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Jim believes flight 77 did not strike the Pentagon.

He sent me this to change my mind:

Hey Wim,

Check out this brief presentation and then tell me you still believe a Boeing 757 jumbo jet struck the Pentagon:

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf

Best regards,

Jim

Comments welcome.

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Jim believes flight 77 did not strike the Pentagon.

He sent me this to change my mind:

Hey Wim,

Check out this brief presentation and then tell me you still believe a Boeing 757 jumbo jet struck the Pentagon:

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf

Best regards,

Jim

Comments welcome.

Show us the wreckage. Show us the hole where the giant jet

went into the building. Show us debris or any signs that

a plane crashed here. Show the fire that burned for three

days despite being extinguished by 2 firetrucks within 7 minutes.

Jack White

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Jim believes flight 77 did not strike the Pentagon.

He sent me this to change my mind:

Hey Wim,

Check out this brief presentation and then tell me you still believe a Boeing 757 jumbo jet struck the Pentagon:

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf

Best regards,

Jim

Comments welcome.

Show us the wreckage. Show us the hole where the giant jet

went into the building. Show us debris or any signs that

a plane crashed here. Show the fire that burned for three

days despite being extinguished by 2 firetrucks within 7 minutes.

Jack White

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Pentdebris.jpg

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Jim believes flight 77 did not strike the Pentagon.

He sent me this to change my mind:

Hey Wim,

Check out this brief presentation and then tell me you still believe a Boeing 757 jumbo jet struck the Pentagon:

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf

Best regards,

Jim

Comments welcome.

Hilarious, Paul!

Show us the wreckage. Show us the hole where the giant jet

went into the building. Show us debris or any signs that

a plane crashed here. Show the fire that burned for three

days despite being extinguished by 2 firetrucks within 7 minutes.

Jack White

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Pentdebris.jpg

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What we need is a Congressional investigation to look into all the questions not answered (not even asked) by the Kissinger/Kean Commission.

Let's see, we had the HSCA "investigation" 15 years after the WC Report. So we should have the 9/11 equivalent of the HSCA about 12 years from now, or in 2016. Of course, like the HSCA, it will be an "investigation," not an investigation.

We're in good hands, folks.

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In 1992 we had a crash in Holland. An El Al 747 cargo Jumbo crashed into an apartment block. I understand this is triple the weight of a Boeing 757, and a much wider wingspan.

Look at the damage and wreckage:

http://www.amsterdam2000.nl/bijlmerrampfot...ktober19926.JPG

http://images.google.nl/images?q=bijlmerra...F-8&sa=N&tab=gi

Also, if it was not flight 77, what did they do with the real flight 77? And why did they go through this trouble with a cruise missile or whatever, if they used real 757's for the WTC towers? This would be a blackop involving at least 50-100 people, excluding innocent witnesses and not one of them has talked !! ??

I also understand there are some 100 witnesses, left out of this presentation, who actually saw a 757 or big airliner, some of them pinpointing it as American Airlines.

Wim

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Penny Elgas wrote;

As I began to drive, I heard a crunching sound (like driving on gravel) and I saw a piece of metal on the road about the size of a softball (it looked like a small conveyer belt-like roller with pins.) I remember thinking that I could puncture my tires - but in that same thought, I vowed to keep driving, even if I had to ride home on the tire rims.

Then I went to my car and faced that piece of the plane that was in the back seat. It appeared to be a piece of the tail. There was no metal on it and it was very lightweight -- all plastic and fiberglass. It was 22" long and 15" wide. I have no idea how it got into my car because I do not remember seeing any rubble flying around while I was at the crash site. I assume that it dropped in through the sunroof or flipped in through a window. The plane piece consisted of a layer of white paint, and layers of yellow and gray fiberglass as well as a thin brown corrugated material.

Statement from Penny Elgas

Washington Post.story / Sept. 11th, 2002

See also: Selection of 'Lamp Pole' reports

Rob Schickler, a Baylor University 2001 graduate and Arlington, Va. resident, said.

"A plane flew over my house," (one mile away from the Pentagon).

"It was loud, but not unusual because the [Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport] is by my house, on the other side of the Pentagon. Occasionally planes that miss the landing fly over my house."

