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Morgan is considered a British company by many.

What an absurdly meaningless comment (offered without any supporting evidence). Just about anything can be justified by saying it is “considered by many” to be true. Many people think eating someone else’s feces is a sexual thrill* they might well outnumber the people who believe Morgan is British especially if you don’t count the Larrouchites who blindly accept whatever their messiah tells them. Still waiting for any evidence that the company is “British”

* http://www.iamindepression.com/sexual-disorders/coprophilia.htm

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John Douglas Forbes

LEN this 100 year old guy is in the phone book in Virginia. Why not give him a call ,but please stop the feces/sexual thrill talk. sg

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Morgan is considered a British company by many.

What an absurdly meaningless comment (offered without any supporting evidence). Just about anything can be justified by saying it is “considered by many” to be true. Many people think eating someone else’s feces is a sexual thrill* they might well outnumber the people who believe Morgan is British especially if you don’t count the Larrouchites who blindly accept whatever their messiah tells them. Still waiting for any evidence that the company is “British”

* http://www.iamindepression.com/sexual-disorders/coprophilia.htm

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John Douglas Forbes

LEN this 100 year old guy is in the phone book in Virginia. Why not give him a call ,

You're the one making the claim why don't YOU give him a call? You alreay have his phone number. All that you have from him is a supposed quote from him devoid of any larger context.

J.P. Morgan, Jr., became a partner in the London house of J.S. Morgan & Co. on January 1,1898, and a fortnight later, with his wife Jessie and their three children, [...] he left New York and took up residence in England for the next eight years.

Morgan was sent to London to do two specific things. The first was to learn at first hand how the British carried on a banking business under a central banking system dominated by the Bank of England. Morgan, Sr., anticipated the establishment of the Federal Reserve System in the United States and wanted someone who would eventually have authority in the Morgan firms to know how such a system worked. The second was quietly to look about the City and select British partners to convert the elder Morgan's privately owned J.S. Morgan & Co. into a British concern.

The facts remain that J.P. Morgan Jr. was at least a 3rd generation American. J.S. Morgan his grandfather was born in MA. as was George Peabody J.S.'s partner. J.P. Jr. running the London office for 8 years over a century ago does not in anyway make the firm British. You still haven't shown anyone who isn't Larrouchite beleves it is.

but please stop the feces/sexual thrill talk. sg

Y?

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Morgan is considered a British company by many.

What an absurdly meaningless comment (offered without any supporting evidence). Just about anything can be justified by saying it is “considered by many” to be true. Many people think eating someone else’s feces is a sexual thrill* they might well outnumber the people who believe Morgan is British especially if you don’t count the Larrouchites who blindly accept whatever their messiah tells them. Still waiting for any evidence that the company is “British”

* http://www.iamindepression.com/sexual-disorders/coprophilia.htm

Many people think eating someone else’s feces is a sexual thrill*

Like Len Colby, GG Allin and the Murder Junkies.

No just GG and it did not seem to have been a sexual thing for him. Still waiting for you or Steve to produce evidence JP Morgan-Chase is a British firm.

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Morgan is considered a British company by many.

What an absurdly meaningless comment (offered without any supporting evidence). Just about anything can be justified by saying it is “considered by many” to be true. Many people think eating someone else’s feces is a sexual thrill* they might well outnumber the people who believe Morgan is British especially if you don’t count the Larrouchites who blindly accept whatever their messiah tells them. Still waiting for any evidence that the company is “British”

* http://www.iamindepression.com/sexual-disorders/coprophilia.htm

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http://www.truthcontrol.com/node/jp-morgan-jr:

http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=141404064432695&ShowArticle_ID=11801904103927332

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1591086.J_P_Morgan_Jr_1867_1943

John Douglas Forbes

LEN this 100 year old guy is in the phone book in Virginia. Why not give him a call ,

You're the one making the claim why don't YOU give him a call? You alreay have his phone number. All that you have from him is a supposed quote from him devoid of any larger context.

J.P. Morgan, Jr., became a partner in the London house of J.S. Morgan & Co. on January 1,1898, and a fortnight later, with his wife Jessie and their three children, [...] he left New York and took up residence in England for the next eight years.

Morgan was sent to London to do two specific things. The first was to learn at first hand how the British carried on a banking business under a central banking system dominated by the Bank of England. Morgan, Sr., anticipated the establishment of the Federal Reserve System in the United States and wanted someone who would eventually have authority in the Morgan firms to know how such a system worked. The second was quietly to look about the City and select British partners to convert the elder Morgan's privately owned J.S. Morgan & Co. into a British concern.

The facts remain that J.P. Morgan Jr. was at least a 3rd generation American. J.S. Morgan his grandfather was born in MA. as was George Peabody J.S.'s partner. J.P. Jr. running the London office for 8 years over a century ago does not in anyway make the firm British. You still haven't shown anyone who isn't Larrouchite beleves it is.

but please stop the feces/sexual thrill talk. sg

Y?

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The facts remain that J.P. Morgan Jr. was at least a 3rd generation American. J.S. Morgan his grandfather was born in MA. as was George Peabody J.S.'s partner. J.P. Jr. running the London office for 8 years over a century ago does not in anyway make the firm British. You still haven't shown anyone who isn't Larrouchite beleves it is.

Steve never made such a stupid comment. When or where did Steve make this claim?

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You still haven't shown anyone who isn't Larrouchite beleves it is.

Talk about a meaningless comment. Besides Steve just provided you with a lead to follow up and you're just too damn lazy to do any work that doesnt involve google and/or gossip.

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Morgan is considered a British company by many.

What an absurdly meaningless comment (offered without any supporting evidence). Just about anything can be justified by saying it is “considered by many” to be true. Many people think eating someone else’s feces is a sexual thrill* they might well outnumber the people who believe Morgan is British especially if you don’t count the Larrouchites who blindly accept whatever their messiah tells them. Still waiting for any evidence that the company is “British”

* http://www.iamindepression.com/sexual-disorders/coprophilia.htm

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http://www.truthcontrol.com/node/jp-morgan-jr:

http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=141404064432695&ShowArticle_ID=11801904103927332

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1591086.J_P_Morgan_Jr_1867_1943

John Douglas Forbes

LEN this 100 year old guy is in the phone book in Virginia. Why not give him a call ,

You're the one making the claim why don't YOU give him a call? You alreay have his phone number. All that you have from him is a supposed quote from him devoid of any larger context.

J.P. Morgan, Jr., became a partner in the London house of J.S. Morgan & Co. on January 1,1898, and a fortnight later, with his wife Jessie and their three children, [...] he left New York and took up residence in England for the next eight years.

Morgan was sent to London to do two specific things. The first was to learn at first hand how the British carried on a banking business under a central banking system dominated by the Bank of England. Morgan, Sr., anticipated the establishment of the Federal Reserve System in the United States and wanted someone who would eventually have authority in the Morgan firms to know how such a system worked. The second was quietly to look about the City and select British partners to convert the elder Morgan's privately owned J.S. Morgan & Co. into a British concern.

