Jack Ruby and his sandwiches.

[Guest Eugene B. Connolly]

Here is a transcript of part of the radio programme 'Something is Terribly Wrong' broadcast by BBC Radio 4 on November 22 2003.

The transcript deals with Jack Ruby's involvement in the shooting of Oswald. Please note the names of the people involved may not be spelt correctly. I have spelt the names according to their sound.The name DeLaun sounds like DeLawn but I feel DeLaun is perhaps a more likely spelling.

The name Garry may have one 'r' - Gary.

Ken Dow: Dow rhymes with 'how' so I have spelt it that way. Perhaps it is Dowe,Dau or Daugh? McLendon could be Maclendon or MacLendon.

The more experienced JFK Assassination Researchers will know immediately the correct spelling.

I have compiled this transcript using a tape recording I made of the broadcast.

The broadcast was 45 minutes long. This transcript only covers the 'sandwiches' theme.

Something is Terribly Wrong.......

Narrator:Alan Thompson

On the Sunday morning Oswald was meant to be transferred to the County Jail - a short distance across town. Now KLIF (A local radio Station) became embroiled in the next part of the tragic saga which continued to unfold and possibly explains why there was a third shooting.

KLIF newsmen Garry DeLaun and disc jockey Ken Dow got mixed up with an unknown night club owner called Jack Rubinstein - better known now as Jack Ruby. Ruby was in an agitated state when he phoned the station and asked for Gordon McLendon - the owner of the radio station. McLendon was a very powerful man in Dallas and a personal friend of Vice President Johnson.

Ken Dow speaks for first time:

" I picked up the phone. I was at the disc jockeys' tables on the other side of the news studio watching the newspeople on the air and answering phones as fast as I can. A gentleman who said his name was Jack Ruby called and the conversation was on something like:

"Is this Ken Dow?" I said yes. He said: "This is Jack Ruby" and he said: " I know you guys have been working very hard....." and he said: "I wonder if there's the possibility for me to come down and bring some sandwiches to you..... some soft drinks....some things to help you out. I'm really concerned about what you're doing and the hours you're putting in. I know you're not getting much rest." As he was talking I put my hand over the telephone and asked:" Who the devil is Jack Ruby?"

Jim Newel speaks for first time:

Jack Ruby was a kind of a nuisance. He was a groupie - a hanger on. A big KLIF fan and he and Russ Knight would often bowl after hours at the Cotton Bowling Palace at Lemon and Inwood because ....what do you do late night after you get off work?.... and when Jack would close the Carousel Club then Russ would join him out there and they would bowl with the strippers ...er.. names like Penny Dollar and Cheri Angel The Body Beautiful and they would take time bowling of course.

Ken Dow speaks again for second time:

And the only other thing he said to me was.... and I never got the opportunity to say this in the trial: He (Ruby) said: "Where is Gordon McLendon? I must talk with Gordon McLendon."

Ken Dow speaks for third time:

And at that particular time.... I'm a young fellow and I'd said I don't know where Mr McLendon is. And maybe there was nothing to it....maybe he's not really a friend of Gordon's .....wasn't a friend of Gordon's.... who's deceased now. I don't know but he did ask me about that.

Maybe he (Ruby) thought he had some information for him (Gordon). Who knows?

Narrator Alan Thompson speaks:

Garry DeLaun rushed down to the Police Station to cover the story of Oswald being transferred to the County Jail. Meanwhile Jack ruby went to the KLIF studios.

Jim Newel speaks for second time:

Ruby said: "What can I do?". He became such a nuisance finally they said: " Go to the Police Department. Garry DeLaun has been over there 6 or 8 hours. He's had nothing to eat...nothing to drink. Take him some sandwiches.

Narrator Alan Thompson: These sandwiches were very important as you'll find out.

At the Police Station Jim Lavelle was preparing to take Oswald to the County Jail.

Lavelle describes how his left arm was handcuffed to Oswald's right. Lavelle explains how he also had his handcuffed hand in Oswald's belt for extra security. Lavelle speaks of the exchange between him and Oswald.

Hugh Ainsworth - a newspaper man now speaks. Ainsworth says the security around the Police Station was by no means lax. He says he was stopped three times on his way into the Police Station. Ainsworth also states that his wife was not allowed in.

Narrator Alan Thompson:

Jack Ruby got to the Police Station to deliver the sandwiches to Garry DeLaun just as they were moving Oswald.

Jim Newel speaks for third time:

He (Ruby)came to the Police Department and bringing the sandwiches ... well instead of going upstairs to the third floor. Jack walks down the ramp 'cos he saw all the activity and he saw the lights and the television and all the chaos in the line up room and so he walks in and he was a known character. He had always given free passes to the Carousel Club trying to get the policemen and the newsmen to come over because he was a groupie.He had a very severe inferiority complex. He was born on the west side of Chicago... grew up in kind of a shady situation and had a punch card operation before he moved to San Antonio and his sister Eva Grant had convinced him to move here and his roommate George Senator had been picked up a couple of times for sodomy and so Jack was well known at the Police Department by some of the officers. So Jack came over and he was saying: " Where's Garry DeLaun? Where's Garry DeLaun? I've got some sandwiches." When he saw what was happening on stage he saw this young man who had the bruised black eye from the confrontation of arrest at the Texas Theater. He started thinking in his own little mind that he wanted to avenge Jackie Kennedy.

