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jack ; from an old post i made on rich's some years ago found in the zapruder legend which as far as i know is still there...best b..

Charles & Beatrice Hester

Charles & Beatrice Hester also are seen, in a clip of film that was taken by Zapruder before the motorcade arrived…along with Marilyn Sitzman who turns and waves…. further information is found, seen below, in the Harrison Livingstone research, .

.”Two Different Versions of the Zapruder Film…

However there is a problem, between the reports on their information recorded, they were either on the south or north side of Elm, near the underpass or on the grassy knoll….so goes the Department of law enforcement..

In some of the films a couple are seen on the knoll, a woman down on the ground, in front of the arcade and a man who gets up and runs to look out a window slot, in back of, to see what he can view, in the parking lot, behind where Zapruder was standing on the pedestal……Charles first statement mentions the shots had come from “”like they came from immediately behind us and over our heads””…and Beatrice: “she believes she and her husband actually had been in the direct line of fire.”

Below I have posted their statements according to those in charge, Sheriff’s Dept & the FBI, you shall see upon reading how confusing they are…They are also seen in the Bronson, Willis, Altgens 8? and the Wiegman & Bell films & photos.

Charles Hester….

VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86

SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT

COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS

Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Charles Hester, Address 2616 Keyhole, Irving Age 28 , Phone No. None

Deposes and says:

My wife, Beatrice and I were sitting on the grass on the slope on Elm Street where the park is located. When President Kennedy's car got almost down to the underpass, I heard two shots ring out. Thye [sic] sounded like they came from immediately behind us and over our heads. We did [not?] see the shooting. I immediately turned and looked at the Texas Book Depository building and did not see anyone. The shots sounded like the [sic] definitely came from in or around the building. I grabbed my wife because I didn't know where the next shot was coming from and dragged her up next to the concrete imbankment [sic] and threw her down on the ground and got on the ground with her.. Then there was utter confusion. The Police rushed toward the railroad tracks and I finally found an officer to go to the Texas Book Depository Building. The officer I contacted was Officer Wiseman [sic: Weitzman] of the Dallas Sheriff's Department.

/s/ Charles Hester

Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963

/s/ Aleen Davis

Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date 11/25/63

CHARLES HESTER, 2610 Mayhold Street, furnished the following information:

At approximately 12:30 p.m., November 22, 1963, HESTER and his wife, BEATRICE, were standing along the street at the point immediately preceeding the underpass on Elm Street where President JOHN F. KENNEDY was shot. HESTER stated he saw the President slump in the seat of the car and that he heard two shots fired drom what appeared to be a building located on the corner of Elm Street and Houston Street. He Stated he and his wife were almost in a direct line of the fire and he immediately grabbed his wife and shoved her to the ground. He stated here after immediately escorted his wife across to the north side of the street on an embankment in an attempt to gain shelter.

HESTER stated he did not see anyone with a gun at the time the shots were fired and that after the President's car had pulled away from the scene and officers started toward the aforementioned building, he and his wife proceeded to their car and left the area.

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Beatrice Hester

on 11/24/63 at Irving, Texas File # DL 89-43

By Special Agent DOYLE WILLIAMS and HENRY J. OLIVER Date Dictated 11/25/63

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date November 25, 1963

Mrs. CHARLES HESTER, 2619 Keyhole Street, Irving, Texas, advised that sometime around 12:30 p.m., on November 22, 1963, she and her husband were standing along the street at a place immediately preceding the underpass on Elm Street, where President KENNEDY was shot. Mrs. HESTER advised she heard two loud noises which sounded like gunshots, and she saw president KENNEDY slump in the seat of the car he was riding in. Her husband then grabbed her and shoved her to the ground. Shortly thereafter they went across to the north side of the street on an embankment in an attempt to gain shelter. She stated that she believes she and her husband actually had been in the direct line of fire. She did not see anyone with a gun when the shots were fired and stated she could not furnish any information as to exactly where the shots came from. After the President's car had pulled away from the scene she and her husband proceeded to their car and left the scene as she was very upset.

