Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

[Barb Junkkarinen]

JUDYTH REPLIES TO JACK ABOUT IQs AND NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS

JUDYTH RESPONDS:

RE THE NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS WORKING WITH ME: THESE MATERIALS WERE VETTED

EARLY ON. I NO LONGER EVEN OWN THEM, HERE OVERSEAS. BUT THE ONE ARTICLE I

CAN PROVIDE FROM HERE, I HAVE THE QUOTE--WHICH IS BELOW--FROM THE ARTICLE.

THE 4TH SCIENCE WRITER'S SEMINAR, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH I ATTENDED, IS MENTIONED

ON THE INTERNET. BUT TRY TO FIND SOME OF THE OTHERS. THEY WERE HELD EVERY YEAR,

BUT MANY ARE MISSING FROM THE INTERNET RECORD.

THE QUOTATION OF THE ARTICLE I HAPPEN TO HAVE AT HAND (THERE WERE OTHERS), SAYS,

"WITH TWO NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS, AND LEADERS IN CANCER RESEARCH, JUDY VARY...

RECENTLY ATTENDED..."

IT DOES NOT SAY I MET THEM. IT SAYS I WAS WITH THEM, ATTENDED THE EVENT WITH THEM,

NOT IN THE AUDIENCE. I SAT IN THEIR MIDST, RIGHT NEXT TO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF CANCER

RESEARCH FOR THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY, DR. DIEHL. I ATE LUNCHES WITH THEM, WAS

TUTORED BY THEM, THEY WERE FASCINATED WITH MY WORK AND ACTUALLY WENT TO MY HIGH

SCHOOL TO CHECK MY WORK 9ALSO IN A NEWSPAPER OR YEARBOOK ARTICLE).

THE ROBINSONS --HUSBAND AND WIFE-- ARE IN ANOTHER ARTICLE AS PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION

MONEY FOR ME TO GO TO ROSWELL PARK IN BUFFALO, WHERE, BY THE WAY, HIS SECOND WIFE AND

HE OWNED A HOME: .

"In 1912 Sir Robert married Gertrude Maud Walsh, a fellow student at Manchester University. They

collaborated in several fields of chemical research, notably in a survey of anthocyanins. She died in

1954; they had one son and one daughter. In 1957, he married Stearn Sylvia Hillstrom (née Hershey)

of New York REF: nobelprize.org/.../1947/robinson-bio.html

THIS WAS BUFFALO, NEW YORK. I LIVE OVERSEAS AND DO NOT HAVE THESE ARTICLES WITH ME, BUT

THE EDITORS OF MY BOOK TRACKED DOWN EVERY DETAIL AND ARTICLE.

The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 1947 was awarded to Sir Robert Robinson "for his investigations on plant

products of biological importance, especially the alkaloids".

NEWSPAPER ARTICLES MENTION THE NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS AND ONE TELLS US THE ROBINSONS

PAID FOR MY TRIP TO BUFFALO, NEW YORK.

JVB

There is a huge difference between saying that Nobel Prize winners "worked with you" and "IT DOES NOT SAY I MET THEM. IT SAYS I WAS WITH THEM, ATTENDED THE EVENT WITH THEM,

NOT IN THE AUDIENCE. I SAT IN THEIR MIDST, RIGHT NEXT TO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF CANCER

RESEARCH FOR THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY, DR. DIEHL. I ATE LUNCHES WITH THEM, WAS

TUTORED BY THEM, THEY WERE FASCINATED WITH MY WORK AND ACTUALLY WENT TO MY HIGH

SCHOOL TO CHECK MY WORK 9ALSO IN A NEWSPAPER OR YEARBOOK ARTICLE."

Is Judyth suggesting that these Nobel Prize winners were so fascinated with her work that they took a special trip to her high school for the sole purpose of checking out her work in a newspaper and her year book article?

I have a picture (honestly) of me hitting Muhammed Ali in the jaw. Is it fair for me to tell people that he went down to the ground as if he were shot, he begged me not to hurt him, and that I am the greatest boxer who ever lived? I also ran a race where I ran step for step with Frank Shorter for over a mile.(again true) Does that mean I can tell people I could have won the Olympic marathon? Judyth would.