The facts remain that J.P. Morgan Jr. was at least a 3rd generation American. J.S. Morgan his grandfather was born in MA. as was George Peabody J.S.'s partner. J.P. Jr. running the London office for 8 years over a century ago does not in anyway make the firm British. You still haven't shown anyone who isn't Larrouchite beleves it is.

but please stop the feces/sexual thrill talk. sg

Y?

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The facts remain that J.P. Morgan Jr. was at least a 3rd generation American. J.S. Morgan his grandfather was born in MA. as was George Peabody J.S.'s partner. J.P. Jr. running the London office for 8 years over a century ago does not in anyway make the firm British. You still haven't shown anyone who isn't Larrouchite beleves it is.

Steve never made such a stupid comment. When or where did Steve make this claim?

LEN: He claimed that "Morgan is considered a British company by many." as if to justify the belief it was. When asked to substantiate his claim he provided 3 links. I quoted the only relevant passage from those links. Not even his source says that he or others considered the firm British only that the founder's grandson (and eventual chairman) ran the London office for a few years a very long time ago. So essentially he made such a claim.

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You still haven't shown anyone who isn't Larrouchite beleves it is.

Talk about a meaningless comment. Besides Steve just provided you with a lead to follow up and you're just too damn lazy to do any work that doesnt involve google and/or gossip.

LEN: If you had actually taken a look at his links you'd see that his "leads" were worthless. Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems Morgan being part of the evil British conspiracy is part or your prophet's belief system. Point me to someone (other than Steve) who doesn't belong to your cult who believes the company is British.

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Morgan is considered a British company by many.

What an absurdly meaningless comment (offered without any supporting evidence). Just about anything can be justified by saying it is “considered by many” to be true. Many people think eating someone else’s feces is a sexual thrill* they might well outnumber the people who believe Morgan is British especially if you don’t count the Larrouchites who blindly accept whatever their messiah tells them. Still waiting for any evidence that the company is “British”

* http://www.iamindepression.com/sexual-disorders/coprophilia.htm

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http://www.truthcontrol.com/node/jp-morgan-jr:

http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=141404064432695&ShowArticle_ID=11801904103927332

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1591086.J_P_Morgan_Jr_1867_1943

John Douglas Forbes

LEN this 100 year old guy is in the phone book in Virginia. Why not give him a call ,

You're the one making the claim why don't YOU give him a call? You alreay have his phone number. All that you have from him is a supposed quote from him devoid of any larger context.

J.P. Morgan, Jr., became a partner in the London house of J.S. Morgan & Co. on January 1,1898, and a fortnight later, with his wife Jessie and their three children, [...] he left New York and took up residence in England for the next eight years.

Morgan was sent to London to do two specific things. The first was to learn at first hand how the British carried on a banking business under a central banking system dominated by the Bank of England. Morgan, Sr., anticipated the establishment of the Federal Reserve System in the United States and wanted someone who would eventually have authority in the Morgan firms to know how such a system worked. The second was quietly to look about the City and select British partners to convert the elder Morgan's privately owned J.S. Morgan & Co. into a British concern.

The facts remain that J.P. Morgan Jr. was at least a 3rd generation American. J.S. Morgan his grandfather was born in MA. as was George Peabody J.S.'s partner. J.P. Jr. running the London office for 8 years over a century ago does not in anyway make the firm British. You still haven't shown anyone who isn't Larrouchite beleves it is.

but please stop the feces/sexual thrill talk. sg

Y?

Quote:

The facts remain that J.P. Morgan Jr. was at least a 3rd generation American. J.S. Morgan his grandfather was born in MA. as was George Peabody J.S.'s partner. J.P. Jr. running the London office for 8 years over a century ago does not in anyway make the firm British. You still haven't shown anyone who isn't Larrouchite beleves it is.

Steve never made such a stupid comment. When or where did Steve make this claim?

LEN: He claimed that "Morgan is considered a British company by many." as if to justify the belief it was. When asked to substantiate his claim he provided 3 links. I quoted the only relevant passage from those links. Not even his source says that he or others considered the firm British only that the founder's grandson (and eventual chairman) ran the London office for a few years a very long time ago. So essentially he made such a claim.

Quote:

You still haven't shown anyone who isn't Larrouchite beleves it is.

Talk about a meaningless comment. Besides Steve just provided you with a lead to follow up and you're just too damn lazy to do any work that doesnt involve google and/or gossip.

LEN: If you had actually taken a look at his links you'd see that his "leads" were worthless. Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems Morgan being part of the evil British conspiracy is part or your prophet's belief system. Point me to someone (other than Steve) who doesn't belong to your cult who believes the company is British.

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Dr. Carrol Quigley refers to this group as "The British-American Secret Society" in Tragedy and Hope, stating that "The chief backbone of this organization grew up along the already existing financial cooperation running from the Morgan Bank in New York to a group of international financiers in London led by Lazard Brothers (in 1901)." Dr. Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, Macmillan Co., N.Y.

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To understand why these firms operate as they do, it is necessary to give a brief history of their origins. Few Americans know that J.P. Morgan Company began as George Peabody and Company. George Peabody (1795-1869), born at South Danvers, Massachusetts, began business in Georgetown, D.C. in 1814 as Peabody, Riggs and Company, dealing in wholesale dry goods, and in operating the Georgetown Slave Market. In 1815, to be closer to their source of supply, they moved to Baltimore, where they operated as Peabody and Riggs, from 1815 to 1835. Peabody found himself increasingly involved with business originating from London, and in 1835, he established the firm of George Peabody and Company in London. He had excellent entree in London business through another Baltimore firm established in Liverpool, the Brown Brothers. Alexander Brown came to Baltimore in 1801, and established what is now known as the oldest banking house in the United States, still operating as Brown Brothers Harriman of New York; Brown, Shipley and Company of England; and Alex Brown and Son of Baltimore. The behind the scenes power wielded by this firm is indicated by the fact that Sir Montagu Norman, Governor of the Bank of England for many years, was a partner of Brown, Shipley and Company.* Considered the single most influential banker in the world, Sir Montagu Norman was organizer of "informal talks" between heads of central banks in 1927, which led directly to the Great Stockmarket Crash of 1929.

Soon after he arrived in London, George Peabody was surprised to be summoned to an audience with the gruff Baron Nathan Mayer Rothschild. Without mincing words, Rothschild revealed to Peabody, that much of the London aristocracy openly disliked Rothschild and refused his invitations. He proposed that Peabody, a man of modest means, be established as a lavish host whose entertainments would soon be the talk of London. Rothschild would, of course, pay all the bills. Peabody accepted the offer, and soon became known as the most popular host in London. His annual Fourth of July dinner, celebrating American Independence, became extremely popular with the English aristocracy, many of whom, while drinking Peabody's wine, regaled each other with jokes about Rothschild's crudities and bad manners, without realizing that every drop they drank had been paid for by Rothschild.

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* "There is an informal understanding that a director of Brown, Shipley should be on the Board of the Bank of England, and Norman was elected to it in 1907." Montagu Norman, Current Biography, 1940.

