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Connie Trammell was first interviewed by the FBI, 20dec63 due to her name

and phone number appearing in Ruby's address book.

Connie's story version one:

Connie stated that in April, she and fellow students from the University

of Texas School of Journalism came to Dallas in connection with a boat

show. They stayed at the Adolphus, and went to the Carousel for a party.

She met JR at that time, and had a lengthy conversation with him.

She graduated, then, after returning to her home in Arkansas for a short

period, moved to Dallas mid November '63 to try and secure employment.

She sought employment for two or three days without success, then

contacted Ruby to see if he needed anyone. At this time, he tried to get

her to go into "show business" which she declined. She had hoped he could

use a hat-check girl until she could find something more along her lines.

About November 20, she called Ruby and told him she had an appointment

with Lamar Hunt. This call was in the hope that Ruby knew Hunt. Ruby came

to her apartment the next day, and they again discussed possible leads for

employment before he drove her down to the office of Lamar Hunt.

She was with Ruby from about 11:00am to 1:00pm. On the way downtown, he

stopped at the Merchant State Bank for a few minutes. She has not seen

Ruby since that day.

*********************

Connie Trammell was reinterviewed by the FBI on 10jul64. This second

interview was conducted at the request of the WC in order to obtain

further information about her interview with Lamar, and the office

space occupied by Lamar and HL Hunt.

She had married two days earlier and was now known as Connie Trammel

Penny.

Connie's story version two:

Connie stated she was now employed by the General Advertising Agency,

Republican National Bank.

She advised that she was a senior at the University of Texas when she

first met Ruby. She was with a group of girls from the university who were

visiting Dallas and staying at the Adulphus.

She and one of the other girls went to see a show at the Carousel, and she

was on her way to the ladies' room when she was stopped by Ruby who asked

if he had met her before. At this time, she gave her name and University

phone number to Ruby.

Ruby called her at this number on several occasions trying to talk her

into becoming a stripper at the Carousel. After graduation, she rented an

apartment in Dallas and contacted Ruby a number of times, attempting to

obtain employment as a hat check girl or similar. Ruby indicated he did

not have any vacancies, but kept insisting that she could work as a

stripper.

She next indicated that she had never dated Ruby, and had not

had too much in the way of conversation with him.

On November 21, Ruby contacted her by phone asking if she had decided to

go to work as a stripper, at which time she told him she had talked with

Lamar Hunt and had made an appointment to see him regarding employment. As

she did not have a car, Ruby offered to take her to this appointment which

was at Hunt's office in the Mercantile National Bank. Ruby told her he had

business to conduct at the bank and it would be no trouble to pick her up.

In the a.m. of that day - exact time not recalled, Ruby picked her up and

inquired as to how she had made the appointment with Hunt, and adding that

he would like to meet him. She explained she had made a personal call to

Lamar Hunt's residence, at which time a maid gave her the telephone number

of a direct line into Hunt's office. She next called Hunt at his office

and made the appointment to see him. She could not recall the suite number

where his office was located.

She next explained why she had thought Hunt might offer her a job: she had

read in a Dallas newspaper that he owned a bowling alley which he was

going to convert into a teenage club, and believed therefore that she

could gain employment at the club in public relations - the area in which

she had obtained her degree.

Ruby parked in a parking lot near the bank and accompanied her to the

elevator, but did not go upstairs with her. This was the last she saw of

Ruby. During the trip from the apartment, Ruby seemed to be impressed by

the amount of money Hunt had made, and mentioned that he knew most of the

prominent people in Dallas, and could wave to them on the street and be

recognized, but added that he did not know Lamar.

She lastly advised that she did not obtain the hoped for employment with

Hunt as he had no plans for any person to work in the public relations

field for his teenage club.

*******************

The reason I have posted the above is that there has long been suspicion

about the true nature of her visit to Lamar Hunt, given Ruby was with her,

it was the day prior to the assassination, and Jim Braden also visited Lamar

that day.

There is however, some evidence to back her story in the form of a job

application:

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/38/3847-003.gif

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/38/3847-004.gif

The application however, presents some problems:

THE HUNT JOB APPLICATION

1. It is undated

2. The employer section has been left blank

3. There is no indication from whom and where it was obtained.

4. It is possible, but not plausible that Hunt would personally do the

hiring for such mundane positions, let alone that a maid would

give an unknown caller Lamar's direct office line.

5. If there was no position available, why did he agree to give her an

interview?

RUBY

Trammel makes it clear Ruby was very keen for her to work as a stripper

at the Carousel. Trammel was not a stripper, nor a member of AGVA. This

is good evidence imo, that Ruby never ceased having amateur nights. In the first

interview, Ruby is said to have stopped to conduct business at the Merchant

State Bank. In the second interview, the business he needed to conduct has

become the same bank to which she is being driven - the Mercantile National.

Another potentially important difference between the two accounts: in the

first, she has herself phoning Ruby to tell him of her appointment with

Hunt - adding she did so in the hope that he might know the oil man.

