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COLBY:

So far we have a book published in 1966 which if misread indicated Morgan was a British tool around 1900 and an undocumented claim an early 1930’s senate commission reached the same conclusion.

Do you really believe the things you write? Perhaps they should have placed a "disclaimer" or "warning" on the jacket cover "misreading this book may lead the reader to make the wrong conclusion". Maybe something similiar to the warning placed on the sides of cigarette packs in the mid 1960's by the Surgeon General.

Any text can be misread, as in this case the fault is normally with the readers (Steve and you) not the author. Quigley never said Morgan was tool of the British. Even if he said so he was talking about the early 1900's

COLBY:

an undocumented claim an early 1930’s senate commission reached the same conclusion.

This understates greatly the role the Pecora Commssion played in pushing through FDR's banking/financial regulations. Ferndinand Pecora hauled in the top executives/partners of JP Morgan and exposed them, among other things, as being British tools in running financial warfare against the United States.

The facts are laid bare in Pecoras 1939 book "Wall Street Under Oath", .

Just remember if you decide you get off your lazy bum and do some work you have to be very careful not to misread Pecoras book. There is no telling what kind of conclusions you might reach.

I gave no indication how important (or not) the commission was the fact that it's chairman became the 1st head of the SEC indicates it was important but you still have to source you claim it reached the conclusion Morgan was working for the British. If Pecora really said this in his book then you should easily be able to cite the applicable passages. I doubt anyone will take your say-so

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COLBY:

So far we have a book published in 1966 which if misread indicated Morgan was a British tool around 1900 and an undocumented claim an early 1930’s senate commission reached the same conclusion.

Do you really believe the things you write? Perhaps they should have placed a "disclaimer" or "warning" on the jacket cover "misreading this book may lead the reader to make the wrong conclusion". Maybe something similiar to the warning placed on the sides of cigarette packs in the mid 1960's by the Surgeon General.

Any text can be misread, as in this case the fault is normally with the readers (Steve and you) not the author. Quigley never said Morgan was tool of the British. Even if he said so he was talking about the early 1900's

COLBY:

an undocumented claim an early 1930’s senate commission reached the same conclusion.

This understates greatly the role the Pecora Commssion played in pushing through FDR's banking/financial regulations. Ferndinand Pecora hauled in the top executives/partners of JP Morgan and exposed them, among other things, as being British tools in running financial warfare against the United States.

The facts are laid bare in Pecoras 1939 book "Wall Street Under Oath", .

Just remember if you decide you get off your lazy bum and do some work you have to be very careful not to misread Pecoras book. There is no telling what kind of conclusions you might reach.

I gave no indication how important (or not) the commission was the fact that it's chairman became the 1st head of the SEC indicates it was important but you still have to source you claim it reached the conclusion Morgan was working for the British. If Pecora really said this in his book then you should easily be able to cite the applicable passages. I doubt anyone will take your say-so

Colby:

Quigley never said Morgan was tool of the British. Even if he said so he was talking about the early 1900's

Which is it, he never made any such claim or he did make such a claim but with qualifications?

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COLBY

"The unsupported claims of kook sites like Global Research and Prison Planet are not evidence."

Len Colby believes this is a kook website. BELOW some representative articles. KOOK WEBSITE ?? I dont agree with everything they post at this site. BUT KOOK ???? COME OFF IT !!

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20018

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19929

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19919

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19904

Here are 5 "KOOKS" who post there.

Michel Chossudovsky is an award-winning author, Professor of Economics (Emeritus) at the University of Ottawa and Director of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), Montreal. He is the author of The Globalization of Poverty and The New World Order (2003) and America’s “War on Terrorism” (2005). He is also a contributor to the Encyclopaedia Britannica. His writings have been published in more than twenty languages.

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Vijay Prashad is the George and Martha Kellner Chair of South Asian History and Director of International Studies at Trinity College, Hartford, CT. His most recent book, The Darker Nations: A People's History of the Third World, won the Muzaffar Ahmad Book Prize for 2009. Prashad's presentation at the recent Historical Materialism Conference. He can be reached at: vijay.prashad@trincoll.edu.

