The Far-Right Conspiracy against the NHS

[Terry Mauro]

John, I couldn't have put it better myself. The wild accusations being flung about by American conservatives during the "debate" regarding health care reform would be laughable were it not for the fact that some of the more gullible members of the American public appear to have been taken in by them. Obama's popularity is, apparently, shrinking, and he seems to be backtracking on some aspects of his promised health care program

This video explains in detail the sudden "backtracking" with regards to Obama's healthcare reforms.

http://www.larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=11544

[Terry Mauro]

One Of Every 6 People Who Die In The UK Have Been Euthanized

Sept. 3 (LPAC)--

As reported in the Daily Telegraph in an article

entitled "Sentenced to death on the NHS," 16.5 percent, or one of

every 6 people, who died in the United Kingdom from 2007-2008,

had been subjected to "involuntary euthanasia." As Lyndon

LaRouche commented today, the fact that the truth is finally

coming out about the British healthcare policy, which is the

model for Obama's Nazi legislation, is the result of the fight

that LaRouche has led in the United States. This report comes at

the point that Obama's health care policy has been thoroughly

exposed in the U.S. and Obama is desperately trying to revive it.

The Daily Telegraph published a letter to the editor by

doctors and experts denouncing the NICE program called "Liverpool

Care Pathway," which was designed by the Marie Curie hospice in

Liverpool working with a team at the Royal Liverpool and

Broadgreen University Hospitals Trust. It was originally

developed as a way to care for cancer patients towards the end of

their life, but has been adapted to apply to all patients no

matter what their illness.

The signers of the letter denounce the program as giving

premature death sentences to patients by denying them fluids,

nutrition, medicine and treatment after making a determination

that they are close to death, a determination that is often

wrong. This program was recommended as a model by the NICE in

2004. It has been adopted nationwide and more the 300 hospitals,

130 hospices and 540 care homes in England currently use the

system.

The date 2004 is significant, because it means that the

program was put into effect by NICE during the regime of Tony

Blair. Blair's healthcare advisor from 2000-2004 was Simon

Stevens, who is now with United Health Care in the U.S., which

has the exclusive franchise to provide insurance for AARP

members, and is a strong supporter of the Obama plan.

The program is denounced because patients are wrongly put on

the pathway, which creates a self-fulfilling prophecy that they

would die. In 2007-2008, 16.5 percent of the deaths in Britain

came about after continuous deep sedation, according to

researchers at the Barts and the London School of Medicine and

Dentistry, twice as many as in Belgium and the Netherlands.

Criticism of the LCP has long been simmering beneath the

surface in the UK. Back in December 1999, even before the LCP

program was formerly recommended by NICE, Dr. Adrian Treloar, now

a psycho-geriatrician and senior lecturer at the Greenwich

Hospital and the Guys, Kings, and St. Thomas's Hospitals in

London, denounced the British NHS for involuntary euthanasia. At

that time the British Medical Association (BMA) had issued

guidelines that said that doctors should be allowed to authorize

withdrawal of food and water by tube for victims of severe stroke

and dementia who can no longer express their wishes. The guidance

said: "Doctors should have the final say over whether treatment

including feeding and giving water is in the patient's best

interest. It is not always appropriate to prolong life."

More recently on April 26, 2008, Dr. Adrian Treloar, warned

in a letter to the British Medical Journal, that the Liverpool

Care Pathway is a blueprint for systematic euthanasia of disabled

patients. "Combined with withdrawal of fluids, deep sedation

leads quickly to death. Treloar wrote that the LCP threatens

patients because its eligibility criteria do not ensure that only

people who are about to die are allowed on the pathway. They

allow people who are thought to be dying, are bed-bound, and are

unable to take tablets, onto the pathway. In chronic disease such

as dementia, dying may take years, but such patients may be

eligible. GPs often put patients on to such a pathway without

palliative care advice."

Treloar expressed concern that sedation is being used as an

inexpensive alternative to assessment and specialist treatment.

