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EIR Blows Israeli Spies' Cover

in Sept. 11 Case

by Jeffrey Steinberg and Edward Spannaus

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2850megaspies_story.html

Years of tracking down an important set of drug-trafficking cases, led EIR investigators to what has now become a contender for the story of the new century: the investigation of connections between detained Israeli spies and the events of Sept. 11. The opening gun of this earth-shaking story, was EIR's own, Nov. 29, 2001 release, which was circulated to subscribers in the Dec. 4, 2001 Executive Alert Service.

Thus the events of Sept. 11 and the ongoing coup threat must be first understood from the standpoint of the interaction of these three elements: 1.) the as-yet unidentified rogue operators within the military-security command; 2.) the strategic policy figures promoting the new Eurasian Thirty Years War; and 3.) the Israeli apparatus of Sharon and the IDF.

It is the latter, the IDF, which, as part of its war aims, has carried out an aggressive espionage and covert operations penetration of the U.S.A., including the recruitment of American-born assets. It is so far unknown, but strongly suspected, that some of these Israeli assets may have contributed an included feature of the rogue networks whose complicity abetted the successful attacks of Sept. 11.

With that said, the story can be told.

That Executive Alert Service item of Dec. 4 reported, under the headline, "A Sharon spy network in the Americas?", that "A well-placed Washington source has alerted EIR that there is growing suspicion among U.S. government law enforcement and intelligence agencies that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has dispatched special operations teams into North America. The warning came in the context of a discussion about the recent deportation of five Israelis who were detained on Sept. 11 for suspicious behavior."

Since Secretary of State Colin Powell's answer to a question from EIR's Washington Bureau Chief Bill Jones, at a Dec. 13 special State Department briefing, the lid is off the Israeli spy scandal and suggestions of its links to the Sept. 11 irregular warfare attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon—despite desperate efforts at suppressing the Israeli spy story by most leading news media.

At the Dec. 13 State Department briefing, Jones asked Powell: "There were 60 Israeli citizens who have been picked up in the post-Sept. 11 sweep, many of whom, if not all of whom, are connected to Israeli intelligence. . . Are you concerned about such intelligence operations on U.S. soil, and have you taken up this issue with your counterpart in Israel?"

Secretary Powell responded: "I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained, and I've been in touch with the Israeli government as to the fact that they have been detained, in making sure that they have rights of access to Israeli diplomatic personnel here in the United States. With respect to why they are being detained, and the other aspects of your question, whether it's because they are in intelligence services or what things they were doing, I will defer to the Department of Justice and the FBI to answer that; because, frankly, I deal with the consular parts of that problem, not the intelligence or law-enforcement parts of that problem."

What was behind that exchange between Jones and Powell?

Since the Alert report of the Israeli spy story, and the suspected links to Sept. 11, EIR has compiled evidence of a vast network of Israeli drug and diamond smugglers, spies, and communications intelligence operatives—all working under Israeli, American and Canadian corporate covers, on behalf of the mafia-riddled Sharon government, and Sharon's international sponsors in the Mega Group and allied Anglo-American circles (See EIR, Aug. 31, 2001, "Mega Was Not An Agent—Mega Was the Boss;" and Nov. 16, 2001, "The `Mega-maniacs' Steering Sharon's Mideast War Drive").

A number of sources have confirmed earlier EIR investigative findings that this network is engaged in:

A massive ecstasy trafficking operation, delivering hundreds of millions of dollars in illegal drugs, manufactured in the Netherlands, to cities across the United States. The drug trafficking operation is also engaged in black market diamond smuggling, using Hassidic Jews as couriers.

Portions of the funds garnered from the illegal operations, according to sources, are funneled to offshore bank accounts of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Some of these dirty funds were reportedly diverted to Sharon's election campaigns. This Israeli mafia apparatus receives technical support via a number of Israeli communications firms, that subcontract with major American telephone companies and government law enforcement agencies.

Spy operations, targeted at mosques and other centers of the Islamic-American communities. According to sources, the goal is to foment nominally "Arab" or "Islamic" labeled violence and terrorism inside the United States, to win Bush Administration support for an Israeli war against the Palestinians and Arabs. These sources believe further, Israeli-abetted terror attacks are to be expected.

Surveillance of U.S. government law enforcement, military and intelligence facilities, to gather profile information for such terrorist attacks, as well as espionage penetration. Organized teams of young, "recently retired" Israeli Defense Force soldiers, often associated with specialty units engaged in electronic signal intercepts and explosive ordinance, have targeted at least 36 domestic U.S. military bases, and many federal law enforcement and intelligence installations. A second feature of this targeting of USG facilities is the recruitment of "a new generation of Jonathan Pollards" (Israeli spies).

Between 1998 and early 2001, more than 200 Israeli nationals were arrested or detained inside the United States, on a variety of visa violations and other nominally petty violations, including low-level drug trafficking. The majority of these detainees claimed they were Israeli art students, peddling art work to cover their college tuitions; or were toy vendors, employed by an Israeli-owned Miami Beach company, Quality Sales Corporation, which investigations link to Israel's equivalent of the U.S. National Security Agency. The attorney for Quality Sales Corp., Thomas W. Dean, is also the director of litigation for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Legislation (NORML), one of the oldest of the drug legalization lobbies, which enjoys the financing of mega-speculator George Soros.

Prior to Sept. 11, a series of highly-classified government memos had been circulated by the CIA and the NSA, pronouncing this Israeli espionage operation a major national security problem.

A drug probe in Los Angeles provided one crucial clue to the broader drug/espionage/terror nexus. From 1997, up until he was arrested by a joint anti-drug task force in April 2000, Jacob "Cookie" Orgad ran one of the biggest ecstasy smuggling operations in America—for the Israeli dope-and-diamond crime syndicate. Orgad has been named as the "enforcer" of the infamous Heidi Fleiss Hollywood prostitution ring.

