Bernice Moore Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Why and How the CIA Helped Assassinate JFK | Gary Revel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://garyrevel.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/...ssassinate-jfk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 (edited) Gary Revel: "He [HUNT] told them [senate Watergate Committee] that he had served as the first Chief of Covert Action for the Domestic Operations Division of the Central Intelligence Agency." "Hunt opened up again in a 1974 interview with the New York Times explaining how he ran that division for four years beginning in 1962, shortly after the failed Bay of Pigs fiasco. “many men connected with that failure were shunted into the new domestic unit.” Hunt had admitted. He confessed to using the division to subsidize and manipulate news and publishing organizations for the entire 4 years. "What he didn’t go into detail about was how these same men were some that had been hurt badly by President John Kennedy backing out of his promise to provide air support for the operation. This seemingly cowardly act had caused the failure of the entire Bay of Pigs Operation. It also caused the deaths of many of the CIA’s assets and valuable soldiers that were intending to free Cuba from Communism and Castro." Oops. Somebody didn't do his homework before writing this drivel. IMO, a lot of what he says has merit. However, the above statement that Kennedy "backed out" of promised air support at the Bay of Pigs is totally bogus. Moreover, the immediate cause of the operational failure could therefore not be due to any fictional "backing out" of a non-existent promise. And Revel should know better. The author could have advanced the case that he is trying to make much further had he known and/or reported the true history. He is ironically relying on a false cover story fabricated by the CIA themselves (to shift blame for the failure from them to JFK). The problem is...although the CIA cover story might have had some credibility back in the 60's, 70's, and even 80's--it was because much of the documentation thoroughly debunking such a notion had yet to be declassified. He is relying on several decades old "agency myth" in his opinion. Unfortunately, such dependence damages his own credibility, lessens the importance of his paper, and, ironically--the truth would have better served his purposes. Most disappointing, erroneous facts (cited as premises) are often placed within a larger context to support the main point. This has the effect of causing the premises to be assumed as fact by the uninitiated reader, wherein the overall point might be questioned and weighed, but not the premises presented as fact. As such, these blunders only serve to continue to muddy the waters. A pity. Edited April 28, 2010 by Greg Burnham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. A. Copeland Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 I love the old "JFK backed out of his promise" line lol...what a load of.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Hunt opened up again in a 1974 interview with the New York Times explaining how he ran that division [CIA's Domestic Operation Divison] for four years beginning in 1962, shortly after the failed Bay of Pigs fiasco. Hunt did not run that division. He worked in it. As I recall, he worked under Tracy Barnes. Of course Hunt could have lied and told the NYT that he ran the division. But even then Revel should know Hunt was lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 (edited) Hunt opened up again in a 1974 interview with the New York Times explaining how he ran that division [CIA's Domestic Operation Divison] for four years beginning in 1962, shortly after the failed Bay of Pigs fiasco. Hunt did not run that division. He worked in it. As I recall, he worked under Tracy Barnes. Of course Hunt could have lied and told the NYT that he ran the division. But even then Revel should know Hunt was lying. There are several "less than accurate" items in this piece. What is worse, not only does Revel quote dis or mis-information provided from Hunt, he provides some of his own! Edited April 28, 2010 by Greg Burnham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 (edited) Hunt opened up again in a 1974 interview with the New York Times explaining how he ran that division [CIA's Domestic Operation Divison] for four years beginning in 1962, shortly after the failed Bay of Pigs fiasco. Hunt did not run that division. He worked in it. As I recall, he worked under Tracy Barnes. Of course Hunt could have lied and told the NYT that he ran the division. But even then Revel should know Hunt was lying. Ron, According to the article: "He [HUNT] told them [senate Watergate Committee] that he had served as the first Chief of Covert Action for the Domestic Operations Division of the Central Intelligence Agency." So perhaps Revel was ambiguous in his usage of the word "Division" -- Apparently he was referring to the Covert Action Section of the Domestic Operations Division. I'll modify my post to reflect the correction. Edited April 28, 2010 by Greg Burnham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted April 28, 2010 Author Share Posted April 28, 2010 hi greg; couldn't find this earlier but did just now....no more revel articles until he attempts to get his info straight and honest..... the bay of pigs http://www.prouty.org/bay_pigs.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 hi greg; couldn't find this earlier but did just now....no more revel articles until he attempts to get his info straight and honest.....the bay of pigs http://www.prouty.org/bay_pigs.html Hi Bernice, There's nothing like getting the facts straight from someone, like Prouty, who was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted April 28, 2010 Author Share Posted April 28, 2010 you must wade through a heck of a lot of garbage to get to it...sheesh...at times...b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 you must wade through a heck of a lot of garbage to get to it...sheesh...at times...b Fortunately for us all, there are people like you who are willing to do the wading in order to uncover the gems. Sometimes no matter how much attention to detail we employ, we still find "germs" disguised as "gems" -- No worries. Good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted April 29, 2010 Author Share Posted April 29, 2010 THANKS GREG I LIKE THAT GERMS AND GEMS, LOTSA GERMS AROUND...PHOTO OF JUST ONE... THERE ARE MANY DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE FTWAI HERE... http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/bayofpigs/ b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted April 29, 2010 Author Share Posted April 29, 2010 btw for any interested here is today's from the n/a National Security Archive Update, April 29, 2010 BREAKING DOWN SOVIET MILITARY SECRECY Archive publishes documents from "The Dead Hand: The Untold Story of the Cold War Arms Race and Its Dangerous Legacy," the new book by David E. Hoffman, winner of the 2010 Pulitzer Prize for general non-fiction. For more information, contact: David E. Hoffman hoffmand@washpost.com http://www.nsarchive.org b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 btw for any interested here is today's from the n/aNational Security Archive Update, April 29, 2010 BREAKING DOWN SOVIET MILITARY SECRECY Archive publishes documents from "The Dead Hand: The Untold Story of the Cold War Arms Race and Its Dangerous Legacy," the new book by David E. Hoffman, winner of the 2010 Pulitzer Prize for general non-fiction. For more information, contact: David E. Hoffman hoffmand@washpost.com http://www.nsarchive.org b Good stuff, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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