It is hardly surprising that the most popular host in London would also become a very successful businessman, particularly with the House of Rothschild supporting him behind the scenes. Peabody often operated with a capital of 500,000 pounds on hand, and became very astute in his buying and selling on both sides of the Atlantic. His American agent was the Boston firm of Beebe, Morgan and Company, headed by Junius S. Morgan, father of John Pierpont Morgan. Peabody, who never married, had no one to succeed him, and he was very favorably impressed by the tall, handsome Junius Morgan. He persuaded Morgan to join him in London as a partner in George Peabody and Company in 1854. In 1860, John Pierpont Morgan had been taken on as an apprentice by the firm of Duncan, Sherman in New York. He was not very attentive to business, and in 1864, Morgan's father was outraged when Duncan, Sherman refused to make his son a partner. He promptly extended an arrangement whereby one of the chief employees of Duncan, Sherman, Charles H. Dabney, was persuaded to join John Pierpont Morgan in a new firm, Dabney, Morgan and Company. Bankers Magazine, December, 1864, noted that Peabody had withdrawn his account from Duncan, Sherman, and that other firms were expected to do so. The Peabody account, of course, went to Dabney, Morgan Company.

John Pierpont Morgan was born in 1837, during the first money panic in the United States. Significantly, it had been caused by the House of Rothschild, with whom Morgan was later to become associated.

In 1836, President Andrew Jackson, infuriated by the tactics of the bankers who were attempting to persuade him to renew the charter of the Second Bank of the United States, said, "You are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning."

Although Nicholas Biddle was President of the Bank of the United States, it was well known that Baron James de Rothschild of Paris was the principal investor in this central bank. Although Jackson had vetoed the renewal of the charter of the Bank of the United States, he probably was unaware that a few months earlier, in 1835, the House of Rothschild had cemented a relationship with the United States Government by superseding the firm of Baring as financial agent of the Department of State on January 1, 1835.

Henry Clews, the famous banker, in his book, Twenty-eight Years in Wall Street33, states that the Panic of 1837 was engineered because the charter of the Second Bank of the United States had run out in 1836. Not only did President Jackson promptly withdraw government funds

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investors who were anxious to invest the profits of a developing America. It was time to fleece them again. The

in the recharging of the reserve originated with the London branch of the House of Rothschild,

Belmont's employers.

Wheeler goes on to explain that a considerable anti-Rothschild movement had developed in Europe and the United States which focused on the banking activities of the Rothschild family. Even though they had a registered agent in the United States, August Schoenberg, who had changed his name to Belmont when he came to the United States as the representative of the Rothschilds in 1837, it was extremely advantageous to them to have an American representative who was not known as a Rothschild agent.

Although the London house of Junius S. Morgan and Company continued to be the dominant branch of the Morgan enterprises, with the death of the senior Morgan in 1890 in a carriage accident on the Riviera, John Pierpont Morgan became the head of the firm. After operating as the American representative of the London firm from 1864-1871 as Dabney Morgan Company, Morgan took on a new partner in 1871, Anthony Drexel of Philadelphia and operated as Drexel Morgan and Company until 1895. Drexel died in that year, and Morgan changed the name of the American branch to J.P. Morgan and Company.

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41 William Guy Carr, Pawns In The Game, privately printed, 1956, pg. 60

* July 30, 1930 McFadden Basis of Control of Economic Conditions. This control of the worldNew York.

George F. Peabody History of the Great American Fortunes, Gustavus Myers, Mod. Lib. 537, notes that J.P. Morgan's father, Junius S. Morgan, had become a partner of George Peabody in the banking business. "When the Civil War came on, George Peabody and Company were appointed the financial representatives in England of the U.S. Government.... with this appointment their wealth suddenly began to pile up; where hitherto they had amassed the riches by stages not remarkably rapid, they now added many millions within a very few years." According to writers of the day, the methods of George Peabody & Company were not only unreasonable but double treason, in that, while in the act of giving inside aid to the enemy, George Peabody & Company were the potentiaries of the U.S. Government and were being well paid to advance its interests. "Springfield Republic", 1866: "For all who know anything on the subject know very well that Peabody and his partners gave us no faith and no help in our struggle for national existence. They participated to the fullest in the common English distrust of our cause and our success, and talked and acted for the South rather than for our nation. No individuals contributed so much to flooding our money markets and weakening financial confidence in our nationality than George Peabody & Company, and none made more money by the operation. All the money that Mr. Peabody is giving away so lavishly among our institutions of learning was gained by the speculations of his house in our misfortunes." Also, New York Times, Oct. 31, 1866: Reconstruction Carpetbaggers Money Fund. Lightning over the Treasury Building, John Elson, Meador Publishing Co., Boston 41, pg. 53, "The Bank of England with its subsidiary banks in America (under the domination of J.P. Morgan) the Bank of France, and the Reichsbank of Germany, composed an interlocking and cooperative banking system, the main objective of which was the exploitation of the people."

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strength that no cunning or force can undermine it. He went on to outline twenty-five points. Number 8 dealt with the use Rothschilds writes:

"For the last one hundred and fifty years the history of the House of Rothschild has been to an amazing extent the backstage history of Western Europe." (Preface)... Because of their success in making loans not to individuals, but to nations, they reaped huge profits, although as Morton writes, p. 36, "Someone once said that the wealthexploit, Nathan Mayer Rothschild gained control of the Bank of England through his near monopoly of "Consols" and other shares. Several "central" banks, or banks which had the power to issue currency, had been started in Europe: The Bank of Sweden, in 1656, which began to issue notes in 1661, the earliest being the Bank of Amsterdam, which financed Oliver Cromwell's seizure of power in England in 1649, ostensibly because of religious differences. Cromwell died in 1657 and the throne of England was re-established when Charles II was crowned in 1660. He died in 1685. In 1689, the same group of bankers regained power in England by putting King William of Orange on the throne. He soon repaid his backers by ordering the British Treasury to borrow 1,250,000 pounds from these bankers. He also issued them a Royal Charter for the Bank of England, which permitted them to consolidate the National debt (which had just been created by this loan) and to secure payments of interest and principal by direct taxation of the people. The Charter forbade private goldsmiths to store gold and to issue receipts, which gave the stockholders of the Bank of England a money monopoly. The goldsmiths also were required to store their gold in the Bank of England vaults. Not only had their privilege of issuing circulating medium been taken away by government decree, but their fortunes were now turned over to those who had supplanted them.*

In his "Cantos", Ezra Pound refers to the unique privileges which William Paterson advertised in his prospectus for the Charter of the Bank of England:

"Said Paterson

Hath benefit of interest on all

the moneys which it, the bank, creates out of nothing."

The "nothing" which is referred to, of course, is the bookkeeping operation of the bank, which "creates" money by entering a notation that it has "lent" you one thousand dollars, money which did not exist until the bank made the entry.

By 1698, the British Treasury owed 16 million pounds sterling to the Bank of England. By 1815, principally due to the compounding of interest, the debt had risen to 885 million pounds sterling. Some of this increase was due to the wars which had flourished during that period, including the Napoleonic Wars and the wars which England had fought to retain its American Colony.

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* NOTE: In the United States, after the stockholders of the Federal Reserve System had consolidated their power in 1934, our government also issued orders that private citizens could not store or hold gold.

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William Paterson (1658-1719) himself benefited little from "the moneys which the bank creates out of nothing", as he withdrew, after a policy disagreement, from the Bank of England a year after it was founded. A later William Paterson became one of the framers of the United States Constitution, while the name lingers on, like the pernicious central bank itself.