In the second account, she has Ruby phoning her about becoming a

stripper, at which time, she told him about the job interview. Both

stories cannot be true. Lastly, the day has changed in the latter account

from the 20th to the 21st of the month.

LAMAR HUNT

Did he in fact, turn a bowling alley into a club for teenagers?

Braden was in the building that day, but what evidence is there to put

Braden in the building at the same time as Trammel and Ruby?

Lamar was a bigger right winger than his father, and wanted to

finance his own version of the Minutemen. He was also a contributor

to the infamous Black Border Ad.

MERCHANTS STATE BANK

Ruby did have accounts at this bank, however, the following

document shows no activity in those accounts on that day. Small

withdrawals though were made on the 20th and the 22nd.

http://www.geocities.com/jfkinfo2/jfk5/f585.htm

This points toward a higher likelihood that any bank business he was

conducting was indeed at the Mercantile - as per Trammell's

second statement - though the date would have to have been as

per her first statement.

REPUBLICAN NATIONAL BANK

This is where Trammel found employment sometime after the assassination

The Dallas Republic National Bank was identified by the Washington Post,

26feb67, as a conduit of CIA funds since 1958.

Unsurprisingly, the Republic National Bank was the bank of choice for

that gung ho gang from CUSA.

A couple of comments made in correspondence between Schmidt and Weissman:

"We want to get Norman into the Republic National Bank ... where we are

building our credit like crazy for the day we need ready cash." "Norman"

was Norman Baker, company clerk in Germany, and the person who introduced

Weissman to Schmidt. I have not been able to find out what getting "Norman

into the Republic National Bank" meant. It would be interesting to know if

he became employed by them, though...

"I have a lot of contacts, bankers, insurance men, realtors." JBS members

all.

Richard K Marks, assistant cashier of the Republic National Bank was

interviewed by the FBI on 3dec63. He advised that Bill Burley and Bernard

Weissman attended the bank on 12nov63 in order for Burley to open an

account (Burley, in his interview with the FBI gave this same date as the

probable date that the idea for the Black Border ad was first discussed).

Marks indicated he was well acqainted with Larrie Schmidt, and believed

that Burley and Weissman were close friends of his. He further stated that

Schmidt was a friend of Warren Carroll, a writer for HL Hunt's "Lifeline".

He gave Schmidt's employer as Mutual of New York (CE1814). Burley's need for

an account on the same day as the discussion of the ad must raise eyebrows as

he would appear to have little need of one for himself. He and Weissman

(according to Weissman) were surviving on $200.00 savings and the use of

Schmidt's credit card. Though employed, it was on a commission only basis,

and neither had made any sales.

According to researcher, Bruce Adamson, George McGhee, George de

Mohrenschildt and Robert Gerald Storey all had offices in the Republic

National Bank building. Storey lead the JFK Assassination investigation

for the Texas Attorney General, Waggoner Carr.

THE INVESTIGATION OF DALLAS BANKS

David L Johnston, the JP who arraigned Oswald, was interviewed by the FBI

on 11dec63. He advised during that interview that he had received

information from a confidential source whom he refused to identify, that

Ruby had been co-signer on loans obtained at Dallas banks by some DPD

officers. He had passed this information to Chief Curry - again without

revealing the source of the allegation. He further advised that Curry had

instigated an investigation of this matter through the Republic National

Bank and the First National Bank AND IT WAS VERIFIED THAT RUBY

HAD ACTUALLY BEEN CO-SIGNER ON SOME LOANS OBTAINED

BY OFFICERS AT THOSE BANKS (CE2272). Johnston was called before

the Commission on 26jun64, but they studiously avoided any questions on this

matter.

Three reports dated 3dec63, and held in the DPD files show that the two

banks named, along with one other, had checked their records and found no

evidence of such loans. Who was lying and, who was being being protected?

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/32/3227-001.gif

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/32/3227-002.gif

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/32/3228-001.gif

CUSA

Norman Seigal, manager of Carpet Engineers of Dallas who employed both

Burley and Weissman, told the FBI on 4dec63 that Weissman had been in

sales meetings until about noon on the day of the assassination. He

further advised that he (Weissman) had received a call a few minutes

before the assassination and that a message was taken due to the fact that

Weissman was still tied up in the sales meeting. The message was from

Larry Jones, and was to the effect that Weissman should meet Jones at the

place his brother hangs out for lunch (CE1813). The problem with this is

that either the sales meeting must have went longer than stated, or the

call was not a few minutes before the assassination, but at least a half

an hour prior, based on other information in the exhibit. Even more

confusing is that, according to Seigal, Weissman, when told of the

call, denied knowing anyone by the name of Larry Jones Further,

neither Jones (who was indeed a member of CUSA) nor Weissman

was known to have a brother in Dallas. However, it's possible they

merely referred to each as "brother", or that the brother being

referred to was Larrie Schmidt's brother, Robert. Seigal at least

gives Weissman something that could be construed as an alibi. Not

so for Burley. He stated that Burley never arrived for work until

about 2:00pm and had not attended any sales meetings that

morning. By now, it should be no surprise that Burley was not

asked to provide an alibi for the assassination when interviewed

by the FBI. The same lack of curiosity was shown by the FBI in their

interview with Larrie Schmidt. The seriousness of CUSA's intent in

Dallas can be seen by the fact that Schmidt, Weissman and Burley

all dumped their wives before starting their campaign of infiltration

in Dallas.