Doug Weldon

Doug,

It was at this cancer writer's seminar that Judyth met Dr. George Moore from Roswell Park. Dr. Moore along with Dr. Mirand (then the dean at RP) had created the RP summer program for students a few years prior. Dr.Moore was impressed enough to invite Judyth to be the student he would mentor at the summer program later that year. (Each student who attended the summer program was chosen by one of the dept heads to be their mentored student). Dr. Moore was a major cancer researcher at RP and he did invite Judyth. She claims that Moore and others went to her high school to look at her experiment/set up/logs etc. Moore at least would seem feasible, as well as Diehl, who was local, with ACS. She also claims she was not allowed to be present when they checked out her stuff ... that does not sound likely to me. Whether anyone went and looked or not ... she did attend the writer's seminar and Moore did invite her to be his mentored student in the summer program later that year. There is a news clipping that notes that Robinson offered to pay her transportation costs.

But Judyth leaves out something important here ... perhaps this is yet another change in her story. In her book, Judyth claims that she "crashed" the seminar ... and was nearly escorted from the seminar by security ... until she wowed and zowed them of course, then she was invited to attend the remaining days.

In her book, page 11, under a section she titles "I CRASH THE SCIENCE WRITER'S SEMINAR," she writes:

"I was informed the nation's foremost cancer research scientists and top medical reporters were about to convene for the 4th Annual Science Writer's Seminar. Col. Doyle (one of her teachers) said I could attend if he could get me in. He tried, stressing my contacts with Walter Reed and Oak Ridge, but was told only famous doctors and scientists in cancer research and reporters from the major worldwide newspapers were allowed to attend. I thanked Col Doyle for trying to help me, asked my sister and a few friends to take care of my mice, dumped my books into my school locker, and set out to crash the Seminar."

She goes onto to relate that it was 22 miles away and says that,

"Since I was playing hooky, I had to walk it, armed with my research files and my worthless high school newspaper press pass."

A long way to go with causeways and a big bridge to cross, she saw a Trailways bus come "roaring up" and goes on to say,

"I displayed a length of leg, the driver stopped, and I got on, no harm done."

She relates that in the chaos in the lobby, she flashed her high school press pass and was waved inside.

Once inside, she found a seat and though the lights were down,

"...I was quickly noticed. Whispering and pointing began ..... I refused to look at them, keeping my head down ....Just then, a distinguished doctor at the front of the conference hall opened the Seminar.These science writers who should have been paying attention to the slides that began flashing across the screen up front, continued whispering among themselves and turning around to peer at me.

Suddenly there was a pause in the doctor's talk. The slide show came to a halt. I looked up cautiously and saw why: several grumpy-looking men in nice suits were coming toward me , with a policeman. They had decided to evict me. I was being literally lifted from my seat by a security guard when I was spotted by Dr. Harold Diehl, the Vice President of Research for the entire American Cancer Society."

Kind of leaves you breathless with excitement and suspense, doesn't it!?

Long story short, Dr. Diehl and one of the Nobel winners ... Robinson, were so astonished at her pluck for crashing the thing, she was allowed to stay and became the apple of everyone's eye. For the next 3 days of the seminar, she claims,

"...reporters arrived every morning at my high school to take me to the Seminar, and doctors or reporters drove me home."

The newspaper article, saying she was one of two Floridians invited to attend, is much more plausible in my opinion...and she had this amazing crashing the seminar adventure, one would think the newspaper would have seized the moment ... for it would have made for a much more interesting story.

So, several lillies seem to have been gilded here, in my opinion ... including her claims of having been "tutored" by Nobel prize winners. Being at the same conference, meeting and greeting and having lunch, even having her work looked at, etc., is not the same as being under their tutelage. What she was doing as high school student was impressive ... no doubt about that. And some, like Dr. Moore, Robinson and Dr. Diehl, took notice. It opened the door for Judyth to go to the Roswell Park summer program. But her crashing story is a bit much to take, in my opinion. There had already been newspaper articles and photos about Judyth's cancer experiments ... I find it much more plausible that Col. Doyle was able to get her invited to attend ... but that doesn't make for nearly as exciting of a story where she becomes the center of attention from the get-go ... and that is a theme we see over and over again in her story.

Bests,

Barb :-)

[Doug Weldon]

JUDYTH REPLIES TO JACK ABOUT IQs AND NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS

JUDYTH RESPONDS:

RE THE NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS WORKING WITH ME: THESE MATERIALS WERE VETTED

EARLY ON. I NO LONGER EVEN OWN THEM, HERE OVERSEAS. BUT THE ONE ARTICLE I

CAN PROVIDE FROM HERE, I HAVE THE QUOTE--WHICH IS BELOW--FROM THE ARTICLE.