The LCP recommends sedatives and opiates for all patients on an

`as required' basis, even when they are not agitated, in pain, or

distressed. An automatic pathway towards prescribing heavy

sedatives incurs risks. Moreover, the LCP recommends setting up a

syringe driver within four hours of a doctor's order. This is

laudable, if it is needed. But the pathway encourages the use of

syringe drivers even when symptoms can be managed without them.

The pathway doesn't mention the need for food and fluids.

In the letter, Treloar cites a Dutch study of the LCP:

"Reitjens et al. show that withholding artificial nutrition and

hydration is the norm. The LCPs omission of prompts to reconsider

nutrition and hydration may allow serious errors in the care of

dying patients. It is not acceptable, as Murray et al. suggest,

that assessing nutrition and hydration are not part of the

pathway. Sedation is right in some situations. But as Murray et

al. point out, the anticipated outcome of continuous deep

sedation is death. We must learn from Reitjens et al.'s

observation that continuous deep sedation may replace

euthanasia."

On Aug. 13, 2009, Adam Brimelow, BBC news health

correspondent, warned that there is evidence that some clinicians

may already be using continuous deep sedation (CDS), as a form of

slow euthanasia. Professor Clive Seale, at Barts and the London

School of Medicine and Dentistry, reports that in the UK the

prevalence of continuous deep sedation until death is very high

indeed, 16.5% of all UK deaths. (wfw)

Letter to the Editor of the Daily Telegraph Exposes NICE Murder

Policy

Sept. 3 (LPAC)--The following letter to the editor of the Daily

Telegraph is merely the latest, most explosive exposure of the

Nazi health policy implemented in Britain under Tony Blair and

his health adviser, Simon Stevens, who is now working with United

Health in collaboration with AARP. The report by the Patients'

Association referred to in the letter, exposed that one million

NHS patients received cruel or neglectful care. Another recent

report, by the National Patient Safety Agency (NPSA), estimates

that the number of NHS patients who have been given the wrong

medicine has doubled in the last two years. A further report

indicates that a third of patients are being treated by nurses

rather than doctors at General Practioner surgeries.

This is the policy which Obama is desperately attempting to

impose on the population of the United States of America on

behalf of his British controllers.

The LaRouche PAC has been denounced and violently attacked

for denouncing Obama's policy as Nazi. Instead, opponents of this

Nazi policy at town meetings across the nation have been

denounced by the likes of Nancy Pelosi, among other allies of

Obama, as Nazis.

Here is the evidence of what is in store for Americans if

Obama were to succeed. You decide who is the Nazi.

"SIR The Patients Association has done well to expose the poor

treatment of elderly patients in some parts of the NHS (report,

August 27). We would like to draw attention to the new gold

standard treatment of those categorised as dying. Forecasting

death is an inexact science.

"Just as, in the financial world, so-called algorithmic

banking has caused problems by blindly following a computer

model, so a similar tick-box approach to the management of death

is causing a national crisis in care.

"The Government is rolling out a new treatment pattern of

palliative care into hospitals, nursing and residential homes. It

is based on experience in a Liverpool hospice. If you tick all

the right boxes in the Liverpool Care Pathway, the inevitable

outcome of the consequent treatment is death.

"As a result, a nationwide wave of discontent is building

up, as family and friends witness the denial of fluids and food

to patients. Syringe drivers are being used to give continuous

terminal sedation, without regard to the fact that the diagnosis

could be wrong.

"It is disturbing that in the year 2007-2008, 16.5 per cent

of deaths came about after terminal sedation. Experienced doctors

know that sometimes, when all but essential drugs are stopped,

dying patients get better."

P. H. Millard

Emeritus Professor of Geriatrics University of London

Dr Anthony Cole

Chairman, Medical Ethics Alliance

Dr Peter Hargreaves

Consultant in Palliative Medicine

Dr David Hill

Fellow of the Faculty of Anaesthetists of the Royal College of

Surgeons

Dr Elizabeth Negus

Lecturer, Barking University

Dowager Lady Salisbury

Chairman, Choose Life

Edited September 4, 2009 by Terry Mauro

[John Simkin]

One Of Every 6 People Who Die In The UK Have Been Euthanized

Sept. 3 (LPAC)--

As reported in the Daily Telegraph in an article

entitled "Sentenced to death on the NHS," 16.5 percent, or one of

every 6 people, who died in the United Kingdom from 2007-2008,

had been subjected to "involuntary euthanasia." As Lyndon

LaRouche commented today, the fact that the truth is finally

coming out about the British healthcare policy, which is the

model for Obama's Nazi legislation, is the result of the fight

that LaRouche has led in the United States. This report comes at

the point that Obama's health care policy has been thoroughly

exposed in the U.S. and Obama is desperately trying to revive it.