Here is what Weissman said about Jones before the Commission:

QUOTE

Mr. Weissman.

Well Larrie had been named executive secretary of the Dallas chapter of

the Young Americans for Freedom. And another man--his name is in one of

these letters somewhere I don't recall it offhand--who was brought into

CUSA by Larrie. was named chairman or vice chairman--vice chairman. And

the only other move that we had to make in order to take control of Dallas

Young Americans for Freedom would have been to get rid of the chairman,

who was anti-Larrie Schmidt. He was absolutely no help to us. And this was

on its way to accomplishment. But for some reason or another, there was

some sort of an argument. I am still not clear on what happened. I wasn't

there. I just can take it secondhand from Larrie. A friend of Larrie's had

come to Dallas--this was Larry Jones. another partner in----

Mr. Jenner.

He is mentioned in some of these interviews. Did you meet Larry Jones?

Mr. Weissman.

I didn't meet him in Dallas; no. He was gone before I got there. But Larry

had come to Dallas, he had stayed a few weeks, had made friends with these

people and I had advocated many and many a time---I saw through Larry the

first time I met him---is to get rid of this guy, because he was not going

to do us any good.

Mr. Jenner.

You did meet Jones?

Mr. Weissman.

In Army yes.

Mr. Jenner.

You met Larry Jones in the Army?

Mr. Weissman.

Yes We were all on the same post.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Chairman if you will permit, I would like to go back to that at this

moment.

Representative Ford.

Surely.

Mr. Jenner.

This was another man. You hadn't mentioned him before.

Mr. Weissman.

I didn't? I thought I did.

Mr. Jenner.

What rank was he?

Mr. Weissman.

SP-4 Specialist-4.

Mr. Jenner.

That wasn't the company clerk?

Mr. Weissman.

No. Larry worked for headquarters. He was in communications---the

scramblers and so forth.

Mr. Jenner.

Seeking to scramble broadcasts?

Mr. Weissman.

No. In other words, they would send out the secret messages and so forth

from commander to commander and so on.

Mr. Dulles.

These were military messages?

Mr. Weissman.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

How old a man was Larry Jones?

Mr. Weissman.

Larry--he looked 30. I think he is 21.

UNQUOTE

So what to make of Larry Jones? He was obviously in a highly sensitive

position in Germany. It's also clear he was in Dallas at some stage. But

it's also obvious he either never left before the assassination, or returned

on or before the events in DP. Why did Weissman deny knowing him?

Why didn't the WC ask him about that phone message? And why didn't

the FBI interview Larry?

From Weissman's first visit to the Commission: "The council originally

consisted of myself, of Larry Schmidt, of Bill Burley, of a Larry Jones,

who is no longer associated in any way with us..."

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Connie Trammell was first interviewed by the FBI, 20dec63 due to her name

and phone number appearing in Ruby's address book.

Connie's story version one:

Connie stated that in April, she and fellow students from the University

of Texas School of Journalism came to Dallas in connection with a boat

show. They stayed at the Adolphus, and went to the Carousel for a party.

She met JR at that time, and had a lengthy conversation with him.

She graduated, then, after returning to her home in Arkansas for a short

period, moved to Dallas mid November '63 to try and secure employment.

She sought employment for two or three days without success, then

contacted Ruby to see if he needed anyone. At this time, he tried to get

her to go into "show business" which she declined. She had hoped he could

use a hat-check girl until she could find something more along her lines.

About November 20, she called Ruby and told him she had an appointment

with Lamar Hunt. This call was in the hope that Ruby knew Hunt. Ruby came

to her apartment the next day, and they again discussed possible leads for

employment before he drove her down to the office of Lamar Hunt.

She was with Ruby from about 11:00am to 1:00pm. On the way downtown, he

stopped at the Merchant State Bank for a few minutes. She has not seen

Ruby since that day.

*********************

Connie Trammell was reinterviewed by the FBI on 10jul64. This second

interview was conducted at the request of the WC in order to obtain

further information about her interview with Lamar, and the office

space occupied by Lamar and HL Hunt.

She had married two days earlier and was now known as Connie Trammel

Penny.

Connie's story version two:

Connie stated she was now employed by the General Advertising Agency,

Republican National Bank.

She advised that she was a senior at the University of Texas when she

first met Ruby. She was with a group of girls from the university who were

visiting Dallas and staying at the Adulphus.

She and one of the other girls went to see a show at the Carousel, and she

was on her way to the ladies' room when she was stopped by Ruby who asked

if he had met her before. At this time, she gave her name and University

phone number to Ruby.