"A few seconds later, there was this sonic boom," he said. "The house shook, the windows were vibrating."

"There was a hole in the building, and you could smell it in the air. It's a beautiful day, but you can smell the burning concrete and burning jet fuel."

http://www3.baylor.edu/Lariat/091201/alumni.html

Dan Fraunfelter, 24, a part time student of architecture at Northern Virginia Community College landed a job working on the first phase of the Pentagon renovation. With a fellow he was repairing a damaged ceiling grid on the third floor of the Pentagon’s E-Ring when they heard “A strange sucking, whirring sound, like a loud vacuum cleaner.”

... As he ran, he noticed a blown-out window. He ran to the window and looked down to see if he could see what happened. Below the window there was an old electric generator engulfed in smoke and flames. “The generator blew!” he said to the subcontractor. As he ran down the corridor, the smoke was getting thicker.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/635293.asp#BODY

Charlie Collins, a contractor working on the Pentagon plumbing near the explosion, saw a ball of fire as he evacuated.

"The duct work blew apart -- everything. I thought a generator blew up. The ceiling was down. The walls were all leaning over."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/...-home-headlines

Steve Carter, assistant building manager in the Federal Facilities Division, the office responsible for Pentagon operations reported that:

" ... the aircraft had hit the Pentagon’s emergency power generator, there were no emergency lights in stairwells or corridors to help lead people to exits and safety"

http://www.govexec.com/features/1001/1001spec1.htm

Just before impact, the plane clipped off two VDOT light poles on Washington Boulevard, a football field or two away from the Pentagon. In the same area, the blast from the plane's impact damaged the lenses of one of VDOT's traffic monitoring cameras and knocked the camera sideways.

http://www.roadstothefuture.com/VA_Sept21.txt

Terry Mitchell, chief, Audiovisual Division, Office of ASD PA

Question: "Did you see any evidence of the aircraft anywhere?"

Yes, I did. You could see just small pieces of it.

Lee Evey, Pentagon Renovation Manager gave a briefing:

"The wing actually clipped that generator, and portions of it broke off. There are other parts of the plane that are scattered about outside the building. None of those parts are very large, however. You don't see big pieces of the airplane sitting there extending up into the air. But there are many small pieces. And the few larger pieces there look like they are veins out of the aircraft engine. They're circular."

http://www.patriotresource.com/wtc/federal/0915/DoD.html

"The plane peeled back as it entered, leaving pieces of the front of the plane near the outside of the building and pieces from the rear of the aircraft farther inside."

"The plane approached the Pentagon about six feet off the ground, clipping a light pole, a car antenna, a construction trailer and an emergency generator before slicing into the building ..."

Jennifer Loven / Detroit News / Oct 6.

LaVern L Schueller, a USAF Colonel Chaplain was on temporary duty at the Pentagon.

"It appeared that someone had taken a tin snip and cut the red "c" from American Airlines and leaned that piece of the fuselage on the wall about 200 feet from the impact area.

"The top of a light pole was knocked off on an overpass. The FBI had marked it as evidence. The top of a light pole had been knocked off on the street that goes by the Pentagon. It too was marked as evidence. And finally, it took out the entire light pole near the sidewalk.

http://www.aapc.org/prayer.htm

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/archive/bill_c...010923col1.html

Loras College Magazine article (.pdf file)

Bruce Terril, a 1966 Kennewick High School graduate, was working on the fifth floor for a defense contractor.

"It was so low that two light poles were knocked over,"

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/terror/0918-3.html

Leslie Hortum was trapped in her car beside the Pentagon. Flight 77 had just flown directly overhead, clipping light poles as it went. A piece of wreckage was lodged against the car.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...repentagon.html

Lt. Michael Schaefer, 26, walked out of the Pentagon to the sight of black smoke, the dizzying smell of jet fuel and the confusion of workers crying, searching for colleagues, trying to figure out why their workplace was ablaze.

The day after a hijacked jet crashed into the Pentagon, Schaefer went back to work, although he could still see the smoke from the highway and smell it in the hallway.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/attack/nov01/family22112101.asp

U.S. AIR FORCE LIEUTENANT Colonel Tyrone “Woody” Woodyard felt the building shake and saw a fireball blaze past his Pentagon office window.