Additional deposition information on them can be found in Decker 5323, 19H478,

22H841, 24H523

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jack charles hester died in 1967 heart attack i think.. beatice remarried and moved i am trying to find the info i have of where but it did not come up, a couple of jfk researchers did try to find her but could not within the town info they had been given b

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Thanks B,

That testimony points to the Hesters being on the south side of the street closer to the Underpass. ? :tomatoes

I think that FBI report is rubbish

It isn't in Hesters own words, it's the FBI agent telling the story.

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Yes Robin all very strange when trying to figure out the HESTERS movements and ALSO WITHIN THE PHOTOS AND TIMING I RECALL FROM A THREAD ON SUCH A FEW YEARS BACK. sorry caps..perhaps you could LOOK into those if you have some time and see what perhaps you come up with..if you choose..

Jack ;Beatrice worked at Jenifer Juniors..Charles may have worked at a photography place there was one i am thinking owned by the same last name in Dallas that came up after to do with developing photos or films i am searching... am still going through what is coming up..maybe later ..i will have the info...thanks robin..nice photos here is the terrible gif taken from the zap film that he took of marilyn sitzman and the hesters before if it uploads it is very poor but all we have.left unless somone out there has that part of the film that at one time was on the web....for now..b huh.gif

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Yes Robin all very strane when trying to figure out the HESTERS movements and ALSO WITHIN THE PHOTOS AND TIMING I RECALL FROM A THREAD ON SUCH A FEW YEARS BACK. sorry caps..perhaps you could ppl into those if you have some time and see what perhps you come up with..if you choose..

Jack ;Beatrice worked at Jenifer Juniors..Charles may have worked at a photography place there was one i am thinking owned by the same last name in Dallas that came up after to do with developing photos or films i am searching... am still going through what is coming up..maybe later ..i will have the info...thanks robin..nice photos here is the terrible gif taken from the zap film that he took of marilyn sitzman and the hesters before if it uploads it is very poor but all we have.left unless somone out there has that part of the film that at one time was on the web....for now..b :tomatoes

Bernice i will go into Groden's DVD and see what i can come up with.

Robin.

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thank you Robin that would be so appreciated....

Jack here is the info from Harry Livingstone's books... from the same source as mentioned on rich's...

Harrison E .Livingstone : "The Radical Right and the Murder of John F Kennedy"…2004

Page 193..Two Different Versions of the Zapruder Film….

Quote: "A film of the assassination was created for public consumption as a propaganda film. That film is known as the Zapruder film, named after Abraham Zapruder -----one of the amateur camera persons in Dealey Plaza who filmed portions of the assassination.

...The film was altered in haste, and later further alterations were made as needed upon discovery of problems with the films...... Zapruder points out in his testimony to the Warren Commission that he was concerned about altered frames as a book of pictures ostensibly from his film were shown to him.."

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Zapruder testimony :Warren Commission:

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/zapruder.htm

Shaw Trial:

1: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony...ruder_shaw1.htm

2: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony...ruder_shaw2.htm

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Quote :"We sure would like to know how his testimony was manipulated or excised..

“A major edit of the film occurs at 132 in the transition to frame 133. One half-block of the motorcade was removed as the limousine rounded the corner from Houston onto Elm. We do not see this. We do not see this and the portion is gone that would have shown how the shots began and the fact that the limo stopped. A similar phenomena occurs in at least six other films where the same journey of the limo has been removed."

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Zapruder Film:

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/

Brent Filmster’s Zapruder Film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-rcdBNFnGs

Dr.John Costello …Single Zapruder frames..