A highly confidential federal counter-surveillance effort eventually revealed that the Orgad gang was receiving inside information about phone taps, and even details of conversations between the federal and local police officials on the task force, as well as their home addresses and phone numbers.

Investigations into the sources of the leaks converged on two prominent Israeli corporations, which are both core service providers to the American telecommunications industry and to U.S. law enforcement agencies. The two companies are Amdocs and Comverse.

Amdocs was first identified in the Aug. 31, 2001 EIR expose of the Mega Group as part of the Israeli "inside" apparatus in the Clinton White House, that tapped the President's phone conversations with Monica Lewinsky, and used the tapes as blackmail leverage against the U.S. peace efforts in the Middle East.

Amdocs was incorporated in 1982 on the notorious offshore British financial safe-haven of Guernsey. It provides a wide range of top-end telecommunications services, including phone billings and fraud detection, to the 25 largest telephone companies in the United States and to companies in 50 other countries around the world. The overwhelming majority of its 9,000 employees are Israelis, and the top management are largely former high-ranking officers of Israeli military and intelligence bureaus.

Comverse, along with the Canadian company, JSI International, handles the majority of contracts, worldwide, for wiretaps, including in the United States. Comverse is a major sub-contractor for both the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Administration. Comverse, too, primarily employs Israeli military and intelligence veterans. The company is a leading manufacturer of facial-recognition and voice-recognition technology, employed by American law enforcement and intelligence.

Both firms have also been linked to the Israeli "art students" and toy vendors.

To summarize the EIR investigation as of this moment: The same billionaires' club, called "Mega," which was pointed to as the orchestrator of the 1997-99 operations against U.S. President Bill Clinton, is multiply linked to the authors of the current Israeli killing operations. It is situated in a network of U.S.A., Canada, Israeli, and other business organizations at the center of the Israeli military intelligence service's international operating capabilities. These businesses, like those involved in the Clinton White House message system scandal, represent wiretapping and other espionage capabilities beyond the means enjoyed by most leading governments.

Thomas W. Dean--attorney for Israeli owned Quality Sales Corp. out of Miami FL.

http://arizonamarijuanalaw.com/category/uncategorized/

And a little closer to home I present Michael Edison. Mike is writer for the notorious "High Times" the front company to promote drugs, as well as editor in chief of Screw , the porn magazine owned by Al Goldman. He was also another manipulator of crazy rage ball GG Allin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Edison

Al Goldman's view on christianity, god, mankind and what it means to be a Jew. It has a familiar ring to it, doesnt it?

"The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don't believe in authoritarianism." Ford then asked, "What does it mean to you to be a Jew?" To which Goldstein responded, "It doesn't mean xxxx. It means that I'm called a kike." Ford also asked, "Do you believe in God?" Goldstein said, "I believe in me. I'm God. xxxx God. God is your need to believe in some super being. I am the super being. I am your God, admit it. We're random. We're the flea on the ass of the dog."[5]

Them some Jews aint they?

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Len,

You are a grotesque figure here. You are obsessive, repetitive, and unrelenting. It is my opinion that you are acting on behalf of an agency and that you have no regard for the truth, which is far beyond your area of responsibility. But I have never seen a less warranted and more despicable post than this attack on STRANGER THAN FICTION. I have read the book. It is highly objective, historically accurate, and non-ideological—apart from the presentation of information about atrocities that were perpetrated in the effort to create a Jewish state by Irgun terrorists, including, for example, the bombing of the King David Hotel on 22 July 1946, where, dressed as Arabs, a gang of 15-20 Zionist extremists killed 91 persons, including some 15 Jews; or, on 9 April 1948, the slaughter of 254 Christian Arabs, including old men, women, and children, were lined up against a wall and shot; and, most interestingly, the attack on the USS Liberty on 8 June 1967, in which Israeli aircraft repeatedly strafed and torpedoed the American spy ship, which was clearly identified and which the pilots themselves had told their control, but were directed to attack anyway, killing 35 and injuring 170 others. I’ve interviewed Mark Glenn, the co-author of WHAT I SAW THAT DAY, which reports the eyewitness story of Phillip F. Tourney, who was aboard the ship. The two-hour program is archived here

The events that are reported in this book are well-known to historians and easily verifiable. I have done that myself with several of them. If you are going to accuse the author, whom I have also interviewed, of being a Nazi, then you had better be prepared to defend that claim, because, in my opinion, the closest persona to being a Nazi of my acquaintance is you. So I challenge you to justify your claims about this book. Post the chapter to which you take such exception here or identify exactly what you claim has a Nazi-like aspect to it. I have read six or eight chapters of the book on my program, which can be found at the following link:

So I want you to be very specific about what you take to be evidence for your contention. My two-hour interview with Albert D. Pastore, Ph.D., a pseudonym, may be found archived here:

As he observes in his opening statement, “Every news story in this book is true and easily verified”. You claim, “It goes far beyond blaming Jews for 9/11, its take on history from 1915 - 1941 is straight Nazi.” This is reprehensible on your part. I challenge you to show that this book is not historically accurate. Your characterization is nasty, cheap and false.

Jim

I responded to your challenge “to show that this book is not historically accurate” and “defend [my] claim it is “Nazi-like”. I met your challenge but then you didn’t reply, Evan blocked the thread so I invited you to reply on this one but you still haven’t replied. This is a repeat of what occurred with your Apollo claims, you challenged Evan to refute them, he did and you copped out on refuting him. You said my claim the book’s “take on history from 1915 - 1941 is straight Nazi” was “reprehensible… nasty, cheap and false”, I showed that what I said about it was reasonable and accurate. I challenge you to show I was wrong. You said I was Nazi like, if you reviewed those chapters and saw nothing wrong with them, that characterization applies to you.