The Daily Telegraph published a letter to the editor by

doctors and experts denouncing the NICE program called "Liverpool

Care Pathway," which was designed by the Marie Curie hospice in

Liverpool working with a team at the Royal Liverpool and

Broadgreen University Hospitals Trust. It was originally

developed as a way to care for cancer patients towards the end of

their life, but has been adapted to apply to all patients no

matter what their illness.

The signers of the letter denounce the program as giving

premature death sentences to patients by denying them fluids,

nutrition, medicine and treatment after making a determination

that they are close to death, a determination that is often

wrong. This program was recommended as a model by the NICE in

2004. It has been adopted nationwide and more the 300 hospitals,

130 hospices and 540 care homes in England currently use the

system.

The date 2004 is significant, because it means that the

program was put into effect by NICE during the regime of Tony

Blair. Blair's healthcare advisor from 2000-2004 was Simon

Stevens, who is now with United Health Care in the U.S., which

has the exclusive franchise to provide insurance for AARP

members, and is a strong supporter of the Obama plan.

The program is denounced because patients are wrongly put on

the pathway, which creates a self-fulfilling prophecy that they

would die. In 2007-2008, 16.5 percent of the deaths in Britain

came about after continuous deep sedation, according to

researchers at the Barts and the London School of Medicine and

Dentistry, twice as many as in Belgium and the Netherlands.

Criticism of the LCP has long been simmering beneath the

surface in the UK. Back in December 1999, even before the LCP

program was formerly recommended by NICE, Dr. Adrian Treloar, now

a psycho-geriatrician and senior lecturer at the Greenwich

Hospital and the Guys, Kings, and St. Thomas's Hospitals in

London, denounced the British NHS for involuntary euthanasia. At

that time the British Medical Association (BMA) had issued

guidelines that said that doctors should be allowed to authorize

withdrawal of food and water by tube for victims of severe stroke

and dementia who can no longer express their wishes. The guidance

said: "Doctors should have the final say over whether treatment

including feeding and giving water is in the patient's best

interest. It is not always appropriate to prolong life."

More recently on April 26, 2008, Dr. Adrian Treloar, warned

in a letter to the British Medical Journal, that the Liverpool

Care Pathway is a blueprint for systematic euthanasia of disabled

patients. "Combined with withdrawal of fluids, deep sedation

leads quickly to death. Treloar wrote that the LCP threatens

patients because its eligibility criteria do not ensure that only

people who are about to die are allowed on the pathway. They

allow people who are thought to be dying, are bed-bound, and are

unable to take tablets, onto the pathway. In chronic disease such

as dementia, dying may take years, but such patients may be

eligible. GPs often put patients on to such a pathway without

palliative care advice."

Treloar expressed concern that sedation is being used as an

inexpensive alternative to assessment and specialist treatment.

The LCP recommends sedatives and opiates for all patients on an

`as required' basis, even when they are not agitated, in pain, or

distressed. An automatic pathway towards prescribing heavy

sedatives incurs risks. Moreover, the LCP recommends setting up a

syringe driver within four hours of a doctor's order. This is

laudable, if it is needed. But the pathway encourages the use of

syringe drivers even when symptoms can be managed without them.

The pathway doesn't mention the need for food and fluids.

In the letter, Treloar cites a Dutch study of the LCP:

"Reitjens et al. show that withholding artificial nutrition and

hydration is the norm. The LCPs omission of prompts to reconsider

nutrition and hydration may allow serious errors in the care of

dying patients. It is not acceptable, as Murray et al. suggest,

that assessing nutrition and hydration are not part of the

pathway. Sedation is right in some situations. But as Murray et

al. point out, the anticipated outcome of continuous deep

sedation is death. We must learn from Reitjens et al.'s

observation that continuous deep sedation may replace

euthanasia."