THE 4TH SCIENCE WRITER'S SEMINAR, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH I ATTENDED, IS MENTIONED

ON THE INTERNET. BUT TRY TO FIND SOME OF THE OTHERS. THEY WERE HELD EVERY YEAR,

BUT MANY ARE MISSING FROM THE INTERNET RECORD.

THE QUOTATION OF THE ARTICLE I HAPPEN TO HAVE AT HAND (THERE WERE OTHERS), SAYS,

"WITH TWO NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS, AND LEADERS IN CANCER RESEARCH, JUDY VARY...

RECENTLY ATTENDED..."

IT DOES NOT SAY I MET THEM. IT SAYS I WAS WITH THEM, ATTENDED THE EVENT WITH THEM,

NOT IN THE AUDIENCE. I SAT IN THEIR MIDST, RIGHT NEXT TO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF CANCER

RESEARCH FOR THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY, DR. DIEHL. I ATE LUNCHES WITH THEM, WAS

TUTORED BY THEM, THEY WERE FASCINATED WITH MY WORK AND ACTUALLY WENT TO MY HIGH

SCHOOL TO CHECK MY WORK 9ALSO IN A NEWSPAPER OR YEARBOOK ARTICLE).

THE ROBINSONS --HUSBAND AND WIFE-- ARE IN ANOTHER ARTICLE AS PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION

MONEY FOR ME TO GO TO ROSWELL PARK IN BUFFALO, WHERE, BY THE WAY, HIS SECOND WIFE AND

HE OWNED A HOME: .

"In 1912 Sir Robert married Gertrude Maud Walsh, a fellow student at Manchester University. They

collaborated in several fields of chemical research, notably in a survey of anthocyanins. She died in

1954; they had one son and one daughter. In 1957, he married Stearn Sylvia Hillstrom (née Hershey)

of New York REF: nobelprize.org/.../1947/robinson-bio.html

THIS WAS BUFFALO, NEW YORK. I LIVE OVERSEAS AND DO NOT HAVE THESE ARTICLES WITH ME, BUT

THE EDITORS OF MY BOOK TRACKED DOWN EVERY DETAIL AND ARTICLE.

The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 1947 was awarded to Sir Robert Robinson "for his investigations on plant

products of biological importance, especially the alkaloids".

NEWSPAPER ARTICLES MENTION THE NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS AND ONE TELLS US THE ROBINSONS

PAID FOR MY TRIP TO BUFFALO, NEW YORK.

JVB

There is a huge difference between saying that Nobel Prize winners "worked with you" and "IT DOES NOT SAY I MET THEM. IT SAYS I WAS WITH THEM, ATTENDED THE EVENT WITH THEM,

NOT IN THE AUDIENCE. I SAT IN THEIR MIDST, RIGHT NEXT TO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF CANCER

RESEARCH FOR THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY, DR. DIEHL. I ATE LUNCHES WITH THEM, WAS

TUTORED BY THEM, THEY WERE FASCINATED WITH MY WORK AND ACTUALLY WENT TO MY HIGH

SCHOOL TO CHECK MY WORK 9ALSO IN A NEWSPAPER OR YEARBOOK ARTICLE."

Is Judyth suggesting that these Nobel Prize winners were so fascinated with her work that they took a special trip to her high school for the sole purpose of checking out her work in a newspaper and her year book article?

I have a picture (honestly) of me hitting Muhammed Ali in the jaw. Is it fair for me to tell people that he went down to the ground as if he were shot, he begged me not to hurt him, and that I am the greatest boxer who ever lived? I also ran a race where I ran step for step with Frank Shorter for over a mile.(again true) Does that mean I can tell people I could have won the Olympic marathon? Judyth would.

Doug Weldon

Doug,

It was at this cancer writer's seminar that Judyth met Dr. George Moore from Roswell Park. Dr. Moore along with Dr. Mirand (then the dean at RP) had created the RP summer program for students a few years prior. Dr.Moore was impressed enough to invite Judyth to be the student he would mentor at the summer program later that year. (Each student who attended the summer program was chosen by one of the dept heads to be their mentored student). Dr. Moore was a major cancer researcher at RP and he did invite Judyth. She claims that Moore and others went to her high school to look at her experiment/set up/logs etc. Moore at least would seem feasible, as well as Diehl, who was local, with ACS. She also claims she was not allowed to be present when they checked out her stuff ... that does not sound likely to me. Whether anyone went and looked or not ... she did attend the writer's seminar and Moore did invite her to be his mentored student in the summer program later that year. There is a news clipping that notes that Robinson offered to pay her transportation costs.

