Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

[Stephen Roy]

Dean:

I hate the condescension heaped upon you in this thread.

[Karl Kinaski]

Can you think of a person who has been brought to trial almost fifty years after the alleged act of murder?

John List

1st: John Demjanjuk.. Crime: 1943... Trial 2010...John D Edited June 15, 2015 by Karl Kinaski

[Pamela Brown]

GV taunts: Have you ever tried giving a straight answer to a question directed your way?

Such condescention, this time with a rhetorical question plus demands, puts Vicklund in my killfile.

[Dean Hagerman]

Dean:

I hate the condescension heaped upon you in this thread.

Thank you very much Stephen

Please keep posting in this thread, I love reading your posts

Dean

[B. A. Copeland]

Onward and upward. Judyth does not lend much credible information as to what happened to JFK. I believe this topic can seriously divide and conquer the movement for truth regarding the JFK Assassination.

[Barb Junkkarinen]

KG humbly said:i am trying- and badly failing- to understand your recent criticism about jack white and this whitaker fellow. the fault is surely mine and i hope you will clarify. to me, it seems as if you are saying that

Kevin seems to have a need to create strawmen rather than acknowledge that I am asking Jack to define the process he uses to vett witnesses. If it has changed, isn't that for him to say? If Kevin doesn't see a need for a process, that's his choice.

Pam,

Have you ever tried giving a straight answer to a question directed your way? All I see from you are these endlessly repetitive mantras of ad hominems, processes and strawmen. I don't ever see anything o substance regarding the issues discussed. Why is that?

I asked you very politely a couple of days ago about this 1964 thing with regards to the Z-film. So far, you've just ignored this, why is that?

Don't forget 'open doors'. Nope, Glenn, you've pretty much seen what she has to offer.

Barb :-)

[Barb Junkkarinen]

GV taunts: Have you ever tried giving a straight answer to a question directed your way?

Such condescention, this time with a rhetorical question plus demands, puts Vicklund in my killfile.

Why on earth would you think the question was rhetorical? ROTFL.

Edited May 3, 2010 by Barb Junkkarinen

[Glenn Viklund]

GV taunts: Have you ever tried giving a straight answer to a question directed your way?

Such condescention, this time with a rhetorical question plus demands, puts Vicklund in my killfile.

Why on earth would think the question was rhetorical? ROTFL.

Well, it was a very straight forward question. I guess it must be very sensitive somehow..

She has to be credited for her admirable consistency, though. Never a straight answer.

Btw, her "killfile" - does that mean I will not be able to see her posts anymore?

[Barb Junkkarinen]

(7) Why are you suggesting that I should so some "primary research"? Surely what I

am doing in interviewing the person who appears to be the most knowledgeable witness

to Lee's activities in New Orleans is "primary research" if any research on JFK is primary.

Jim

Gathering information proffered by someone who comes forth claiming to be a witness is only the first step. What have you done beyond taking what she tells you and not only running with it as fact, but beating others over the head with it as well?

I find it more than bizarre ... and plenty dismal ... that given all of the conflicts, and claims that documentably failed the verification process, noted by others, especially those like Jack, Dean, David, myself and others who have been involved in or followed Judyth's story for years, that you have no time for it, don't want to hear it and instead attack the messengers. You yourself have noted you don't know her story ... you now know the current story pretty well. But you do not know how much of what you are now hearing is different from what it was last year or 5 years ago or 10 years ago. And you don't know what are new additions to her story. Where is your intellectual curiosity, your scholarship in research before running forth and declaring someone the "real deal" without having independently verifying *any*thing?

Jack is correct ... primary research is a must. How does what she tells you hold up under scrutiny ... or has already been confirmed or denied? What have you even attempted to verify? And the biggest question of all, that has people just shaking their heads, is why don't you even care to find out? Above, you even note that she is the person who "appears to be" ... well, appearances can be deceiving. But you will never know as long as you continue to allow this claimant to self-verify her own story. No one should have to point out the folly in that to you.