Ruby called her at this number on several occasions trying to talk her

into becoming a stripper at the Carousel. After graduation, she rented an

apartment in Dallas and contacted Ruby a number of times, attempting to

obtain employment as a hat check girl or similar. Ruby indicated he did

not have any vacancies, but kept insisting that she could work as a

stripper.

She next indicated that she had never dated Ruby, and had not

had too much in the way of conversation with him.

On November 21, Ruby contacted her by phone asking if she had decided to

go to work as a stripper, at which time she told him she had talked with

Lamar Hunt and had made an appointment to see him regarding employment. As

she did not have a car, Ruby offered to take her to this appointment which

was at Hunt's office in the Mercantile National Bank. Ruby told her he had

business to conduct at the bank and it would be no trouble to pick her up.

In the a.m. of that day - exact time not recalled, Ruby picked her up and

inquired as to how she had made the appointment with Hunt, and adding that

he would like to meet him. She explained she had made a personal call to

Lamar Hunt's residence, at which time a maid gave her the telephone number

of a direct line into Hunt's office. She next called Hunt at his office

and made the appointment to see him. She could not recall the suite number

where his office was located.

She next explained why she had thought Hunt might offer her a job: she had

read in a Dallas newspaper that he owned a bowling alley which he was

going to convert into a teenage club, and believed therefore that she

could gain employment at the club in public relations - the area in which

she had obtained her degree.

Ruby parked in a parking lot near the bank and accompanied her to the

elevator, but did not go upstairs with her. This was the last she saw of

Ruby. During the trip from the apartment, Ruby seemed to be impressed by

the amount of money Hunt had made, and mentioned that he knew most of the

prominent people in Dallas, and could wave to them on the street and be

recognized, but added that he did not know Lamar.

She lastly advised that she did not obtain the hoped for employment with

Hunt as he had no plans for any person to work in the public relations

field for his teenage club.

*******************

The reason I have posted the above is that there has long been suspicion

about the true nature of her visit to Lamar Hunt, given Ruby was with her,

it was the day prior to the assassination, and Jim Braden also visited Lamar

that day.

There is however, some evidence to back her story in the form of a job

application:

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/38/3847-003.gif

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/38/3847-004.gif

The application however, presents some problems:

THE HUNT JOB APPLICATION

1. It is undated

2. The employer section has been left blank

3. There is no indication from whom and where it was obtained.

4. It is possible, but not plausible that Hunt would personally do the

hiring for such mundane positions, let alone that a maid would

give an unknown caller Lamar's direct office line.

5. If there was no position available, why did he agree to give her an

interview?

RUBY

Trammel makes it clear Ruby was very keen for her to work as a stripper

at the Carousel. Trammel was not a stripper, nor a member of AGVA. This

is good evidence imo, that Ruby never ceased having amateur nights. In the first

interview, Ruby is said to have stopped to conduct business at the Merchant

State Bank. In the second interview, the business he needed to conduct has

become the same bank to which she is being driven - the Mercantile National.

Another potentially important difference between the two accounts: in the

first, she has herself phoning Ruby to tell him of her appointment with

Hunt - adding she did so in the hope that he might know the oil man.

In the second account, she has Ruby phoning her about becoming a

stripper, at which time, she told him about the job interview. Both

stories cannot be true. Lastly, the day has changed in the latter account

from the 20th to the 21st of the month.

LAMAR HUNT

Did he in fact, turn a bowling alley into a club for teenagers?

Braden was in the building that day, but what evidence is there to put

Braden in the building at the same time as Trammel and Ruby?

Lamar was a bigger right winger than his father, and wanted to

finance his own version of the Minutemen. He was also a contributor

to the infamous Black Border Ad.

MERCHANTS STATE BANK

Ruby did have accounts at this bank, however, the following

document shows no activity in those accounts on that day. Small

withdrawals though were made on the 20th and the 22nd.

http://www.geocities.com/jfkinfo2/jfk5/f585.htm

This points toward a higher likelihood that any bank business he was

conducting was indeed at the Mercantile - as per Trammell's

second statement - though the date would have to have been as

per her first statement.

REPUBLICAN NATIONAL BANK

This is where Trammel found employment sometime after the assassination

The Dallas Republic National Bank was identified by the Washington Post,

26feb67, as a conduit of CIA funds since 1958.

Unsurprisingly, the Republic National Bank was the bank of choice for

that gung ho gang from CUSA.

A couple of comments made in correspondence between Schmidt and Weissman:

"We want to get Norman into the Republic National Bank ... where we are

building our credit like crazy for the day we need ready cash." "Norman"

was Norman Baker, company clerk in Germany, and the person who introduced

Weissman to Schmidt. I have not been able to find out what getting "Norman

into the Republic National Bank" meant. It would be interesting to know if

he became employed by them, though...

"I have a lot of contacts, bankers, insurance men, realtors." JBS members

all.

Richard K Marks, assistant cashier of the Republic National Bank was

interviewed by the FBI on 3dec63. He advised that Bill Burley and Bernard

Weissman attended the bank on 12nov63 in order for Burley to open an

account (Burley, in his interview with the FBI gave this same date as the

probable date that the idea for the Black Border ad was first discussed).