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Rodrigue Tremblay [http://www.thenewamericanempire.com/author.htm] is professor emeritus of economics at the University of Montreal and can be reached at rodrigue.tremblay@yahoo.com. He is the author of the book "The Code for Global Ethics" at: http://www.TheCodeForGlobalEthics.com/

The book “The Code for Global Ethics, Ten Humanist Principles”, by Dr. Rodrigue Tremblay, prefaced by Dr. Paul Kurtz, has just been released by Prometheus Books. Please visit the book site at: www.TheCodeForGlobalEthics.com/

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John Kozy is a retired professor of philosophy and logic who blogs on social, political, and economic issues. After serving in the U.S. Army during the Korean War, he spent 20 years as a university professor and another 20 years working as a writer. He has published a textbook in formal logic commercially, in academic journals and a small number of commercial magazines, and has written a number of guest editorials for newspapers. His on-line pieces can be found on http://www.jkozy.com/ and he can be emailed from that site's homepage

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Peter Dale Scott

Born Montreal, January 11, 1929. Married (1) Mary Elizabeth Marshall, June 16, 1956 (divorced, 1993): three children (Catherine Dale, Thomas, John Daniel). Married (2) Ronna Kabatznick, July 14, 1993. A Canadian citizen.

Education and Teaching:

B.A. (McGill University, Montreal), 1949. First Class Honors in Philosophy, Second Class Honors in Political Science.

Studied six months at Institut d'Etudes Politiques, Paris; and two years at University College, Oxford (1950-1952).

Ph.D. in Political Science (McGill), 1955. Dissertation on The Social and Political Ideas of T.S. Eliot.

1952-1953. Teacher at Sedbergh School, Montebello, Quebec.

1955-1956. Lecturer, Department of Political Science, McGill University.

1961-1966. Speech Department, University of California, Berkeley: Lecturer (1961); Acting Assistant Professor (1962); Assistant Professor (1963).

1966-1994. English Department, University of California, Berkeley: Assistant Professor (1966); Associate Professor (1968); Professor (1980). Retired 1994.

Professional Service

Foreign Service Officer, Canadian Department of External Affairs, 1957-1961: Twelfth and Thirteenth Sessions, United Nations General Assembly, 1957, 1958; Canadian Embassy in Warsaw, Poland (1959-1961); United Nations Conference on Statelessness (Geneva, 1959); United Nations Conference on Diplomatic Intercourse and Immunities (Vienna, 1961)

Senior Fellow, International Center for Development Policy, Washington, D.C., June-November 1987.

Fellowships

Canadian Social Sciences Research Council, 1956-57. Guggenheim Fellow, 1969-1970.

Honors and Awards

International Center for Development Policy, Freedom Award, 1987.

Finalist, Canadian Governor-General's Award for Poetry, 1988.

Reed Foundation Poetry Chapbook, Dia Art Foundation, 1989.

Writer in Residence, University of Toronto, Fall 1992.

Honorable Mention, Mencken Awards, Best Book, 1992.

Sylvia Meagher Award, Coalition on Political Assassinations, 1996.

JFK Pioneer Award, JFKLancer, 1997.

Resident, Bellagio Study Center, Aug.-Sept. 1997.

Lannan Poetry Award, 2002 (with Alan Dugan).

Lannan Writing Residency, Marfa, TX, March-April 2004

Honoree at Symposium and Seminars, Open Center, New York City, March 13-20, 2010.

Two journal issues devoted to his poetry: Chicago Review, Fall 1998; Agni, 31/32 (1990).

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COLBY:

So far we have a book published in 1966 which if misread indicated Morgan was a British tool around 1900 and an undocumented claim an early 1930’s senate commission reached the same conclusion.

Do you really believe the things you write? Perhaps they should have placed a "disclaimer" or "warning" on the jacket cover "misreading this book may lead the reader to make the wrong conclusion". Maybe something similiar to the warning placed on the sides of cigarette packs in the mid 1960's by the Surgeon General.

