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# What's going on here?

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Bell captured a very clear montage (thanks to Chris) of the people on the east curb.

Altgens ought to match person for person. But something odd happens in Bell that

is not shown in Altgens. A policeman wrestles a man to the ground.

What's happening?

Jack

(I have not yet compared the Bell people to the other films and photos. Maybe one of

you would like to.)

Jack,

The Altgens photo is taken well before the images you've presented from the Bell film.

Why would you think Altgens and Bell should look exactly the same?

Jerry

You are putting words in my mouth again. Show me where I said that.

The title of the thread "Bell and Altgens compared, same moment".

Oh ye of word precision:

moment: 1. an indefinitely short period of time; I'll be with you in a moment.

Yes, that's what moment means. What do you think "same moment" means?

I'd probably use your definition, "the same indefinitely short period of time".

As in, "Bell and Altgens compared, same indefinitely short period of time".

You didn't think you were comparing different indefinitely short periods of time, did you?

Because if you did, why would you write,

"Also...you are viewing a composite. The COMPARABLE FRAMES are there that

coincide with "Altgens". Get up to speed."

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Bell captured a very clear montage (thanks to Chris) of the people on the east curb.

Altgens ought to match person for person. But something odd happens in Bell that

is not shown in Altgens. A policeman wrestles a man to the ground.

What's happening?

Jack

(I have not yet compared the Bell people to the other films and photos. Maybe one of

you would like to.)

Jack,

The Altgens photo is taken well before the images you've presented from the Bell film.

Why would you think Altgens and Bell should look exactly the same?

Jerry

You are putting words in my mouth again. Show me where I said that.

The title of the thread "Bell and Altgens compared, same moment".

Oh ye of word precision:

moment: 1. an indefinitely short period of time; I'll be with you in a moment.

Yes, that's what moment means. What do you think "same moment" means?

I'd probably use your definition, "the same indefinitely short period of time".

As in, "Bell and Altgens compared, same indefinitely short period of time".

You didn't think you were comparing different indefinitely short periods of time, did you?

Because if you did, why would you write,

"Also...you are viewing a composite. The COMPARABLE FRAMES are there that

coincide with "Altgens". Get up to speed."

As a matter of fact that is true. Somewhere within the composite is represented the same

"instant" moment as "Altgens".

And of course being a word merchant, you realize that in days of yore, INSTANT and MOMENT

were synonyms...but they grew apart and went their separate ways.

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Bell captured a very clear montage (thanks to Chris) of the people on the east curb.

Altgens ought to match person for person. But something odd happens in Bell that

is not shown in Altgens. A policeman wrestles a man to the ground.

What's happening?

Jack

(I have not yet compared the Bell people to the other films and photos. Maybe one of

you would like to.)

Jack,

The Altgens photo is taken well before the images you've presented from the Bell film.

Why would you think Altgens and Bell should look exactly the same?

Jerry

You are putting words in my mouth again. Show me where I said that.

The title of the thread "Bell and Altgens compared, same moment".

Oh ye of word precision:

moment: 1. an indefinitely short period of time; I'll be with you in a moment.

Yes, that's what moment means. What do you think "same moment" means?

I'd probably use your definition, "the same indefinitely short period of time".

As in, "Bell and Altgens compared, same indefinitely short period of time".

You didn't think you were comparing different indefinitely short periods of time, did you?

Because if you did, why would you write,

"Also...you are viewing a composite. The COMPARABLE FRAMES are there that

coincide with "Altgens". Get up to speed."

As a matter of fact that is true. Somewhere within the composite is represented the same

"instant" moment as "Altgens".

And of course being a word merchant, you realize that in days of yore, INSTANT and MOMENT

were synonyms...but they grew apart and went their separate ways.

Yes Jack, whether it's the same instant or moment, we return to my original point which is that none of the images of people you've called attention to in the Bell composite were taken at the same time as the Altgens photo.

At the "instant", "moment", "time" the Altgens shutter opened and closed, Bell's camera was not pointed at those people.

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Yes Jack, whether it's the same instant or moment, we return to my original point which is that none of the images of people you've called attention to in the Bell composite were taken at the same time as the Altgens photo.

At the "instant", "moment", "time" the Altgens shutter opened and closed, Bell's camera was not pointed at those people.

And of course, better images show that everyone is present and accounted for. Sitter and Leaner appear the left of Lounger in Bell because Altgens view is much more acute than Bell's.

Note that Leaner is hard to see in Altgens because the view to him is blocked by Lounger, but we can just catch a glimpse of his head over Lounger's shoulder.

Edited by Jerry Logan