But Judyth leaves out something important here ... perhaps this is yet another change in her story. In her book, Judyth claims that she "crashed" the seminar ... and was nearly escorted from the seminar by security ... until she wowed and zowed them of course, then she was invited to attend the remaining days.

In her book, page 11, under a section she titles "I CRASH THE SCIENCE WRITER'S SEMINAR," she writes:

"I was informed the nation's foremost cancer research scientists and top medical reporters were about to convene for the 4th Annual Science Writer's Seminar. Col. Doyle (one of her teachers) said I could attend if he could get me in. He tried, stressing my contacts with Walter Reed and Oak Ridge, but was told only famous doctors and scientists in cancer research and reporters from the major worldwide newspapers were allowed to attend. I thanked Col Doyle for trying to help me, asked my sister and a few friends to take care of my mice, dumped my books into my school locker, and set out to crash the Seminar."

She goes onto to relate that it was 22 miles away and says that,

"Since I was playing hooky, I had to walk it, armed with my research files and my worthless high school newspaper press pass."

A long way to go with causeways and a big bridge to cross, she saw a Trailways bus come "roaring up" and goes on to say,

"I displayed a length of leg, the driver stopped, and I got on, no harm done."

She relates that in the chaos in the lobby, she flashed her high school press pass and was waved inside.

Once inside, she found a seat and though the lights were down,

"...I was quickly noticed. Whispering and pointing began ..... I refused to look at them, keeping my head down ....Just then, a distinguished doctor at the front of the conference hall opened the Seminar.These science writers who should have been paying attention to the slides that began flashing across the screen up front, continued whispering among themselves and turning around to peer at me.

Suddenly there was a pause in the doctor's talk. The slide show came to a halt. I looked up cautiously and saw why: several grumpy-looking men in nice suits were coming toward me , with a policeman. They had decided to evict me. I was being literally lifted from my seat by a security guard when I was spotted by Dr. Harold Diehl, the Vice President of Research for the entire American Cancer Society."

Kind of leaves you breathless with excitement and suspense, doesn't it!?

Long story short, Dr. Diehl and one of the Nobel winners ... Robinson, were so astonished at her pluck for crashing the thing, she was allowed to stay and became the apple of everyone's eye. For the next 3 days of the seminar, she claims,

"...reporters arrived every morning at my high school to take me to the Seminar, and doctors or reporters drove me home."

The newspaper article, saying she was one of two Floridians invited to attend, is much more plausible in my opinion...and she had this amazing crashing the seminar adventure, one would think the newspaper would have seized the moment ... for it would have made for a much more interesting story.

So, several lillies seem to have been gilded here, in my opinion ... including her claims of having been "tutored" by Nobel prize winners. Being at the same conference, meeting and greeting and having lunch, even having her work looked at, etc., is not the same as being under their tutelage. What she was doing as high school student was impressive ... no doubt about that. And some, like Dr. Moore, Robinson and Dr. Diehl, took notice. It opened the door for Judyth to go to the Roswell Park summer program. But her crashing story is a bit much to take, in my opinion. There had already been newspaper articles and photos about Judyth's cancer experiments ... I find it much more plausible that Col. Doyle was able to get her invited to attend ... but that doesn't make for nearly as exciting of a story where she becomes the center of attention from the get-go ... and that is a theme we see over and over again in her story.

Bests,

Barb :-)

Barb:

Thank you. This is very interesting!

Best.

Doug Weldon

[Barb Junkkarinen]

Barb:

Thank you. This is very interesting!

Best.

Doug Weldon

One might even say quite creative writing, eh?

Bests,

Barb :-)

[Guest John Gillespie]

A long way to go with causeways and a big bridge to cross, she saw a Trailways bus come "roaring up" and goes on to say,

"I displayed a length of leg, the driver stopped, and I got on, no harm done."

Interesting, entertaining, and one of the funniest things I've read here in awhile.

