valkyrie is just a movie about Tom Cruise, but it has called attention to the plot to kill Hitler that is directly related to what happened at Dealey Plaza.

For one, Volkmar Schmidt, two weeks before Oswald ordered the alleged assassination rifle, suggested to the accused assassin that Walker should be killed much like Hitler should have been assassinated.

At the same time, we learn, that the CIA/DOD Task Force on Cuba was studying the Valkyrie plot to use against Castro.

And then, after JFK is killed, we find that four people connected to Oswald and the assassination were actively involved or connected to the Valkyrie plot, including Schmidt, Mary Bancroft, Gisevius and Dulles.

Gisevius was actually in Dallas working for Dresser Industries at the time, and he wrote the book that the movie was based on, and apparently one of the works being studied by the CIA/DOD TF on Cuba.

Aspects of the Valkryie plot that were adapted for the plot against Castro, and apparently utilized at Dealey Plaza, included getting the President to sign off on specific covert maritme operations against Cuba, certain Contingency plans for the Continuity of Government in the case of national emergency, and the Northwoods style black propaganda op to blame the event on Castro.

Am I the only person who is interested in developing this, knowing that it leads directly to those responsible for planning the assassination?

BK

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The 'anti Hitler movement', (if there ever was such a thing that could be put under one umbrella (which seems rather convenient here)), started way before then, in the early 20's. The last major bulwark to fall was the German Communist Party, who (pre Hitlers Dictatorship, ie a coup d'e'tat), rivaled the NAZI's in popular support. The >NAZI's< aim in killing Hitler (in the RASTENBURG ASSASSINATION PLOT, where OP VALKYRIE was to play a part) was reaching a peace agreement with the Western Allies, NOT out of any moral outrage. Definitely expediency.

The Nazi's and the Western allies ( Fascism is the form that speculative false economy Capitalism takes as it dives into hyper inflation, credit squeeze and economic/market depression and over supply ) were on the same side politically, but not so for the cannon fodder, they were fed with propaganda about the great courageous Soviets who they should help, and thus became the reservists should the NAZI's fail, as the Nippon Go-Northists did pre OP BARBAROSSA, thus drawing the US cannon fodder into the war.

Then, after stalling the victorious Soviets, as they turned their attention back to Japan, Truman gave the nod to the needless slaughter in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and, suddenly, the Soviets were no longer 'Uncle Joe buddies', but quickly became the Evil Empire to be stopped at any cost. (it always was, the spoon fed bent 'histories' morphed continually) In fact the stopping of the Soviets (grassroot worker cells, (based on the lessons of the Paris Commune) Union of socialist worker cell based republics - CCCP, USSR)) was a major concern for the Western allies all along, with odd changes in battle orders towards the end, as the Soviets relentlessly slog their way to victory and the Western Allies race to meet them with RELATIVELY VERY LITTLE resistance and loss of life. The movie Valkyrie is just a movie.(about Tom Cruise). The movie Downfall is much more authentic.

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/battles_berlin.html . There's also OP BLAU (blue) I, II and III.(III - OP CLAUSWITZ, enacted in the last few days. (Then (c-oink-identically) came Walkers/JBCs 'pro blue', again about destroying the Soviets. However, by this time, a relatively intelligent, humane and sane President of the USofA happened to stand in the way.)

Cannon Fodder of the World, UNITE!

John, I'm not so much concerned with the history of the anti-Hitler movement, as there has been much written about that. I also understand that the movie Valkyrie is just a movie about Tom Cruise, but it has called attention to the plot to kill Hitler that is directly related to what happened at Dealey Plaza.

For one, Volkmar Schmidt, two weeks before Oswald ordered the alleged assassination rifle, suggested to the accused assassin that Walker should be killed much like Hitler should have been assassinated.

At the same time, we learn, that the CIA/DOD Task Force on Cuba was studying the Valkyrie plot to use against Castro.

And then, after JFK is killed, we find that four people connected to Oswald and the assassination were actively involved or connected to the Valkyrie plot, including Schmidt, Mary Bancroft, Gisevius and Dulles.

Gisevius was actually in Dallas working for Dresser Industries at the time, and he wrote the book that the movie was based on, and apparently one of the works being studied by the CIA/DOD TF on Cuba.

Aspects of the Valkryie plot that were adapted for the plot against Castro, and apparently utilized at Dealey Plaza, included getting the President to sign off on specific covert maritme operations against Cuba, certain Contingency plans for the Continuity of Government in the case of national emergency, and the Northwoods style black propaganda op to blame the event on Castro.

Am I the only person who is interested in developing this, knowing that it leads directly to those responsible for planning the assassination?

BK

Of course not.

I am adding this because it may be helpful in getting a picture of the various Departmental positions, ideally it would have been circa November 1963, but I felt that it was still worth mentioning.