Marks indicated he was well acqainted with Larrie Schmidt, and believed

that Burley and Weissman were close friends of his. He further stated that

Schmidt was a friend of Warren Carroll, a writer for HL Hunt's "Lifeline".

He gave Schmidt's employer as Mutual of New York (CE1814). Burley's need for

an account on the same day as the discussion of the ad must raise eyebrows as

he would appear to have little need of one for himself. He and Weissman

(according to Weissman) were surviving on $200.00 savings and the use of

Schmidt's credit card. Though employed, it was on a commission only basis,

and neither had made any sales.

According to researcher, Bruce Adamson, George McGhee, George de

Mohrenschildt and Robert Gerald Storey all had offices in the Republic

National Bank building. Storey lead the JFK Assassination investigation

for the Texas Attorney General, Waggoner Carr.

THE INVESTIGATION OF DALLAS BANKS

David L Johnston, the JP who arraigned Oswald, was interviewed by the FBI

on 11dec63. He advised during that interview that he had received

information from a confidential source whom he refused to identify, that

Ruby had been co-signer on loans obtained at Dallas banks by some DPD

officers. He had passed this information to Chief Curry - again without

revealing the source of the allegation. He further advised that Curry had

instigated an investigation of this matter through the Republic National

Bank and the First National Bank AND IT WAS VERIFIED THAT RUBY

HAD ACTUALLY BEEN CO-SIGNER ON SOME LOANS OBTAINED

BY OFFICERS AT THOSE BANKS (CE2272). Johnston was called before

the Commission on 26jun64, but they studiously avoided any questions on this

matter.

Three reports dated 3dec63, and held in the DPD files show that the two

banks named, along with one other, had checked their records and found no

evidence of such loans. Who was lying and, who was being being protected?

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/32/3227-001.gif

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/32/3227-002.gif

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/32/3228-001.gif

CUSA

Norman Seigal, manager of Carpet Engineers of Dallas who employed both

Burley and Weissman, told the FBI on 4dec63 that Weissman had been in

sales meetings until about noon on the day of the assassination. He

further advised that he (Weissman) had received a call a few minutes

before the assassination and that a message was taken due to the fact that

Weissman was still tied up in the sales meeting. The message was from

Larry Jones, and was to the effect that Weissman should meet Jones at the

place his brother hangs out for lunch (CE1813). The problem with this is

that either the sales meeting must have went longer than stated, or the

call was not a few minutes before the assassination, but at least a half

an hour prior, based on other information in the exhibit. Even more

confusing is that, according to Seigal, Weissman, when told of the

call, denied knowing anyone by the name of Larry Jones Further,

neither Jones (who was indeed a member of CUSA) nor Weissman

was known to have a brother in Dallas. However, it's possible they

merely referred to each as "brother", or that the brother being

referred to was Larrie Schmidt's brother, Robert. Seigal at least

gives Weissman something that could be construed as an alibi. Not

so for Burley. He stated that Burley never arrived for work until

about 2:00pm and had not attended any sales meetings that

morning. By now, it should be no surprise that Burley was not

asked to provide an alibi for the assassination when interviewed

by the FBI. The same lack of curiosity was shown by the FBI in their

interview with Larrie Schmidt. The seriousness of CUSA's intent in

Dallas can be seen by the fact that Schmidt, Weissman and Burley

all dumped their wives before starting their campaign of infiltration

in Dallas.

Here is what Weissman said about Jones before the Commission:

QUOTE

Mr. Weissman.

Well Larrie had been named executive secretary of the Dallas chapter of

the Young Americans for Freedom. And another man--his name is in one of

these letters somewhere I don't recall it offhand--who was brought into

CUSA by Larrie. was named chairman or vice chairman--vice chairman. And

the only other move that we had to make in order to take control of Dallas

Young Americans for Freedom would have been to get rid of the chairman,

who was anti-Larrie Schmidt. He was absolutely no help to us. And this was

on its way to accomplishment. But for some reason or another, there was

some sort of an argument. I am still not clear on what happened. I wasn't

there. I just can take it secondhand from Larrie. A friend of Larrie's had

come to Dallas--this was Larry Jones. another partner in----

Mr. Jenner.

He is mentioned in some of these interviews. Did you meet Larry Jones?

Mr. Weissman.

I didn't meet him in Dallas; no. He was gone before I got there. But Larry

had come to Dallas, he had stayed a few weeks, had made friends with these

people and I had advocated many and many a time---I saw through Larry the

first time I met him---is to get rid of this guy, because he was not going

to do us any good.

Mr. Jenner.

You did meet Jones?

Mr. Weissman.

In Army yes.

Mr. Jenner.

You met Larry Jones in the Army?

Mr. Weissman.

Yes We were all on the same post.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Chairman if you will permit, I would like to go back to that at this

moment.

Representative Ford.

Surely.

Mr. Jenner.

This was another man. You hadn't mentioned him before.

Mr. Weissman.