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

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Quote: "My investigation has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Zapruder never stopped his camera at that point, as he repeatedly told people , and that the film was cut and optically reframed so that there is no splice. Optical reframing is the method used when a film receives " special effects" or is altered. As is explained in my book on the film, "The Hoax of the Century", there are no flash frames or evidence of "first frame over exposure" at Z-133, the transition from the three motorcycles leading the motorcade to the limousine, and it is a jump cut. I have interviewed a leading film expert in the world as well as the inventors of the camera who were trying to prevent such flash frames, and it is a certainty that the camera always produced them when it was stopped and then restarted .We do not see them at this crucial transition from one scene to another in the film.

It is reasonable that there was another person operating a camera close by Zapruder with essentially the same perspective, perhaps in the "pill box" just behind Zapruder in the pergola. This film was the one that was flown to Kodak in Rochester N.Y, as testimony indicates, altered, and Zapruder's film disappeared later on. During the massive shell game that was played with Zapruder's film before it was developed in Dallas. the other film was already in the air. Or, as I elsewhere suggested, it was being developed in either the Hester’s lab, or in a mobil film lab somewhere”. Off Quote.

Marilyn Sitzman, Charles and Beatrice Hester were filmed by Abraham Zapruder shortly before the motorcade arrived…..the same Charles Hester owned “Commercial Photography”…….

A Robert and Pat Hester were part owners, along with Fritz and Helen Holland of a company called “The National Film Company”…… The daughter of Robert & Pat Hester, Vicky Mayne who worked in the lab, of TNFC, told Harrison Livingstone that they had actually developed numerous films and photographs, including photos taken of the President’s body at Parkland. ..upon which seeing, she threw up…She also mentioned that she helped develop the Zapruder film….

Below from “Killing The Truth” H.E Livingstone..

Vickie Mayne : Page 511

“ Vickie Mayne was sixteen on the day that John Kennedy died. She helped

do the work in her parents film lab when the Secret Service brought in

all the photos, films, and the Zapruder film they had rounded up in

Dealey Plaza. She told me that she had seen the photographs of

Kennedy's body taken at Parkland Hospital, a fact that no outsider was

aware of. She remembered this with great clarity because she threw up

upon seeing them. What else could make her throw up but pictures of a

dead body and terrible wounds?

Two couples owned the lab, the National Photo Company, and the Secret

Service supposedly allowed them to retain copies of all the pictures

they developed that day. If this is true, it would seem an unlikely

scenario that the Secret Service conspired to kill President Kennedy.

Another interpretation is that the passing of copies to outside

witnesses was for their S.Ss own protection. Some of

the Secret Service agents had testified to other guns and the sounds of

pistols. They must have known it was a conspiracy, and their later

descriptions of the wounds were not in line with the Warren Commission

story.

In any event, the home of Vickie Mayne's parents burned down some time

later, and the treasure trove in it---if that is where it was----burned

with it. "There were hundreds and hundreds of rolls of film," she told

me.Mayne said the fire was determined to be arson. Healey told me

that he knew of the trove and that Mayne's parents had, had this

material. Vickie told me that her family still had the materials when

her mother died in June 1987.

Her parents were Robert and Pat (Edna) Hester. The other couple was

Fritz and Helen Holland, both deceased and leaving no children.”

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Harry recalls information given to him in Dallas, by a confidential informant who seemed to have significant knowledge on all aspects of the case.

He uses the alias “George Healey” in the book...

from Page: 537.”Killing the Truth”.

“Healey told me something I had heard from others. I had asked him if

anyone knew the whole story who was alive.

There are only two people

left alive that have most of the story. Nobody has the whole picture

because that's not the way it was designed. It was the need-to-know

factor. Probably only two people still living that can corroborate what

you are seeking. Not myself."

"Who are they? Who knows what happened?"

"Lady Bird Johnson, I think, is one." He hesitated and said, "J.

Walter Moore, the CIA guy in Dallas, told me he'll never talk."

"Does he know anything?"

"Yes." Moore died in 1993.

"Was Mac Wallace one of the shooters?"

"Maybe, I don't know that he was or wasn't."