[Barb Junkkarinen]

GV taunts: Have you ever tried giving a straight answer to a question directed your way?

Such condescention, this time with a rhetorical question plus demands, puts Vicklund in my killfile.

Why on earth would think the question was rhetorical? ROTFL.

Well, it was a very straight forward question. I guess it must be very sensitive somehow..

She has to be credited for her admirable consistency, though. Never a straight answer.

Btw, her "killfile" - does that mean I will not be able to see her posts anymore?

I didn't even know they had a killfile option on here, but yes, when someone killfiles you, it means they won't see your posts ... but you will still see theirs. And I doubt very much that Pamela would want to miss a word of anything going on here. But, if she says she has killfiled you ... she has an excuse for not answering your questions, now doesn't she?

Bests,

Barb :-)

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

ALTON OCHSNER, M.D.: A BIOGRAPHY

Adapted from Spartacus with information by Judyth Vary Baker

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKochsner.htm

Edward William Alton Ochsner, the son of German immigrants, was born in Kimball, South Dakota, on 4th May, 1896. His uncle, A. J. Ochsner, a famed surgeon, was the founder and president of the American College of Surgeons.

Ochsner studied at Washington University, St. Louis before moving to the University of Wisconsin Medical School. He then went to work with A. J. Ochsner in Chicago where he helped develop techniques for blood typing.

Michael DeBakey, the world-famed heart surgeon who was mentored by Ochsner, wrote of him in glowing terms:

“He was the ideal mentor, disciplined yet compassionate, demanding yet charismatic, awe-inspiring yet accessible, and exemplary as a teacher, model, scientist, and friend. …completing his residency training at Augustana Hospital in Chicago, he studied abroad and had a short stint at the University of Wisconsin Medical School before settling in New Orleans, Louisiana, for a notable career in American surgery. His leadership qualities were manifest early. While studying in Switzerland and Germany, he introduced blood transfusion to the European medical community and soon became "the blood transfusion specialist" of Europe. His keen sense of observation was similarly evident early in his career. “

In 1939 Alton Ochsner and Michael DeBakey published an article suggesting a link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer. His close friends in the medical world, Dr. Harold Diehl (Vice President of Research for the American Cancer Society) and Dr. George Moore (Director of Roswell Park Memorial Institute for Cancer Research) assisted him in his crusade against smoking, testifying with him in court cases involving smoking and lung cancer.

As a result of his research, international ties and fund raising, the Ochsner Clinic, established in 1942, grew rapidly. Along with William Donovan (Head of the OSS and a founder of the CIA) Ochsner was on the board of the American Cancer Society. Later he became president of the organization. In 1952 Ochsner appointed Mary Sherman to take control of the bone cancer laboratory that today is named in her honor. In 1955 he published Smoking and Cancer: A Doctor's Report.

Ochsner was a passionate anti-communist, and after becoming friends with U.S. Secretary of State Cordell Hull, was invited to look after Tomas Gabriel Duque, the former dictator of Panama. He also become friends with Anastasio Somoza, the dictator of Nicaragua, and his family. Ochsner also secretly treated Juan Peron, the dictator of Argentina, in an emergency leg operation. A frequent traveler to Latin American countries, he was honored with numerous medals and awards from dictators and leaders throughout Latin America and Cuba.

The FBI maintained a file on Ochsner. This file was recently released under the Freedom of Information Act. It shows that Ochsner had a long relationship with various U.S. government agencies. A. J. Weberman and others state that he gave personal reports to US Army Surgeon Generals, flying to Washington as often as once a week.

Ochsner also developed a close friendship with Texas oil magnate Clint Murchison, who helped fund various right-wing organizations. Ochsner was also closely connected to Warren Commission member Hale Boggs. According to one Louisiana State Representative, Ochsner was "the most aggressive seeker and recipient of so-called federal handouts in the Second District (Hale Boggs' district).