I didn't? I thought I did.

Mr. Jenner.

What rank was he?

Mr. Weissman.

SP-4 Specialist-4.

Mr. Jenner.

That wasn't the company clerk?

Mr. Weissman.

No. Larry worked for headquarters. He was in communications---the

scramblers and so forth.

Mr. Jenner.

Seeking to scramble broadcasts?

Mr. Weissman.

No. In other words, they would send out the secret messages and so forth

from commander to commander and so on.

Mr. Dulles.

These were military messages?

Mr. Weissman.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

How old a man was Larry Jones?

Mr. Weissman.

Larry--he looked 30. I think he is 21.

UNQUOTE

So what to make of Larry Jones? He was obviously in a highly sensitive

position in Germany. It's also clear he was in Dallas at some stage. But

it's also obvious he either never left before the assassination, or returned

on or before the events in DP. Why did Weissman deny knowing him?

Why didn't the WC ask him about that phone message? And why didn't

the FBI interview Larry?

From Weissman's first visit to the Commission: "The council originally

consisted of myself, of Larry Schmidt, of Bill Burley, of a Larry Jones,

who is no longer associated in any way with us..."

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(hope I have the right schmidt here). Schmidt states he felt frightened if staying in Dallas. He felt watched. One person or two with Ruby had a pretty steady watch on the post boxes. He said he thought one of them might shoot him. I sometimes wonder if this was Harry. Anyway, he left. Could some out of the loop come to realise what has happened and basically shut up?

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Connie Trammell was first interviewed by the FBI, 20dec63 due to her name

and phone number appearing in Ruby's address book.

Connie's story version one:

Connie stated that in April, she and fellow students from the University

of Texas School of Journalism came to Dallas in connection with a boat

show. They stayed at the Adolphus, and went to the Carousel for a party.

She met JR at that time, and had a lengthy conversation with him.

She graduated, then, after returning to her home in Arkansas for a short

period, moved to Dallas mid November '63 to try and secure employment.

She sought employment for two or three days without success, then

contacted Ruby to see if he needed anyone. At this time, he tried to get

her to go into "show business" which she declined. She had hoped he could

use a hat-check girl until she could find something more along her lines.

About November 20, she called Ruby and told him she had an appointment

with Lamar Hunt. This call was in the hope that Ruby knew Hunt. Ruby came

to her apartment the next day, and they again discussed possible leads for

employment before he drove her down to the office of Lamar Hunt.

She was with Ruby from about 11:00am to 1:00pm. On the way downtown, he

stopped at the Merchant State Bank for a few minutes. She has not seen

Ruby since that day.

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Connie Trammell was reinterviewed by the FBI on 10jul64. This second

interview was conducted at the request of the WC in order to obtain

further information about her interview with Lamar, and the office

space occupied by Lamar and HL Hunt.

She had married two days earlier and was now known as Connie Trammel

Penny.

Connie's story version two:

Connie stated she was now employed by the General Advertising Agency,

Republican National Bank.

She advised that she was a senior at the University of Texas when she

first met Ruby. She was with a group of girls from the university who were

visiting Dallas and staying at the Adulphus.

She and one of the other girls went to see a show at the Carousel, and she

was on her way to the ladies' room when she was stopped by Ruby who asked

if he had met her before. At this time, she gave her name and University

phone number to Ruby.

Ruby called her at this number on several occasions trying to talk her

into becoming a stripper at the Carousel. After graduation, she rented an

apartment in Dallas and contacted Ruby a number of times, attempting to

obtain employment as a hat check girl or similar. Ruby indicated he did

not have any vacancies, but kept insisting that she could work as a

stripper.

She next indicated that she had never dated Ruby, and had not

had too much in the way of conversation with him.

On November 21, Ruby contacted her by phone asking if she had decided to

go to work as a stripper, at which time she told him she had talked with

Lamar Hunt and had made an appointment to see him regarding employment. As

she did not have a car, Ruby offered to take her to this appointment which

was at Hunt's office in the Mercantile National Bank. Ruby told her he had

business to conduct at the bank and it would be no trouble to pick her up.

In the a.m. of that day - exact time not recalled, Ruby picked her up and

inquired as to how she had made the appointment with Hunt, and adding that

he would like to meet him. She explained she had made a personal call to

Lamar Hunt's residence, at which time a maid gave her the telephone number

of a direct line into Hunt's office. She next called Hunt at his office

and made the appointment to see him. She could not recall the suite number

where his office was located.

She next explained why she had thought Hunt might offer her a job: she had

read in a Dallas newspaper that he owned a bowling alley which he was

going to convert into a teenage club, and believed therefore that she

could gain employment at the club in public relations - the area in which

she had obtained her degree.

Ruby parked in a parking lot near the bank and accompanied her to the

elevator, but did not go upstairs with her. This was the last she saw of

Ruby. During the trip from the apartment, Ruby seemed to be impressed by

the amount of money Hunt had made, and mentioned that he knew most of the

prominent people in Dallas, and could wave to them on the street and be

recognized, but added that he did not know Lamar.