See my reply in post # 7 of this thread:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16296

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EIR Blows Israeli Spies' Cover

in Sept. 11 Case

by Jeffrey Steinberg and Edward Spannaus

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2850megaspies_story.html

Years of tracking down an important set of drug-trafficking cases, led EIR investigators to what has now become a contender for the story of the new century: the investigation of connections between detained Israeli spies and the events of Sept. 11. The opening gun of this earth-shaking story, was EIR's own, Nov. 29, 2001 release, which was circulated to subscribers in the Dec. 4, 2001 Executive Alert Service.

Thus the events of Sept. 11 and the ongoing coup threat must be first understood from the standpoint of the interaction of these three elements: 1.)

More accusations backed by nothing but the sayso of the guru’s disciples, only convincing for the true believers.

And a little closer to home I present Michael Edison. Mike is writer for the notorious "High Times" the front company to promote drugs, as well as editor in chief of Screw , the porn magazine owned by Al Goldman. He was also another manipulator of crazy rage ball GG Allin.

LOL – Thanks for the laugh, your tendency to opine about which you know nothing is hilarious. Mike manipulate GG!? Then how do you explain GG not letting him into any of his later bands!? I guess like Mark Stapleton whenever you find out that someone you don’t like has contact with a Jew you assume the latter controls the former. Mike was a studio drummer on 1 album and played a show two and that’s it.

Them some Jews aint they?

Does any one still doubt that this loathsome woman is a bigot just like her guru?

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Terry is doing a good job of wiping the floor with you, so I have not been concerned about you.

Even if chapters paralleled MEIN KAMPF, as you claim, that would show it was "Nazi" or whatever

only if it were false! Establishing that STRANGER THAN FICTION offers a similar account of the

origins of WWI and WWII to that found in Hitler's volume does not show either of them is false.

You are going to have to do better than this, Len, for anyone to take you seriously. Tell me

which chapters bother you and I will reread them. But I am aware of no historical distortions.

Len,

You are a grotesque figure here. You are obsessive, repetitive, and unrelenting. It is my opinion that you are acting on behalf of an agency and that you have no regard for the truth, which is far beyond your area of responsibility. But I have never seen a less warranted and more despicable post than this attack on STRANGER THAN FICTION. I have read the book. It is highly objective, historically accurate, and non-ideological—apart from the presentation of information about atrocities that were perpetrated in the effort to create a Jewish state by Irgun terrorists, including, for example, the bombing of the King David Hotel on 22 July 1946, where, dressed as Arabs, a gang of 15-20 Zionist extremists killed 91 persons, including some 15 Jews; or, on 9 April 1948, the slaughter of 254 Christian Arabs, including old men, women, and children, were lined up against a wall and shot; and, most interestingly, the attack on the USS Liberty on 8 June 1967, in which Israeli aircraft repeatedly strafed and torpedoed the American spy ship, which was clearly identified and which the pilots themselves had told their control, but were directed to attack anyway, killing 35 and injuring 170 others. I’ve interviewed Mark Glenn, the co-author of WHAT I SAW THAT DAY, which reports the eyewitness story of Phillip F. Tourney, who was aboard the ship. The two-hour program is archived here

The events that are reported in this book are well-known to historians and easily verifiable. I have done that myself with several of them. If you are going to accuse the author, whom I have also interviewed, of being a Nazi, then you had better be prepared to defend that claim, because, in my opinion, the closest persona to being a Nazi of my acquaintance is you. So I challenge you to justify your claims about this book. Post the chapter to which you take such exception here or identify exactly what you claim has a Nazi-like aspect to it. I have read six or eight chapters of the book on my program, which can be found at the following link:

So I want you to be very specific about what you take to be evidence for your contention. My two-hour interview with Albert D. Pastore, Ph.D., a pseudonym, may be found archived here:

As he observes in his opening statement, “Every news story in this book is true and easily verified”. You claim, “It goes far beyond blaming Jews for 9/11, its take on history from 1915 - 1941 is straight Nazi.” This is reprehensible on your part. I challenge you to show that this book is not historically accurate. Your characterization is nasty, cheap and false.

Jim

I responded to your challenge “to show that this book is not historically accurate” and “defend [my] claim it is “Nazi-like”. I met your challenge but then you didn’t reply, Evan blocked the thread so I invited you to reply on this one but you still haven’t replied. This is a repeat of what occurred with your Apollo claims, you challenged Evan to refute them, he did and you copped out on refuting him. You said my claim the book’s “take on history from 1915 - 1941 is straight Nazi” was “reprehensible… nasty, cheap and false”, I showed that what I said about it was reasonable and accurate. I challenge you to show I was wrong. You said I was Nazi like, if you reviewed those chapters and saw nothing wrong with them, that characterization applies to you.

See my reply in post # 7 of this thread:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16296

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Terry is doing a good job of wiping the floor with you,

Only in a parallel universe

Even if chapters paralleled MEIN KAMPF, as you claim, that would show it was "Nazi" or whatever

only if it were false!Establishing that STRANGER THAN FICTION offers a similar account of the

origins of WWI and WWII to that found in Hitler's volume does not show either of them is false.

In other words you think Hitler's analysis might have been valid, not surprising.

You are going to have to do better than this, Len, for anyone to take you seriously. Tell me

which chapters bother you and I will reread them. But I am aware of no historical distortions.

Just how dense are you? 1) I gave you the link in the post you replied to here it is again.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16296 see post # 7

2) You indicated that you understood I was complaing about the chapters about "the

origins of WWI and WWII" then two sentence later ask me "which chapters bother[ed]" me.

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My point is not that Hitler's analysis of the origins of WWI and of WWII IS VALID, but that,

UNLESS IT IS NOT VALID, the fact that the chapters of STRANGER THAN FICTION parallel

it does not show that there is anything wrong with it. I would have thought a smart fellow like

you would understand that without throwing a hissy fit. But then I should have known better.