The next morning the public affairs office was up and running again in the Pentagon. “It was eerie,” Woodyard says. “Soot covered the floor and the smell of smoke and fuel filled the air—everyone was on edge.”

http://sumagazine.syr.edu/winter01-02/time/timepg12.html

Don Perkal, a lawyer, was working at the Pentagon.

" ... Even before stepping outside I could smell the cordite. Then I knew explosives had been set off somewhere. "

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2001/09/19perkal.html

Brian Potance, 38, of Tamaqua, spent the greater part of eight weeks dedicated to cleaning up damage, one of 100 Waste Management drivers from across the country who took on the responsibility.

"The front of the building was burned white and you could smell jet fuel. Things were burned to a powder and there was lots of concrete dust. That's why we wore bandannas."

Waste Management first hauled the trash, considered "sacred debris," to the rear of the Pentagon complex where ATF workers carefully raked through the piles using special combs. Then WM workers transported it to one of the world's largest disposal sites, King George Landfill, Virginia.

http://www.tnonline.com/archives/news/2002.../zoneupper.html

Rep. Mark Steven Kirk (R-Ill.), a Naval Reserve intelligence officer, visited the site

''The first thing you smell is the burning. And then you can smell the aviation fuel. And then you can smell this sickly, rotten-meat smell,''

http://www.suntimes.com/terror/stories/cst-nws-pent16.html

Kevin Schaeffer, 29, Navy Command Center Lt. suffered 41 percent body burns and lung damage from breathing jet fuel.

http://fredericksburg.com/Movies/2002/0320...ntagonvictim_T1

http://fredericksburg.com/Movies/2002/032002/pentagonvictim

"...on a service road that circled the Pentagon between the B and C rings. A chunk of the 757's nose cone and front landing gear lay on the pavement a few feet away, resting against the B Ring wall."

http://www.pilotonline.com/special/911/pentagon3.html

Ron Turner, the Navy’s Deputy Chief Information Officer, was standing at a funeral at Arlington National Cemetery:

“There was a huge fireball, followed by the black cloud of a fuel burn.”

“It reminded me of being back in Vietnam, watching Tan Son Nhut Air Base burn.”

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0901/091301j3.htm

Greta Van Susteren:

"And you could see the sky sparkling with silver, which I assume was maybe part of the skin of the plane. And it was extraordinary, even what I could see from about five blocks away."

Fox - On the Record With Greta Van Susteren, 15 February 2002 - Transcript (Lexis Nexis)

You see particles coming down in the air. Some sort of white particles. I can't tell what that is. I'd heard a noise slightly before I'd seen the smoke.

Contemporary CNN Report Transcript 9:42.a.m.

Clyde Ragland, a Naval officer works near the Pentagon,

He described billowing black smoke and "what looked like white confetti raining down everywhere."

He said it soon became apparent "that the 'confetti' was little bits of airplane, falling down after being flung high into the bright, blue sky."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...91201main.story

http://bernie.house.gov/documents/articles...10912170838.asp

Lon Rains, Editor, Space News "I remember vividly that as I turned off my cell phone I was watching the almost serene image of thick pieces of flaming fiberglass insulation floating down onto the highway."

http://www.space.com/news/rains_september11-2.html

CMSgt John Monaccio:

"I was in room 1B461. The plane's inertia carried aircraft remains all the way through the building coming to rest on the outside walls of our offices. We discovered cockpit wreckage at our feet while attempting to rescue people from a Navy operations area."

Lt Col Tom McClain, retired, was OIC of National Guard Inspector General Inquiries/Complaints Division. He wrote:

"I saw the remains of the engines in the North parking lot of the Pentagon as well as melted aluminum and other debris left from the aircraft."

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/penta...l_20020316.html

Charles H. Krohn, the Army's deputy chief of public affairs reported that one of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main building and the new loading dock facility, http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publica...010917/aw48.htm

Frank Probst feared he'd lose his head to its right engine.

"I dove towards the ground and watched this great big engine from this beautiful airplane just vaporize. "

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Pentagon_hit_...cked_plane.html

http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/6...ws/10660-1.html

... The plane's right wing went through a generator trailer "like butter," Probst said. The starboard engine hit a low cement wall and blew apart.