She lastly advised that she did not obtain the hoped for employment with

Hunt as he had no plans for any person to work in the public relations

field for his teenage club.

*******************

The reason I have posted the above is that there has long been suspicion

about the true nature of her visit to Lamar Hunt, given Ruby was with her,

it was the day prior to the assassination, and Jim Braden also visited Lamar

that day.

There is however, some evidence to back her story in the form of a job

application:

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The application however, presents some problems:

THE HUNT JOB APPLICATION

1. It is undated

2. The employer section has been left blank

3. There is no indication from whom and where it was obtained.

4. It is possible, but not plausible that Hunt would personally do the

hiring for such mundane positions, let alone that a maid would

give an unknown caller Lamar's direct office line.

5. If there was no position available, why did he agree to give her an

interview?

RUBY

Trammel makes it clear Ruby was very keen for her to work as a stripper

at the Carousel. Trammel was not a stripper, nor a member of AGVA. This

is good evidence imo, that Ruby never ceased having amateur nights. In the first

interview, Ruby is said to have stopped to conduct business at the Merchant

State Bank. In the second interview, the business he needed to conduct has

become the same bank to which she is being driven - the Mercantile National.

Another potentially important difference between the two accounts: in the

first, she has herself phoning Ruby to tell him of her appointment with

Hunt - adding she did so in the hope that he might know the oil man.

In the second account, she has Ruby phoning her about becoming a

stripper, at which time, she told him about the job interview. Both

stories cannot be true. Lastly, the day has changed in the latter account

from the 20th to the 21st of the month.

LAMAR HUNT

Did he in fact, turn a bowling alley into a club for teenagers?

Braden was in the building that day, but what evidence is there to put

Braden in the building at the same time as Trammel and Ruby?

Lamar was a bigger right winger than his father, and wanted to

finance his own version of the Minutemen. He was also a contributor

to the infamous Black Border Ad.

MERCHANTS STATE BANK

Ruby did have accounts at this bank, however, the following

document shows no activity in those accounts on that day. Small

withdrawals though were made on the 20th and the 22nd.

http://www.geocities.com/jfkinfo2/jfk5/f585.htm

This points toward a higher likelihood that any bank business he was

conducting was indeed at the Mercantile - as per Trammell's

second statement - though the date would have to have been as

per her first statement.

REPUBLICAN NATIONAL BANK

This is where Trammel found employment sometime after the assassination

The Dallas Republic National Bank was identified by the Washington Post,

26feb67, as a conduit of CIA funds since 1958.

Unsurprisingly, the Republic National Bank was the bank of choice for

that gung ho gang from CUSA.

A couple of comments made in correspondence between Schmidt and Weissman:

"We want to get Norman into the Republic National Bank ... where we are

building our credit like crazy for the day we need ready cash." "Norman"

was Norman Baker, company clerk in Germany, and the person who introduced

Weissman to Schmidt. I have not been able to find out what getting "Norman

into the Republic National Bank" meant. It would be interesting to know if

he became employed by them, though...

"I have a lot of contacts, bankers, insurance men, realtors." JBS members

all.

Richard K Marks, assistant cashier of the Republic National Bank was

interviewed by the FBI on 3dec63. He advised that Bill Burley and Bernard

Weissman attended the bank on 12nov63 in order for Burley to open an

account (Burley, in his interview with the FBI gave this same date as the

probable date that the idea for the Black Border ad was first discussed).

Marks indicated he was well acqainted with Larrie Schmidt, and believed

that Burley and Weissman were close friends of his. He further stated that

Schmidt was a friend of Warren Carroll, a writer for HL Hunt's "Lifeline".

He gave Schmidt's employer as Mutual of New York (CE1814). Burley's need for

an account on the same day as the discussion of the ad must raise eyebrows as

he would appear to have little need of one for himself. He and Weissman

(according to Weissman) were surviving on $200.00 savings and the use of

Schmidt's credit card. Though employed, it was on a commission only basis,

and neither had made any sales.

According to researcher, Bruce Adamson, George McGhee, George de

Mohrenschildt and Robert Gerald Storey all had offices in the Republic

National Bank building. Storey lead the JFK Assassination investigation

for the Texas Attorney General, Waggoner Carr.

THE INVESTIGATION OF DALLAS BANKS

David L Johnston, the JP who arraigned Oswald, was interviewed by the FBI

on 11dec63. He advised during that interview that he had received

information from a confidential source whom he refused to identify, that

Ruby had been co-signer on loans obtained at Dallas banks by some DPD

officers. He had passed this information to Chief Curry - again without

revealing the source of the allegation. He further advised that Curry had

instigated an investigation of this matter through the Republic National

Bank and the First National Bank AND IT WAS VERIFIED THAT RUBY

HAD ACTUALLY BEEN CO-SIGNER ON SOME LOANS OBTAINED

BY OFFICERS AT THOSE BANKS (CE2272). Johnston was called before

the Commission on 26jun64, but they studiously avoided any questions on this

matter.