Paterson had found himself unable to work with the Bank of England's stockholders. Many of them remained anonymous, but an early description of the Bank of England stated it was "A society of about 1330 persons, including the King and Queen of England, who had 10,000 pounds of stock, the Duke of Leeds, Duke of Devonshire, Earl of Pembroke, and the Earl of Bradford."

Because of his success in his speculations, Baron Nathan Mayer de Rothschild, as he now called himself, reigned as the supreme financial power in London. He arrogantly exclaimed, during a party in his mansion, "I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply."

His brother James in Paris had also achieved dominance in French finance. In Baron Edmond de Rothschild, David Druck writes, "(James) Rothschild's wealth had reached the 600 million mark. Only one man in France possessed more. That was the King, whose wealth was 800 million. The aggregate wealth of all the bankers in France was 150 million less than that of James Rothschild. This naturally gave him untold powers, even to the extent of unseating governments whenever he chose to do so. It is well known, for example, that he overthrew the Cabinet of Prime Minister Thiers."48

The expansion of Germany under Bismarck was accompanied by his dependence on Samuel Bleichroder, Court Bankers of the Prussian Emperor, who had been known as an agent of the Rothschilds since 1828. The later Chancellor of Germany, Dr. von Bethmann Hollweg, was the son of Moritz Bethmann of Frankfurt, who had intermarried with the Rothschilds. Emperor Wilhelm I also relied heavily on Bischoffsheim, Goldschmidt, and Sir Ernest Cassel of Frankfurt, who emigrated to England and became personal banker to the Prince of Wales, later Edward VII. Cassel's daughter married Lord Mountbatten, giving the family a direct relationship to the present British Crown.

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48 David Druck, Baron Edmond de Rothschild, (Privately printed), N.Y. 1850

49 E.M. Josephson, The Strange Death of Franklin D. Roosevelt, pg. 39, Chedney Press, N.Y. 1948

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Josephson49 states that Philip Mountbatten was related through the Cassels to the Meyer Rothschilds of Frankfurt. Thus, the English royal House of Windsor has a direct family relationship to the Rothschilds. In 1901, when Queen Victoria's son, Edward, became King Edward VII, he re-established the Rothschild ties.

Paul Emden in Behind The Throne says,

"Edward's preparation for his metier was quite different from that of his mother, hence he 'ruled' less than she did. Gratefully, he retained around him men who had been with him in the age of the building of the Baghdad Railway...there were added to the advisory staff Leopold and Alfred de Rothschild, various members of the Sassoon family, and above all his private financial advisor Sir Ernest Cassel."

The enormous fortune which Cassel made in a relatively short time gave him an immense power which he never misused. He amalgamated the firm of Vickers Sons with the Naval Construction Company and the Maxim-Nordenfeldt Guns and Ammunition Company, a fusion from which there arose the worldwide firm of Vickers Sons and Maxim. On an entirely different capacity from Cassel were businessmen like the Rothschilds. The firm was run on democratic principles, and the various partners all had to be members of the family. With great hospitality and in a princely manner they led the lives of grand seigneurs, and it was natural that Edward VII should find them congenial. Thanks to their international family relationships and still more extended business connections, they knew the whole world, were well informed about everybody, and had reliable knowledge of matters which did not appear on the surface. This combination of finance and politics had been a trademark of the Rothschilds from the very beginning. The House of Rothschild always knew more than could be found in the papers and even more than could be read in the reports which arrived at the Foreign Office. In other countries also the relations of the Rothschilds extended behind the throne. Not until numerous diplomatic publications appeared in the years after the war did a wider public learn how strongly Alfred de Rothschild's hand affected the politics of Central Europe during the twenty years before the war (World War I)."

With the control of the money came the control of the news media. Kent Cooper, head of the Associated Press, writes in his autobiography, Barriers Down,

"International bankers under the House of Rothschild acquired an interest in the three leading European agencies."

Thus the Rothschilds bought control of Reuters International News Agency, based in London, Havas of France, and Wolf in Germany, which controlled the dissemination of all news in Europe.

In Inside Europe, John Gunther wrote in 1936 that any French prime minister, at the end of 1935, was a creature of the financial oligarchy, and that this financial oligarchy was dominated by twelve regents, of whom six were bankers, and were headed by Baron Edmond de Rothschild.

The iron grip of the "London Connection" on the media was exposed in a recent book by Ben J. Bagdikian The Media Monopoly, described as "A startling report on the 50 corporations that control what America sees, hears, reads".53 Bagdikian, who edited the nation's most influential magazine the Saturday Evening Post until the monopoly suddenly closed it down, reveals the interlocking directorates among the fifty corporations which control the news, but fails to trace them back to the five London banking houses which control them. He mentions that CBS interlocks with the Washington Post, Allied Chemical, Wells Fargo Bank, and others, but does not tell the reader that Brown Brothers Harriman controls CBS, or that the Eugene Meyer family (Lazard Freres) controls Allied Chemical and the Washington Post, and Kuhn Loeb Co. the Wells Fargo Bank. He shows the New York Times interlocked with Morgan Guaranty Trust, American Express, First Boston Corporation and others, but does not show how the banking interlocks. He does not mention the Federal Reserve System in his entire book, which is conspicuous by its absence.

Bagdikian documents that the media monopoly is steadily closing down more newspapers and magazines. Washington D.C., with one paper, The Post, is unique among world capitols. London has eleven daily newspapers, Paris fourteen, Rome eighteen, Tokyo seventeen, and Moscow nine. He cites a study from the 1982 World Press Encyclopaedia that the United States is at the bottom of industrial nations in the number of daily newspapers sold per 1,000 population. Sweden leads the list with 572, the United States is at the bottom with 287. There is universal distrust of the media by Americans, because of their notorious monopoly and bias. The media unanimously urge higher taxes on working people, more government spending, a welfare state with totalitarian powers, close relations with Russia, and a rabid denunciation of anyone who opposes Communism.

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&&&&&& LEN its not only Larrouche &&&&&&&&& &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Dr. Carrol Quigley refers to this group as "The British-American Secret Society" in Tragedy and Hope, stating that "The chief backbone of this organization grew up along the already existing financial cooperation running from the Morgan Bank in New York to a group of international financiers in London led by Lazard Brothers (in 1901)." Dr. Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, Macmillan Co., N.Y.

Though Quigley was an eminent historian Tragedy and Hope was one of his more obscure works which seems to have tried to distance himself from later, AFAICT only conspiracy nuts especially far right John Birch types paid it any heed. And based on an online version never documented the claims he made simply stating that, “ I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments.” But even so he never said that Morgan was British only that it worked with “a group of international financiers in London” and he wasn’t talking about the current situation or even the recent past but rather the way things were over 100 years ago. All the people active back then are long since dead and Morgan has long since sold off its British subsidiary. When you can find a source that can back their claims and actually says Morgan is or was until recently British get back to us.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/shadow/tragedyandhope.htm

As for the rest of your post I didn’t have the impatient to slog through the whole thing but all it seems to indicate is that Morgan did business in Britain decades ago I imagine they still do as do most investment banks. I have no idea how Cromwell is relevant

PS Quigley did NOT use the term “The British-American Secret Society" in the section you quoted

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&&&&&& LEN its not only Larrouche &&&&&&&&& &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Dr. Carrol Quigley refers to this group as "The British-American Secret Society" in Tragedy and Hope, stating that "The chief backbone of this organization grew up along the already existing financial cooperation running from the Morgan Bank in New York to a group of international financiers in London led by Lazard Brothers (in 1901)." Dr. Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, Macmillan Co., N.Y.

