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David Von Pein has provided me with the following information.

But had Mr. Lifton taken a look at some more of Lyndal Shaneyfelt's

Warren Commission testimony, he would have been able to confirm for

himself the fact that Zapruder's camera WAS, in fact, used to create a

test film FROM ZAPRUDER'S POSITION ON TOP OF THE PEDESTAL. We find

that confirmation in Shaneyfelt's testimony at 5H162:

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Here's the pertinent excerpt from page 162 of WC volume 5:

ARLEN SPECTER -- "What motion pictures, if any, were taken during the

reenactment?"

LYNDAL L. SHANEYFELT -- "During the reenactment the black-and-white

photographs were made from Zapruder's position with a Speedgraphic

camera and we also took motion pictures with Mr. Zapruder's camera

from Zapruder's position with the car in the fixed locations as they

were established with the car just stationary in those locations.

After establishing all those points and making these film records of

it, we then had the car proceed along that Elm Street route at

approximately 11 miles per hour, and filmed it with Mr. Zapruder's

camera loaded with color film from Mr. Zapruder's position and

simultaneously photographed it with Mr. Nix's camera from Mr. Nix's

position, and Mrs. Muchmore's camera from Mrs. Muchmore's position,

and this was done twice."

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It would, indeed, be very interesting to see that test film that was

shot with Abraham Zapruder's camera in May of 1964.

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Question...why would they only ??""and we also took motion pictures with Mr. Zapruder's camera

from Zapruder's position with the car in the fixed locations as they

were established with the car just stationary in those locations."" anyone any idea...??

thanks b..

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David Von Pein has provided me with the following information.

But had Mr. Lifton taken a look at some more of Lyndal Shaneyfelt's

Warren Commission testimony, he would have been able to confirm for

himself the fact that Zapruder's camera WAS, in fact, used to create a

test film FROM ZAPRUDER'S POSITION ON TOP OF THE PEDESTAL. We find

that confirmation in Shaneyfelt's testimony at 5H162:

proof.png

history-matters.com

Here's the pertinent excerpt from page 162 of WC volume 5:

ARLEN SPECTER -- "What motion pictures, if any, were taken during the

reenactment?"

LYNDAL L. SHANEYFELT -- "During the reenactment the black-and-white

photographs were made from Zapruder's position with a Speedgraphic

camera and we also took motion pictures with Mr. Zapruder's camera

from Zapruder's position with the car in the fixed locations as they

were established with the car just stationary in those locations.

After establishing all those points and making these film records of

it, we then had the car proceed along that Elm Street route at

approximately 11 miles per hour, and filmed it with Mr. Zapruder's

camera loaded with color film from Mr. Zapruder's position and

simultaneously photographed it with Mr. Nix's camera from Mr. Nix's

position, and Mrs. Muchmore's camera from Mrs. Muchmore's position,

and this was done twice."

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It would, indeed, be very interesting to see that test film that was

shot with Abraham Zapruder's camera in May of 1964.

What's interesting is this Dunc....

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspir...9ce3a9a2?hl=en#

quote on (David Von Pein 01-03-2010)

Duncan MacRae said this in a thread-starting post at The Education

Forum on January 1, 2010:

"The May 1964 FBI/Secret Service re-enactment in Dallas included

a test film shot with the Zapruder camera. The film is at the National

Archives waiting for someone to have it transfered to video. Perhaps

if the alterationists investigated this further, they could find out

information Re: the sprocket hole controversy and other debatable

issues. It puzzles me why they have never tried to gain access to this

avenue of research to prove their points, or have they?

Test films shot with the Nix and Muchmore cameras are also at the

National Archives. This information was provided by Gary Mack." --

Duncan MacRae; 01/01/10

quote off

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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspir...9ce3a9a2?hl=en#

you working with/for David Von Pein (the composite) these day's, Dunc?

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Test Films

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK1HeKmE3jE

Here we go, are these the films with the camera starting and stoping like the testimony said? Also is the Nix and Muchmore positions

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Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?

Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming

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Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?

Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming

Dean,

What kind of film was the FBI using?

Todd

Todd I dont know if these are the films that we are looking for that Shaneyfelt said he took with Zappys camera

They look to be the ones, but im not sure

Im going to try to look into it tonight when im off work

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Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?

Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming

Dean,

What kind of film was the FBI using?

Todd

Todd I dont know if these are the films that we are looking for that Shaneyfelt said he took with Zappys camera

They look to be the ones, but im not sure

Im going to try to look into it tonight when im off work

So now you don't know if it was the film taken with Zapruders camera.

I see.

But that didn't stop you from claiming that it proved the Zapruder film was altered.

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Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?

Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming

Dean,

What kind of film was the FBI using?

Todd

Todd I dont know if these are the films that we are looking for that Shaneyfelt said he took with Zappys camera

They look to be the ones, but im not sure

Im going to try to look into it tonight when im off work

So now you don't know if it was the film taken with Zapruders camera.