Government Personnel As of July 22, 1961

DCI Director of Central Intelligence Allen Dulles

DDCI Deputy Director of Central Intelligence Charles Pearce Cabell

DD/P Deputy Director Plans Richard Bissell

A/DDP/A Assistant Deputy Director Plans Tracy Barnes

COPS Chief of Operations (Plans) Richard Helms

C/WH Chief Western Hemisphere Division J.C. King

C/WH/4 Chief Cuba Task Force Jacob D. Esterline

C/WH/4/PM Chief, Paramilitary Cuba Task Force Jack Hawkins

D/WH/4 Deputy Chief Cuba Task Force Edward Stanulis

COPS/WH/4 Chief of Operations Cuba Task Force, Richard Drain

C/WH/4/PP Chief Propaganda Cuba Task Force, David Atlee Phillips

AC/DCP Acting Chief Developmental Projects Division (Air) Stanley Beerli

C/FA/WH/4 Chief Political Affairs Officer Gerald Droller aka Frank Bender

C/PI/WH/4 Chief, Foreign Intelligence Cuba Task Force, Bernard Reichardt

PP/PM/WH/4 Propaganda Officer E. Howard Hunt

C/SPU/WH/4/PM Chief, Strikes and Plans Unit, Cuba Task Force, Frank Egan

C MARITIME OPS Chief of Maritime Operations Captain Jacob Scapa

COB/WH/4 Chief of Base Miami Robert Reynolds

C.G. Commandant General United States Marine Corps David Shoup

I.G. CIA Inspector General Lyman Kirpatrick

The above is From CD Harvey & Lee under date above in timeline

Also

the document below can provide some clarity re the latter.

PRESIDENT'S FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE ADVISORY BOARD AGENDA FOR MEETING OF NOVEMBER 21-22, 1963

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=1

An excerpt from this document was posted by myself today on the Crash of the U-2 thread.

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Robert wrote: I am adding this because it may be helpful in getting a picture of the various Departmental positions, ideally it would have been circa November 1963, but I felt that it was still worth mentioning.

Government Personnel As of July 22, 1961

DCI Director of Central Intelligence Allen Dulles

DDCI Deputy Director of Central Intelligence Charles Pearce Cabell

DD/P Deputy Director Plans Richard Bissell

A/DDP/A Assistant Deputy Director Plans Tracy Barnes

COPS Chief of Operations (Plans) Richard Helms

C/WH Chief Western Hemisphere Division J.C. King

C/WH/4 Chief Cuba Task Force Jacob D. Esterline

C/WH/4/PM Chief, Paramilitary Cuba Task Force Jack Hawkins

D/WH/4 Deputy Chief Cuba Task Force Edward Stanulis

COPS/WH/4 Chief of Operations Cuba Task Force, Richard Drain

C/WH/4/PP Chief Propaganda Cuba Task Force, David Atlee Phillips

AC/DCP Acting Chief Developmental Projects Division (Air) Stanley Beerli

C/FA/WH/4 Chief Political Affairs Officer Gerald Droller aka Frank Bender

C/PI/WH/4 Chief, Foreign Intelligence Cuba Task Force, Bernard Reichardt

PP/PM/WH/4 Propaganda Officer E. Howard Hunt

C/SPU/WH/4/PM Chief, Strikes and Plans Unit, Cuba Task Force, Frank Egan

C MARITIME OPS Chief of Maritime Operations Captain Jacob Scapa

COB/WH/4 Chief of Base Miami Robert Reynolds

C.G. Commandant General United States Marine Corps David Shoup

I.G. CIA Inspector General Lyman Kirpatrick

THANK YOU ROBERT. HERE'S THE JCS ACCESS LIST OF CUBA OPS PLAYERS

OCTOBER, 1963 - Though Shoup's replacement was named on Sept. 24, he remained on the list into 1964.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=3

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DOD Access List – Cuba Planning

21 October 1963

DOD ACCESS LIST – CUBA PLANNING

Chairman's Office

General Taylor

Maj Gen Goodpaster

Col Roger

Mr. R. Day

Mr. F. Kearney

Lt. Col Smith

Director's Office

VAdml Riley

Maj Gen Reynolds

Maj Gen Manhart

Col Erwin

Lt Col Hutchins

LCdr Hilton

Maj Dorsey

Secretary's Office

Brig Gen Ingelido

Col Forbes

Capt Law

Miss Ruth Hunter

SACEA

Maj Gen Krulak

Col Higgins

Col. Xxxx – Strozier

Capt Eggeman

Col Wyman

Col Hawkins

Miss Grace Sciacca

Mrs. Carolyn Kercheval

Miss Linda Sadler

Cpl Gould

DOD Executive Agent

For Cuban Affairs

Secretary Vance

Mr. Califano

Lt Col Haig

Miss Myrtle Davis

CINCLANT

Adm H. F. Smith

VAdm R.C. Needham \

RAdm J.W. Leverton

Capt J.E. Pond

Capt F.E. Hartman

Capt L. A. Kurtz

Lt Col M.A. Foster, USAF

Cmdr F. J. Winkerhieser

Army

Gen. Wheeler

Lt Gen Johnson

Maj Gen Alger

Col Blanchard

Col Bond

Lt Col Baldwin

Lt Col Woolard

Lt Col Garrett

Mrs. Marie Nier

Miss Mary Hnnig

Navy

Adm McDonald

VAdm Ward

VAdm Ramidge

RAdm Jackson

RAdm Taylor

RAdm Stream

Capt Packard

Capt Hatch

LCdr Bublitz

LCdr Saunders

Lt Dahl

Mr. DeMille (CIV)

YNC Hover

Air Force

Gen LeMay

Lt Gen Burchinal

Maj Gen Carpenter

Maj Gen Worden

Col Van Duyn

Lt Col Christensen

Lt Col Puchrik

Maj Stutzer

Miss Spruill

Marine Corps

Gen Shoup

Lt Gen Hayes

Lt Gen Greene

Maj Gen Buse

Brig Gen xxxx Quilter

Col Simmons

Lt Col Finn

J-3

Maj Gen Unger

RAdm Chew

Capt Moody

Capt Turner

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