Though Quigley was an eminent historian Tragedy and Hope was one of his more obscure works which seems to have tried to distance himself from later, AFAICT only conspiracy nuts especially far right John Birch types paid it any heed. And based on an online version never documented the claims he made simply stating that, “ I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments.” But even so he never said that Morgan was British only that it worked with “a group of international financiers in London” and he wasn’t talking about the current situation or even the recent past but rather the way things were over 100 years ago. All the people active back then are long since dead and Morgan has long since sold off its British subsidiary. When you can find a source that can back their claims and actually says Morgan is or was until recently British get back to us.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/shadow/tragedyandhope.htm

As for the rest of your post I didn’t have the impatient to slog through the whole thing but all it seems to indicate is that Morgan did business in Britain decades ago I imagine they still do as do most investment banks. I have no idea how Cromwell is relevant

PS Quigley did NOT use the term “The British-American Secret Society" in the section you quoted

+++++++++++++++++MORGAN MORGAN MORGAN IN A BRITISH BASED CONSPIRCY

BTW LEN he probably was threatened RE BACK OFF++++++++++++

Obscure ?? no, but sometimes LEN the truth is suppressed. LEN clean the sex thrill from your brain............

TRAGEDY AND HOPE

by: Carroll Quigley

Excerpted from pp. 950 - 955 - detailing the establishment of the "New York branch of the ROYAL INSTITUTE OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS". . . the:

COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS

There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Group has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, of any other groups, and frequently does so.

I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments.

I have objected, but in the past and recently, to a few of its policies (notably to its belief that England was an Atlantic rather than a European Power and must be allied, or even federated, with the United States and must remain isolated from Europe), but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wished to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known.

The Round Table Groups have already been mentioned in this book several times, notably in connection with the formation of the British Commonwealth in chapter 4 and in the discussion of appeasement in chapter 12 ("the Cliveden Set").

At the risk of some repetition, the story will be summarized here, because the American branch of this oganization (sometimes called the "Eastern Establishment") has played a very significant role in the history of the United States in the last generation.

The Round Table Groups were semi-secret discussion and lobbying groups organized by Lionel Curtis, Philip H. Kerr (Lord Lothian), and (Sir) William S. Marris in 1908-1911. This was done on behalf of Lord Milner, the dominant Trustee of the Rhodes Trust in the two decades 1905-1925.

The original purpose of these groups was to seek to federate the English-speaking world along lines laid down by Cecil Rhodes (1853-1902) and William T. Stead, (1840-1912), and the money for the organizational work came originally from the Rhodes Trust.

By 1915 Round Table groups existed in seven countries, including England, South Africa, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, and a rather loosely organized group in the United States (George Louis Beer, Walter Lippman, Frank Avdelotte, Whitney Shepardson, Thomas W. Lamont, Jerome D. Greene, Erwin D. Canham of the Christian Science Monitor, and others).

The attitudes of the various groups were coordinated by frequent visits and discussions and by a well-informed and totally anonymous quarterly magazine, The Round Table, whose first issue, largely written by Philip Kerr, appeared in November 1910.

The leaders of this group were: Milner, until his death in 1915, followed by Curtis (1872-1955), Robert H. (Lord) Brand -- brother-in-law of Lady Astor -- until his death in 1963, and now Adam D. Marris, son of Sir William and Brand's successor as managing director of Lazard Brothers bank. The original intention had been to have collegial leadership, but Milner was too secretive and headstrong to share the role.

He did so only in the period 1913-1919 when he held regular meetings with some of his closest friends to coordinate their activities as a pressure group in the struggle with Wilhelmine Germany. This they called their "Ginger Group". After Milner's death in 1925, the leadership was largely shared by the survivors of Milner's 'Kindergarten', that is, the group of young Oxford men whom he used as civil servants in his reconstruction of South Africa in 1901-1910.

Brand was the last survivor of the "Kindergarten", since his death, the greatly reduced activities of the organization have been exercised largely through the Editorial Committee of The Round Table magazine under Adam Marris.

Money for the widely ramified activities of this organization came originally from the associates and followers of Cecil Rhodes, chiefly from the Rhodes Trust itself, and from wealthy associates such as the Beit brothers, from Sir Abe Bailey, and (after 1915) from the Astor family.

Since 1925 there have been substantial contributions from wealthy individuals and from foundations and firms associated with the international banking fraternity, especially the Carnegie United Kingdom Trust, and other organizations associated with J.P. Morgan, the Rockefeller and Whitney families, and the associates of Lazard Brothers and of Morgan, Grenfell, and Company.

The chief backbone of this organization grew up along the already existing financial cooperation running from the Morgan Bank in New York to a group of international financiers in London led by Lazard Brothers.

Milner himself in 1901 had refused a fabulous offer, worth up to 100,000 a year, to become one of the three partners of the Morgan Bank in London, in succession to the younger J.P. Morgan who moved from London to join his father in New York (eventually the vacancy went to E.C. Grenfell, so that the London affiliate of Morgan became known as Morgan, Grenfell, and Company).

Instead, Milner became director of a number of public banks, chiefly the London Joint Stock Bank, corporate precursor of the Midland Bank. He became one of the greatest political and financial powers in England, with his disciples strategically placed throughout England in significant places, such as the editorship of The Times, the editorship of The Observer, the managing directorship of Lazard Brothers, various administrative posts, and even Cabinet positions.

Ramifications were established in politics, high finance, Oxford and London universities, periodicals, the civil service, and tax exempt foundations.

At the end of the war of 1914, it became clear that the organization of this system had to be greatly extended. Once again the task was entrusted to Lionel Curtis who established, in England and each dominion, a front organization to the existing local Round Table Group.

This front organization, called the royal Institute of International Affairs, had as its nucleus in each area the existing submerged Round Table Group. In New York it was known as the Council on Foreign Relations and was a front for J.P. Morgan and Company in association with the very small American Round Table Group.

The American organizers were dominated by the large number of Morgan "experts", including Lamont and Beer, who had gone to the Paris Peace Conference and there became close friends with the similar group of English "experts" which had been recruited by the Milner group.

In fact, the original plans for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Council on Foreign Relations were drawn up at Paris.

The Council of the RIIA (which, by Curtis's energy came to be housed in Chatham House, across St. James's Square from the Astors, and was soon known by the name of the headquarters) and the board of the Council on Foreign Relations have carried ever since the marks of their origin.

Until 1960 the council at Chatham House was dominated by the dwindling group of Milner's associates, while the paid staff members were largely the agents of Lionel Curtis. The Round Table for years (until 1960) was edited from the back door of Chatham House grounds in Ormond Yard, and its telephone came through the Chatham House switchboard.