Are the chapters that bother you Chapters 3 and 4? Why would that not surprise me. They are

both rather short and no doubt sketchy, which of course allows greater latitude for you to be

hypercritical. Why don't you tell me exactly what Chapters 3 and 4 have to say that YOU, LEN

COLBY, FIND OBJECTIONABLE. That might be a giant step in the right direction. Many thanks!

Terry is doing a good job of wiping the floor with you,

Only in a parallel universe

Even if chapters paralleled MEIN KAMPF, as you claim, that would show it was "Nazi" or whatever

only if it were false!Establishing that STRANGER THAN FICTION offers a similar account of the

origins of WWI and WWII to that found in Hitler's volume does not show either of them is false.

In other words you think Hitler's analysis might have been valid, not surprising.

You are going to have to do better than this, Len, for anyone to take you seriously. Tell me

which chapters bother you and I will reread them. But I am aware of no historical distortions.

Just how dense are you? 1) I gave you the link in the post you replied to here it is again.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16296 see post # 7

2) You indicated that you understood I was complaing about the chapters about "the

origins of WWI and WWII" then two sentence later ask me "which chapters bother[ed]" me.

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EIR Blows Israeli Spies' Cover

in Sept. 11 Case

by Jeffrey Steinberg and Edward Spannaus

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2850megaspies_story.html

Years of tracking down an important set of drug-trafficking cases, led EIR investigators to what has now become a contender for the story of the new century: the investigation of connections between detained Israeli spies and the events of Sept. 11. The opening gun of this earth-shaking story, was EIR's own, Nov. 29, 2001 release, which was circulated to subscribers in the Dec. 4, 2001 Executive Alert Service.

Thus the events of Sept. 11 and the ongoing coup threat must be first understood from the standpoint of the interaction of these three elements: 1.)

More accusations backed by nothing but the sayso of the gurus disciples, only convincing for the true believers.

And a little closer to home I present Michael Edison. Mike is writer for the notorious "High Times" the front company to promote drugs, as well as editor in chief of Screw , the porn magazine owned by Al Goldman. He was also another manipulator of crazy rage ball GG Allin.

LOL Thanks for the laugh, your tendency to opine about which you know nothing is hilarious. Mike manipulate GG!? Then how do you explain GG not letting him into any of his later bands!? I guess like Mark Stapleton whenever you find out that someone you dont like has contact with a Jew you assume the latter controls the former. Mike was a studio drummer on 1 album and played a show two and thats it.

Them some Jews aint they?

Does any one still doubt that this loathsome woman is a bigot just like her guru?

Does any one still doubt that this loathsome woman is a bigot just like her guru?

This quote from your esteemed porn pusher buddy Al Goldman seems just a bit biggoted; against the human race. He doesnt distinquish between man and animal and neither do you. And that was the key to GG Allin. Anyone pushing that pornographic anarchist scum on young people has no "agape" love for human beings. Look at Frank's career and tell me it wasnt "naziesque". Heck, it's stamped all over his career.

QUOTE:

"The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don't believe in authoritarianism." Ford then asked, "What does it mean to you to be a Jew?" To which Goldstein responded, "It doesn't mean xxxx. It means that I'm called a kike." Ford also asked, "Do you believe in God?" Goldstein said, "I believe in me. I'm God. xxxx God. God is your need to believe in some super being. I am the super being. I am your God, admit it. We're random. We're the flea on the ass of the dog."[5]

And what was that opinion you expressed , oh yeah... Fetzer is creeping toward anti semitism, as a result of progessive anti Zionism".

Could you be a bigger flake? Now you're Carl Jung.

Frank still has you beat and always will. Nobody is going to pay you money for your brand of sophistry. Nor will you ever be considered an expert.

Personally I don't care if Fetzer is anti semite. With your definition of a jew, that could mean anyone.T herefore labeling someone an anti semite is meaningless.

Please tell me who is a jew

Moses

Moses Mendelssohn

Al Goldman

Frank Colby

Sir Evelyn Robert Adrian de Rothschild

Len Colby

I know the names I would eliminate from the list above.

PS- you're welcome for the laugh and here have another.

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EIR Blows Israeli Spies' Cover

in Sept. 11 Case

by Jeffrey Steinberg and Edward Spannaus

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2850megaspies_story.html

Years of tracking down an important set of drug-trafficking cases, led EIR investigators to what has now become a contender for the story of the new century: the investigation of connections between detained Israeli spies and the events of Sept. 11. The opening gun of this earth-shaking story, was EIR's own, Nov. 29, 2001 release, which was circulated to subscribers in the Dec. 4, 2001 Executive Alert Service.

Thus the events of Sept. 11 and the ongoing coup threat must be first understood from the standpoint of the interaction of these three elements: 1.)

More accusations backed by nothing but the sayso of the guru’s disciples, only convincing for the true believers.

And a little closer to home I present Michael Edison. Mike is writer for the notorious "High Times" the front company to promote drugs, as well as editor in chief of Screw , the porn magazine owned by Al Goldman. He was also another manipulator of crazy rage ball GG Allin.

LOL – Thanks for the laugh, your tendency to opine about which you know nothing is hilarious. Mike manipulate GG!? Then how do you explain GG not letting him into any of his later bands!? I guess like Mark Stapleton whenever you find out that someone you don’t like has contact with a Jew you assume the latter controls the former. Mike was a studio drummer on 1 album and played a show two and that’s it.

Them some Jews aint they?

Does any one still doubt that this loathsome woman is a bigot just like her guru?

Does any one still doubt that this loathsome woman is a bigot just like her guru?