On Aug. 13, 2009, Adam Brimelow, BBC news health

correspondent, warned that there is evidence that some clinicians

may already be using continuous deep sedation (CDS), as a form of

slow euthanasia. Professor Clive Seale, at Barts and the London

School of Medicine and Dentistry, reports that in the UK the

prevalence of continuous deep sedation until death is very high

indeed, 16.5% of all UK deaths. (wfw)

Letter to the Editor of the Daily Telegraph Exposes NICE Murder

Policy

Sept. 3 (LPAC)--The following letter to the editor of the Daily

Telegraph is merely the latest, most explosive exposure of the

Nazi health policy implemented in Britain under Tony Blair and

his health adviser, Simon Stevens, who is now working with United

Health in collaboration with AARP. The report by the Patients'

Association referred to in the letter, exposed that one million

NHS patients received cruel or neglectful care. Another recent

report, by the National Patient Safety Agency (NPSA), estimates

that the number of NHS patients who have been given the wrong

medicine has doubled in the last two years. A further report

indicates that a third of patients are being treated by nurses

rather than doctors at General Practioner surgeries.

This is the policy which Obama is desperately attempting to

impose on the population of the United States of America on

behalf of his British controllers.

The LaRouche PAC has been denounced and violently attacked

for denouncing Obama's policy as Nazi. Instead, opponents of this

Nazi policy at town meetings across the nation have been

denounced by the likes of Nancy Pelosi, among other allies of

Obama, as Nazis.

Here is the evidence of what is in store for Americans if

Obama were to succeed. You decide who is the Nazi.

"SIR The Patients Association has done well to expose the poor

treatment of elderly patients in some parts of the NHS (report,

August 27). We would like to draw attention to the new gold

standard treatment of those categorised as dying. Forecasting

death is an inexact science.

"Just as, in the financial world, so-called algorithmic

banking has caused problems by blindly following a computer

model, so a similar tick-box approach to the management of death

is causing a national crisis in care.

"The Government is rolling out a new treatment pattern of

palliative care into hospitals, nursing and residential homes. It

is based on experience in a Liverpool hospice. If you tick all

the right boxes in the Liverpool Care Pathway, the inevitable

outcome of the consequent treatment is death.

"As a result, a nationwide wave of discontent is building

up, as family and friends witness the denial of fluids and food

to patients. Syringe drivers are being used to give continuous

terminal sedation, without regard to the fact that the diagnosis

could be wrong.

"It is disturbing that in the year 2007-2008, 16.5 per cent

of deaths came about after terminal sedation. Experienced doctors

know that sometimes, when all but essential drugs are stopped,

dying patients get better."

P. H. Millard

Emeritus Professor of Geriatrics University of London

Dr Anthony Cole

Chairman, Medical Ethics Alliance

Dr Peter Hargreaves

Consultant in Palliative Medicine

Dr David Hill

Fellow of the Faculty of Anaesthetists of the Royal College of

Surgeons

Dr Elizabeth Negus

Lecturer, Barking University

Dowager Lady Salisbury

Chairman, Choose Life

This is clearly a hoax. Britain does not have a Barking University.

[Guest]

This is clearly a hoax. Britain does not have a Barking University.

might be Luton

[Terry Mauro]

One Of Every 6 People Who Die In The UK Have Been Euthanized

Sept. 3 (LPAC)--

As reported in the Daily Telegraph in an article

entitled "Sentenced to death on the NHS," 16.5 percent, or one of

every 6 people, who died in the United Kingdom from 2007-2008,

had been subjected to "involuntary euthanasia." As Lyndon

LaRouche commented today, the fact that the truth is finally

coming out about the British healthcare policy, which is the

model for Obama's Nazi legislation, is the result of the fight

that LaRouche has led in the United States. This report comes at

the point that Obama's health care policy has been thoroughly

exposed in the U.S. and Obama is desperately trying to revive it.