...three streetlights had been sheared in half by the airliner's wings at 12 to 15 feet above the ground. An engine had clipped the antenna off a Jeep Grand Cherokee stalled in traffic not far away.

http://www.militarycity.com/sept11/fortress1.html

Ron Chaney, Retired Army Lt. Col. a program manager for Coleman Research Corp., was in a meeting "about 40 to 50 yards away" from the impact, and involved with search and rescue

"I got up close enough through the smoke to see a jet engine. That was the first time I knew what’d happened and that it was a commercial airliner. I’d really thought it was a Lear jet-sized plane because the Pentagon is a pretty big damned building."

http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:

Tom Hovis, thovis@mindspring.com a Fairfax, Assoc. Member, reports:

The nosewheel I understand is in the grass near the second ring.

http://www.beanerbanner.com/a_father____.htm

Lt. Cmdr. David Tarantino, U.S. Navy

I stepped into the open breezeway between C and B rings to get some fresh air. I saw these two holes where the aircraft had come through. You could see an aircraft tire that had come through three rings of the Pentagon, and there were charts and other stuff that was obviously from the aircraft.

http://207.27.3.29/dailyfed/0802/083002nj2.htm

Todd Tiahrt, Kansas District 4 representative, U.S. House of Representatives wrote:

The next day we came to the Pentagon. The Pentagon has five outer rings labeled A through E, with E being the outer ring. In the C and B rings the plane had punched a hole you could a drive a truck around in, and I saw an airplane tire. It made it very real."

wichita.bizjournals / Sept. 6th 2002

Army Sgt. Andrew Myers, 28, a Peoria native and 1992 graduate of Metamora Township High School:

"Once outside, I looked toward the helipad and the building was engulfed in flames. When I looked at the top of the building it looked like it was sunken in, and I remember how weird it looked, but at the moment the building was still standing. The fire was next to the construction site so I thought at first that there was an explosion at the site. Purely accidental. The black and gray smoke was rising high into the sky, moving toward the Potomac River. I looked around the ground and highway and started seeing bits and pieces of what looked like an airplane. Metal chunks, some big, some small, then, on the helipad I noticed a huge piece of metal that had red letters that said ‘CAN,’ and I knew that it was an American Airlines flight."

http://www.pjstar.com/news/sept11/special/fear.html

Carmen L. Burgess, a U.S. Army. photjournalist took photos at the scene:

http://www.army.mil/usar/multimedia/disast...essgallery.html

"... we saw people picking up pieces of debris from the plane,"

http://www.militarylifestyle.com/home/1,12...:2:1240,00.html

William Sinclair, 54, of Riverdale, configures computers for an Army contractor. Sitting at his desk on the first floor of the Pentagon that morning he felt a giant "gush of air, then everything went dark."

"We didn't have a clue that it was a plane until we got outside and saw pieces of the airplane everywhere,"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?p...=A2777-2001Oct3

http://www.draftcenter.com/pages/articles/...art20010920.htm

Wallace: I have to tell you, I got out and walked over and I saw parts of the plane. The debris was actually on the overpass there.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.74.html

Donald R. Bouchoux:

"...There was an enormous fireball, followed about two seconds later by debris raining down. The car moved about a foot to the right when the shock wave hit. I had what must have been an emergency oxygen bottle from the airplane go flying down across the front of my Explorer and then a second piece of jagged metal come down on the right side of the car."

Washington Post, Sept. 20, 2001 (Lexis Nexis)

(mirror) http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/lexisnexis/leonard1.txt

Among the trash littering the road was a scorched green oxygen tank marked "Cabin air. Airline use."

Gannett News Service / Larry Wheeler / Originally published, Sept. 12, 2001

http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/...rspreadsto.html

Gregory Fechner, former Air Force staff sergeant

We were stepping over chunks of aircraft fuselage when I noticed all these shoes lying around. There were ladies' high heels, men's patent-leather loafers, none of them matching.

http://207.27.3.29/dailyfed/0802/083002nj5.htm

Michael Tamillow, a battalion chief and search and rescue expert for the Fairfax County, Virginia, Fire Department confirtms the discovery of "parts of the fuselage" albeit that " No large pieces apparently survived".