The New York branch was dominated by the associates of the Morgan Bank. For example, in 1928 the Council on Foreign relations had John W. Davis as president, Paul Cravath as vice-president, and a council of thirteen others, which included Owen D. Young, russell C. Leffingwell, Norman Davis, Allen Dulles, George W. Wickersham, Frank L. Polk, Whitney Shepardson, Isaiah Bowman, Stephen P. Duggan, and Otto Kahn.

Throughout its history, the council has been associated with the American Round Tablers, such as Beer, Lippmann, Shepardson, and Jerome Greene.

The academic figures have been those linked to Morgan, such as James T. Shotwell, Charles Seymour, Joseph P. Chamberlain, Philip Jessup, Isaiah Bowman and, more recently, Philip Moseley, Grayson L. Kirk, and Henry W. Wriston.

The Wall Street contracts with these were created originally from Morgan's influence in handling large academic endowments. In the case of the largest of these endowments, that at Harvard, the influence was usually exercised indirectly through "State Street", Boston, which, for much of the twentieth century, came through the Boston banker Thomas Nelson Perkins.

Closely allied with this Morgan influence were a small group of Wall Street law firms, whose chief figures were Elihu Root, John W. Davis, Paul D. Cravath, Russell Leffingwell, the Dulles brothers and, more recently, Arthur H. Dean, Philip D. Reed, and John J. McCloy. Other nonlegal agents of Morgan included men like Owen D. Young and Norman H. Davis.

On this basis, which was originally financial and goes back to George Peabody, there grew up in the twentieth century a power structure between London and New York which penetrated deeply into university life, the press, and the practice of foreign policy.

In England the center was the Round Table Group, while in the United States it was J.P. Morgan and Company or its local branches in Boston, Philadelphia, and Cleveland.

Some rather incidental examples of the operations of this structure are very revealing, just because they are incidental. For example, it set up in Princeton a reasonable copy of the Round Table Group's chief Oxford headquarters, All Souls College.

This copy, called the Institute for Advanced Study, and best known, perhaps, as the refuge of Einstein, Oppenheimer, John von Neumann, and George F. Kennan, was organized by Abraham Flexner of the Carnegie Foundation and Rockefeller's General Education Board after he had experienced the delights of All Souls while serving as Rhodes Memorial Lecturer at Oxford. The plans were largely drawn by Tom Jones, one of the Round Table's most active intriguers and foundation administrators.

The American branch of this "English Establishment" exerted much of its influence through five American newspapers (The New York Times, New York Herald Tribune, Christian Science Monitor, the Washington Post, and the lamented Boston Evening Transcript )

In fact, the editor of the Christian Science Monitor was the chief American correspondent (anonymously) of The Round Table, and Lord Lothian, the original editor of The Round Table and later secretary of the Rhodes Trust (1925-1939) and ambassador to Washington, was a frequent writer in the Monitor.

It might be mentioned that the existence of this Wall Street Anglo-American axis is quite obvious once it is pointed out.

It is reflected in the fact that such Wall Street luminaries as John W. Davis, Lewis Douglas, Jock Whitney, and Douglas Dillon were appointed to be American ambassadors in London.

This double international network in which the Round Table groups formed the semi-secret or secret nuclei of the Institutes of International Affairs was extended into a third network in 1935, organized by the same people for the same motives.

Once again the mastermind was Lionel Curtis, and the earlier Round Table Groups and Institutes of International Affairs were used as nuclei for the new network.

However, this new organization for Pacific affairs was extended to ten countries, while the Round Table Groups existed only in seven. The new additions, ultimately China, Japan, France, the Netherlands, and Soviet Russia, had Pacific councils set up from scratch.

In Canada, australia, and New Zealand, Pacific councils, interlocked and dominated by the Institutes of International Affairs, were set up.

In England, Chatham House served as the English center for both nets, while in the United States the two were parallel creations (not subordinate) of the Wall Street allies of the Morgan Bank. The financing came from the same international banking groups and their subsidiary commercial and industrial firms.

In England, Chatham House was financed for both networks by the contributions of Sir Abe Bailey, the Astor family, and additional funds largely acquired by the persuasive powers of Lionel Curtis. The financial difficulties of the IPR Councils in the British Dominions in the depression of 1929-1935 resulted in a very revealing effort to save money, when the local Institute of International Affairs absorbed the local Pacific Council, both of which were, in a way, expensive and needless fronts for the local Round Table groups.

The chief aims of this elaborate, semi-secret organization were largely commendable: to coordinate the international activities and outlooks of all the English-speaking world into one (which would largely, it is true, be that of the London group); to work to maintain the peace; to help backward, colonial, and underdeveloped areas to advance toward stability, law and order, and prosperity along lines somewhat similar to those taught at Oxford and the University of London (especially the School of Economics and the Schools of African and Oriental Studies).

These organizations and their financial backers were in no sense reactionary or Fascistic persons, as Communist propaganda would like to depict them. Quite the contrary.

They were gracious and cultured gentlemen of somewhat limited social experience who were much concerned with the freedom of expression of minorities and the rule of law for all, who constantly thought in terms of Anglo-American solidarity, of political partition and federation, and who were convinced that they could gracefully civilize the Boers of South Africa, the Irish, the Arabs, and the Hindus, and who are largely responsible for the partitions of Ireland, Palestine, and India, as well as the federations of South Africa, Central Africa, and the West Indies.

Their desire to win over the opposition by cooperation worked with Smuts but failed with Hertzog, worked with Gandhi but failed with Menon, worked with Stresemann but failed with Hitler, and has shown little chance of working with any Soviet leader. If their failures now loom larger than their successes, this should not be allowed to conceal the high motives with which they attempted both.

It was this group of people, whose wealth and influence so exceeded their experience and understanding, who provided much of the frame-work of influence which the Communist sympathizers and fellow travelers took over in the United States in the 1930's.

It must be recognized that the power that these energetic Left-wingers exercised was never their own power or Communist power but was ultimately the power of the international financial coterie, and, once the anger and suspicions of the American people were aroused, as they were by 1950, it was a fairly simple matter to get rid of the Red sympathizers.

Before this could be done, however, a congressional committee, following backward to their source the threads which led from admitted Communists like Whittaker Chamber, through Alger Hiss, and the Carnegie Endowment to Thomas Lamont and the Morgan Bank, fell into the whole complicated network of the interlocking tax-exempt foundations.

The Eighty-third Congress in July 1953 set up a Special Committee to investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations with Representative B. Carroll Reece of Tennessee, as chairman. It soon became clear that people of immense wealth would be unhappy if the investigation went too far and that the "most respected" newspapers in the country, closely allied with these men of wealth, would not get excited enough about any revelations to make the publicity worth while, in terms of votes or campaign contributions.

An interesting report showing the Left-wing associations of the interlocking nexus of tax-exempt foundations was issued in 1954 rather quietly. Four years later, the Reece committee's general counsel, Rene A. Wormser wrote a shocked, but not shocking, book on the subject called Foundations: Their Power and Influence.