The Daily Telegraph published a letter to the editor by

doctors and experts denouncing the NICE program called "Liverpool

Care Pathway," which was designed by the Marie Curie hospice in

Liverpool working with a team at the Royal Liverpool and

Broadgreen University Hospitals Trust. It was originally

developed as a way to care for cancer patients towards the end of

their life, but has been adapted to apply to all patients no

matter what their illness.

The signers of the letter denounce the program as giving

premature death sentences to patients by denying them fluids,

nutrition, medicine and treatment after making a determination

that they are close to death, a determination that is often

wrong. This program was recommended as a model by the NICE in

2004. It has been adopted nationwide and more the 300 hospitals,

130 hospices and 540 care homes in England currently use the

system.

The date 2004 is significant, because it means that the

program was put into effect by NICE during the regime of Tony

Blair. Blair's healthcare advisor from 2000-2004 was Simon

Stevens, who is now with United Health Care in the U.S., which

has the exclusive franchise to provide insurance for AARP

members, and is a strong supporter of the Obama plan.

The program is denounced because patients are wrongly put on

the pathway, which creates a self-fulfilling prophecy that they

would die. In 2007-2008, 16.5 percent of the deaths in Britain

came about after continuous deep sedation, according to

researchers at the Barts and the London School of Medicine and

Dentistry, twice as many as in Belgium and the Netherlands.

Criticism of the LCP has long been simmering beneath the

surface in the UK. Back in December 1999, even before the LCP

program was formerly recommended by NICE, Dr. Adrian Treloar, now

a psycho-geriatrician and senior lecturer at the Greenwich

Hospital and the Guys, Kings, and St. Thomas's Hospitals in

London, denounced the British NHS for involuntary euthanasia. At

that time the British Medical Association (BMA) had issued

guidelines that said that doctors should be allowed to authorize

withdrawal of food and water by tube for victims of severe stroke

and dementia who can no longer express their wishes. The guidance

said: "Doctors should have the final say over whether treatment

including feeding and giving water is in the patient's best

interest. It is not always appropriate to prolong life."

More recently on April 26, 2008, Dr. Adrian Treloar, warned

in a letter to the British Medical Journal, that the Liverpool

Care Pathway is a blueprint for systematic euthanasia of disabled

patients. "Combined with withdrawal of fluids, deep sedation

leads quickly to death. Treloar wrote that the LCP threatens

patients because its eligibility criteria do not ensure that only

people who are about to die are allowed on the pathway. They

allow people who are thought to be dying, are bed-bound, and are

unable to take tablets, onto the pathway. In chronic disease such

as dementia, dying may take years, but such patients may be

eligible. GPs often put patients on to such a pathway without

palliative care advice."

Treloar expressed concern that sedation is being used as an

inexpensive alternative to assessment and specialist treatment.

The LCP recommends sedatives and opiates for all patients on an

`as required' basis, even when they are not agitated, in pain, or

distressed. An automatic pathway towards prescribing heavy

sedatives incurs risks. Moreover, the LCP recommends setting up a

syringe driver within four hours of a doctor's order. This is

laudable, if it is needed. But the pathway encourages the use of

syringe drivers even when symptoms can be managed without them.

The pathway doesn't mention the need for food and fluids.

In the letter, Treloar cites a Dutch study of the LCP:

"Reitjens et al. show that withholding artificial nutrition and

hydration is the norm. The LCPs omission of prompts to reconsider

nutrition and hydration may allow serious errors in the care of

dying patients. It is not acceptable, as Murray et al. suggest,

that assessing nutrition and hydration are not part of the

pathway. Sedation is right in some situations. But as Murray et

al. point out, the anticipated outcome of continuous deep

sedation is death. We must learn from Reitjens et al.'s

observation that continuous deep sedation may replace

euthanasia."