In 1961 Ochsner, with the financial help of Clint Murchison, established the Information Council of the Americas (INCA). Ed S. Butler was appointed as Executive Director of INCA. The main objective of the organization was to prevent communist revolutions in Latin America. Ochsner told the New Orleans States Item: "We must spread the warning of the creeping sickness of communism faster to Latin Americas, and to our own people, or Central and South America will be exposed to the same sickness as Cuba." (16th April, 1963)

Edgar and Edith Stern, owners of WDSU radio and television, were members of INCA. Eustis Reily of the Reily Coffee Company personally donated thousands of dollars to INCA. However, it was Patrick J. Frawley, a Californian industrialist and close friend of Richard Nixon, who was INCA's largest financial contributor. The organization used some of this money to make a film about Fidel Castro entitled, Hitler in Havana. The New York Times reviewed the film calling it a "tasteless affront to minimum journalistic standards." INCA created “Truth Tapes” that were sent to hundreds of radio stations throughout Latin America.

One of Ochsner's friends described him as being "like a fundamentalist preacher in the sense that the fight against communism was the only subject that he would talk about, or even allow you to talk about, in his presence."

Edward Haslam argues in Dr. Mary's Monkey that "Ochsner's hospital was one of the 159 covert research centers which the CIA had admitted to setting up." Haslam believes that Ochsner recruited Mary Sherman to run the research operation that would eventually lead to the development of a bioweapon, though originally, Ochsner’s interest in the deadly side of medical projects had been sparked by the death of his grandson. Ochsner had publicly administered a dose of the contaminated Cutter Laboratories polio vaccine to his own grandson, who died shortly afterward. Ochsner and Sherman wanted to improve the vaccine, but efforts to do so resulted in the discovery of a mutated monkey virus that had potential as a bioweapon when combined with powerful strains of cancer.

The basic project was set up March 23, 1962, using conventional facilities, which then expanded out of the loop for its final phases. Haslam believes that Sherman, at first involved in carrying out secret research into developing a vaccine to prevent an epidemic of soft-tissue cancers caused by the polio vaccine contaminated with SV-40, eventually joined Ochsner in his search for an effective bioweapon for use against “another Hitler, such as Castro,” as witness Judyth Vary Baker has pointed out.

Their work included using a linear particle accelerator located in the Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Public Health Service Hospital in New Orleans. According to Haslam there were other labs set up to isolate various parts of the project. One such lab, the “Mouse House,” handled the smaller lab animals that had been inoculated with the cancer strains, not far from David Ferrie’s apartment. The processing and selection of ever-more aggressive tumors and cell lines, destined for more recycling and radiation, involved the use of David Ferrie’s large kitchen in his apartment on Louisiana Avenue Parkway. The product was then handled by Dr. Sherman, who made additional decisions

Ochsner was strongly opposed to the domestic and foreign policy of President John F. Kennedy. He wrote to Senator Allen Ellender: "I sincerely hope that the Civil Rights Bill can also be defeated, because if it was passed, it would certainly mean virtual dictatorship by the President and the Attorney General, a thing I am sure they both want."

Ochsner was also friends with Clay Shaw. Ochsner was president of the International House, whereas Shaw was the long-time director of the organization. Shaw was also a director of the International Trade Mart in New Orleans. Both men were also directors of the Foreign Policy Association of New Orleans and arranged for a CIA Deputy Director to New Orleans to discuss the communist threat.

Ochsner sat on the National Institute of Health Board of Directors. A fellow director in the early 1960s was Jose Rivera. In 1963 Rivera was in New Orleans handing out research grants from NIH to the Tulane Medical School.

The records of the Mexican consulate office in New Orleans show that when Lee Harvey Oswald obtained his visa for his trip to Mexico, William Gaudet’s number was next—he was probably standing right behind him (though he denied this). . As Edward Haslam points out in DR. MARY'S MONKEY: "Gaudet. is known to have worked for the CIA and edited an anti-Communist newsletter which Ochsner financed."

