Guest Duncan MacRae Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 David Von Pein has provided me with the following information. But had Mr. Lifton taken a look at some more of Lyndal Shaneyfelt's Warren Commission testimony, he would have been able to confirm for himself the fact that Zapruder's camera WAS, in fact, used to create a test film FROM ZAPRUDER'S POSITION ON TOP OF THE PEDESTAL. We find that confirmation in Shaneyfelt's testimony at 5H162: history-matters.com Here's the pertinent excerpt from page 162 of WC volume 5: ARLEN SPECTER -- "What motion pictures, if any, were taken during the reenactment?" LYNDAL L. SHANEYFELT -- "During the reenactment the black-and-white photographs were made from Zapruder's position with a Speedgraphic camera and we also took motion pictures with Mr. Zapruder's camera from Zapruder's position with the car in the fixed locations as they were established with the car just stationary in those locations. After establishing all those points and making these film records of it, we then had the car proceed along that Elm Street route at approximately 11 miles per hour, and filmed it with Mr. Zapruder's camera loaded with color film from Mr. Zapruder's position and simultaneously photographed it with Mr. Nix's camera from Mr. Nix's position, and Mrs. Muchmore's camera from Mrs. Muchmore's position, and this was done twice." --------------------- It would, indeed, be very interesting to see that test film that was shot with Abraham Zapruder's camera in May of 1964. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Question...why would they only ??""and we also took motion pictures with Mr. Zapruder's camera from Zapruder's position with the car in the fixed locations as they were established with the car just stationary in those locations."" anyone any idea...?? thanks b.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David G. Healy Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 David Von Pein has provided me with the following information.But had Mr. Lifton taken a look at some more of Lyndal Shaneyfelt's Warren Commission testimony, he would have been able to confirm for himself the fact that Zapruder's camera WAS, in fact, used to create a test film FROM ZAPRUDER'S POSITION ON TOP OF THE PEDESTAL. We find that confirmation in Shaneyfelt's testimony at 5H162: history-matters.com Here's the pertinent excerpt from page 162 of WC volume 5: ARLEN SPECTER -- "What motion pictures, if any, were taken during the reenactment?" LYNDAL L. SHANEYFELT -- "During the reenactment the black-and-white photographs were made from Zapruder's position with a Speedgraphic camera and we also took motion pictures with Mr. Zapruder's camera from Zapruder's position with the car in the fixed locations as they were established with the car just stationary in those locations. After establishing all those points and making these film records of it, we then had the car proceed along that Elm Street route at approximately 11 miles per hour, and filmed it with Mr. Zapruder's camera loaded with color film from Mr. Zapruder's position and simultaneously photographed it with Mr. Nix's camera from Mr. Nix's position, and Mrs. Muchmore's camera from Mrs. Muchmore's position, and this was done twice." --------------------- It would, indeed, be very interesting to see that test film that was shot with Abraham Zapruder's camera in May of 1964. What's interesting is this Dunc.... http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspir...9ce3a9a2?hl=en# quote on (David Von Pein 01-03-2010) Duncan MacRae said this in a thread-starting post at The Education Forum on January 1, 2010: "The May 1964 FBI/Secret Service re-enactment in Dallas included a test film shot with the Zapruder camera. The film is at the National Archives waiting for someone to have it transfered to video. Perhaps if the alterationists investigated this further, they could find out information Re: the sprocket hole controversy and other debatable issues. It puzzles me why they have never tried to gain access to this avenue of research to prove their points, or have they? Test films shot with the Nix and Muchmore cameras are also at the National Archives. This information was provided by Gary Mack." -- Duncan MacRae; 01/01/10 quote off ... http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspir...9ce3a9a2?hl=en# you working with/for David Von Pein (the composite) these day's, Dunc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) Test Films www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK1HeKmE3jE Here we go, are these the films with the camera starting and stoping like the testimony said? Also is the Nix and Muchmore positions Edited January 3, 2010 by Dean Hagerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn? Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming Dean, What kind of film was the FBI using? Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming Dean, What kind of film was the FBI using? Todd Todd I dont know if these are the films that we are looking for that Shaneyfelt said he took with Zappys camera They look to be the ones, but im not sure Im going to try to look into it tonight when im off work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming Dean, What kind of film was the FBI using? Todd Todd I dont know if these are the films that we are looking for that Shaneyfelt said he took with Zappys camera They look to be the ones, but im not sure Im going to try to look into it tonight when im off work So now you don't know if it was the film taken with Zapruders camera. I see. But that didn't stop you from claiming that it proved the Zapruder film was altered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming Dean, What kind of film was the FBI using? Todd Todd I dont know if these are the films that we are looking for that Shaneyfelt said he took with Zappys camera They look to be the ones, but im not sure Im going to try to look into it tonight when im off work So now you don't know if it was the film taken with Zapruders camera. I see. But that didn't stop you from claiming that it proved the Zapruder film was altered. So your saying the film type