On Aug. 13, 2009, Adam Brimelow, BBC news health

correspondent, warned that there is evidence that some clinicians

may already be using continuous deep sedation (CDS), as a form of

slow euthanasia. Professor Clive Seale, at Barts and the London

School of Medicine and Dentistry, reports that in the UK the

prevalence of continuous deep sedation until death is very high

indeed, 16.5% of all UK deaths. (wfw)

Letter to the Editor of the Daily Telegraph Exposes NICE Murder

Policy

Sept. 3 (LPAC)--The following letter to the editor of the Daily

Telegraph is merely the latest, most explosive exposure of the

Nazi health policy implemented in Britain under Tony Blair and

his health adviser, Simon Stevens, who is now working with United

Health in collaboration with AARP. The report by the Patients'

Association referred to in the letter, exposed that one million

NHS patients received cruel or neglectful care. Another recent

report, by the National Patient Safety Agency (NPSA), estimates

that the number of NHS patients who have been given the wrong

medicine has doubled in the last two years. A further report

indicates that a third of patients are being treated by nurses

rather than doctors at General Practioner surgeries.

This is the policy which Obama is desperately attempting to

impose on the population of the United States of America on

behalf of his British controllers.

The LaRouche PAC has been denounced and violently attacked

for denouncing Obama's policy as Nazi. Instead, opponents of this

Nazi policy at town meetings across the nation have been

denounced by the likes of Nancy Pelosi, among other allies of

Obama, as Nazis.

Here is the evidence of what is in store for Americans if

Obama were to succeed. You decide who is the Nazi.

"SIR The Patients Association has done well to expose the poor

treatment of elderly patients in some parts of the NHS (report,

August 27). We would like to draw attention to the new gold

standard treatment of those categorised as dying. Forecasting

death is an inexact science.

"Just as, in the financial world, so-called algorithmic

banking has caused problems by blindly following a computer

model, so a similar tick-box approach to the management of death

is causing a national crisis in care.

"The Government is rolling out a new treatment pattern of

palliative care into hospitals, nursing and residential homes. It

is based on experience in a Liverpool hospice. If you tick all

the right boxes in the Liverpool Care Pathway, the inevitable

outcome of the consequent treatment is death.

"As a result, a nationwide wave of discontent is building

up, as family and friends witness the denial of fluids and food

to patients. Syringe drivers are being used to give continuous

terminal sedation, without regard to the fact that the diagnosis

could be wrong.

"It is disturbing that in the year 2007-2008, 16.5 per cent

of deaths came about after terminal sedation. Experienced doctors

know that sometimes, when all but essential drugs are stopped,

dying patients get better."

P. H. Millard

Emeritus Professor of Geriatrics University of London

Dr Anthony Cole

Chairman, Medical Ethics Alliance

Dr Peter Hargreaves

Consultant in Palliative Medicine

Dr David Hill

Fellow of the Faculty of Anaesthetists of the Royal College of

Surgeons

Dr Elizabeth Negus

Lecturer, Barking University

Dowager Lady Salisbury

Chairman, Choose Life

This is clearly a hoax. Britain does not have a Barking University.

John, you should contact the BBC and inform them. They distributed the story .

Dr Peter Hargreaves, a consultant in palliative medicine, Dr David Hill, fellow of the Faculty of Anaesthetists of the Royal College of Surgeons, Dr Elizabeth Negus, a lecturer at Barking University, and Dowager Lady Salisbury, chairman of Choose Life, were the other signatories

http://www.rocketnews.com/2009/09/crisis-o...nally-ill-care/

Dr Elizabeth Negus ?

http://web-dev-csc.gre.ac.uk/conference/co...117&pId=726

Edited September 5, 2009 by Terry Mauro

[Mike Tribe]

I'm afraid she's right, John. The article, which is truncated in the version she uses, did appear on the BBC new website and refers to a letter printed in the Telegraph. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters...g-patients.html. I don't see what it has to do with the lunatic views she put forward in the first post, however. It seems to refer to a debate within the medical profession with regard to the correct form of palliative care for terminal patients. Presumably, "Barking University" refers to the Barking campus of the University of East London.