Any text can be misread, as in this case the fault is normally with the readers (Steve and you) not the author. Quigley never said Morgan was tool of the British. Even if he said so he was talking about the early 1900's

COLBY:

an undocumented claim an early 1930’s senate commission reached the same conclusion.

This understates greatly the role the Pecora Commssion played in pushing through FDR's banking/financial regulations. Ferndinand Pecora hauled in the top executives/partners of JP Morgan and exposed them, among other things, as being British tools in running financial warfare against the United States.

The facts are laid bare in Pecoras 1939 book "Wall Street Under Oath", .

Just remember if you decide you get off your lazy bum and do some work you have to be very careful not to misread Pecoras book. There is no telling what kind of conclusions you might reach.

I gave no indication how important (or not) the commission was the fact that it's chairman became the 1st head of the SEC indicates it was important but you still have to source you claim it reached the conclusion Morgan was working for the British. If Pecora really said this in his book then you should easily be able to cite the applicable passages. I doubt anyone will take your say-so

Colby:

Quigley never said Morgan was tool of the British. Even if he said so he was talking about the early 1900's

Which is it, he never made any such claim or he did make such a claim but with qualifications?

RIF Terry! Both, they are not mutually exclusive. He never made such a claim and the passage which Steve and you misinterpreted was referring to the early 1900's

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COLBY

"The unsupported claims of kook sites like Global Research and Prison Planet are not evidence."

Len Colby believes this is a kook website. BELOW some representative articles. KOOK WEBSITE ?? I dont agree with everything they post at this site. BUT KOOK ???? COME OFF IT !!

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20018

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19929

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19919

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19904

Here are 5 "KOOKS" who post there.

Michel Chossudovsky is an award-winning author, Professor of Economics (Emeritus) at the University of Ottawa and Director of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), Montreal. He is the author of The Globalization of Poverty and The New World Order (2003) and America’s “War on Terrorism” (2005). He is also a contributor to the Encyclopaedia Britannica. His writings have been published in more than twenty languages.

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Vijay Prashad is the George and Martha Kellner Chair of South Asian History and Director of International Studies at Trinity College, Hartford, CT. His most recent book, The Darker Nations: A People's History of the Third World, won the Muzaffar Ahmad Book Prize for 2009. Prashad's presentation at the recent Historical Materialism Conference. He can be reached at: vijay.prashad@trincoll.edu.

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Rodrigue Tremblay [http://www.thenewamericanempire.com/author.htm] is professor emeritus of economics at the University of Montreal and can be reached at rodrigue.tremblay@yahoo.com. He is the author of the book "The Code for Global Ethics" at: http://www.TheCodeForGlobalEthics.com/

The book “The Code for Global Ethics, Ten Humanist Principles”, by Dr. Rodrigue Tremblay, prefaced by Dr. Paul Kurtz, has just been released by Prometheus Books. Please visit the book site at: www.TheCodeForGlobalEthics.com/

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John Kozy is a retired professor of philosophy and logic who blogs on social, political, and economic issues. After serving in the U.S. Army during the Korean War, he spent 20 years as a university professor and another 20 years working as a writer. He has published a textbook in formal logic commercially, in academic journals and a small number of commercial magazines, and has written a number of guest editorials for newspapers. His on-line pieces can be found on http://www.jkozy.com/ and he can be emailed from that site's homepage

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Peter Dale Scott

Born Montreal, January 11, 1929. Married (1) Mary Elizabeth Marshall, June 16, 1956 (divorced, 1993): three children (Catherine Dale, Thomas, John

I don’t know about Prashad and Tremblay but Chossudovsky the man behind the site is most definitely kook as is Scott when he writes about 9/11. Though some distinguished authors contribute most of the people Chossudovsky gives bandwidth are loons like DRG and Paul Watson

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Though Quigley was an eminent historian Tragedy and Hope was one of his more obscure works which seems to have tried to distance himself from later, AFAICT only conspiracy nuts especially far right John Birch types paid it any heed

What's the point of this comment? It's chocked full of false assertions. The influential Macmillan family published the book, so they seemed to think it was important. And how many printings has this book been through since it was first published in 1966(?).