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Damned if that line - ""I displayed a length of leg, the driver stopped, and I got on, no harm done." - isn't some Raymond Chandler dialogue, but from the driver's perspective: "From 30 feet away she looked like a lot of class. From 10 feet away she looked like something made up to be seen from 30 feet away. "

Here's Chandler again, but even more to the point: "I don't mind your showing me your legs. They're very swell legs and it's a pleasure to make their acquaintace. I don't mind if you don't like my manners. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter nights."

JG

[Guest John Gillespie]

Barb:

... "Have you ever had a dream where you dreamed the whole world was having a party and you were not invited?" ...

Doug Weldon

On the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, George Gobel once asked: "Did you ever feel life was a tuxedo and you were a pair of brown shoes?"

Indeed...

Indeed, indeed. I think we've all had a moment like that. Loved Lonesome George ... low key with always just the right line at the right moment.

Barb :-)

_____________________________________________________________________

My favorite, unforgettable Gobelism is a parting remark he made on a Labor Day weekend show when he looked at the camera and stated that the National Safety Council had predicted that x amount of thousands would be killed on highways during the Holiday weekend and that, so far, x amount (a lower figure) had died. He paused, wagged an index finger, and said "some of you just aren't trying."

JG

Edited June 5, 2010 by John Gillespie

[Evan Burton]

My favorite, unforgettable Gobelism is a parting remark he made on a Labor Day weekend show when he looked at the camera and stated that the National Safety Council had predicted that x amount of thousands would be killed on highways during the Holiday weekend and that, so far, x amount (a lower figure) had died. He paused, wagged an index finger, and said "some of you just aren't trying."

JG

LOL!!!!

[William Kelly]

ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE OBSERVATIONS OF MY PSY OPS EXPERT:

[snip]...

So basically it is important for anyone investigating their story not to "throw the baby out with the bathwater", just because the water gets a little dirty.

Indeed...Moreover, don't throw the "bathwater [evidence] out with the baby" simply becuse the "baby" may have made human errors! Evidence is evidence irresective of the "baby" responsible for supplying it.

Judyth has been subjected to threats and libel, even though she is a documented witness to LHO in NOLA in the summer of 1963. Yes, her situation is complex; the 'research community' that did everything to discredit and destroy her while then blaming her for the fact that she had no choice but to leave the US to survive, and was hounded even while in asylum definitely plays a part in this. It seems that you too may be comfortable blaming the victim of the attacks rather than acknowledging the reason for them in the first place, which was most likely protection at all costs of Marina's testimony to the WCR and, thus, the WCR itself, not to mention keeping the doors shut to the underbelly of the assassination in NOLA that summer.

You could, if you wished, take Judyth's statements and compare them with those of Adele Edison who was allowed to come forward and give her testimony. If you are objective, you may see eery coincidences and other eye-opening leads that may help underline the significance of what each of them has to say.

Except that if Judyth really was a victim of crimes and being pursued to the ends of the earth and the source of libel cases being filed there would be additional official records and suspects, but there isn't.

While some independent researchers I trust are getting new information, documents and new witnesses from information they say JVB has provided, and it is panning out, I still haven't seen it, other than the previously published but uncited book that refers to the Koon Kreek Klub, one nugget that I had never heard of before.

And there is no comparison betwen the two, despite their apparently similar medical research background. Dr. Edisen just spent a week in Washington D.C. at her own expense, not to call attention to her story, promote a book, sell her movie rights or increase the references to her on the internet, but rather she lobbied Congressmen to fullfill their responsibilities and oversee the JFK Act, release the JFK assassination records and determine what became of the records that were destroyed and are missing.

Over the years she has quietly given us everything she knows and has led us to dozens of records, witnesses and suspects, including SAIC NO SS John W. Rice, FBI liason to SS Orrin Bartlett, Dr./Col. Jose Rivera, Dr. Lamana and others we are still researching and will be for many more years. And she now has nothing to fear in that she has told us, and testified before the ARRB, and we now have the additional records obtained by the ARRB, so we've taken her information beyond even what she knew, so she's no longer vulnerable.

And I insist that this thread not intermingle JVB's story with any other unconnected witness, as I think that if JVB is tangled up with psych-warriors then one purpose would be to pollute what we know to be the truth.

BK

Speaking of Koon Kreek Klub, I have compiled some links and tidbits here:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassi...f127490f566103f

Newspaper article From April 1957 mentions Oechsner as member of Klub:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1891...;pg=890,1922470

I believe the Klub has changed its name by replacing the K's with C's .....

