Has anyone attempted to explain....

[Mark Knight]

Lamson won't take your challenge. He'd rather engage in asking "Do you still beat your wife?" questions, to which the only correct answer is whatever Lamson says it is. In Lamson's eyes, if you ever made ONE mistake in your life, then EVERYTHING you've ever done is suspect, because you used the same mind and skills and experience to make the wrong decision that you use to make all the other decisions...or at least that's how I read his line of logic.

Lamson would rather be "right" in an argument than actually discover the truth, IMHO...and "discussing" anything with Lamson ultimately ends up being a collossal waste of time. There are countless topics on the Education Forum that have disintegrated into "discussions" with Lamson that end up going nowhere, generating considerable heat on the topic but little to no light.

Proceed to engage Lamson at your own risk...but "I told you so"...

Edited November 8, 2009 by Mark Knight

[Craig Lamson]

Well if you had read the other thread you would see that I checked Jack's work on the Betzner photo

Just HOW did you"check" Jacks work? Based on WHAT expertise?

So no I dont just "believe" I check everything that Jack has done that revolves around my specific areas of research

Wait a second you said "Jack is right in my opinion most of the time". So, unless you have checked ALL of his work (based on what expertise we still don't know) you must simply BELIEVE Jack is rightt "most of the time". Sheesh Dean, the truth will set you free. Try it sometime.

I told you Jack is not always right but you want me to say that Jack has been wrong on everything he has ever done

Which is it Dean. You told us Jack has it TOTALLY wrong in respect to Apollo. He blew it 100 percent. Yet using the same tools, skills and rational, he gets it right "most of the time" with JFK(well that a little untruth on your part because you have also told us you have only "checked" Jacks work "that revolves around my specific areas of research") Truth be told you really don't have the first clue about what Jack has right or wrong.

Why do you want me to talk bad about Jack? That seems to be your #1 goal

Talk bad about Jack? I just want to to tell the TRUTH about Jacks work. That seems mighty hard for you. In fact it's starting to look like you lack the skills and training to even understand the work in question. To that point, I'll ask the question again that you have dodged. What is your expertise in the film/video/photo areas? Inquiring minds really want to know.

So lets move on to your work on proving Costella was wrong

The bottom line is that I dont really use or rely on Costella work for any of my research, I have never talked to Costella and he has never talked to me

"Don't really use or rely"? Now how does that work Don? Either you use his work or you don't. You can't have it both ways.

Costella is a newer researcher on the case in terms of the researchers who I agree with and look up to

So what I read in your links makes sense to me and Costella could be wrong

Again this is black and white Dean. Either he is correct or he is not. There is NO middle ground. And again I'm left wondering if you are just going on BELIEF or if you actually did the work to CHECK FOR YOURSELF. This is photo 101 stuff Dean and if you can't say for certain one way or the other its starting to look quite clear you are yet another deer in the headlights wannabe who can't buy a clue.

But again I dont use his research for anything I do, I have watched his combined edit of the Z-film but have never used it (I use Groden's unspliced copy)

Is that "dont really" or "don't"...you keep contradicting yourself. Not a very confidence inspiring trait Dean.

I have also read his sections of TGZFH, I have nothing to say good or bad about his work

It's not a question of 'good' or 'bad" but right or wrong. He must be one of those Dean, which one is it?

If you would calm down just a little bit and stop trying to bait me into insulting researchers I like then I will have no problems at all replying to your questions

I'm very calm Dean, in fact I'm having one heck of a good time watching you spin like a top. Sorry Dean but if you think its an insult to show the errors and falsehoods in someones work, well,you have a really beg problem, or else you live in a fantasy.

Dean

Im not going to play this game with you

You have no idea what I have done with this case yet you say I have no clue and dont know anything about the assassination in your eyes

I will set you straight on one point I DO NOT use Costellas work, sorry I said "I dont really" the first time thats my fault

You keep putting words in my mouth in regards to Jacks Apollo work, I will not slander Jack's name for anyone, including you

I have researched the photographic evidence for 20 years, in my way, not your way, im am not a pro photographer, I do not work in the photo industry

According to you if you dont have your type of background you can not judge any of the photo evidence

Do you know how crazy that is?