One of the most interesting members of this Anglo-American power structure was Jerome D. Greene (1874-1959). Born in Japan of missionary parents, Greene graduated from Harvard's college and law school by 1899 and became secretary to Harvard's president and corporation in 1901-1910. This gave him contacts with Wall Street which made him general manager of the Rockefeller Institute (1910-1012), assistant to John d. Rockefeller in philanthropic work for two years, then trustee to the Rockefeller Institute, to the Rockefeller foundation, and to the Rockefeller General Education Board until 1939.

For fifteen years (1917-1932) he was with the Boston investment banking firm of Lee, Higginson, and Company, most of the period as its chief officer, as well as with its London branch. As executive secretary of the American section of the Allied Maritime Transport Council, stationed in London in 1918, he lived in Toynbee Hall, the world's first settlement house, which has been founded by Alfred Milner and his friends in 1984.

This brought him in contact with the Round Table Group in England, a contact which was strengthened in 1919 when he was secretary to the Reparations Commission at the Paris Peace Conference. Accordingly, on his return to the United States he was one of the early figures in the establishment of the Council on Foreign Relations, which served as the New York branch of Lionel Curtis's Institute of International Affairs.

As an investment banker, Greene is chiefly remembered for his sales of millions of dollars of the fraudulent securities of the Swedish match king, Ivar Kreuger. That Greene offered these to the American investing public in good faith is evident from the fact that he put a substantial part of his own fortune in the same investments. As a consequence, Kreuger's suicide in Paris in April 1932 left Greene with little money and no job. He wrote to Lionel Curtis, asking for help, and was given, for two years, a professorship of international relations at Aberystwyth, Wales.

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Excerpts from pp 324 - 327 discussing the "powers of financial capitalism"

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Though Quigley was an eminent historian Tragedy and Hope was one of his more obscure works which seems to have tried to distance himself from later, AFAICT only conspiracy nuts especially far right John Birch types paid it any heed

What's the point of this comment? It's chocked full of false assertions. The influential Macmillan family published the book, so they seemed to think it was important. And how many printings has this book been through since it was first published in 1966(?).

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And based on an online version never documented the claims he made simply stating that, “ I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments

Quigley tells his readers that he has studied the operations of this network for twenty years! That he was permitted to read their papers and secret records.

But even so he never said that Morgan was British only that it worked with “a group of international financiers in London

"A group of international financiers in London"? That's as good a definition of the British Empire as anyone is going to get. This slime mold includes JP Morgan as well as the other Wall Street financial houses.

You can look at the records of the Pecora Commission, and you'll find that JP Morgan was shown to be an "instrument" for carrying out financial warfare and credit policy for British interests. JP Morgan has always been a tool of the British Empire. Physical address withstanding.

Maybe the problem is we havent agreed upon the definition of an American institution or a British institution? That might be where the problem is.

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BTW LEN he probably was threatened RE BACK OFF++++++++++++

Obscure ?? no, but sometimes LEN the truth is suppressed.

Any evidence he "was threatened RE BACK OFF"

Yes it is obscure, any evidence the book was "surpressed"

LEN clean the sex thrill from your brain............

?????? LOL

TRAGEDY AND HOPE

by: Carroll Quigley

Excerpted from pp. 950 - 955 - detailing the establishment of the "New York branch of the ROYAL INSTITUTE OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS". . . the:

COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS...

I love the quantity not quality gambit. Unable to show the books shows what you claim you post the entire 5 page section

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Though Quigley was an eminent historian Tragedy and Hope was one of his more obscure works which seems to have tried to distance himself from later, AFAICT only conspiracy nuts especially far right John Birch types paid it any heed

What's the point of this comment? It's chocked full of false assertions. The influential Macmillan family published the book, so they seemed to think it was important. And how many printings has this book been through since it was first published in 1966(?).

I never indicated it was not, originally at least, released by a major publisher. 6 years after publication it had only sold 8000 copies and was out of print. It was republished in 1974 or 5 (some sources say 1984) by Angriff Press, presumably named after the Nazi newspaper Der Angriff which specialized in books about Tesla, racist/anti-semitic tracts and books about explosives, then shortly thereafter by a very obscure (possibly related) company specializing in right-wing / conspiracy books (including Mein Kampf, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and something by Hermann Goring) called G. S. G. & Associates which seems last to have put out a new title in 1995 leading me to suspect that the copies being sold by Amazon are old stock printed decades ago. Perhaps Mauro can produce evidence it has been reprinted various times but a few reprints by fringe publishers like Angriff and G.S.G. don’t contradict the notion it’s “obscure”

http://www.carrollquigley.net/biography/Making-Birchers-Bark.htm

http://www.books-by-isbn.com/0-945001/

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_adv_b/?search-alias=stripbooks&unfiltered=1&field-keywords=&field-author=&field-title=&field-isbn=&field-publisher=+G+S+G+%26+Associates&node=&field-p_n_condition-type=&field-feature_browse-bin=&field-binding_browse-bin=&field-subject=&field-language=&field-dateop=&field-datemod=&field-dateyear=&sort=relevanceexprank&Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.x=14&Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.y=10

Then he further lies when he asserts that only conspiracy nuts especially the John Birch types, pay it any attention. Pure bull crap.

The JBS/Liberty Lobby types loved it (see 1st link above) perhaps Mauro can produce evidence others paid it (positive) attention

Then he claims Quigley tried to distance himself from his own book. More bull crap having nothing to do with the issue at hand.

See Making Birchers Bark above though he says he was misquoted he also seem to have backed off his more sensational claims.

And based on an online version never documented the claims he made simply stating that, “ I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments

Quigley tells his readers that he has studied the operations of this network for twenty years! That he was permitted to read their papers and secret records.

But oddly was unable to cite a single source. If he was “permitted for two years” to examine their papers shortly before publishing the book he should have been able to cite specific documents if he really had been “close to” the “network” he should have able to list some interviews. That’s how serious historians are supposed to do it.

But even so he never said that Morgan was British only that it worked with “a group of international financiers in London”

"A group of international financiers in London"? That's as good a definition of the British Empire as anyone is going to get. This slime mold includes JP Morgan as well as the other Wall Street financial houses.

Mauro seems to be unable to understand the difference between working with a group and being part of it

You can look at the records of the Pecora Commission, and you'll find that JP Morgan was shown to be an "instrument" for carrying out financial warfare and credit policy for British interests.

Perhaps Mauro can produce evidence they reached such a conclusion.

JP Morgan has always been a tool of the British Empire. Physical address withstanding.

Perhaps Mauro can produce evidence (not from sources linked to her guru) that this is the case. So far we have a book published in 1966 which if misread indicated Morgan was a British tool around 1900 and an undocumented claim an early 1930’s senate commission reached the same conclusion. Any evidence this true today?

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''BP oil spill shows why we need renewables

Saturday, July 3, 2010 By Ash Pemberton

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Image: Twilightearth.com The ongoing disaster in the Gulf of Mexico caused by the April 20 explosion at the Deepwater Horizon oil rig has exposed the obscene behaviour of the world’s fourth-largest corporation, British Petroleum (BP).

Evidence has come from many sources revealing BP was aware of safety concerns, but did nothing about them.

Its lack of preparedness for this disaster — highlighted by its series of failed, makeshift repair attempts — has shown the priorities of the oil industry. Vast amounts have been spent on extraction, but next to nothing has been spent on technology to deal with highly likely spills.