This quote from your esteemed porn pusher buddy Al Goldman seems just a bit biggoted; against the human race. He doesnt distinquish between man and animal and neither do you. And that was the key to GG Allin. Anyone pushing that pornographic anarchist scum on young people has no "agape" love for human beings. Look at Frank's career and tell me it wasnt "naziesque". Heck, it's stamped all over his career.

QUOTE:

"The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don't believe in authoritarianism." Ford then asked, "What does it mean to you to be a Jew?" To which Goldstein responded, "It doesn't mean xxxx. It means that I'm called a kike." Ford also asked, "Do you believe in God?" Goldstein said, "I believe in me. I'm God. xxxx God. God is your need to believe in some super being. I am the super being. I am your God, admit it. We're random. We're the flea on the ass of the dog."[5]

And what was that opinion you expressed , oh yeah... Fetzer is creeping toward anti semitism, as a result of progessive anti Zionism".

Could you be a bigger flake? Now you're Carl Jung.

Frank still has you beat and always will. Nobody is going to pay you money for your brand of sophistry. Nor will you ever be considered an expert.

Personally I don't care if Fetzer is anti semite. With your definition of a jew, that could mean anyone.T herefore labeling someone an anti semite is meaningless.

Please tell me who is a jew

Moses

Moses Mendelssohn

Al Goldman

Frank Colby

Sir Evelyn Robert Adrian de Rothschild

Len Colby

I know the names I would eliminate from the list above.

PS- you're welcome for the laugh and here have another.

You so discredit yourself that no further reply is necessary.

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My point is not that Hitler's analysis of the origins of WWI and of WWII IS VALID, but that,

UNLESS IT IS NOT VALID, the fact that the chapters of STRANGER THAN FICTION parallel

it does not show that there is anything wrong with it. I would have thought a smart fellow like

you would understand that without throwing a hissy fit. But then I should have known better.

Are the chapters that bother you Chapters 3 and 4? Why would that not surprise me. They are

both rather short and no doubt sketchy, which of course allows greater latitude for you to be

hypercritical. Why don't you tell me exactly what Chapters 3 and 4 have to say that YOU, LEN

COLBY, FIND OBJECTIONABLE. That might be a giant step in the right direction. Many thanks!

??? Are you loosing your mind??? I've already provided the link for you 3 times. I'm using extra large type in the hope it will aid in you comprehesion. Look at post # 7 in the thread linked below:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16296

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EIR Blows Israeli Spies' Cover

in Sept. 11 Case

by Jeffrey Steinberg and Edward Spannaus

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2850megaspies_story.html

Years of tracking down an important set of drug-trafficking cases, led EIR investigators to what has now become a contender for the story of the new century: the investigation of connections between detained Israeli spies and the events of Sept. 11. The opening gun of this earth-shaking story, was EIR's own, Nov. 29, 2001 release, which was circulated to subscribers in the Dec. 4, 2001 Executive Alert Service.

Thus the events of Sept. 11 and the ongoing coup threat must be first understood from the standpoint of the interaction of these three elements: 1.)

More accusations backed by nothing but the sayso of the guru’s disciples, only convincing for the true believers.

And a little closer to home I present Michael Edison. Mike is writer for the notorious "High Times" the front company to promote drugs, as well as editor in chief of Screw , the porn magazine owned by Al Goldman. He was also another manipulator of crazy rage ball GG Allin.

LOL – Thanks for the laugh, your tendency to opine about which you know nothing is hilarious. Mike manipulate GG!? Then how do you explain GG not letting him into any of his later bands!? I guess like Mark Stapleton whenever you find out that someone you don’t like has contact with a Jew you assume the latter controls the former. Mike was a studio drummer on 1 album and played a show two and that’s it.

Them some Jews aint they?

Does any one still doubt that this loathsome woman is a bigot just like her guru?

Does any one still doubt that this loathsome woman is a bigot just like her guru?

This quote from your esteemed porn pusher buddy Al Goldman seems just a bit biggoted; against the human race. He doesnt distinquish between man and animal and neither do you. And that was the key to GG Allin. Anyone pushing that pornographic anarchist scum on young people has no "agape" love for human beings. Look at Frank's career and tell me it wasnt "naziesque". Heck, it's stamped all over his career.

QUOTE:

"The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don't believe in authoritarianism." Ford then asked, "What does it mean to you to be a Jew?" To which Goldstein responded, "It doesn't mean xxxx. It means that I'm called a kike." Ford also asked, "Do you believe in God?" Goldstein said, "I believe in me. I'm God. xxxx God. God is your need to believe in some super being. I am the super being. I am your God, admit it. We're random. We're the flea on the ass of the dog."[5]

And what was that opinion you expressed , oh yeah... Fetzer is creeping toward anti semitism, as a result of progessive anti Zionism".

Could you be a bigger flake? Now you're Carl Jung.

Frank still has you beat and always will. Nobody is going to pay you money for your brand of sophistry. Nor will you ever be considered an expert.

Personally I don't care if Fetzer is anti semite. With your definition of a jew, that could mean anyone.T herefore labeling someone an anti semite is meaningless.

Please tell me who is a jew

Moses

Moses Mendelssohn

Al Goldman

Frank Colby

Sir Evelyn Robert Adrian de Rothschild

Len Colby

I know the names I would eliminate from the list above.

PS- you're welcome for the laugh and here have another.

You so discredit yourself that no further reply is necessary.

Can't you return in a day or two with a new brief? :P

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His soul may be resting, but the middle finger of his right hand is in a jar at a museum in Firenze,Italy (Florence). Weird, but true....

Barb :-)

And the significance of the middle finger is.............?

I guess one would have to know what Anton Francesco Gori was thinking when he removed the middle finger from Galileo's long dead body on 12 March 1737. Might be an interesting question ....

Barb :-)

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His soul may be resting, but the middle finger of his right hand is in a jar at a museum in Firenze,Italy (Florence). Weird, but true....