Im hate tooting my own horn (looks like you cant get enough of doing that to yourself) but I will bet $100.00 I know twice as much about the assassination then you do

Lets take a test, I ask you 20 questions about the assassination then you ask me 20 questions abbout the assassination, if you are honest then you wont look up the questions online real quick

What do say Craig?

Want to prove how stupid I am and how I know nothing about the assassination?

Boy Dean you have very soft buttons. I suggest you learn to read. Nowhere did I even mention you know nothing about the assassination. If I did then point it out. If not man up and admit your error...that is if you can man up. I was quite clear. You know nothing about photography. Since you know nothing about photography your "analysis" of the photographic record is worthless.

Thanks for telling us all you don't have the first clue about the photographic process. You are simply yet another hack who thinks they know "alteration". You and Jack White...the perfect pair. What a hoot!

I've no doubt you think you "know" more about the assassination than I do. Why? Because I really dont care the least bit about it, other than the photography. I don't care who killed JFK. I don't care about LHO, Greer, LBJ or Ruby, I'm not interested in any of the arcane musings about who might have done what. Heck I don't even think JFK is worth all this misguided effort, but hey to each his own. It is however quite a gas to puncture the hot air bellowing from the scores of CT wannabe photo experts. Even better when you can puncture a moron PhD. But I digress. I deal in photographic fact.

Don't really know how "smart" you are about the assassination, but I don't really care. What I do know now is how not so smart you are when it comes to photography.

So Deano is Jack White right or wrong that the Apollo photographs were all faked? Put your own words right here....if you have the intellectual honesty to do so.

[Craig Lamson]

Lamson won't take your challenge. He'd rather engage in asking "Do you still beat your wife?" questions, to which the only correct answer is whatever Lamson says it is. In Lamson's eyes, if you ever made ONE mistake in your life, then EVERYTHING you've ever done is suspect, because you used the same mind and skills and experience to make the wrong decision that you use to make all the other decisions...or at least that's how I read his line of logic.

Lamson would rather be "right" in an argument than actually discover the truth, IMHO...and "discussing" anything with Lamson ultimately ends up being a collossal waste of time. There are countless topics on the Education Forum that have disintegrated into "discussions" with Lamson that end up going nowhere, generating considerable heat on the topic but little to no light.

Proceed to engage Lamson at your own risk...but "I told you so"...

Yes Mark you are correct there are countless arguments on this forum where moron ct's who don't have the first clue about photogrpahy get schooled. The real truth burns holes in their brains and all they can do is run and hide.

And actually I celebrate the making of mistakes and the growth process that is the result IF one has the intellectual honesty to admit the error and grow and learn from it. You don't find much of that in the CT community however, at least when to it comes to the photography.

Edited November 8, 2009 by Craig Lamson

[Craig Lamson]

Lamson won't take your challenge. He'd rather engage in asking "Do you still beat your wife?" questions, to which the only correct answer is whatever Lamson says it is. In Lamson's eyes, if you ever made ONE mistake in your life, then EVERYTHING you've ever done is suspect, because you used the same mind and skills and experience to make the wrong decision that you use to make all the other decisions...or at least that's how I read his line of logic.

Lamson would rather be "right" in an argument than actually discover the truth, IMHO...and "discussing" anything with Lamson ultimately ends up being a collossal waste of time. There are countless topics on the Education Forum that have disintegrated into "discussions" with Lamson that end up going nowhere, generating considerable heat on the topic but little to no light.

Proceed to engage Lamson at your own risk...but "I told you so"...

Take Mark's advice, Mr. Hagerman. And consider that you're stuck in "discussions" with someone who "really [doesn't] care the least bit about it ..... who killed JFK .... about LHO, Greer, LBJ or Ruby ... [who's] not interested in any of the arcane musings about who might have done what .... [and doesn't] even think JFK is worth all this misguided effort," and yet is someone who sets up email notifications for threads to be sure he can respond as quickly as possible ..... Think about that, Mr. Hagerman, and ask yourself if it isn't crazy and a waste of effort.