From day one, BP has acted desperately — not to stop the estimated 100,000 barrels of oil a day spewing from its destroyed well — but to stop bad publicity affecting its corporate image.

BP has gone out of its way to lie about the scale of the disaster and to stop media investigations of the clean-up effort.

CNN said on June 10 that the US National Guard had been mobilised to prevent media access to oil-covered birds that had been rescued. Clean-up workers are banned from speaking to the media and are carefully watched by private security contractors.

BP’s sheer arrogance during the Gulf crisis has shocked many people in the First World. But for those in the Third World, this kind of behaviour would actually mark a step up in the oil industry’s standard practice.

Spills on the scale of the Gulf of Mexico disaster occur each year in the Nigerian delta, the British Guardian said on May 30. The difference is that, in a Third World country like Nigeria, neither the company nor government even bothers to clean it up.

BP’s approach is not unique. Nola.com said on June 29 that a survey of oil multinationals ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, Shell and Chevron by the US House Energy and Commerce Committee found that each of these companies’ oil-spill response plans were more or less the same as BP’s.

BP’s long history of destructive behaviour in its pursuit of profit is far from unique to the oil industry. But it is emblematic of the approach these companies take to people and the planet.

There are other, lesser known, examples of BP’s approach. BP was implicated in massacres near the Ocensa pipeline in Colombia in the 1990s, an October 1998 Guardian article said.

The company armed and mobilised government troops and paramilitary death squads against locals under the guise of protecting the pipeline against guerilla attack.

BP’s operations in places such as the Niger Delta, Kuwait, Iraq, Papua New Guinea, Algeria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen and Aden have all been accompanied by horror stories of exploitation and misery.

No country has been ravaged by BP as much as Iran. BP originated in 1902 as the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (APOC). It was set up to exploit the oil reserves of Iran.

The British government bought a 51% stake in the company in 1913 to secure fuel for its military in World War I. It took advantage of the extremely generous contract terms to make millions in profit while paying a pitiful amount in royalties.

Iranian oil workers were forced to work for tiny wages and live in squalid shantytowns.

APOC more or less controlled Iranian politics for decades, removing and installing leaders at will.

This domination came to an end in 1951 after a mass movement brought nationalist democrat Mohammad Mossadegh to power. His government nationalised the oil industry.

An outraged APOC convinced the US and Britain to organise a coup to overthrow Mossadegh and return control of the oil to multinationals. These events have affected Iran ever since, leading to the revolution in 1979.

The US and British governments are still kowtowing to the oil giant.

The June 27 British Daily Telegraph said US President Barack Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron had agreed to bailout BP in case of significant financial damage caused by clean-up costs.

They declared in a joint statement that BP should “meet its obligations to cap the leak, clean up the damage and meet legitimate compensation claims”. But they added, “it was to both countries’ advantage for BP to remain a strong and stable company”.

British chancellor George Osborne put it more bluntly: “[bP] has many investors in the US, it is the largest oil company in the US and it is both in the US interest and the UK interest that BP has a strong future.”

In other words, the British and US governments’ are pledging to protect the interests of the company responsible for the US’s worst environmental catastrophe ever — the scale of whose damage is unknown but will be felt for generations.

As if all of this was not bad enough, the oil industry poses an even bigger threat to all of human society than the devastation wrought by the spill. Largely missing from the debate is the reality that the oil industry is not simply destructive of local environments at its points of production, but is also a major driver of climate change.

The horrible truth is the oil still pumping into the ocean is less destructive there than if it was burned and transformed into greenhouse gasses — which would contribute to the extreme danger of runaway climate change.

A “strong and stable” BP might be important for capitalism, but it is a nightmare for people and the planet.

A rational society would take this opportunity to confiscate BP’s resources to fund a transition to renewable energy. Small-scale investors could be compensated and the government could ensure retraining of affected workers into new, green industries.

Oil companies such as BP need to die so that the planet may live.

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LEN I posted about the 1650s because the info talked about a great change in history. When BANKS became more important than KING & DUKES ect. Banks loaned money to Kings and country for wars. Then the Banks became more powerful than the KINGS and country and help manipulte/create the wars for their (BANKS) profit.

1900.....?? Its still going on today. The Anglo/American conspiracy continues today.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19429

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18940

From the universal above to the singular below

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-508157/Tony-Blairs-time-bank-job-make-times-expected.html

JPMorgan is heading a consortium set to make billions as Iraq's economy recovers from the war spearheaded by Mr Blair and U.S. President George Bush.

It was chosen to run the new Trade Bank of Iraq, which has raised billions in trade guarantees by mortgaging future oil production and will make huge profits from the deals.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-508157/Tony-Blairs-time-bank-job-make-times-expected.html#ixzz0sjBr5KYB

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LEN I posted about the 1650s because the info talked about a great change in history. When BANKS became more important than KING & DUKES ect. Banks loaned money to Kings and country for wars. Then the Banks became more powerful than the KINGS and country and help manipulte/create the wars for their (BANKS) profit.

1900.....?? Its still going on today. The Anglo/American conspiracy continues today.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19429

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18940

The unsupported claims of kook sites like Global Research and Prison Planet are not evidence. Tricet did noy use term "Global Governance" as asynonym for "world government"/NWO but rather as the 1st sentence of the cited article makes clear "global coordination of financial regulation" Engdahl is not an "distinguished economist and historian" he has no degrees nor held academic appointments in either subject thoough he supposedly did graduate work in economics, his books were publish by obscure companys, his articles are published by obscure magazines/websites. He works "freelance". However even if all the claims made in the linked articles above were true they don't support your claim Morgan is British.

From the universal above to the singular below

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-508157/Tony-Blairs-time-bank-job-make-times-expected.html

JPMorgan is heading a consortium set to make billions as Iraq's economy recovers from the war spearheaded by Mr Blair and U.S. President George Bush.

It was chosen to run the new Trade Bank of Iraq, which has raised billions in trade guarantees by mortgaging future oil production and will make huge profits from the deals.

I'm not sure if "heading a consortium set to make billions as Iraq's economy recovers from the war spearheaded by Mr Blair and U.S. President George Bush." makes a company imoral or unscrupolous but even if did it wouldn't make them British

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COLBY:

So far we have a book published in 1966 which if misread indicated Morgan was a British tool around 1900 and an undocumented claim an early 1930’s senate commission reached the same conclusion.

Do you really believe the things you write? Perhaps they should have placed a "disclaimer" or "warning" on the jacket cover "misreading this book may lead the reader to make the wrong conclusion". Maybe something similiar to the warning placed on the sides of cigarette packs in the mid 1960's by the Surgeon General.

COLBY:

an undocumented claim an early 1930’s senate commission reached the same conclusion.

This understates greatly the role the Pecora Commssion played in pushing through FDR's banking/financial regulations. Ferndinand Pecora hauled in the top executives/partners of JP Morgan and exposed them, among other things, as being British tools in running financial warfare against the United States.

The facts are laid bare in Pecoras 1939 book "Wall Street Under Oath", .

Just remember if you decide you get off your lazy bum and do some work you have to be very careful not to misread Pecoras book. There is no telling what kind of conclusions you might reach.

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