Barb :-)

http://catalogue.museogalileo.it/object/MiddleFingerGalileosRightHand.html

Hi Michael,

Yes ... that is, indeed, it. I thought my son had fallen prey to some urban legend when he came home from school in the Spring of 2001 and told me he wanted to see Galileo's finger in a jar when we were in Italy that summer. I checked it out ... and sure enough! Funny, at the museum, it was not listed in their brochure, no picture taking was allowed, and there were no pics/postcards of it for sale. Looks like it is in the catalogue now.

Here is a link to a bigger, closer pic ... and one with the top of the glass dome/bell jar removed. Gnarly ... but all things considered, it doesn't look that bad.<g>

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/finger.html

Bests,

Barb :-)

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Of course not. I was referring to Galileo, who took up where Copernicus left off in opposing the

Vatican's flat earth and geocentric universe. Columbus had nothing to do with it. He was looking

for easy access to the riches of the Orient. Columbus was not a scientist. Galileo was.

Jack

Indeed, Galileo is my hero. His crime was looking up for truth. "I call on the resting soul of Galileo, King of Night Vision, King of Insight..."

His soul may be resting, but the middle finger of his right hand is in a jar at a museum in Firenze,Italy (Florence). Weird, but true....

Barb :-)

And the significance of the middle finger is.............?

Apparently due to the economic down turn the museum has hit hard times and is now auctioning off the finger to pay for its operational expenses. Bids are now past $ 5000. I suggest we all chip in so that we can give Jack the finger!:)

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http://cgi.ebay.com/Galileos-Finger-Ten-Great-Ideas-Science-Peter-/400136260615?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item5d29facc07

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My point is not that Hitler's analysis of the origins of WWI and of WWII IS VALID, but that,

UNLESS IT IS NOT VALID, the fact that the chapters of STRANGER THAN FICTION parallel

it does not show that there is anything wrong with it. I would have thought a smart fellow like

you would understand that without throwing a hissy fit. But then I should have known better.

Are the chapters that bother you Chapters 3 and 4? Why would that not surprise me. They are

both rather short and no doubt sketchy, which of course allows greater latitude for you to be

hypercritical. Why don't you tell me exactly what Chapters 3 and 4 have to say that YOU, LEN

COLBY, FIND OBJECTIONABLE. That might be a giant step in the right direction. Many thanks!

??? Are you loosing your mind??? I've already provided the link for you 3 times. I'm using extra large type in the hope it will aid in you comprehesion. Look at post # 7 in the thread linked below:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16296

Though you've posted several times since I posted this you haven't replied, why am I not surprised?

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NOTE: I have added the two graphics that came with the article, which appeared on

an influential international web site. Those who have not dealt with these issues may

not be aware of the commonality of political art as a feature of studies of these issues.

The distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism is far more familiar to the rest

of the world than within the United States. There is widespread contempt for Zionism.

ISRAELI WAR CRIMES: FROM THE USS LIBERTY TO THE HUMANITARIAN FLOTILLA

When is Lifton going to cease his misconceived ad hominem attack and deal with the

real issues, which concern the history of Zionism and a host of "false flag" attacks by

the State of Isreal as well as other war crimes, documented here by James Petras?

Anyone who read my articles, "9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda" or "Is 9/11 research

'anti-Semitic'?" would know that, based upon my research, the primary perpetrators

of 9/11 were US Neo-Cons, many of whom have joint US-Israeli citizenship. I have

long admired Israel, but the evidence of Israeli complicity in the events of 9/11 is

massive and compelling. Lifton would rather talk about a video I did not make than

confront the evidence. That is the sign of a zealot, not a serious student of 9/11. I

ask him to step back and regain composure. He is making a complete fool of himself.

James Petrus, "Israeli War Crimes: From the U.S. Liberty to the Humanitarian Flotilla", http://www.voltairenet.org/article165694.html

Israeli War Crimes: From the U.S. Liberty to the Humanitarian Flotilla

by James Petras*

It is unthinkable that Israel’s premeditated deadly assault on the humanitarian flotilla could have gone ahead without a nod from Washington. James Petras lambastes Barack Obama and the U.S. Government for their refusal to condemn Israel and their outrageous political cover-up of a deliberate criminal act. In the face of such State complicity, the only way to put pressure on Israel is for civil society to sustain the world-wide boycott, disinvestment and sanctions campaign (BDS) against all Israeli products, cultural activities and professional exchanges.

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5 June 2010

Introduction: Israel Crimes on the High Seas

On June 8, 1967, two squadrons of Israeli warplanes bombed, napalmed and machine-gunned the US intelligence-gathering ship, USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 US sailors and wounding another 172. The assault took place on a sunny afternoon, with the US flag and identifying markers clearly visible. The Israelis targeted the antennae to prevent the crew from broadcasting for help and shot up the lifeboats to ensure no survivors. There were, however, survivors who rigged up an antenna and radioed their distress, a call for help that reached Washington D.C. In an unprecedented act of betrayal, President Johnson, in close liaison with powerful American Jewish Zionist political backers, covered up the mass murder on the high seas by issuing orders first to recall Mediterranean-based warplanes from rushing to assist their besieged comrades, then threatening to court-martial the survivors who might expose the deliberate nature of the Israeli assault and finally by repeating the Israeli line that the attack was a matter of mistaken identity, a lie which numerous military leaders later rejected.