Then he further lies when he asserts that only conspiracy nuts especially the John Birch types, pay it any attention. Pure bull cr ap. Then he claims Quigley tried to distance himself from his own book. More bull cr ap having nothing to do with the issue at hand.

And based on an online version never documented the claims he made simply stating that, “ I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments

Quigley tells his readers that he has studied the operations of this network for twenty years! That he was permitted to read their papers and secret records.

But even so he never said that Morgan was British only that it worked with “a group of international financiers in London

"A group of international financiers in London"? That's as good a definition of the British Empire as anyone is going to get. This slime mold includes JP Morgan as well as the other Wall Street financial houses.

You can look at the records of the Pecora Commission, and you'll find that JP Morgan was shown to be an "instrument" for carrying out financial warfare and credit policy for British interests. JP Morgan has always been a tool of the British Empire. Physical address withstanding.

Maybe the problem is we havent agreed upon the definition of an American institution or a British institution? That might be where the problem is.

Terry,

There has been a complaint regarding this post, specifically accusing Len of being a xxxx ("...Then he further lies when he asserts that..."). I invite you to amend your post.

Please remember Rule IV.

Thank you.

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Terry,

There has been a complaint regarding this post, specifically accusing Len of being a xxxx ("...Then he further lies when he asserts that..."). I invite you to amend your post.

Please remember Rule IV.

Thank you.

Apparently insults and parroting her guru is all she has to offer. Funny how she and Steve have fallen silent on this (and the NHS) thread. And in case anyone was wondering I was NOT the person who complined about her post.

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PAST conspiracy ??????????????? PAST ????????? From the 2010 Trilateral Commission list. No current connection British and Morgan. I think that absurd.

Lord Simon of Highbury, Member of the House of Lords; Non-Executive Director of GDF Suez Group; Senior Adviser of Morgan Stanley International; former Deputy Chairman of Unilever; former Minister for Trade & Competitiveness in Europe; former Chairman of BP, London

http://publicintelligence.net/trilateral-commission-complete-membership-list-may-2010/

LEN COLBY WROTE /QUOTED on the BP board BELOW ==== from a LEN post

English - HSBC BP since 2005

Dr DeAnne Julius, CBE

Non-executive director

Chairman of the remuneration committee, member of the chairman’s and nomination committees

American - based in London since “the early 1980s” English husband Bank of England/Chatham House BP since 2001

David Jackson

Company secretary

David Jackson was appointed company secretary in 2003. A solicitor, he is a director of BP Pension Trustees Limited, and a member of the Listing Authorities Advisory Committee.

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Len the Husband... Chatham House ...Len did you read my posts re Chatham House ??

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From the internet I find info that your IP addrerss

is connected to the Government. Further there was a comment that you posted back tooo fast ,that you worked with a group. It is general info that goverments around the world now are paying people to pretend that they are average John "Q" citizen ,but are PAID to post the Govt. line. THANKS Steve Gaal who is not PAID TO POST

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PAST conspiracy ??????????????? PAST ????????? From the 2010 Trilateral Commission list. No current connection British and Morgan. I think that absurd.

That’s the whole point of making strawmen arguments you bowdlerize your opponent’s position and claim it is absurd. I never said there was “no current connection British and Morgan” obviously the world’s second biggest bank has ties to the planet’s 4th or 5th biggest economy. What I pointed out was that the “evidence” Mauro and you cited dates back 75 – 110 years ago. What I doubt is that Morgan is some sort of secret tool of the British.

Lord Simon of Highbury, Member of the House of Lords; Non-Executive Director of GDF Suez Group; Senior Adviser of Morgan Stanley International; former Deputy Chairman of Unilever; former Minister for Trade & Competitiveness in Europe; former Chairman of BP, London

http://publicintelligence.net/trilateral-commission-complete-membership-list-may-2010/

OMG you found a British guy who works as an “advisor” to Morgan Stanley a company that split off from JP Morgan in 1935. What exactly does that prove?