Regards,

Peter Fokes

Thanks Peter,

I think these private men's clubs are important, as that's where they make all the behind closed doors decisions.

Another one is the Tryall Club near Montego Bay Jamaica, once owned by Sir William Stephenson and included members like John Connally, Jean DeMenil and the Dallas/Houston oil crowd.

BK

[Peter McGuire]

It seems I got this far.

You are either with us or against us. It is that simple.

Then im against you/them

I dont believe one word Judyth Baker says

The only truth that I have been able to find is that she was a good science student and that she did work at Riley Coffee, when LHO also was working there. Dixie

So it looks to me that you agree with half of what I do. What is significant in my mind is that this was not disclosed in the Warren or any other government report.

Someone who worked with the alleged assassin of JFK has a lot to contribute and should have been questioned long ago.

She goes a long way in making the "lone nut loser" myth seem absurd, and I think those who are covering this up know that as well.

[Pamela Brown]

It seems I got this far.

You are either with us or against us. It is that simple.

Then im against you/them

I dont believe one word Judyth Baker says

The only truth that I have been able to find is that she was a good science student and that she did work at Riley Coffee, when LHO also was working there. Dixie

So it looks to me that you agree with half of what I do. What is significant in my mind is that this was not disclosed in the Warren or any other government report.

Someone who worked with the alleged assassin of JFK has a lot to contribute and should have been questioned long ago.

She goes a long way in making the "lone nut loser" myth seem absurd, and I think those who are covering this up know that as well.

Judyth went into hiding after the assassination. There is no evidence that her name came up. However, you are correct in that the FBI should have questioned those who worked at Reily at the same time as LHO. However, since they were intent on shutting doors to conspiracy and not opening them, this did not take place.

[Greg Burnham]

It seems I got this far.

You are either with us or against us. It is that simple.

Then im against you/them

I dont believe one word Judyth Baker says

The only truth that I have been able to find is that she was a good science student and that she did work at Riley Coffee, when LHO also was working there. Dixie

So it looks to me that you agree with half of what I do. What is significant in my mind is that this was not disclosed in the Warren or any other government report.

Someone who worked with the alleged assassin of JFK has a lot to contribute and should have been questioned long ago.

She goes a long way in making the "lone nut loser" myth seem absurd, and I think those who are covering this up know that as well.

Judyth went into hiding after the assassination. There is no evidence that her name came up. However, you are correct in that the FBI should have questioned those who worked at Reily at the same time as LHO. However, since they were intent on shutting doors to conspiracy and not opening them, this did not take place.

As you know, I have admitted my state of "cognitive dissonance" on this subject. This is because my "instincts" after having interviewed her, tell me she is not lying. However, much of what she claims has not been verified--and some claims may not be accurate, IMO. That does NOT necessarily mean they are lies, just unproven.

However, since even her detractors agree that she worked at Reilly's concurrently with Oswald, it seems suspect that none of them were interviewed by the FBI. One possible explanation is that if her information was "too hot to handle" it would have been too blatant an ommission--had all employees been interviewed EXCEPT her. So perhaps they skipped all of them over.

I don't know.

The offer to question her on Black Op Radio remains on the table.

[Frankie Vegas]

YouTube: Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

http://www.youtube.com/user/JamesFetzerNews

Judyth Vary Baker, with whom I and showothers within the JFK community are in contact, lives in exile due to persecution in the US because of what she knows as a witness concerning Lee Harvey Oswald. The covert operation against Judyth is very serious and takes its toll upon her. She is now 66 years of age and has been forced to live in exile in Europe, where she resides in virtual poverty, even though she is a talented artist who has sold her paintings around the world for more than thirty years. The objective of this campaign appears to be to minimize awareness of her existence as a link to the alleged assassin.

My Blog: Judyth Vary Baken: Living in Exile

http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2010...-in-exile.html

,

I have no doubt whatsoever that she met Lee Oswald, worked with him and was his girlfriend. The fact that she had to be discredited and live in hiding works in her favor.

Not believing her is like insisting that the backyard photos are not fake, and at the same time "believing in conspiracy."

I am going to start taking a hard line on those with those sitting on the fence.

You are either with us or against us. It is that simple.

Well, Count me against you.