Narrator Alan Thompson speaks:

Garry DeLaun was transmitting live from the Dallas Police Station.

Archive Material:

Voice of DeLaun: "And here he comes. Lee Harvey Oswald, accused assassin.

Will Fritz leading the way being escorted by Police Officers......"

Garry DeLaun speaks (2003) of the slaying of Oswald:

"When I saw Will Fritz leading the way and detectives Graves and Lavelle handcuffed to Lee Oswald. I was focused emphatically on Will Fritz. I did not notice this figure coming in from my right.

Well, a lot has been said about Jack Ruby. If you watched the JFK by Oliver Stone about him being clandestinely led into the Police Department .....BS.

He was not led. He walked down the ramp just like I did because there was very little security. There was 1 traffic officer on this side of the Police Department which we can now see ...2 blocks away.

There was another traffic officer on the other side. That was your sole security

that early Sunday morning November 24 1963. He walked down the ramp after he had sent money to one of his strippers Penny Dollar. She needed money so he telegraphed her money from the telegraph office and walked down into the Police Department basement. Well the newsmen knew him and the cops did too but he was an insignificant harmless little guy......they thought.

He still had his 38 on him well the 38 he carried because he always carried large sums of money............

Archive Material. Garry Delaun speaks:

" A shot rang out....a shot has rung out and Lee Oswald falls...Lee Oswald has fallen. A shot has rung out... a shot is being in place..... a shot has rung out and ladies and gentlemen Lee Oswald has just been shot."

Narrator Alan Thompson: It was only at the trial that Garry DeLaun realized the importance of those sandwiches.

Garry DeLaun speaks: As I was called to testify Jack yelled at me in the

courtroom: "Garry! Where were you?! Where were you?! I was looking for you that day! I was looking for you!"

Garry DeLaun speaks again:

And no one had even told me that Jack had come to the Police Department

to look for me that day until during the appeals phase of Jack Ruby's trial."

-O-

Garry DeLaun: Newsman (KLIF)

Ken Dow: Disc Jockey (KLIF)

Jim Newel: Newsman

Hugh Ainsworth: Newsman

Jim Lavelle: Police Officer

Will Fritz (Police Officer)

Graves (Police Officer)

Russ Knight Disc Jockey (?) (KLIF)

Edited January 7, 2005 by John Simkin

[Greg Parker]

Hi Eugene,

That clears it up. The BBC (or those they interviewed) has the chronology all confused. The sandwich episode was late Friday night/early Saturday morning.

Think about it. What did he do with the sandwiches and drinks? Hand them to Leavelle while he shot Oswald?

Someone should inform the BBC that this isn't history. It's more misinformation... and that, I might add, is the Something [That] is Terribly Wrong...

greg

[Guest Eugene B. Connolly]

Hi Greg,

Maybe you should tell the BBC that this is misinformation. Are you calling Ken Dow and Garry DeLaun and the others named liars? Have you checked out the facts before you posted your reply? Did you verify any of the BBC programme's facts?

As far as I can see you are totally oblivious to any version of events which differ in any respect from your own.

The BBC is generally known for its factual reporting. Maybe you could and should do some in depth research into the case presented by the BBC Radio 4 programme.

To paraphrase Garry DeLaun the BBC isn't in the BS broadcasting market.

As regards the Ruby's 'sandwiches' I, for one, would like to know if Ruby had any sandwiches on him when he shot Oswald. That would, to use your words, 'clear it up'.The broadcast was not clear on this point. Perhaps you could elucidate further?

EBC

Edited August 28, 2004 by Eugene B. Connolly

[Greg Parker]

Eugene,

I'm not calling them liars. These are very old memories, and they have seemingly conflated two entirely different episodes. That's why I said "misinformation", not "disinformation".

Gary DeLaun (sp?) at least had the story partly right. "... He walked down the ramp after he had sent money to one of his strippers Penny Dollar. She needed money so he telegraphed her money from the telegraph office and walked down into the Police Department basement."

I say partly because whether or not he came down the ramp is still an open question. Also, the stripper wasn't Penny Dollar, it was Karen Carlin aka Little Lynne.

A little research would reveal that she lied about needing the money. The FBI checked the story of being behind in rent. It wasn't true, so her husband changed the story to needing money for groceries and "medicine". Another lie. They were both dealing in drugs and running a brothel from their home. Even Karen's Grandmother told the DPD she (Karen) always had large amounts of cash on her.

Finally, the reputation of the BBC, doesn't mean you should automatically believe everything they broadcast. Do some fact checking for yourself.

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to believe you really believe what you've posted.

If you do believe it, I would respectfully suggest you need to check the fact for yourself.