LEN COLBY WROTE /QUOTED on the BP board BELOW ==== from a LEN post

English - HSBC BP since 2005

Dr DeAnne Julius, CBE

Non-executive director

Chairman of the remuneration committee, member of the chairman’s and nomination committees

American - based in London since “the early 1980s” English husband Bank of England/Chatham House BP since 2001

David Jackson

Company secretary

David Jackson was appointed company secretary in 2003. A solicitor, he is a director of BP Pension Trustees Limited, and a member of the Listing Authorities Advisory Committee.

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Len the Husband... Chatham House ...Len did you read my posts re Chatham House ??

Couldn’t be bothered, my point was that BP remains an essentially British company, how does this relevant to your claim JP Morgan-Chase is a British tool?

From the internet I find info that your IP address is connected to the Government. Further there was a comment that you posted back tooo fast ,that you worked with a group. It is general info that goverments around the world now are paying people to pretend that they are average John "Q" citizen ,but are PAID to post the Govt. line. THANKS Steve Gaal who is not PAID TO POST

One can read all sorts of stupidity on the net and only a fool will blindly accept everything that aligns with their POV. My IP address is from Telemar Norte Leste S.A, Brazil’s largest phone company and one of it’s largest ISP’s it was privatized in 1998. I am but one of millions of people with a Telemar IP address. The source of this idiotic claim which originated with Jack White and Mike Williams is my internet service, just like that of everyone else in Brazil is regulated by a committee almost half of whose member’s are appointed by various government agencies. So, riddle me this Batman – why would Brazil’s leftist government which is friendly with Iran and Venezuela pay an American citizen to debunk the nonsense posted here by the likes of Mauro, White and you? If I were some sort of secret agent why would I used a gov’t ISP?

THANKS Len Colby who is not PAID TO DEBATE MORONS.

Clearly your stooping to such insinuations is a sign of your desperation

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http://www.riotinto.com/shareholders/12365_registrars_12414.asp

Rio Tinto plc ordinary shares are listed on the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) in the form of American Depositary Receipts (ADRs) and traded under the symbol 'RTP'. JP Morgan Chase Bank NA is the Authorized Depositary Bank for Rio Tinto plc's ADR programme. All enquiries regarding ADR holders' accounts and payment of dividends should be directed to the Depositary Bank:

Rio Tinto plc ADRS

ADR administrator

JPMorgan Service Center

PO Box 3408

South Hackensack

NJ 07606-3408

http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/rio-tinto-bp-planning-2b-clean-coal-project/2007/05/21/1179601315787.html

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PAST conspiracy ??????????????? PAST ????????? From the 2010 Trilateral Commission list. No current connection British and Morgan. I think that absurd.

That’s the whole point of making strawmen arguments you bowdlerize your opponent’s position and claim it is absurd. I never said there was “no current connection British and Morgan” obviously the world’s second biggest bank has ties to the planet’s 4th or 5th biggest economy. What I pointed out was that the “evidence” Mauro and you cited dates back 75 – 110 years ago. What I doubt is that Morgan is some sort of secret tool of the British.

Lord Simon of Highbury, Member of the House of Lords; Non-Executive Director of GDF Suez Group; Senior Adviser of Morgan Stanley International; former Deputy Chairman of Unilever; former Minister for Trade & Competitiveness in Europe; former Chairman of BP, London

http://publicintelligence.net/trilateral-commission-complete-membership-list-may-2010/

OMG you found a British guy who works as an “advisor” to Morgan Stanley a company that split off from JP Morgan in 1935. What exactly does that prove?