Three reports dated 3dec63, and held in the DPD files show that the two

banks named, along with one other, had checked their records and found no

evidence of such loans. Who was lying and, who was being being protected?

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CUSA

Norman Seigal, manager of Carpet Engineers of Dallas who employed both

Burley and Weissman, told the FBI on 4dec63 that Weissman had been in

sales meetings until about noon on the day of the assassination. He

further advised that he (Weissman) had received a call a few minutes

before the assassination and that a message was taken due to the fact that

Weissman was still tied up in the sales meeting. The message was from

Larry Jones, and was to the effect that Weissman should meet Jones at the

place his brother hangs out for lunch (CE1813). The problem with this is

that either the sales meeting must have went longer than stated, or the

call was not a few minutes before the assassination, but at least a half

an hour prior, based on other information in the exhibit. Even more

confusing is that, according to Seigal, Weissman, when told of the

call, denied knowing anyone by the name of Larry Jones Further,

neither Jones (who was indeed a member of CUSA) nor Weissman

was known to have a brother in Dallas. However, it's possible they

merely referred to each as "brother", or that the brother being

referred to was Larrie Schmidt's brother, Robert. Seigal at least

gives Weissman something that could be construed as an alibi. Not

so for Burley. He stated that Burley never arrived for work until

about 2:00pm and had not attended any sales meetings that

morning. By now, it should be no surprise that Burley was not

asked to provide an alibi for the assassination when interviewed

by the FBI. The same lack of curiosity was shown by the FBI in their

interview with Larrie Schmidt. The seriousness of CUSA's intent in

Dallas can be seen by the fact that Schmidt, Weissman and Burley

all dumped their wives before starting their campaign of infiltration

in Dallas.

Here is what Weissman said about Jones before the Commission:

QUOTE

Mr. Weissman.

Well Larrie had been named executive secretary of the Dallas chapter of

the Young Americans for Freedom. And another man--his name is in one of

these letters somewhere I don't recall it offhand--who was brought into

CUSA by Larrie. was named chairman or vice chairman--vice chairman. And

the only other move that we had to make in order to take control of Dallas

Young Americans for Freedom would have been to get rid of the chairman,

who was anti-Larrie Schmidt. He was absolutely no help to us. And this was

on its way to accomplishment. But for some reason or another, there was

some sort of an argument. I am still not clear on what happened. I wasn't

there. I just can take it secondhand from Larrie. A friend of Larrie's had

come to Dallas--this was Larry Jones. another partner in----

Mr. Jenner.

He is mentioned in some of these interviews. Did you meet Larry Jones?

Mr. Weissman.

I didn't meet him in Dallas; no. He was gone before I got there. But Larry

had come to Dallas, he had stayed a few weeks, had made friends with these

people and I had advocated many and many a time---I saw through Larry the

first time I met him---is to get rid of this guy, because he was not going

to do us any good.

Mr. Jenner.

You did meet Jones?

Mr. Weissman.

In Army yes.

Mr. Jenner.

You met Larry Jones in the Army?

Mr. Weissman.

Yes We were all on the same post.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Chairman if you will permit, I would like to go back to that at this

moment.

Representative Ford.

Surely.

Mr. Jenner.

This was another man. You hadn't mentioned him before.

Mr. Weissman.

I didn't? I thought I did.

Mr. Jenner.

What rank was he?

Mr. Weissman.

SP-4 Specialist-4.

Mr. Jenner.

That wasn't the company clerk?

Mr. Weissman.

No. Larry worked for headquarters. He was in communications---the

scramblers and so forth.

Mr. Jenner.

Seeking to scramble broadcasts?

Mr. Weissman.

No. In other words, they would send out the secret messages and so forth

from commander to commander and so on.

Mr. Dulles.

These were military messages?

Mr. Weissman.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

How old a man was Larry Jones?

Mr. Weissman.

Larry--he looked 30. I think he is 21.

UNQUOTE

So what to make of Larry Jones? He was obviously in a highly sensitive

position in Germany. It's also clear he was in Dallas at some stage. But

it's also obvious he either never left before the assassination, or returned

on or before the events in DP. Why did Weissman deny knowing him?

Why didn't the WC ask him about that phone message? And why didn't

the FBI interview Larry?

From Weissman's first visit to the Commission: "The council originally

consisted of myself, of Larry Schmidt, of Bill Burley, of a Larry Jones,

who is no longer associated in any way with us..."

Bumbed for Mark Lane

Thanks for bringing this up Greg

BK

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From Weissman's first visit to the Commission: "The council originally

consisted of myself, of Larry Schmidt, of Bill Burley, of a Larry Jones,

who is no longer associated in any way with us..."

CD 780 An interview between SS SA John Joe Howlett and Harry McCormick of the Dallas Morning News p. 5

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=6

Talking about Larry Schmidt, McCormick tells Howlett:

“Schmidt drives a Rambler, Texas 63 License Number NY 8889”

Steve Thomas

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William Plumlee mentioned in a post that ''Jones'' was a code or operative name used at the time.

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