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/pentagon.terrorism/

"Rescue workers who have been through the building have reported seeing the fuselage; however, the largest pieces of the plane are about 1 by 2 feet."

Stars and Stripes / Sandra Jontz and Patrick Dickson/ Sep. 13

Don Fortunato, a plainclothes detective with the Arlington (Va.) Police Department, was walking into his office when he heard a muffled explosion. He dashed to the scene.

“Traffic was at a standstill, so I parked on the shoulder, not far from the scene and ran to the site. Next to me was a cab from D.C., its windshield smashed out by pieces of lampposts. There were pieces of the plane all over the highway, pieces of wing, I think.”

Dr. Thom Mayer heads the ER staff at the nearby Inova Fairfax hospital. On the day after the event he witnessed “jet fuel all over the place."

Carlton Burkhammer was bussed to the Pentagon with other firefighters from Fairfax County Fire and Rescue Station 14.

Within the building he spotted lime-green pieces from the interior of the plane

With another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, they were combing through debris near the impact site at about 4.00 a.m. on Friday 14th.

Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/635293.asp

Mickey Bell, an electrical contractor's foreman was working to renovate the second and third floors. Outside, and less than 100 feet from the initial impact of the plane, he was very nearly struck by one of the wings as they sped by him. He had just left the project trailer (that exploded) when he heard a loud noise. The next thing he recalled was picking himself off the floor, where he had been thrown by the blast.

He got into his truck, parked in the trailer compound, and sped away. Plastic and rivets from an airplane were later found imbedded in its sheet metal

http://www.necanet.org/whats_new/report.cfm?ID=1003:

http://www.ecmag.com/industrynews/index.cf...iew&art_id=1115

"We went out to look at his truck and the truckbed was filled with all kinds of debris that must have come from the blast. He's one really lucky guy,"

Will Jarvis was working in the building 300 metres away from the carnage

“We thought the plane was a dump truck backing into the building, because there was a lot of construction going on,” The group noticed that the sky was darker than normal, but still didn’t think much of it. “ Then I saw little bits of silver falling from the sky,”

http://www.magazine.utoronto.ca/02winter/f02.htm#jarvis

Anthony (Tony) Terronez usually worked as assistant treasurer for the Eisenhower and Terrace Theaters at The John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. Heading instead for The National Theater in downtown Washing-ton, D.C. he had to drive northbound past the Pentagon and was running late, Inching through heavy traffic, 100 yards or so past the heliport

"I heard this loud pitch screeching sound that was very pierced my ears. It reminded my(sic) of planes taking off at National Airport or a missile or something out of Saving Private Ryan."

http://www.qctimes.com/breaking/qcconnection.html

"... this loud screeching sound that just came out of nowhere and it intensified."

"...the fireball just kept getting bigger and bigger"

"With the ball of flames getting higher, the sound getting louder, I saw in

my rearview, debris going up into the air. Still stuck looking into my

rearview mirror, I realized that the debris was heading my way! I quickly

ducked into my passenger seat. Within a second or two, I started to hear

little dinks and pings bouncing off my car. Like somebody throwing pebbles on my car. Then I heard a loud glass smashing sound. I looked up and luckily it wasn't my car, but it was the automobile of the person right next to me in the left lane."

"... I heard this big crash come from somewhere. It sounded like glass being shattered and I thought maybe, at first, it was one of my windows so I popped up to look but everything was fine. But when I looked to the car next to me I realized that something went through the rear windshield and shattered it. There was a hole where you could see that something went through it."

“Pulling away from the Pentagon there was tons of stuff on the ground, big pieces of metal, concrete, everything. We got up to a certain point and there was this huge piece of something - I mean it was big, it looked like a piece of an engine or something - in the road. And there was somebody, definitely a security guard or maybe a military person, with his car in front of it making sure no one touched it.”

http://www.counseling.org/ctonline/news/amazing1001.htm

[Editor's comment: The "huge piece of of something" was perhaps a piece of fallen lamp pole that hit a passing taxi]

George E. Clodfelter III, a Pentagon police officer:

"What had happened was there was aviation fuel cascading out of the third floor," he says. "It hit a tree and went down the tree and set the tree on fire, then set this firetruck that was set next to the tree on fire, then the truck exploded."

http://www.washtimes.com/september11/scene.htm

Arthur Rosati, another security officer and an army reservist , was in a meeting when the plane hit.