Adele Edisen, a neurologist, has revealed that in April 1963, Jose Rivera, gave her the name of Lee Harvey Oswald and his New Orleans phone number three weeks before he moved to the city.

On 21st July, 1964, the same day the Warren Commission came to New Orleans to obtain unsolicited testimonies, Mary Sherman was brutally murdered. The following day, Ochsner wrote a letter to R. H. Crosby, his largest financial contributor saying "our Government, our schools, our press, and our churches have become infiltrated with Communism".

In 1967 Jim Garrison began investigating the activities of Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans. Ochsner told a friend that he feared Garrison would order his arrest and the seizure of INCA's corporate records. Ed Butler took these records to California where Patrick J. Frawley arranged for them to be hidden. Ronald Reagan, the governor of California refused all of Garrison's extradition requests. Frawley had previously helped fund Reagan's political campaigns in California. In 2000, Sixty Minutes located a document from the Garrison investigation regarding Ochsner’s possible indictment, along with officials from Reily Coffee Company, where Oswald had worked in 1963.

Ochsner attacked the Garrison investigation as being "unpatriotic" because it eroded public confidence and threatened the stability of the American government. In his article, “Social Origins of Anticommunism: The Information Council of the Americas” (Louisiana History, Spring 1989) Arthur Carpenter claimed that Ochsner launched a propaganda campaign against Garrison. This included sending information to a friend who was the publisher of the Nashville Banner. It is known from Grand Jury testimony that former Reily Vice President William I. Monaghan (also former FBI) obstructed the Garrison investigation as well.

According to Carpenter, Ochsner also attempted to discredit Mark Lane, who was assisting the Garrison investigation. He told Felix Edward Hebert that Lane was "a professional propagandist of the lunatic left." Ochsner also instructed Herbert to tell HUAC’s Edwin E. Willis (Chairman of the House Unamerican Activities Committee) to dig up "whatever information you can" on Lane.

Felix Edward Hebert later sent Ochsner a report on Mark Lane extracted from confidential government files. This included "the files of the New York City Police, the FBI, and other security agencies." These files claimed that Lane was "a sadist and masochist, charged on numerous occasions with sodomy". Hebert also supplied Ochsner with a photograph that was supposed to be Lane engaged in a sadomasochistic act with a prostitute.

Ochsner had a close friendship with Anna Chennault, whose husband, and also Ochsner’s friend, Claire Chennault, ran a Flying Tiger CIA flight operation over China. She served as an intermediary to Vietnam for Nixon and played a role in extending the Vietnam War. Ochsner later married another Nixon associate after his first wife, a non-smoker, died of a galloping lung cancer.

Alton Ochsner died of heart surgery complications on 6th September, 1981.

Edited May 4, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

JUDYTH’S STORY HAS REMAINED CONSTANT ACROSS TIME

www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbakerJ.htm

Judyth Baker, posting on Manatee High School website (2003)

As you may recall, I was engaged in cancer research, and seemed to drop out of sight. Until now, I could not have mentioned what was going on in my life. Didn't you ever wonder what had happened to me? I, who had won national recognition for my magnesium project, and whose cancer research project gained Honors in the Westinghouse Science Talent Search, plus a trip to Buffalo to work in the nation's oldest cancer laboratories, seemed to vanish.. However, between 1961 and 1963, I was trained to do special cancer research. I became involved in an anti-castro project in New Orleans. I can't even discuss the impact of this project, but suffice that by spring of 1963, I was working for Reily coffee company as a front (my boss was former FBI agent William Monaghan) while actually engaged in clandestine cancer research with 'Dr.' David W. Ferrie (supposedly committed suicide but was probably murdered during the Garrison investigation) and renowned medical specialist Dr. Mary Sherman (brutally murdered July 21, 1964 for her part in the scenario I am about to describe). You may recall that I took Russian (all fees paid) at Manatee (then Jr.) Community College. I spoke crude conversational Russian by 1963, when I was introduced in New Orleans to Lee Harvey Oswald. When I wore my hair and makeup the same as his wife, Marina, - for I was same height, weight, and spoke Russian, Lee Oswald and I could worked together. Lee was involved in an anti-Castro project whose sponsor, Dr. Ochsner, was possibly related to the CIA in fact, one of Ochsner's best friends was 'Wild Bill' Donovan, who founded the CIA and who was, like Ochsner, a President of the American cancer Society. The project included delivery of live biological weapons into Cuba, aimed to kill Castro. Not only was Oswald an innocent man, he was framed in Dallas. He was a patriot who, had he defended himself, would have led to our deaths. We had endured the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, and the threat of communism spreading throughout Central and South America. I have been unable to speak about this for all these years, and indeed went into hiding after the events of Nov. 22-24, 1963. I am writing this to let light fall at last upon what must have seemed my many mysterious activities even in high school - such as meeting with Nobel Prize winners in St. Petersburg, and why I was never to become a doctor or research scientist. My book will come out next year, we believe, dealing with these events, and of my love affair with Lee.