Almost to the day, 43 years later, on May 31, 2010, Israeli warships, helicopter gun ships and commandos assaulted a convoy of humanitarian ships carrying ten thousand tons of aid to Gaza in international waters. Prior to the aid mission Turkish authorities had examined the passengers and the ship to ensure no weapons were on board. The Israelis never the less came on board shooting and clubbing the unarmed passengers, killing up to19 and wounding dozens. Despite subsequent Israeli and Zionist claims to the contrary no weapons were found, apart from sticks used by some of the victims attempting to fend off the murderous premeditated assault planned, directed and defended by top Israeli leaders and the entire leadership of the major Zionist organizations in the US and elsewhere. The invading Israeli storm troopers systematically destroyed all cameras, videos and tape recorders that had documented their savage assault, in order to subsequently spread their brazen lies about their being subject to armed resistance.

The World Response

Within hours of Israel’s bloody act of piracy, nations, political leaders, human rights organizations and the vast majority of the international community condemned the Israeli state for its violation of international law. Turkey, Spain, Greece, Denmark and Austria summoned their Israeli Ambassadors to protest the deadly assault. The Financial Times, (June 1, 2010) referred to the Israeli assault as a “brazen act of piracy … hurtling into lawlessness” rooted in its “illegal blockage of Gaza”. Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Erdogan called the Israeli assault an act of “state terrorism” which would have “serious consequences”. Israel’s attacks on ships flying Turkish, Greek and Irish flags on the high seas were described by legal experts as an “act of war”. The UN Security Council, NATO and the Secretary General of the UN demanded Israel cease its aggression, while tens of thousands of demonstrators marched denouncing Israel’s blatant act of state murder and wounding of pacifists, humanitarians and protestors from 60 countries. UN experts demanded that Israeli leaders “must be held criminally responsible”. Only the Obama regime refused to condemn the Israeli act of state terror, merely expressing “concern and regret”. The Israeli state defended its murderous assault, promised more in the future and insisted on maintaining its blockade of Gaza, even after the US suggested it might be loosened.

The Israeli Defense of Piracy and State Terror

As news of the Israeli massacre slipped out and the international community reacted with horror and anger, the Israeli government “sought to flood the airwaves with their versions of events … more importantly, the authorities ensured that their narrative gained early dominance by largely silencing the hundreds of activists who were on board during the attack” (Financial Times, June 2, 2010, p2.). The Jewish state held all the prisoners alive, wounded and dead incommunicado, seized their mobile phones and prohibited any interviews, barring all journalists. Like most terrorist states, the Jewish state wanted to monopolize the propaganda media. The Israeli propaganda machine via its state sponsored journalists and news media employed several ploys typical of totalitarian regimes.

- 1. Israeli storm troopers invading the ship were turned into victims and the humanitarian pacifists were turned into aggressors. “Israeli Soldiers Met by Well-Planned Lynch Mob” (Jerusalem Post, March 31, 2010); “Israeli Soldiers Attacked” (IDF, March 31, 2010).

- 2. Israel’s act of piracy in international waters was declared legal by a Professor Sabel of the Hebrew University.

- 3. The humanitarian organizers were accused of having ties to terrorists according to Deputy Foreign Minister Ayalon, though no evidence was presented (Ha’aretz, May 30, 2010). The organizers including the Turkish human rights group accused by Ayalon were cleared by the Turkish intelligence agency, the military and the Erdogan government, a member of NATO and for many years (in the past) a collaborator with the Israeli Mossad. The other 600 plus human rights volunteers, included pacifists, parliamentarians, former diplomats, as well as current members of the Israeli parliament.

- 4. While dozens of human rights people were shot, killed and maimed, Israeli propagandists doctored video releases portraying one of the Israeli assailants on the deck, cutting out the preceding sequence of attack (Financial Times, June 2, 2010, p. 2).

- 5. The Israeli sea and airborne assailants were described as the victims of a “Brutal Ambush at Sea” (Ynet News, June 1, 2010).

- 6. The terrorized human rights workers were accused of being a “lynch mob”, attacking the Jewish commandos who were firing automatic rifles wildly across the deck and at cornered victims. The few courageous individuals who fought back to stop the murderous attack were slandered by the Zion-prop, which itself is as monstrous as the crimes they perpetrated.

Once the Israeli propaganda machine started spewing out its gutter lies, the entire leadership of the Zionist Fifth column swung into action … first and foremost in the United States.

The US Zionist Power Configuration: In Defense of the Massacre

Just as the entire leadership of the 51 principle American Jewish organizations defended every Israeli war crime in the past, from the bombing of the US Liberty, to the Occupation of the West Bank and the blockade of Gaza so too did these most honorable apologists repeat verbatim the lies of the Israeli state regarding the assault of the humanitarian flotilla.

The Daily Alert (May 31 – June 2, 2010), the official public propaganda organ of the Presidents of the Major American Jewish Organizations, published every scurrilous Israeli state lie, about the Israeli commandos being ‘lynched’, ‘attacked’ and the human rights victims being responsible for the death of their comrades … at the hands of Israeli commandos. Not a single deviation, not a single word of criticism. Not even a single mention of even the superficial Israeli critics who faulted the execution, the use of deadly weapons, the assault in international waters, and the public relations fiasco.

The vast majority of Israeli Jews and organized Zionists in the US supported the bloody massacre and were opposed by a small minority who has no access to the mass media. Zionist control over the mass media was once again demonstrated by the reporting through “Israel’s eyes” (FAIR, June 1, 2010). Essentially the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, CBS, NBC presented the Israeli commandos attacking the humanitarian boat as being … “assaulted and beaten” (Washington Post, June 1, 2010). The New York Times gave credence to the Israeli claim that its act of piracy on the high seas was legal (NY Times, June 1, 2010). For the US mass media the problem is not Israeli state terror, but how to manipulate and disarm the outrage of the international community. To that end the entire Zionist Power configuration has a reliable ally in the Zionized Obama White House and US Congress.

The Obama Response to Israeli State Terror

There is only one basic reason why Israel repeatedly commits crimes against humanity, including the latest assault on the humanitarian flotilla: because it knows that the Zionist Power Configuration, embedded in the US power structure, will ensure government support, in this case the Obama White House.