I see.

But that didn't stop you from claiming that it proved the Zapruder film was altered.

So your saying the film type would make a difference when the camera was stopped and started back up again?

You have my attention Todd, please keep going

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Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?

Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming

Dean,

What kind of film was the FBI using?

Todd

still posting from Wendy's eh, Todd? I expected better from you old chap -- this rates up there with you and .joihn shooting at overstuffed, non-moving sandbags at 50 yards then declaring: yep, old Oswald got off 3 shots under 8 seconds....

the question we should ALL be asking is why did the 6th Floor Museum deny Rollie Zavada use of Zapruder's B&H 414PD film camera for his ARRB tests? let's get serious, huh?

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Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?

Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming

Dean,

What kind of film was the FBI using?

Todd

still posting from Wendy's eh, Todd? I expected better from you old chap -- this rates up there with you and .joihn shooting at overstuffed, non-moving sandbags at 50 yards then declaring: yep, old Oswald got off 3 shots under 8 seconds....

the question we should ALL be asking is why did the 6th Floor Museum deny Rollie Zavada use of Zapruder's B&H 414PD film camera for his ARRB tests? let's get serious, huh?

Todd did you record this earth shattering test with sandbags for us to watch?

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Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?

Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming

Dean,

What kind of film was the FBI using?

Todd

still posting from Wendy's eh, Todd? I expected better from you old chap -- this rates up there with you and .joihn shooting at overstuffed, non-moving sandbags at 50 yards then declaring: yep, old Oswald got off 3 shots under 8 seconds....

the question we should ALL be asking is why did the 6th Floor Museum deny Rollie Zavada use of Zapruder's B&H 414PD film camera for his ARRB tests? let's get serious, huh?

Ah, Turtle…I’ve kind of missed responding to your empty posts, devoid of facts or any type of thought or analysis about the case. Yep, I see you’re still posting much about nothing here, there, everywhere, Dave, using your pseudo-hipster style. Ah well, to each their own I guess.

Me and .John shooting at sandbags at 50 yards and then making grand declarations on LHO’s guilt? I see you still can’t get even the simplest of facts correct. Why is that I wonder?

The real question we should be asking, as it relates to this thread, is how can we get this film that was shot through Zapruders camera so that we can take a look at it. Will you be calling NARA II tomorrow?

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Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?

Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming

Dean,

What kind of film was the FBI using?

Todd

Todd I dont know if these are the films that we are looking for that Shaneyfelt said he took with Zappys camera

They look to be the ones, but im not sure

Im going to try to look into it tonight when im off work

So now you don't know if it was the film taken with Zapruders camera.

I see.

But that didn't stop you from claiming that it proved the Zapruder film was altered.

So your saying the film type would make a difference when the camera was stopped and started back up again?

You have my attention Todd, please keep going

No, I’m not saying that at all.

A real forensic test of the Zapruder camera would require not only using the original camera but also the EXACT same type of film, among other things.

Certainly you know that different kinds of film gives you different types of results, correct?

For you to not know what type of film the FBI used, and to then make some grand claim that the white flashes between stops and starts prove that the Zapruder film was altered has me wondering.

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Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?

Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming

Dean,

What kind of film was the FBI using?

Todd

still posting from Wendy's eh, Todd? I expected better from you old chap -- this rates up there with you and .joihn shooting at overstuffed, non-moving sandbags at 50 yards then declaring: yep, old Oswald got off 3 shots under 8 seconds....

the question we should ALL be asking is why did the 6th Floor Museum deny Rollie Zavada use of Zapruder's B&H 414PD film camera for his ARRB tests? let's get serious, huh?

Todd did you record this earth shattering test with sandbags for us to watch?

The “test” that Dave alludes to was not a “test” at all – rather it was just an opportunity for some JFK researchers at an informal gathering to fire a Model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano – nothing less, nothing more.

What you should find “earth shattering is that Dave falsely claims here that we fired at sandbags when we fired at a pumpkin or two left over from Halloween, that we fired at 50 yards when we fired at about 25, and , most importantly, that after the shooting I made some grand declaration about Oswald doing the shooting when in fact I did not.

Why would Dave say such things, Dean, when they are untrue?

And how does it feel to have been misled by Dave?

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So now you don't know if it was the film taken with Zapruders camera.

I see.

But that didn't stop you from claiming that it proved the Zapruder film was altered.

Good one, Mr. Vaughan, but I have one from Dr. Fetzer that REALLY takes the biscuit:

None of the witnesses, by the way, reported observing the back-and-to-the-left motion many students have found convincing, which appears to be an artifact of editing.

At last, we have the FINAL PROOF of alteration. The film shows that JFK was driven violently backwards, but this is not supported by the eyewitnesses.

Since we know that eyewitness memory is infallible, we must conclude that JFK was NOT DRIVEN BACKWARD by the fatal bullet and that the Zapruder film is a fake. Q.E.D.

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