would make a difference when the camera was stopped and started back up again? You have my attention Todd, please keep going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David G. Healy Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming Dean, What kind of film was the FBI using? Todd still posting from Wendy's eh, Todd? I expected better from you old chap -- this rates up there with you and .joihn shooting at overstuffed, non-moving sandbags at 50 yards then declaring: yep, old Oswald got off 3 shots under 8 seconds.... the question we should ALL be asking is why did the 6th Floor Museum deny Rollie Zavada use of Zapruder's B&H 414PD film camera for his ARRB tests? let's get serious, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming Dean, What kind of film was the FBI using? Todd still posting from Wendy's eh, Todd? I expected better from you old chap -- this rates up there with you and .joihn shooting at overstuffed, non-moving sandbags at 50 yards then declaring: yep, old Oswald got off 3 shots under 8 seconds.... the question we should ALL be asking is why did the 6th Floor Museum deny Rollie Zavada use of Zapruder's B&H 414PD film camera for his ARRB tests? let's get serious, huh? Todd did you record this earth shattering test with sandbags for us to watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming Dean, What kind of film was the FBI using? Todd still posting from Wendy's eh, Todd? I expected better from you old chap -- this rates up there with you and .joihn shooting at overstuffed, non-moving sandbags at 50 yards then declaring: yep, old Oswald got off 3 shots under 8 seconds.... the question we should ALL be asking is why did the 6th Floor Museum deny Rollie Zavada use of Zapruder's B&H 414PD film camera for his ARRB tests? let's get serious, huh? Ah, Turtle…I’ve kind of missed responding to your empty posts, devoid of facts or any type of thought or analysis about the case. Yep, I see you’re still posting much about nothing here, there, everywhere, Dave, using your pseudo-hipster style. Ah well, to each their own I guess. Me and .John shooting at sandbags at 50 yards and then making grand declarations on LHO’s guilt? I see you still can’t get even the simplest of facts correct. Why is that I wonder? The real question we should be asking, as it relates to this thread, is how can we get this film that was shot through Zapruders camera so that we can take a look at it. Will you be calling NARA II tomorrow? Edited January 4, 2010 by Todd W. Vaughan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming Dean, What kind of film was the FBI using? Todd Todd I dont know if these are the films that we are looking for that Shaneyfelt said he took with Zappys camera They look to be the ones, but im not sure Im going to try to look into it tonight when im off work So now you don't know if it was the film taken with Zapruders camera. I see. But that didn't stop you from claiming that it proved the Zapruder film was altered. So your saying the film type would make a difference when the camera was stopped and started back up again? You have my attention Todd, please keep going No, I’m not saying that at all. A real forensic test of the Zapruder camera would require not only using the original camera but also the EXACT same type of film, among other things. Certainly you know that different kinds of film gives you different types of results, correct? For you to not know what type of film the FBI used, and to then make some grand claim that the white flashes between stops and starts prove that the Zapruder film was altered has me wondering. Edited January 4, 2010 by Todd W. Vaughan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) Also of note look at how when the camera is turned off and on we can see the picture fade into white, how come we dont see this in the Z-film when the camera was turned off during the limo turn?Because it was taken out and Zappy never stopped filming Dean, What kind of film was the FBI using? Todd still posting from Wendy's eh, Todd? I expected better from you old chap -- this rates up there with you and .joihn shooting at overstuffed, non-moving sandbags at 50 yards then declaring: yep, old Oswald got off 3 shots under 8 seconds.... the question we should ALL be asking is why did the 6th Floor Museum deny Rollie Zavada use of Zapruder's B&H 414PD film camera for his ARRB tests? let's get serious, huh? Todd did you record this earth shattering test with sandbags for us to watch? The “test” that Dave alludes to was not a “test” at all – rather it was just an opportunity for some JFK researchers at an informal gathering to fire a Model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano – nothing less, nothing more. What you should find “earth shattering is that Dave falsely claims here that we fired at sandbags when we fired at a pumpkin or two left over from Halloween, that we fired at 50 yards when we fired at about 25, and , most importantly, that after the shooting I made some grand declaration about Oswald doing the shooting when in fact I did not. Why would Dave say such things, Dean, when they are untrue? And how does it feel to have been misled by Dave? Edited January 4, 2010 by Todd W. Vaughan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Raymond Carroll Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 So now you don't know if it was the film taken with Zapruders camera.I see. But that didn't stop you from claiming that it proved the Zapruder film was altered. Good one, Mr. Vaughan, but I have one from Dr. Fetzer that REALLY takes the biscuit: None of the witnesses, by the way, reported observing the back-and-to-the-left motion many students have found convincing, which appears to be an artifact of editing. At last, we have the FINAL PROOF of alteration. The film shows that JFK was driven violently backwards, but this is not supported by the eyewitnesses. Since we know that eyewitness memory is infallible, we must conclude that JFK was NOT DRIVEN BACKWARD by the fatal bullet and that the Zapruder film is a fake. Q.E.D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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