"The Zapruder film could very well be a forgery," Healey said with

a knowing tone in his voice.

If the original never left Dallas and the

forgery was done right there before Life and the Secret Service got

their copies that would explain a lot of things.

From Page: 540

“at the end of the plot, when John Kennedy was dead, power had passed to

the Secret Team, the operational hand of The Club. From that moment on,

elected government in the United States had a lot less meaning.

A keystone of the murder was faked evidence, and that included the films

and photographs. Not only were the autopsy pictures and X-rays forged,

but also the Zapruder and other films may have been tampered with. A

reliable source told me that he doesn't think Life ever had the original

Zapruder film. "Numerous copies were made," he told me.

The copies were distributed as follows:

1. FBI lab.

2. Dallas FBI office.

3. Washington, D.C., FBI office.

4. Henry Wade

5. Dallas Police

6. & 7. One copy each for the two couples who owned the film lab.

8. Secret Service copy.

9. Somewhere along the line, H.L. Hunt had his copy from the start.

That's ten.

Zapruder and ultimately, Life had what they thought was the original.

Anyone who doesn't think that law enforcement would copy and keep

copies

of such sensational evidence is naive.. The Zapruder film was obtained

at once by the conspirators and forged. The large hole extending into

the back of Kennedy's head was blacked out to mask this exit wound,

and

a large, fleshy exit wound was painted onto the film on Kennedy's face.

A new "original" was struck from the fake film. It took very little time to

doctor the few frames involved.

George Healey said that he SAW pictures in Washington, D.C., of John

Kennedy's body taken at Parkland before the body was taken to the

autopsy in Maryland.

This was the fourth person who told us he or she saw these pictures.

Along with Joe Cody, Vicky Mayne, and one other..

We know they were taken at Parkland because some saw them before the body

ever reached Washington.

Joe Cody later denied that he saw such photographs.

Somebody could have used a small spy camera a Minox to

take them, and Diana Bowron and others never saw the pictures being taken.

End of information from “Killing the Truth” Harry Livingstone

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I have replaced the weigman frames and the Sitzman frame:

I had my player set to widescreen and forgot to change it.

Jack and Martin you will have to redo your studies with the correct format frames:

I am sorry about that.

Please delete any of the frames you have in your post that are headed ( 720 x 480 ) it is the wrong Format.

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Thanks B,

That testimony points to the Hesters being on the south side of the street closer to the Underpass. ? :tomatoes

I think that FBI report is rubbish

It isn't in Hesters own words, it's the FBI agent telling the story.

The first one from Charles is an affidavit dictated and signed by him.

Jack

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Thanks B,

That testimony points to the Hesters being on the south side of the street closer to the Underpass. ? :tomatoes

I think that FBI report is rubbish

It isn't in Hesters own words, it's the FBI agent telling the story.

The first one from Charles is an affidavit dictated and signed by him.

Jack

Hi Jack

Yes i don't have a problem with this one.

Sherrifs Dept Testimony.

VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86

SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT

COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS

Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Charles Hester, Address 2616 Keyhole, Irving Age 28 , Phone No. None

Deposes and says:

My wife, Beatrice and I were sitting on the grass on the slope on Elm Street where the park is located. When President Kennedy's car got almost down to the underpass, I heard two shots ring out. Thye [sic] sounded like they came from immediately behind us and over our heads. We did [not?] see the shooting. I immediately turned and looked at the Texas Book Depository building and did not see anyone. The shots sounded like the [sic] definitely came from in or around the building. I grabbed my wife because I didn't know where the next shot was coming from and dragged her up next to the concrete imbankment [sic] and threw her down on the ground and got on the ground with her. Then there was utter confusion. The Police rushed toward the railroad tracks and I finally found an officer to go to the Texas Book Depository Building. The officer I contacted was Officer Wiseman [sic: Weitzman] of the Dallas Sheriff's Department.

/s/ Charles Hester

Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963

/s/ Aleen Davis

Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

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