LEN COLBY WROTE /QUOTED on the BP board BELOW ==== from a LEN post

English - HSBC BP since 2005

Dr DeAnne Julius, CBE

Non-executive director

Chairman of the remuneration committee, member of the chairman’s and nomination committees

American - based in London since “the early 1980s” English husband Bank of England/Chatham House BP since 2001

David Jackson

Company secretary

David Jackson was appointed company secretary in 2003. A solicitor, he is a director of BP Pension Trustees Limited, and a member of the Listing Authorities Advisory Committee.

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Len the Husband... Chatham House ...Len did you read my posts re Chatham House ??

Couldn’t be bothered, my point was that BP remains an essentially British company, how does this relevant to your claim JP Morgan-Chase is a British tool?

From the internet I find info that your IP address is connected to the Government. Further there was a comment that you posted back tooo fast ,that you worked with a group. It is general info that goverments around the world now are paying people to pretend that they are average John "Q" citizen ,but are PAID to post the Govt. line. THANKS Steve Gaal who is not PAID TO POST

One can read all sorts of stupidity on the net and only a fool will blindly accept everything that aligns with their POV. My IP address is from Telemar Norte Leste S.A, Brazil’s largest phone company and one of it’s largest ISP’s it was privatized in 1998. I am but one of millions of people with a Telemar IP address. The source of this idiotic claim which originated with Jack White and Mike Williams is my internet service, just like that of everyone else in Brazil is regulated by a committee almost half of whose member’s are appointed by various government agencies. So, riddle me this Batman – why would Brazil’s leftist government which is friendly with Iran and Venezuela pay an American citizen to debunk the nonsense posted here by the likes of Mauro, White and you? If I were some sort of secret agent why would I used a gov’t ISP?

THANKS Len Colby who is not PAID TO DEBATE MORONS.

Clearly your stooping to such insinuations is a sign of your desperation

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One has to really think about the term MORON. The title of the BOOK and what he said should be a clue. Quigley said he supported the ANGLO/AMERICAN federation power base to control world affairs. He called it HOPE-the hope for the world. Per Quigley,the TRAGEDY is that they are keeping it (their ongoing) conspiracy for supreme world domination SECRET. If someone really had high intelligence (or even average intel) he/she would at least think about the title of a book they claim to have insight.Quigley's ongoing conspiracy takes us to at least 1965. Timothy Geithner takes us to today. SEE BELOW.

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The Morgan group is part of Pilgram Society,which is part of a British Dominated conspiracy. see link

http://www.isgp.eu/organisations/Pilgrims_Society02.htm

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The Pilgrims Society | Membership list

A study of the Anglo-American Establishment

Note: To avoid some confusion, this is the first article ever that did a complete analysis of the Pilgrims Society and made photocopies of membership lists available. The story that comes out here is one that is infinitely more detailed than anything that has been written before. And as with numerous other ISGP articles, basic Wikipedia entries were created soon after this (original) article was published. Just a couple of years ago, you wouldn't be able to find 10 percent of the information on the Pilgrims that is provided here. Keep that in mind when someone argues, "The Pilgrims are mentioned on Wikipedia, so what's the secret?". The secrets probably are that a complete analysis will prove that A) Yes, an Anglo-American establishment, including an Eastern Establishment, has existed for a very long time; and B) that a truly awful amount of influence is concentrated within this group.

"There are several curious things about these Pilgrims functions. In the first place there is present at these dinners an array of notables such as it would be difficult to bring together under one roof for any other purpose and by any other society... Among the guests were John D. Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan, Thomas W. Lamont and other members of the House of Morgan... We are entitled to know what the Pilgrim Society is, what it stands for, and who these powerful Pilgrims are that can call out the great to hear a British Ambassador expound to Americans the virtues of a united democratic front."

- John T. Whiteford asking very reasonable questions in his 1940 pamphlet 'Sir Uncle Sam: Knight of the British Empire'.

"[The aim of the international bankers was] nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was

to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences."

- Professor Carroll Quigley, 'Tragedy & Hope', p. 324. Can the Pilgrims, which Quigley never mentioned, verify his story of an Anglo-American Establishment? The Pilgram society link above looks at this issue and concludes -yes.

