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Frames for Bill.

No,

I did not scale my frames.

My comparison consists of both frames captured as scaled 4/3.

Then had to change the aspect ratio on my frame only to: 110W x 105 H to fit existing Z frame.

In this case, I'm more concerned about the relationship between sprocket holes to main frame.

chris

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Let me see if I have this straight ... you want to believe that so much alteration was done on the Zapruder film with a line of people along the north side of Elm Street because they are not moving around enough to suit you - that the film alterers were able to take Hill and Moorman from the street and place them on the grass and somehow did a beautiful job of creating lower legs that would have been blocked from view if they had been in the street ... but these film alterers felt it necessary to remove the Newman's so to make the alteration easier - please tell me that I am having a bad dream!

Sweet mother of God ... did the critical thinker (Fetzer) give his blessing to that nonsense??? All I can say is that it is a good thing that inventing such ridiculous poorly thought out claims isn't a hangable offense.

son, this entire topic has given you new meaning in life, who are you kidding, your having a bad dream..... LMFAO! Now, as far as getting anything straight, forget it...... when one has no conception at all as to what film matte making and printing entails or what optical film and aerial printing entails you get that dazed look. For that matter all Lone uts on this and other boards suffer the same....Just why do you think I withdrew my recommendation for your employment at Adobe Systems... You'd be laughed right out of the bldg.....

Ahhhh, stifle opinion, the latest Lone Nut scourge, what a bane you are to this community. Do your parents know where you are, son? Lamson get over here! We need the Lone Nut Varsity.... for every step you take forward, Miller drags your rear-end back about 5, we want an enlightening debate.....

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Now, as far as getting anything straight, forget it...... when one has no conception at all as to what film matte making and printing entails or what optical film and aerial printing entails you get that dazed look.

Well that explains your drunken dufus look. :ice Is there anyone with compositing experience who has said the assassination films could have all been altered without forensic testing being able to detect it???

Bill Miller

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Why don't you take a look at Groden's best version of Bell, and see if you can find Charles Hester running in it.

chris

I don't get it... What I see is exactly what Wiegman's film showed and that was Hester hurrying over to the colonnade presumably so to look out the windows. The Bell film captures Hester just before he got off the ground and someone walking into the colonnade area. The Wiegman film is shot at a different angle, thus the walking man isn't visible in Wiegman's film. So what don't you understand?

Bill,

Maybe this will help.

Charles Hester is at the colonnade and Beatrice is starting to rise.

This is about the same moment in time between both frames.

That is a newspaper in front of Beatrice.

Take a look at the Couch film and you'll see one of them pick the paper up.

Bronson also shows them with a newspaper.

chris

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Why don't you take a look at Groden's best version of Bell, and see if you can find Charles Hester running in it.

chris

I don't get it... What I see is exactly what Wiegman's film showed and that was Hester hurrying over to the colonnade presumably so to look out the windows. The Bell film captures Hester just before he got off the ground and someone walking into the colonnade area. The Wiegman film is shot at a different angle, thus the walking man isn't visible in Wiegman's film. So what don't you understand?

Bill,

Maybe this will help.

Charles Hester is at the colonnade and Beatrice is starting to rise.

This is about the same moment in time between both frames.

That is a newspaper in front of Beatrice.

Take a look at the Couch film and you'll see one of them pick the paper up.

Bronson also shows them with a newspaper.

chris

Chris...in my opinion, Mrs Hester may have been holding a sign, not a newspaper.

Jack

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Another one for positioning.

chris

Chris...instead of twisting YOUR frame, leave your frame level and TWIST THE Z FRAME T FIT YOURS.

That will show Mary and Jean both listing badly to portside instead of being ERECT like frozen turkeys.

Jack

And why do you think Chris's frame is level?

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Another one for positioning.

chris

Chris...instead of twisting YOUR frame, leave your frame level and TWIST THE Z FRAME T FIT YOURS.

That will show Mary and Jean both listing badly to portside instead of being ERECT like frozen turkeys.

Jack

Jack,

How about this instead.

Panning a car going down Elm St.

chris

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The frame on the top left is from Groden's uncut version and at right is the MPI version.(so called original).

That black vertical pole and vertical box to it's immediate left, on the corner of Houston and Elm seems very troublesome.

I guess I wasn't the only one having problems keeping objects level to the horizon.

Of course, that's if you believe the background is the same, also.

chris

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The frame on the top left is from Groden's uncut version and at right is the MPI version.(so called original).

That black vertical pole and vertical box to it's immediate left, on the corner of Houston and Elm seems very troublesome.

I guess I wasn't the only one having problems keeping objects level to the horizon.

Of course, that's if you believe the background is the same, also.

chris

You realize that one is a copy off a film and the other is pictures of a film strip - right? Have you attempted to look for any known causes for what you see??

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