"I ran down the hallway and there was smoke everywhere. You could smell the jet fuel, it was unbearable,"

http://www.dcmilitary.com/marines/henderso...ws/10797-1.html

A CNN reporter was interviewed by a fellow from CNN :

You got a close-up look at the damage, didn't you?

Yes, I was right next to the building.

And what did you see?

I saw a big, gaping hole and I could see pieces of the plane inside.

Earlier, an eye-witness told us the plane didn't crash into the building.

Well, I don't know what it looked like from where he was, but I looked right inside the hole and I know it crashed into the building.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/war/spin.htm

Congressman Robert Aderholt, Fourth District, Alabama, said

"Seeing a few pieces of the airliner, like a few of the seat covers and tail really makes one come face to face with the reality of what actually happened."

Cache: www.house.gov/aderholt/sept12.htm, September 13, 2001"

Judy Biggert, a Congress Member, visited on Thursday.

''There was a seat from a plane, there was part of the tail and then there was a part of green metal, I could not tell what it was, a part of the outside of the plane,'' she said. ''It smelled like it was still burning.''

Mark Steven Kirk used to work at the Navy command center on the third floor of the Pentagon's D ring

''The first thing you smell is the burning. And then you can smell the aviation fuel. And then you can smell this sickly, rotten-meat smell,''

http://www.suntimes.com/terror/stories/cst-nws-pent16.html

Lori Lewis ImLoriJean@aol.com a Fairfax County 911 center call taker and police and fire dispatcher worked at the scene..

"... There were hundreds of cardboard boxes and plastic tubs lined up to be packed with evidence. Large and small pieces of the airplane were laying on the ground waiting to be sorted."

"... In other office windows, the glass was not shattered but melted, oozing down like candle wax".

http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/ps/police/repo...Fall%202001.PDF

http://members.aol.com/hfur/Lori.html

Gary Marsh, marsh@baptistgeneral.org reported:

We had seen two light poles that had been hit by the approaching plane, but I was surprised there were so many others untouched.

Most of the glass had been shattered, but there were a couple with the glass melted and sagging, but still intact.

http://www.bgcworld.org/events/snyder.htm

Governor Ronnie Musgrove, Mississippi's 62nd Governor

reported that:

Windows sagged and bulged, the glass melted and reshaped by the intense heat.

http://www.governor.state.ms.us/news&infor...mericasbest.htm

' Buttcrax OMO' posted (9/13/01 9:47:44 pm) a message from his son, D C Mathew:

"...The plane came in low, over a highway, knocking over a light pole on it's approach. I don't know if the media will ever get the tapes, but there are about three or four surveillance cameras, one of which is on a traffic sign on the highway, and may be a public camera, that would have had shots of the plane from as close as a few dozen yards from it when it came in.

"...After about 15 minutes shoveling up chunks of carpet and brick, I found a piece of circuit board, and a chunk of the plane. When I say a chunk of it, I mean a piece that was about 3 oz of twisted aluminum. The biggest piece I've seen so far is about the size of a refrigerator.

http://pub6.ezboard.com/foldmenonlinewhatd...picID=957.topic

"Far out into the areas of the building that do not look damaged from the outside, it is nothing but twisted rubble inside".

John Damoose, a Travis City, Mich. native who was in a meeting said "everybody got nervous. .‚.‚. We didn't know whether to stay inside or go outside. The thing with terrorist attacks is that you don't know what is the next thing that will happen."

He said the worst part was leaving the Pentagon and walking along Fort Meyer Drive, a bike trail, "you could see pieces of the plane."

http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/5m/...p01/attack.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro...ep01/attack.htm

LTC Victor Correa’s office was hit. He was knocked down by the impact.