Sincerely.

Well well, look who is back, mr. deathwish himself! The perfect example of the tolerant "progressive". Well mr. deathwish, once again you seem to posess superhuman powers, and have the ability to peer into my computer and decided I have email notifications for this forums postings. Sorry to burst yet another ct hot air bubble but mr deathwish, you are wrong again. What's that make you 0 for 2000 or something. Please try again next time. Be sure to bring your warped worldview...it adds so much levity to the game!

[William Kelly]

Is it true that Greer was born in Ireland, never graduated from school, was a Protestant who disliked Catholics, and had previously worked as a driver for Henry Cabot Lodge?

BK

By far the best source of information on Greer is Chapter 8 of Vince Palamara's book SURVIVOR's GUILT. I think you will find answers to your questions there:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...c=8640&st=0

Thanks JRC,

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n1/v4n1chapter08.pdf

So the answers are yes, yes, yes, and yes.

BK

[Dean Hagerman]

Thanks Mark and Daniel

Craig we have come to a perfect agrement

You say I dont know anything about photography and "since you know nothing about photography your "analysis" of the photographic record is worthless."

So you have no use for me in your photographic life

And then you say you dont care about the assassination or who killed JFK, so you are worthless to me as a member of this forum

I have no use for you in my JFK research life

It was nice talking to you, you can reply if you would like but im done with this thread

Dean

[Guest Tom Scully]

Len, thank you for your fair response, except for the part where you lump me in with those who disagreed with you about how the SSAs performed when shots were fired at JFK. Backup the "tape"...you'll see that I did not question your conclusion that they did not react unprofessionally, only that I challenged your observations supporting your conclusion.

I have no opinion on the SS and DP reaction to the sound of the shots and the visible wounding of JFK and Gov. Connally.

I reserve my criticism for the decisions related to approval of the motorcade route, the general travel speed of the motorcade, aggravated by the sharp, slowing turns required to pass the TSBD building, and the lack of pre-screening and securing windows on higher floors of buildings along the motorcade route, the absence of rooftop security presence, the "liquid" dinners and late hours kept by some of the presidential protective force, into early Friday morning, etc....

Is it true that Greer was born in Ireland, never graduated from school, was a Protestant who disliked Catholics, and had previously worked as a driver for Henry Cabot Lodge?

BK

By far the best source of information on Greer is Chapter 8 of Vince Palamara's book SURVIVOR's GUILT. I think you will find answers to your questions there:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...c=8640&st=0

Thanks JRC,

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n1/v4n1chapter08.pdf

So the answers are yes, yes, yes, and yes.

BK

What Palamara didn't tell you is that the US Navy apparently set Greer up at the white house in 1944.

Wiki bio for Greer says he was a Lodge family chaffeur in the 1930's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Greer

http://www.tyronetimes.co.uk/2617/Did-Stew...-JFK.4297701.jp

Did Stewartstown native kill JFK?e

Published Date: 17 July 2008

A NATIVE of County Tyrone, who retired from work in July 1966 and died in 1985, has become one of the most investigated figures of the 20th century....

...Many of the speculators even go as far as drawing on Greer's Protestant upbringing to beef up their theories of anti-Catholic sentiments influencing the assassins.

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22...1&scoring=a

SERVICES HELD FOR JFK DRIVER WR GREER

- Dallas Morning News - NewsBank - Feb 27, 1985

Services were held Tuesday in North Carolina for William R. Greer, the US Secret Service agent

who was driving John F. Kennedy's limousine when he was assassinated in Dallas. Greer, 75, died Saturday in Haywood County, NC. A native of County Tyrone, Ireland, he moved to the United States at age 18. Greer later joined the Navy, and was assigned to the White House in 1944. Two years later, he joined the Secret Service and became a presidential chauffeur. Greer began driving for Kennedy the night before he was elected president. When the shots were fired at the presidential motorcade in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, Greer drove the dying president directly to Parkland Memorial Hospital.