Judyth Baker, Assassination of JFK Forum (18th April, 2004)

There are persons alive who were aware of my story from the beginning. My sister, Lynda, for example, knew about my love affair with Lee in 1964. My children knew from 1981 that Lee and I 'were friends.' We have statements from members of Marcello's family that they remembered me and Lee. Anna Lewis and her husband David (an investigator who had worked for Guy Banister), and Lee and I double dated. This has been twisted about by those who like to rewrite what I have actually reported. Anna spontaneously spoke of me as Lee's mistress, and went into detail before six witnesses. This poor woman has been threatened and harassed since. I have a Mafia soldier on tape, three times. We knew each other by sight, not as friends, in New Orleans. His name is "Mac" McCullough. I've proven I knew Lee to Gerry Hemming, because I told Gerry some things Lee knew about him that nobody knew. There are others who know. They just don't want to talk. They remain silent...

The bioweapon is not well-described by my detractors. It must be accompanied by radiation and/or chemotherapy to be useful - and those adjunct forces could be manipulated. For example, I have a newspaper article stating Jack Ruby was placed in front of x-rays for forty-five minutes. Do you know what that kind of potential exposure would do to your immune system? It was destruction of the immune system that would allow strengthened cancer cells to survive and reproduce in the victim's body...

I was assigned in Gainesville, Florida, to make certain compounds that help biological materials withstand liquid nitrogen freezing. Yes, I believe the materials we developed are in deep freeze. Jack Ruby was shown that extra x-rays were needed... or radiation... he also knew a large gauge needle was needed to inject cancer cells. It would be a painful, intravenous shot, not intramuscular, which would merely cause necrosis. He was a 'health nut' and experienced painful shots given him, as recounted by Al Maddox (I have additional written statements from Maddox), who was present when Jack Ruby died. Maddox was told by Ruby that he'd been injected with cancer cells. Ruby would have been able to figure that out, as explained above. Maddox said a doctor from Chiacgo (Dr. Sherman was from Chicago) gave the shots, then left Texas after Ruby died. Sam Giancana's book says a scientist 'from Illinois' was involved with the injection/radiation/cancer project to get Castro that Moody described to his brother. While Giancana's book is full of rumors and legends as well as facts, rumor indeed is what he reports coming out of the get-Castro project - and he was right on the money.

www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKshermanM.htm

Judyth was offered a summer medical internship with Dr. Sherman by Ochsner: she accepted, and came to New Orleans in April, 1963. There, she met Lee Harvey Oswald, who introduced her to Sherman's friend, David Ferrie. Judyth accidentally learned about the clandestine side of the project before Ochsner, who was out of town, was able to steer her to the legitimate side. She then became a willing participant in the project. At the same time, Oswald and Judyth began to fall in love. Neither had a happy marriage (Judyth was recently married to a man who promptly left her alone in New Orleans,and who in other ways neglected her). Oswald became linked to the project, partly to be close to Judyth.