“I saw a fireball come over my head ...coming like a wind-cloud of smoke trailing it. I also noticed to my right the windows going out and coming back in. The fireball came in and out quick – the speed of lightning. As it went back, it left a cloud of smoke and started dropping. At that time the fire system went up.

He spent the remainder of the day rescuing. Eventually, after calling home, he moved on to join a litter team preparing to go in the building.

This time, according to Correa, he found out what caused the horrific attack he survived

earlier that morning; he saw the nose cone and the landing gear of the airliner."

http://www.army.mil/usar/news/2002/09-11an...rotellsall.html

Staff Sgt. Chris Braman and another rescuer, an Army lieutenant colonel, clambered through a broken first-floor window and into the E Ring's fiery wreckage.

"The lawn was littered with twisted pieces of aluminum. He saw one chunk painted with the letter 'A,' another with a 'C.' It didn't occur to Braman what the letters signified until a man in the crowd stooped to pick up one of the smaller metal shards. He examined it for a moment, then announced: 'This was a jet.' "

http://www.pilotonline.com/special/911/pentagon3b.html

ARFF fire crews reported fires on every floor of the "D" and "E" rings.

"The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear.

http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExcl...ve_11.01.01.asp

U.S. Army Sgt. Major Tony Rose.

“I picked up a child's hand. That was it. Just a child's hand and that's when I got angry. To wonder why someone could do this. You can come after me. I'm a soldier. I have sworn to protect and defend, but that wasn't right,”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/11/...ain521568.shtml

It's hard to erase what he saw. A child's hand. A foot ripped off above the ankle. And, oddly, eyeglasses without a scratch.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/9_11/articles/911pentagon.htm

Cindy Álvarez, a special agent with the U.S. Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS),

said she and her fellow workers sorted through debris from collapsed Pentagon walls and pieces of the hijacked airplane. They found the box cutters used by the hijackers to commandeer the plane, identification papers, money, jewelry, and body parts.

"These pieces of bodies, we treated like precious treasure," Álvarez said. "We knew this was somebody's family member. We knew they were waiting for the bodies to be returned so they could bury them properly and begin the healing process."

Álvarez said one of the disturbing aspects of her job was recovering the items of children who had been on board the plane. "It was upsetting to find children's shoes, their little suitcases and their stuffed animals,"

http://www.cathstan.org/news/09-05-02/3.shtml

D. S. Khavkin, from the eigtth floor of a high-rise building:

"... knocked down a number of street lamp poles"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/talking_p...000/1540586.stm

Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co. was on the exit of Interstate 395.

"... saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles."

http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/5m/...p01/attack.html

Afework Hagos, 26, of Arlington, stuck in a traffic jam on Columbia Pike,

"It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts .."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0...,550486,00.html

Kat Gaines, a Fairfax County Fire & Rescue technician was heading south on Route 110, by the parking lots to the south when she saw a "low-flying jetliner strike the top of nearby telephone poles." She "then heard the plane power up" and plunge into the Pentagon.

http://www.fccc.org/News/valor.htm

Vin Narayanan, a reporter for USA TODAY was driving near the Pentagon

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/washscene.htm

"The tail of the plane clipped the overhanging exit sign above me"

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/0...irst-person.htm

Rodney Washington, a systems engineer for a Pentagon contractor, was stuck in the traffic a few hundred yards away:

"... knocking over light poles "

http://www.boston.com/news/packages/undera...response+.shtml

Steve Riskus took pictures less then 1 minute after the impact

http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/crashthumbnails.html

"It knocked over a few light poles on its way..."

http://www.humanunderground.com/11septembe...1-media/et7.jpg

Father Stephen McGraw was waiting on the northbound side of Washington Boulevard. driving to a graveside service at Arlington

"The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car.

http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/6...ws/10772-1.html

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Pentagon_cras...ed_victims.html

Jim R. Cissell, a former photojournalist, drives past the Pentagon every day on his way to work at the Newseum in Arlington, Va.

http://enquirer.com/editions/2001/09/14/lo..._residents.html

.".. taking out telephone and power lines on its way in, hit the building."

http://www.cincypost.com/attack/cissel091201.html

Noel Sepulveda, a Master Sgt. was walking back to his motorcycle in the Pentagon South Car Park

It "The plane’s right wheel struck a light pole, causing it to fly at a 45-degree angle.".", he said.