There is nothing that she has to say that leads to any new witnesses or records, nothing she has said that is new or dangerous to anybody, and she is not being persecuted for anything, as the calamidies that have befallen her are of her own making.

Those who really know something that is dangerous try to keep thier names off the internet, not complain that somebody must be errasing the internet records of her exploits.

Fraud or no fraud, she doesn't add anything new to what we already know, so why bother with her at all?

Somebody ought to make a dramatic soap opera of her whole life and then we wouldn't have to watch it.

If she has something new and different to place on the record, can lead us to one new witness or records we don't know about, I'd like to know who and what it is.

BK

Bill Kelly, great point. She really brings nothing to the case what so ever. It also looks like she runs around the place vandalising her environs. If she truly was being harrassed, these guys are the dumbest most unsophisticated bunch of yobs I have ever seen. Seriously, Jim theres something really fishy going on.

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3292&page=11

Edited July 20, 2010 by Frankie Fortune

[Linda Minor]

All I can add is that Judyth's book should be out by September at the latest. If anyone who reads this is truly an objective researcher looking for the truth he or she will read for themselves what she has to say. To state that she adds nothing new without reading what she has to say and looking at the exhibits printed in the book is proof to me that the so-called researcher makes conclusions based on hearsay and innuendo. Objectivity requires open minds, which this forum lacks.

[Greg Burnham]

All I can add is that Judyth's book should be out by September at the latest. If anyone who reads this is truly an objective researcher looking for the truth he or she will read for themselves what she has to say. To state that she adds nothing new without reading what she has to say and looking at the exhibits printed in the book is proof to me that the so-called researcher makes conclusions based on hearsay and innuendo. Objectivity requires open minds, which this forum lacks.

If what she wrote in this new book:

1) contains significantly "new information" --beyond that which she has previously reported AND

2) is clearly relevant to the assassination of JFK (not merely about an extra-marital affair with the accused) AND

3) is verifiable and/or has credible corroberation of the claims

...then it should gain some "traction" within the research community and beyond. If any of the above are absent, it won't, IMO.

Edited July 21, 2010 by Greg Burnham

[Jack White]

All I can add is that Judyth's book should be out by September at the latest. If anyone who reads this is truly an objective researcher looking for the truth he or she will read for themselves what she has to say. To state that she adds nothing new without reading what she has to say and looking at the exhibits printed in the book is proof to me that the so-called researcher makes conclusions based on hearsay and innuendo. Objectivity requires open minds, which this forum lacks.

If what she wrote in this new book:

1) contains significantly "new information" --beyond that which she has previously reported AND

2) is clearly relevant to the assassination of JFK (not merely about an extra-marital affair with the accused) AND

3) is verifiable and/or has credible corroberation of the claims

...then it should gain some "traction" within the research community and beyond. If any of the above are absent, it won't, IMO.

...and IF the book is actually published.

Jack

[William Kelly]

All I can add is that Judyth's book should be out by September at the latest. If anyone who reads this is truly an objective researcher looking for the truth he or she will read for themselves what she has to say. To state that she adds nothing new without reading what she has to say and looking at the exhibits printed in the book is proof to me that the so-called researcher makes conclusions based on hearsay and innuendo. Objectivity requires open minds, which this forum lacks.

Objectivity - that elusive element that is a required trait for all Crime Scene Investigators, homicide detectives, jurors, journalists teachers and historians, is a really hard perspective to obtain, especially when approaching something as horific and spectacular as what happened at Dealey Plaza.

Not only open minds as to what Judyth has to say, but to what all the witnesses have to say - the eyes and ears of the crime that we depend on to make up our minds - and the documents they created to reflect what they saw and heard and experienced.

Whatever happened in New Oreans from late April to late September 63' is significant in determining what was going on with the primary suspect, Lee Harvey Oswald, but as far as I can determine, Oswald wasn't the Sixth Floor Sniper and those who go chasing "Ozzie the Rabbit" go through the looking glass and into the rabbit's hole and get lost in the maze, while the real assassins go free.

I think Will Weston, Duke Lane, Greg Parker, Gilbride and others who focus on what's really happening in the TSBD before, during and after the assassination, are getting closer to the truth than anyone who follows the Patsy, who was, after all, set up as the Fall Guy and Framed for the assassination weeks and months before it happened.

Unless of course, Oswald was just a crazy idiot who killed JFK because of his wife and the opportunity presented itself. Then the truth is already known, however unbelieveble.

BK