According to Judyth Baker the research into the biological weapon was hidden by using two or more secret mini-labs which were set up when Ochsner's Clinic made a massive move into new facilities in March, 1963. Equipment, animals, etc. were 'misplaced' during the move, the second-largest in the history of New Orleans. The basic project was set up March 23, 1962, using conventional facilities, which then expanded out of the loop for its final phases.

Baker adds that Lee Harvey Oswald learned how to handle the materials safely and keep them alive. He volunteered to courier the materials to Mexico City, where a medical student, doctor or intern was scheduled to take the materials to Cuba. Oswald made frantic efforts to get the materials, which had a short shelf-life, into Cuba himself when his contacts failed to appear. The project, in fact, had been called off because of Hurricane Flora, which devastated Cuba at this time. Oswald was ordered to Dallas: his "desire to go to Cuba" was never mentioned again by him. His transit visa to go to Cuba was approved in mid-October, but by then, Oswald had no more need to go to Cuba: he never used the approved visa, which arrived too late to be of any use in saving the biological materials.

Judyth Baker claims that she and Lee Harvey Oswald planned to divorce and marry in Mexico after he had done all he could to help thwart the plans of an assassination ring, which he had volunteered to investigate. He believed he would have the help of the CIA to escape after providing information, but instead, due to his Pro-Castro activities in New Orleans, which had been under the handling of Guy Bannister (in order to identify Pro-Castroites in New Orleans), Oswald became the perfect patsy, even though he was on record as having admired John F. Kennedy.

According to Judyth, Oswald volunteered to continue to penetrate the ring, even when he realized his life was in danger. Oswald could only speculate on who organized the conspiracy. He was aware that Mafia, Texas oil moguls, and conservative racists put up money to finance an assassination ring that seemed to include a wide variety of planners and participants. He was kept from learning the identities of the leaders, but expressed opinions that Carlos Marcello (godfather of New Orleans and Dallas) and his Mafia friends in Chicago and Miami, along with anti-Castroites and elements of the Secret Service and CIA, were well able to assassinate Kennedy, if those at the highest levels in government cooperated to allow the assassination to take place for their benefit. Oswald told Judyth he would do what he could to try to get the mission aborted, and that he had others who were going to help him to abort the assassination.

After the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald, Judyth Baker received a phone-call from David Ferrie warning her that she would be killed if she told anyone about her knowledge of these events.

Edited May 4, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

THE JUDYTH BOOK SAMPLE MATCHES LEE’S WRITING

NOTE: As a young man, I took an interest in graphology (hardwriting analysis) myself.

Although the sample is small, it appears to match the other writing extremely well. When

I first received what Howard had sent, I read it through and assumed that he had sent me

a sample of Lee’s handwriting for comparison. It looked to me like a single unified piece. I

have asked Howard to send his second example of the same technique for me to post here.

HOWARD COMMENTS:

In a message dated 4/30/2010, Howard Platzman <Howpl@aol.com> wrote:

Jim

The fax I sent: I copied an annotation in the margins of J's Aristotle book,

putatively by Lee, and pasted it into a documented example of Lee's handwriting.

The fit is perfect. As you can see, it is one individual's writing all the way through.

You can only pick out the pasted-in part by reading for meaning. Interestingly, the

annotation includes a misspelling, as might be expected from a dyslectic. I have

another example using the same technique. I'm not a pro, but I'm convinced.

Howard

JUDYTH COMMENTS:

The original margin writing was small, on the left-hand side of the page in this case,

composed of a few words, written with a short, stubby pencil such as were used with

compasses in high school geometry classes. Plus, in ink, we have a few numbers, a lot

of underlining, and parentheses in more than one style. The underlining is sometimes

sloppy. The highlighted word comes from a short phrase, "comparation of 3" with a large

bow-style [brace] {-type parenthesis. He obviously meant "comparison of 3" -- misspelling

'comparison.' .The writing, though blown up to more than twice its original size, retained

all the proportions seen in the handwriting samples of normal size.