Greer is survived by his wife, Mary Finger Greer of Waynesville, NC, a son, Rxxx, of Olney, Md.; and a stepson, Cxxx Wxxxx, of Bowie, Md.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=cRgQA...ecret&hl=en

Agony Of Fateful Day In Dallas Recalled

Free-Lance Star - Google News Archive - Nov 21, 1964

...The President's auto, four cars ahead, already had made the turn toward the underpass and we had

just completed it when there was a loud report....

...They had the ominous sound of rifle crack. The president's car had stopped. We reporters riding "pool" scrambled to get out to run ahead.

But at almost that instant. a Secret Service man, riding in the front seat of the presidential limousine stood up, phone in hand amd waived the preceding police cruiser on...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=yMkNA...ecret&hl=en

Agent Who Drove JFK Car Retires .

St. Petersburg Times - Google News Archive - Jul 2, 1966

He said he turned and saw a bullet hole in Tezas Gov. John B. Connally's shirt and then heard agent

Roy Kellerman, riding alongside in the front seat, say something like "take off."

"I don't know how fast I was driving, I just kept following the police car," Greer said....

http://www.jfk-assassination.de/warren/wch/vol2/page112.php

Mr. GREER. Well, I have 2 years of high school.

Mr. SPECTER. And when did you complete this educational background?

Mr. GREER. I have to go back now.

Mr. SPECTER. Approximately.

Mr. GREER. About 1924 or 1925.

Mr. SPECTER. Would you outline in a general way what your activities have been since that time, up until your joining the Secret Service, please?

Mr. GREER. Yes, sir. I was born and raised on farmwork, a farmer. And I done that until I came to this country in February 1930. I worked for a period of time--I lived in Boston for a little while. I worked one summer on the estate of Henry Cabot Lodge. I was a chauffeur for a family in Brookline, Mass., for about a year. And then I went to New York, Dobbs Ferry, N.Y. I lived there for 13 years as a chauffeur for a private family in Dobbs Ferry, N.Y. Then I went in the Navy in November 1942. I got discharged on September 18, 1945.

Mr. SPECTER. What were your principal duties while in the Navy?

Mr. GREER. I was seaman first class. I did almost 2 years at Bainbridge, Md., with the seaman guard there. And then I was assigned to the presidential yacht in May 1944, until I was discharged in September. But most of my duty was at the White House in that period, that year.

Mr. SPECTER. And how long after discharge from the Navy was it before you joined the U.S. Secret Service?

Mr. GREER. Well, I got out of the Navy September 18 and October 1 I went with the Secret Service--a matter of 14 or 15 days.

Mr. SPECTER. Describe your duties since joining the Secret Service, please.

Mr. GREER. Since joining the Secret Service I was assigned to the uniform force at first with the Secret Service at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. For about 2 years I was with the physical education part of it. We had a gymnasium there. I was an instructor there part-time part of the time. And then I was assigned for about 2 years to pick up the food of the President at the White House. I had that duty for about 2 years. And then I went back to the Treasury for a short period, a few months. And then I was reassigned to the White House as an agent in November--1950 I went there. I was made a full agent that following August 1951. I was there as a special officer from November to August 1951.

Mr. SPECTER. And have you been assigned to the White House staff since that time?

Mr. GREER. Yes, sir; I have been there ever since.

Mr. SPECTER. And while assigned at the White House staff, how much of your duty has involved driving the President's car?

Mr. GREER. Well, I drove the followup car for quite a long time you know, off and on. And then I drove the President at intervals during President Truman's and President Eisenhower's terms. I was also assigned a great many times to Mrs. Eisenhower. When she left Washington, I was always assigned to her, to travel with her. And I have been assigned to the President, to drive the President, since election day, with President Kennedy. I was the senior agent assigned to him, to drive him.

Edited November 8, 2009 by Tom Scully

[Craig Lamson]

Thanks Mark and Daniel

Craig we have come to a perfect agrement

You say I dont know anything about photography and "since you know nothing about photography your "analysis" of the photographic record is worthless."

So you have no use for me in your photographic life

And then you say you dont care about the assassination or who killed JFK, so you are worthless to me as a member of this forum

I have no use for you in my JFK research life

It was nice talking to you, you can reply if you would like but im done with this thread

Dean

Dean I was done with you on post one. I knew everyting I needed to know about you from your bio where you proclaim "I am an alterationist". Clearly you don't have the intellectual capacity to uderstand the bankruptcy of that position. Continue your brainwashing...you are the perfect subject.