The plane tried to recover, but hit a second light pole and continued flying at an angle. "You could hear the engines being revved up even higher,"

http://www.af.mil/news/Apr2002/n20020415_0585.shtml

Colonel Bruce Elliott, a World War II and Korean War Chemical Mortar Battalion veteran and a former commander of the Iowa Army Ammunition Plant wasalso in the Parking Lot

"... the craft clipped a utility pole guide wire, which may have slowed it down a bit"

http://www.thehawkeye.com/features/911/IdxThur.html

Air Force Honor Guard members were at the end of the cemetery directly across the highway from the Pentagon.

" They had heard, some had seen a plane coming in skimming trees and light poles."

http://www.bgcworld.org/events/snyder.htm

Mark Bright, 32, a traffic patrol officer was the first to arrive at the scene after seeing the plane from his guard booth by the Mall Entrance.

"-- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down."

He also said he heard the plane "power-up"

http://www.dcmilitary.com/marines/henderso...ws/10797-1.html

http://206.181.245.163/ebird/e20011108vivid.htm

Wanda Ramey, a DPS master patrol office watched from the Mall plaza booth.

"I saw the wing of the plane clip the light post, and it made the plane slant. Then the engine revved up."

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Pentagon_policeman.html

Michael Anthony K (aka 'Mimi Angelica') a 42-year-old firefighter-paramedic saw

"...poles lying on the ground that had apparently been knocked over by the plane as it headed for the building."

http://www.angelfire.com/grrl/mimiangelica/advocate.html

Mike Walter, 46, a USA Today reporter, said

"...It turned and then it went around ..it clipped one of these light poles."

Recorded interview - quick load Recorded interview - best quality

Richard Benedetto, another USA TODAY reporter said,

The only thing we saw on the ground outside there was a piece of a ... the tail of a lamp post.

Recorded interview - quick load / May 2002. Recorded interview - best quality / May 2002.

A Pentagon Navy Admiral said,

"It was a good size jet aircraft. I saw it clip a light pole but keep coming ..."

Houston Chronicle, 9/11/01 - Michael Hedges

(mirror) http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/lexisnexis/clark.txt

Don Fortunato, a plainclothes detective with the Arlington (Va.) Police Department, was walking into his office when he heard a muffled explosion. He dashed to the scene.

“Traffic was at a standstill, so I parked on the shoulder, not far from the scene and ran to the site. Next to me was a cab from D.C., its windshield smashed out by pieces of lampposts. There were pieces of the plane all over the highway, pieces of wing, I think.”

LaVern L Schueller, a Military Chaplain surveyed the scene after the event.

"The top of a light pole was knocked off on an overpass. The FBI had marked it as evidence. The top of a light pole had been knocked off on the street that goes by the Pentagon. It too was marked as evidence. And finally, it took out the entire light pole near the sidewalk.

http://www.aapc.org/prayer.htm

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/archive/bill_c...010923col1.html

Frank Probst, dove to the ground to avoid a passing jet engine.

"On either side of him, three streetlights had been sheared in half by the airliner's wings at 12 to 15 feet above the ground. An engine had clipped the antenna off a Jeep Grand Cherokee stalled in traffic not far away."

http://www.militarycity.com/sept11/fortress1.html

Go to this page and see where the plane hit some of the light poles ...

http://www.dragonslair.pwp.blueyonder.co.u...les_x_1.htm#pic

Allen Cleveland of Woodbridge Virginia looked out from a Metro train going to National Airport Station, to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon.

"I thought, 'There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,' " Before he could process that thought, he saw "a huge mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics."

Go to the link and hear what the witness had to say.

Meseidy Rodriguez confirms "it was a mid size plane".

... Video by Craig Cola / Edited by: Chet Rhodes / washingtonpost.com

... http://mfile.akamai.com/920/rm/thepost.dow...n/091101-5s.ram

... http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/170005.html

His brother in-law also saw a jetliner flying low over the tree tops near Seminary Rd. in Springfield, VA. (four miles to the South West of the Pentagon, down Interstate 395) and soon afterwards a military plane was seen flying right behind it.

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