In the face of the world-wide condemnation of Israel’s crime on the high seas, and calls from the international community for legal action, the Obama regime absolutely refused to criticize Israel. A White House spokesman said “The United States deeply regrets the loss of life and injuries sustained and is currently working to understand the circumstances surrounding the tragedy” (AFP May 31, 2010). An act of state terrorism does not evoke “regrets” – it normally provokes condemnation and punishment. The power which caused “loss of life and injuries” has a name – Israel; the persons who suffered death and injuries during the Israeli assault – have a name – humanitarian volunteers. It was not simply a “loss of life” but a well planned premeditated murder which is openly defended by Prime Minister Netanyahu and his entire Cabinet. The “circumstances” of the murders are clear: Israel assaulted an unarmed ship in international waters, opening fire as they boarded the ship. The Obama regime’s obscene political cover-up of a deliberate criminal act in violation of international law is evident in his description of a serial homicide as a ‘tragedy’. Premeditated state terror has no resemblance to a tragic noble ruler forced by circumstances into a criminal act against their closest allies.

Washington, pressed to participate at a UN Security Council meeting, spent 10 hours eliminating all references to Israel’s illegal criminal act, ending in a resolution which merely calls for an “impartial” investigation, with Washington pushing for an Israeli investigatory committee. To the world at large, including the Turkish government, the Obama regime and the US government, by refusing to condemn Israel, are “accomplices to a mass murder”.

To understand why the Obama regime brought shame and infamy to itself in the eyes of the world, one need look at the Zionist composition of the Obama White House and, equally important, the direct power and access that the principle Jewish-Zionist organizations have over the US political system. In the week preceding Israel’s announced assault on the humanitarian flotilla, (pro-Israel) Jewish leaders met with over a third of US senators to pressure them to pass harsher sanctions on Iran by June. Among the key operatives attending were the Jewish Federation of North America, AIPAC and the rest of the Israeli Fifth Column (Jewish Telegraph Agency, May 26, 2010). The following day a squadron of leaders from the Jewish Federations flew into Washington to meet with top Obama administration officials, to ensure that the White House and Congress did not in any way or form publicly express any criticism of Israel’s settlement policy. No doubt the Zionist apologists for Israeli war crimes extended their agenda to include no public criticism of the Israeli assault on the flotilla. Rahm Emmanuel, top US Presidential aide, was in Tel Aviv as a guest of top officials of the Israel Defense Force a few days before the IDF launched the assault, no doubt having filled Rahm in on the details. The Israeli-American aide to Obama no doubt assured the war criminals of Washington’s unconditional political and military support for Israel’s acts of aggression.

From within the Obama Administration and without, the aggressive pressure from the 51 principle organizations of the American Zionists have guaranteed Israeli war criminals immunity from any War Crimes Tribunal, or even serious political condemnation by the UN Security Council. The Zionized White House’s tactic is to deflect attention from immediate consequential condemnation let alone sanctions, hoping that over time, aided by the blanket mass media apology in the US, the mass indignation and protest overseas will gradually wither away. Obama and his Zionist cohort are already in a belly crawl mode with Israel. Part of Rahm’s mission to Israel was to hand Netanyahu an invitation to the White House, during the week of the slaughter at sea. The only reason Netanyahu did not come to Washington was because he rushed back to Israel to buttress the Foreign Office’s defense of the slaughter in the face of world-wide outrage. But in a phone conversation, Obama promised Netanyahu a prompt new invitation – assuring the Jewish statesman that violating international laws and bloodying dozens of humanitarian activists is of no consequence, especially since it insures continued financial support by Obama’s Zionist backers.

Like Lyndon Johnson with the cover-up of the USS Liberty, Obama’s apology of Israel’s war crimes, is the price for ensuring the backing of billionaire Zionist financiers and media moguls, the tens of thousands of pro-Israel Jews and the 51 President of the Major American Jewish Organizations.

In the face of Washington’s complicity with Israeli war crimes, the only road is to intensify the world-wide boycott, disinvestment and sanctions campaign against all Israeli products, cultural activities and professional exchanges.

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Hopefully, the Islamic led mass protests will find echo in the wider anti-Zionist Christian and Jewish communities – especially, when Israeli apologists for state terror make public appearances. Even more important each and every Israeli involved in the mass assault should be subject to criminal prosecution wherever they visit. Only by making the Israelis understand that they will pay a high price for their serial homicides and violations of international law will reason possibly enter their political narrative. Only by moving beyond symbolic protests, like recalling diplomats, and taking substantive actions, like breaking relations, will the international community isolate the perpetrator of state terrorism.

All Americans should send loud and clear to President Obama –NEVER AGAIN. Otherwise, with the Zionist Power Configuration active 7/24, the Obama regime, true to the Zionist agenda, will once again focus attention on attacking Iran. Israel’s action today with US complicity is a prelude of the kind of deadly force it has in store for sabotaging the recent Turkey-Brazil-Iran diplomatic agreement.

This is dedicated to the brave Turkish martyrs on the Mavi Marmara, May 31, 2010, and to the 34 murdered American sailors on the USS Liberty, June 8, 1967 – all victims of an unrepentant criminal state - Israel.

James Petras

James Petras is a Bartle Professor (Emeritus) of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York. He is the author of 64 books translated in 29 languages and has published over 2000 articles. His most recent book: Global Depression and Regional Wars, Clarity Press (2009).

Great god, what a nutcase.

That was obviously a mistake, just as when soldiers are killed by friendly fire. Israel paid over three million dollars to the families of the American men who died in that attack.

Why would Israel deliberately attack their greatest ally and supporter? That would be suicidal.

I keep thinking that someday you will write something that makes a tiny bit of sense, but I guess I need to be a lot more patient.

Robert Harris

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