[Brian O Connor]

And why Dealey Plaza? Of all the places an assassin could get to JFK, Dealey Plaza hardly seems like a assassin friendly shooting range.....

Why Dealey Plaza? Simple. The opportunistic assassin just happened to work there. If the motorcade hadn't passed the TSBD on 22 November 1963, JFK might still be alive today.

Hi Paul, I read somewhere that LHO had also applied for and was offered a job at Lovefield airport but turned it down because he had just started work at the TBD. I have searched for the reference but cant find it; maybe someone else has come across this curious coincidence as well ?

[David G. Healy]

Thanks Mark and Daniel

Craig we have come to a perfect agrement

You say I dont know anything about photography and "since you know nothing about photography your "analysis" of the photographic record is worthless."

So you have no use for me in your photographic life

And then you say you dont care about the assassination or who killed JFK, so you are worthless to me as a member of this forum

I have no use for you in my JFK research life

It was nice talking to you, you can reply if you would like but im done with this thread

Dean

Dean I was done with you on post one. I knew everyting I needed to know about you from your bio where you proclaim "I am an alterationist". Clearly you don't have the intellectual capacity to uderstand the bankruptcy of that position. Continue your brainwashing...you are the perfect subject.

LMFAO.... considering you have a difficult time grasping serious concepts, I find your post ludicrous, as usual... Carry on, Craigster!

[Craig Lamson]

Thanks Mark and Daniel

Craig we have come to a perfect agrement

You say I dont know anything about photography and "since you know nothing about photography your "analysis" of the photographic record is worthless."

So you have no use for me in your photographic life

And then you say you dont care about the assassination or who killed JFK, so you are worthless to me as a member of this forum

I have no use for you in my JFK research life

It was nice talking to you, you can reply if you would like but im done with this thread

Dean

Dean I was done with you on post one. I knew everyting I needed to know about you from your bio where you proclaim "I am an alterationist". Clearly you don't have the intellectual capacity to uderstand the bankruptcy of that position. Continue your brainwashing...you are the perfect subject.

LMFAO.... considering you have a difficult time grasping serious concepts, I find your post ludicrous, as usual... Carry on, Craigster!

Serious concepts? Really? You failed to grasp this one and in fact endorse Costella"s ignorant claim....in fact he stuck his head out from under his rock, saw he still can't defend it...so he crawled back.

www.craiglamson.com/costella.htm

www.craiglamson.com/costella2

So tell us how a video geek, a photographer and 3 PhD's (the TGZFH crew) failed to grasp photogrphic parallax? Pretty stupid and amazing for a group who claims expertise in photography and film and physics.

Edited November 8, 2009 by Craig Lamson

[Dean Hagerman]

Thanks Mark and Daniel

Craig we have come to a perfect agrement

You say I dont know anything about photography and "since you know nothing about photography your "analysis" of the photographic record is worthless."

So you have no use for me in your photographic life

And then you say you dont care about the assassination or who killed JFK, so you are worthless to me as a member of this forum

I have no use for you in my JFK research life

It was nice talking to you, you can reply if you would like but im done with this thread

Dean

Dean I was done with you on post one. I knew everyting I needed to know about you from your bio where you proclaim "I am an alterationist". Clearly you don't have the intellectual capacity to uderstand the bankruptcy of that position. Continue your brainwashing...you are the perfect subject.

LMFAO.... considering you have a difficult time grasping serious concepts, I find your post ludicrous, as usual... Carry on, Craigster!

Good call Dave, nice to see you on this forum, I look forward to your reading your posts and talking with you

Not just about the assassination but how lame Tink's gang is at trying to discredit alterationists

How many times has Craig posted those same links to his website?

At least 20 times in this thread alone

Hey Craig just put those links in your sig so you dont have to keep putting those links in your posts

Just trying to help you out

[Craig Lamson]

Thanks Mark and Daniel

Craig we have come to a perfect agrement

You say I dont know anything about photography and "since you know nothing about photography your "analysis" of the photographic record is worthless."