JVB

Edited May 4, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

THE DISAPPEARING WITNESS: THE WOMAN IN THE CAR (WAS JUDYTH VARY BAKER)

NOTE: This is a nice example of the process of making a person who should be of enormous

interest "disappear" from official records, but where diligent research can uncover the history

of the sequence, as occurs here, beginning with the Clay Shaw trial and ending with the HSCA.

This is a nice illustration why depending on “official records” is unlikely to reveal the whole story.

THE MISSING WITNESS

During the trial of Clay Shaw, a man named Edwin Lea McGehee testified that a man resembling

Lee Harvey Oswald came into his barbershop in late August 1963 for a haircut, that he was able

to remember him because he had few strangers as patrons, and that a woman was driving him

in "a battered old car". The state acknowledged that it could not identify here and make it clear

that, in particular, it was not alleging that this woman was Marina Oswald (now Marina Oswald

Porter). The state wished it could have identified her.

Here's an extract from the trial transcript:

McGehee also testified, "The car might have been dark-green--but the make of it I just couldn't

remember, it was an old car, real old." It "resembled a Kaiser or Frasier or an old Nash." "There

was a woman sitting on the front seat", he recalled, "and in the back seat" he also noticed what

"looked like a [baby] bassinet". He suggested that Oswald [who was looking for a job] pay a visit

to State Representative Reeves Morgan, who worked as a guard at the East Louisiana State Mental

Hospital, who testified that Oswald visited him at his home outside of Jackson for 20 or 25 minutes,

and told him of his expertise as an electrician. It was late August or early September. Not called

was Morgan's daughter, Mary, a student at LSU in 1967, who told the New Orleans District Attorney

that "when Oswald was in the house talking with dad, she happened to walk towards the screen door

and sat on the porch and just casually noticed that there was a dark colored car parked under the tree

in front of the house." It was "an old car and the model was somewhere in the Fifties." She remembered

"seeing a woman in the car". Her and her father's testimony both appears to have been taken in 1967.

THE HSCA PUTS THE WOMAN BEHIND THE WHEEL

On 19 January 1978, Mr. McGehee was interviewed by Bob Buras and Patricia Orr of the House Select

Committee on Assassinations at his home in Jackson about the testimony that he had presented on 6

February 1969. He reiterated that Oswald had come in for a haircut in late August 1963 and that "a

woman in a battered old car had driven up at about the same time that Oswald had arrived. He did

not see Oswald get out of or into the car. McGehee was unable to remember the type of car that the

woman had been driving. A big black car pulled away shortly after Oswald left. He did not know if

Oswald got into it." Because of his "clean cut appearance", after Oswald explained to him that he

"really needed a job", McGehee referred him to his friend, Morgan Reeves, who worked at the East

Louisiana State Hospital, which might be looking for someone to work in its electrical department:

THE HSCA MAKES MARY MORGAN’S “WOMAN IN THE CAR” VANISH

The same staff members had also interviewed Morgan Reeves just a few hours earlier on the same

day. "He verified that his statements made at the Clay Shaw trial, which [they] went over with him,

were accurate and truthful" and that "Sometime in 'probably the latter part of August' Oswald came

to Morgan's home to talk with him about getting a job at East Louisiana State Hospital. He "believes

Oswald drove up to his home or had been driven to his home by somebody, because he had heard the

car come up the driveway just before Oswald came to the door. Unfortunately, [either] Mr. Morgan or

his daughter, who was present at the time, did not see the car or the possible driver."

STATEMENT BY JUDYTH VARY BAKER:

Multiple reports that LHO could drive were rejected by the Warren Commission, for Ruth Paine and Marina Oswald--who was under duress--consistently stated that LHO could not drive. But other reports from the Irving, Texas-based barber (Mr. Sasheen), the barber in Jackson, LA (Lea McGehee), and Mary Morgan, the daughter of Texas State Representative Reeves Morgan, among others, suggested that Oswald in fact could drive.