Edited September 5, 2009 by Mike Tribe

[Terry Mauro]

I'm afraid she's right, John. The article, which is truncated in the version she uses, did appear on the BBC new website and refers to a letter printed in the Telegraph. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters...g-patients.html. I don't see what it has to do with the lunatic views she put forward in the first post, however. It seems to refer to a debate within the medical profession with regard to the correct form of palliative care for terminal patients. Presumably, "Barking University" refers to the Barking campus of the University of East London.

You don't see what it has to do with the views I put forth? Perhaps you need to read the letter to the editor!

And if that doesnt clarify the issue for you then let me suggest that you watch this video.

http://www.larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=11666

[Len Colby]

So far I have yet to see anyone claiming NHS policy has lead to the premature death of any specific patients. If it were true they should be able to cite numerous examples, e.g. "Ann Jones 79, of Liverpool died after she was denied care at Liverpool General Hospital"

I wonder also if the letter writers were correct why they had so little support from the geriatric medical community Dr. Cole is a pediatrician, Dr. Negus PHD is a Eng Lit teacher.

[Terry Mauro]

So far I have yet to see anyone claiming NHS policy has lead to the premature death of any specific patients. If it were true they should be able to cite numerous examples, e.g. "Ann Jones 79, of Liverpool died after she was denied care at Liverpool General Hospital"

I wonder also if the letter writers were correct why they had so little support from the geriatric medical community Dr. Cole is a pediatrician, Dr. Negus PHD is a Eng Lit teacher.

Like father like son.

[John Simkin]

You don't see what it has to do with the views I put forth? Perhaps you need to read the letter to the editor!

And if that doesnt clarify the issue for you then let me suggest that you watch this video.

http://www.larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=11666

I am amazed that you continue to post these ridiculous attacks on the NHS. Why are you in favour of the multinational drug and insurance corporations? Are they the new funders of the LaRouche organisation?

The NHS is far from being perfect. It is under-funded and I would like to see more money spent on health-care and less on nuclear weapons and the invasion and occupation of foreign countries. However, as a means of protecting people, regardless of income, it takes some beating. Anyway, it appears to be far superior to the one that exists in the United States. For example, the World Health Organisation ranks Britain's healthcare as 18th in the world, while the US is in 37th place.

[Len Colby]

So far I have yet to see anyone claiming NHS policy has lead to the premature death of any specific patients. If it were true they should be able to cite numerous examples, e.g. "Ann Jones 79, of Liverpool died after she was denied care at Liverpool General Hospital"

I wonder also if the letter writers were correct why they had so little support from the geriatric medical community Dr. Cole is a pediatrician, Dr. Negus PHD is a Eng Lit teacher.

Like father like son.

You should stick to parroting your “master” when you chirp in your own thoughts you come across as bird brained. Your dumb adhom was obviously the response of someone otherwise unable to reply. You should also stick to the Deep Phertalizer Forum it’s more at your level.

[Terry Mauro]

So far I have yet to see anyone claiming NHS policy has lead to the premature death of any specific patients. If it were true they should be able to cite numerous examples, e.g. "Ann Jones 79, of Liverpool died after she was denied care at Liverpool General Hospital"

I wonder also if the letter writers were correct why they had so little support from the geriatric medical community Dr. Cole is a pediatrician, Dr. Negus PHD is a Eng Lit teacher.

Like father like son.

You should stick to parroting your “master” when you chirp in your own thoughts you come across as bird brained. Your dumb adhom was obviously the response of someone otherwise unable to reply. You should also stick to the Deep Phertalizer Forum it’s more at your level.

"Unable to respond"? I'd say I hit the mark.

[Terry Mauro]

Hysterical New York Times Defends Obama's Euthanasia

September 7, 2009 (LPAC)--The New York Times dragged out

columnist Ross Douthat again yesterday for a defense of Obama's

Hitlerian health-care agenda. The latest Douthat column promotes

Obama's euthanasia counselor Ezekiel Emanuel as an opponent of

assisted suicide. Not bothered by logic, Douthat then proceeds to

attack the U.S. population for its blind allegiance to fighting

death.

Douthat acknowledges "the recent controversy over Great

Britain's Liverpool Care Pathway, whose ... approach to dying

patients may involve withdrawing care before their death is

actually certain." He says it might be connected to "a

particularly sinister form of rationing."