So you have no use for me in your photographic life

And then you say you dont care about the assassination or who killed JFK, so you are worthless to me as a member of this forum

I have no use for you in my JFK research life

It was nice talking to you, you can reply if you would like but im done with this thread

Dean

Dean I was done with you on post one. I knew everyting I needed to know about you from your bio where you proclaim "I am an alterationist". Clearly you don't have the intellectual capacity to uderstand the bankruptcy of that position. Continue your brainwashing...you are the perfect subject.

LMFAO.... considering you have a difficult time grasping serious concepts, I find your post ludicrous, as usual... Carry on, Craigster!

Good call Dave, nice to see you on this forum, I look forward to your reading your posts and talking with you

Not just about the assassination but how lame Tink's gang is at trying to discredit alterationists

How many times has Craig posted those same links to his website?

At least 20 times in this thread alone

Hey Craig just put those links in your sig so you dont have to keep putting those links in your posts

Just trying to help you out

deano sez upthread "you can reply if you would like but im done with this thread"

Is it possible for you to tell the truth deano? Why did I ask that question ... you "believe" in alteration...nuff said.

But thanks for the tip, but I prefer to post them. Every time I do more people learn the truth.

Edited November 9, 2009 by Craig Lamson

[Craig Lamson]

Well well, look who is back, mr. deathwish himself! The perfect example of the tolerant "progressive". Well mr. deathwish, once again you seem to posess superhuman powers, and have the ability to peer into my computer and decided I have email notifications for this forums postings. Sorry to burst yet another ct hot air bubble but mr deathwish, you are wrong again. What's that make you 0 for 2000 or something. Please try again next time. Be sure to bring your warped worldview...it adds so much levity to the game!

This is no game to me, ese', this is life!

But you're a conspiracy theorist yourself, Mr. Lamson. You believe the British National Health Service is practicing (Br., practising) euthanasia against the elderly and infirm who are unworthy of life among the Britons ..... So following your arguments here regarding Jack White, nothing you say about anything should be considered valid, true, or even worthy of consideration.

Go ye therefore, and be content with the sickly-yellow pus you have for a soul.

Hey good try mr. deathwish! Sadly your gamesmanship needs a bit of improvement. And how sad, if this is "life" for you, it’s quite clear you don't have one.

Now on to your failure. I was quite clear I had an OPINION about the state of the NHS. I made zero claims of proof. White on the other hand is quite the opposite. He claims definitive proof which upon inspection fails even the simplest tests.

Try again next time mr. deathwish, the poster child of progressives everywhere...

[Dean Hagerman]

Thanks Mark and Daniel

Craig we have come to a perfect agrement

You say I dont know anything about photography and "since you know nothing about photography your "analysis" of the photographic record is worthless."

So you have no use for me in your photographic life

And then you say you dont care about the assassination or who killed JFK, so you are worthless to me as a member of this forum

I have no use for you in my JFK research life

It was nice talking to you, you can reply if you would like but im done with this thread

Dean

Dean I was done with you on post one. I knew everyting I needed to know about you from your bio where you proclaim "I am an alterationist". Clearly you don't have the intellectual capacity to uderstand the bankruptcy of that position. Continue your brainwashing...you are the perfect subject.

LMFAO.... considering you have a difficult time grasping serious concepts, I find your post ludicrous, as usual... Carry on, Craigster!

Good call Dave, nice to see you on this forum, I look forward to your reading your posts and talking with you

Not just about the assassination but how lame Tink's gang is at trying to discredit alterationists

How many times has Craig posted those same links to his website?

At least 20 times in this thread alone

Hey Craig just put those links in your sig so you dont have to keep putting those links in your posts

Just trying to help you out

deano sez upthread "you can reply if you would like but im done with this thread"

Is it possible for you to tell the truth deano? Why did I ask that question ... you "believe" in alteration...nuff said.

But thanks for the tip, but I prefer to post them. Every time I do more people learn the truth.

I know I said I was done, but you look like you need alot of help

I like to help people, so I thought I would give you some free advice