The HSCA was deeply concerned about these inconsistencies. There was no doubt that at least some witnesses had seen Marina and Lee Oswald together, with Lee driving. Judyth Vary Baker was also seen by two people -- Lea McGehee and Mary Morgan -- during the course of the second trip LHO made to the East Louisiana State [Mental] Hospital. That trip concerned the testing of a bioweapon for use against Fidel Castro. She was with him in the car when he had his hair cut by Lea McGehee and when Mary Morgan saw her.

In 1969 testimony, a woman closely associated with Oswald and who was also with him the trip to the hospital was with him. Lee drove the car. By 1978, however, that woman was now described as driving the car herself and was no longer closely associated with Oswald in one report and in the other, she had disappeared entirely from the record. The woman whom Garrison wanted identified became an inconvenient, disappearing woman by the time the HSCA investigators re-examined the witnesses. That woman was me.

Edited May 4, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

OSWALD AND BAKER: DR. HENRY SILVAO

by Judyth Vary Baker and Lola Heavey

NOTE: This is a nice example of "primary research" where a witness corrects

the record of studies that purport to settle issues, but do so in misleading ways.

My inference would be that Silva may have remained “on the job” because there

was too much risk involved in allowing inquiries to be made without a manager.

THE LAMBERT TARGET ARTICLE

The Good Witness: Dr. Frank Silva and “Lee Harvey Oswald”

by Patricia Lambert

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/silva.htm

“…Dr. Silva [was] a prominent psychiatrist in Baton Rouge. But in 1963 he was

working at this mental hospital “in charge of training residents for Tulane.” Dr.

Silva said he was sent there by Tulane “for 45 days and I stayed four years” as

director of the program.

Dr. Silva said that he was working at the hospital all during the year 1963 but

had never seen or heard of Lee Harvey Oswald. He was originally scheduled to

be there 45 days, but remained there, conveniently, for four years.

JUDYTH AND LOLA COMMENT:: “Why did he stay for four years? Was it

because after the experiments there, he had to provide “damage control” for any

investigators, such as from the press, the FBI, Garrison, etc.?

Lambert, who is no friend of Garrison’s, nevertheless occasionally helps his case,

such as her report on Dr. Silva -- a physician working at the East Louisiana (Mental)

Hospital near Jackson. The Registrar of Voters, Henry Palmer, stated to Garrison that

Lee H. Oswald told him he was ‘living’ with Dr. Silva at the hospital. Why would Oswald

say such a thing? Speculation from Silva was that Palmer was somehow out to ‘get him’

for some reason. But Palmer simply repeated what Oswald told him. He had no vendetta

against Silva.

The truth is often elegant. Oswald, waiting with Ferrie and Shaw in the black Cadillac,

saw the voter registration drive going on and, as George DeMohrenschildt has told us,

he was concerned about civil rights. Witnesses agree the Clinton-Jackson sightings were

at the end of August or early September. The exact date was August 29, 1963, the day

after Martin Luther King’s speech of August 28. Lee Oswald is on record as having sat on

the “colored” side at the courthouse when he waited to pay his fine after his August 9th

arrest. Carlos Bringuier mentions it. The same man wanted to support the blacks who

were attempting to register to vote. He spoke to a colored girl who had been rejected,

who was very upset because she had an A.A. degree in business and they said she was

illiterate.

Lee returned briefly to the car and made a bet that he could register without showing any

documentation. For that reason, Lee named a doctor he knew was at the hospital. After all,

this trip was to join a convoy that would be delivering one or more prisoners to the hospital

for the bioweapon experiment. Lee said he was living with Dr. Silva -- that was his “proof of

residency” -- to try to win the bet. Lee told Judyth Vary Baker that he had actually succeeded

in getting registered briefly before he let the cat out of the bag by asking Palmer how he might

obtain a job out there -- when he was supposedly already living with the doctor there!

Edited May 4, 2010 by James H. Fetzer