Cheers,

Edited August 29, 2004 by Greg Parker

[John Simkin]

Here is a transcript of part of the radio  programme 'Something is Terribly Wrong' broadcast by BBC Radio 4 on November 22 2003.

The transcript deals with Jack Ruby's involvement in the shooting of Oswald. Please note the names of the people involved may not be spelt correctly. I have spelt the names according to their sound.The name DeLaun sounds like DeLawn but I feel DeLaun is perhaps a more likely spelling.

Interesting post. It was indeed Gordon McLendon. In 1963 rumours began to circulate that McLendon might have been involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. In their book, Deadly Secrets, Warren Hinckle and William Turner claim that Gerry P. Hemming obtained money from McLendon to help fund Interpen.

McLendon was also an associate of Jack Ruby as well as being friendly with several other suspects including Clint Murchison, Bobby Baker and David Atlee Phillips. Peter Dale Scott claims that McLendon made a secret trip to Mexico City just before the assassination.

According to Seth Kantor when Ruby was arrested he "shouted out for Gordon McLendon". The KLIF disc-jockey, Weird Beard, later told Kantor that Ruby "greatly admired McLendon".

Does this mean that they shared the same political views? A member of the Democratic Party, McLendon attempted to unseat Ralph Yarborough in 1964. He later left the party saying he could no longer support the policies of Lyndon B. Johnson.

McLendon sold KLIF for $10.5m in 1971. Over the next eight years he sold the rest of his radio stations for approximately $100m. Later it was estimated that McLendon was worth around $200m.

In 1975 McLendon and David Atlee Phillips formed the Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO).

You can find out more here:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmclendon.htm

[Steve Thomas]

Eugene,

Here is a transcript of part of the radio programme 'Something is Terribly Wrong' broadcast by BBC Radio 4 on November 22 2003.

You can read the WC testimony of Kenneth Dowe here:

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/dowe.htm

I think the other newsman is Gary DeLaune

I thought this part of Dowe's testimony was interesting:

"Mr. GRIFFIN. Is there any other reason that would give you occasion to remember your first meeting with Jack Ruby?

Mr. DOWE. None other than the fact that it was one of the first few days I was there; It was on that occasion that I met him. And also I was told that he was known around the station for procuring women for different people who came to town; record promoters. And this was a fact, and I was a little amazed at this, but nonetheless, that is what I know about him."

The transcript deals with Jack Ruby's involvement in the shooting of Oswald. Please note the names of the people involved may not be spelt correctly. I have spelt the names according to their sound.The name DeLaun sounds like DeLawn but I feel DeLaun is perhaps a more likely spelling.

William Duncan, who was at the radio station when Ruby arrived, placed the time of Ruby's arrival as with the sandwiches between 1:00 AM and 2:00 AM on Saturday morning November 23rd. His visit was preceeded by two phone calls.

It was Duncan whom Ruby arranged to talk with Henry Wade shortly after the midnight press conference on Friday night November 22nd.

see his FBI interview here: http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/...Vol19_0323a.htm

It's interesting that Kenneth Dowe told the FBI that Ruby called the station three times on Saturday afternoon.

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/...Vol19_0321a.htm

Steve Thomas

[William Kelly]

I wanted to revive this thread to review some of Ruby's associations with KLIF and Gordon McLendon.

BK

[William Kelly]

Here is a transcript of part of the radio programme 'Something is Terribly Wrong' broadcast by BBC Radio 4 on November 22 2003.

The transcript deals with Jack Ruby's involvement in the shooting of Oswald. Please note the names of the people involved may not be spelt correctly. I have spelt the names according to their sound.The name DeLaun sounds like DeLawn but I feel DeLaun is perhaps a more likely spelling.

Interesting post. It was indeed Gordon McLendon. In 1963 rumours began to circulate that McLendon might have been involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. In their book, Deadly Secrets, Warren Hinckle and William Turner claim that Gerry P. Hemming obtained money from McLendon to help fund Interpen.

McLendon was also an associate of Jack Ruby as well as being friendly with several other suspects including Clint Murchison, Bobby Baker and David Atlee Phillips. Peter Dale Scott claims that McLendon made a secret trip to Mexico City just before the assassination.

According to Seth Kantor when Ruby was arrested he "shouted out for Gordon McLendon". The KLIF disc-jockey, Weird Beard, later told Kantor that Ruby "greatly admired McLendon".

Does this mean that they shared the same political views? A member of the Democratic Party, McLendon attempted to unseat Ralph Yarborough in 1964. He later left the party saying he could no longer support the policies of Lyndon B. Johnson.

McLendon sold KLIF for $10.5m in 1971. Over the next eight years he sold the rest of his radio stations for approximately $100m. Later it was estimated that McLendon was worth around $200m.

In 1975 McLendon and David Atlee Phillips formed the Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO).

You can find out more here:

http://www.spartacus...JFKmclendon.htm

Did Seth Kantor really say Ruby shouted out for McLeondon? That's something else.

How about this story.

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