This is the program which murders 1 in 6 of the Britons who

die, imposed by the National Health Service's NICE agency Obama

touts as his model for the U.S.A.

But Douthat suggests that assisted suicide would likely be

{preferred} by Americans to this efficient British non-voluntary

approach -- because our population stubbornly seeks to control

death, spending extravagant amounts to save lives, and suicide is

one means of control!

Douthat writes that Americans' "goal is perfect autonomy,

perfect control, and absolute freedom of choice. And in each

case, the alternative approach, one that emphasizes the limits of

human agency, and the importance of humility in the face of

death's mysteries doesn't mesh with our national DNA."

And "in the profligate, Promethean United States, it

probably won't lead to rationing-by-euthanasia. ...[Assisted

suicide is] just as likely to become one more intervention that

we insist every health insurance plan should cover on our way,

perhaps, to a rendezvous with fiscal suicide."

Douthat (pronounced "yes mein Fuehrer, do-that") has

previously written with alarm about the LaRouche presence

everywhere in this debate, and proclaimed his disgust at the

spectacle of elderly people, a "sea of septuagenarians: some in

wheelchairs, some clutching walkers, some dragging dialysis

machines," clinging to life despite the cost, and sticking their

noses in the national debate.

Edited September 8, 2009 by Terry Mauro

[Len Colby]

So far I have yet to see anyone claiming NHS policy has lead to the premature death of any specific patients. If it were true they should be able to cite numerous examples, e.g. "Ann Jones 79, of Liverpool died after she was denied care at Liverpool General Hospital"

I wonder also if the letter writers were correct why they had so little support from the geriatric medical community Dr. Cole is a pediatrician, Dr. Negus PHD is a Eng Lit teacher.

Like father like son.

You should stick to parroting your “master” when you chirp in your own thoughts you come across as bird brained. Your dumb adhom was obviously the response of someone otherwise unable to reply. You should also stick to the Deep Phertalizer Forum it’s more at your level.

"Unable to respond"? I'd say I hit the mark.

Not being able to refute my points you resorted to an irrelevant ad hom, as I said stick to what you do best, mindlessly repeating the pronouncements of your guru.

You should realize that no one here but you accepts the 'LaRouche says so, therefore it's so' standard of proof. He says "the program which murders 1 in 6 of the Britons who die, imposed by the National Health Service's NICE agency" but offers no evidence in support of this claim.

[Terry Mauro]

So far I have yet to see anyone claiming NHS policy has lead to the premature death of any specific patients. If it were true they should be able to cite numerous examples, e.g. "Ann Jones 79, of Liverpool died after she was denied care at Liverpool General Hospital"

I wonder also if the letter writers were correct why they had so little support from the geriatric medical community Dr. Cole is a pediatrician, Dr. Negus PHD is a Eng Lit teacher.

Like father like son.

You should stick to parroting your “master” when you chirp in your own thoughts you come across as bird brained. Your dumb adhom was obviously the response of someone otherwise unable to reply. You should also stick to the Deep Phertalizer Forum it’s more at your level.

"Unable to respond"? I'd say I hit the mark.

Not being able to refute my points you resorted to an irrelevant ad hom, as I said stick to what you do best, mindlessly repeating the pronouncements of your guru.

You should realize that no one here but you accepts the 'LaRouche says so, therefore it's so' standard of proof. He says "the program which murders 1 in 6 of the Britons who die, imposed by the National Health Service's NICE agency" but offers no evidence in support of this claim.

Wrong as usual. I pointed out that you were exactly like your father. This was the guy who could not find a shred of "evidence" linking his employers products to an increase in the death rates of their customers.

Now like your father (who was likely a more sophisticated and practiced sophist) you pee around the bush asking for names and address of those patients killed as a result of the rationing policy imposed by NICE.

You're like a little kid "no one here likes LaRouche". The last time you pulled that stunt , Douglas Caddy threw it right back in your face, showing how ignorant you are of the truth.

Edited September 9, 2009 by Terry Mauro