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The Pilgram society exists today. FROM 1979 Pilgram list.. Powerful Morgan influence in 1979 Pilgram society.

Function Amount

CFR non-executive members 45

CFR executive members 33

Carnegie Institute executives 21

FED executive positions 21

J.P. Morgan executives 17

Chase Bank executives 16

Skull & Bones (which is really a British conspiracy) 11

President World Bank 4 (of 10)

After analyzing the Pilgrims Society members list of about 360 names , I found that the institutions you see above were the most often represented. About 75% of this list is American and 25% British (rough estimate). This means that about 1 in 3 of the U.S. members of the Pilgrims Society is a confirmed member of the CFR. Striking is the fact that such a large percentage of CFR members are executive officers. About 50% of all the CFR executive officers have been confirmed members of the Pilgrims Society, which seems to indicate that quite possibly all of them are.

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Now from 1914-1979 Pilgram-presidents were all from NY FED,mostly Heads of NY FED . NO DATA PASS 1979. Pilgrams refuse to give info. JP Morgan was a Pilgram. Good golly Miss Molly the current Treasury Head was/IS probably Pilgram president !!!

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All the important members of the 1910 Jekyll Island meeting were Pilgrims; Vanderlip, Strong, Warburg, Davison, Norton, and Aldrich. Senator Aldrich's closest ally in congress, Edward B. Vreeland, was a Pilgrim too, together with his brother. Vreeland helped Aldrich establish a privately owned central bank. Of course, J.P. Morgan, George F. Baker, John D. Rockefeller, and Jacob Schiff were members also. Keep in mind these people were often competing with each other and weren't necessarily friends, as so many (conspiracy-oriented) people seem to think. N.Y. FED 'Pilgrim-presidents'

Benjamin Strong * 1914-1928

George Harrison * 1928-1940

Allan Sproul * 1941-1956

Alfred Hayes * 1956-1975

Paul Volcker * 1975-1979

Anthony Solomon 1980-1985

E. Gerald Corrigan 1985-1993

William J. McDonough 1993-2003

Timothy Geithner 2003-present

* = confirmed Pilgrim

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One has to really think about the term MORON.

Why, it is unambiguous.

The title of the BOOK and what he said should be a clue. Quigley said he supported the ANGLO/AMERICAN federation power base to control world affairs. He called it HOPE-the hope for the world. Per Quigley,the TRAGEDY is that they are keeping it (their ongoing) conspiracy for supreme world domination SECRET. If someone really had high intelligence (or even average intel) he/she would at least think about the title of a book they claim to have insight.Quigley's ongoing conspiracy takes us to at least 1965.

The passage you cited, as you pointed our, refered to the early 1900's Quigley provided nothing but his sayso in support of his claims. With in a few years of the book's publication he said that people saying it spelled out a conspiracy were taking him out of context.

Timothy Geithner takes us to today. SEE BELOW.

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The Morgan group is part of Pilgram Society,which is part of a British Dominated conspiracy. see link

http://www.isgp.eu/organisations/Pilgrims_Society02.htm

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The Pilgrims Society | Membership list

A study of the Anglo-American Establishment

Note: To avoid some confusion, this is the first article ever that did a complete analysis of the Pilgrims Society and made photocopies of membership lists available. The story that comes out here is one that is infinitely more detailed than anything that has been written before. And as with numerous other ISGP articles, basic Wikipedia entries were created soon after this (original) article was published. Just a couple of years ago, you wouldn't be able to find 10 percent of the information on the Pilgrims that is provided here. Keep that in mind when someone argues, "The Pilgrims are mentioned on Wikipedia, so what's the secret?". The secrets probably are that a complete analysis will prove that A) Yes, an Anglo-American establishment, including an Eastern Establishment, has existed for a very long time; and B) that a truly awful amount of influence is concentrated within this group.

"There are several curious things about these Pilgrims functions. In the first place there is present at these dinners an array of notables such as it would be difficult to bring together under one roof for any other purpose and by any other society... Among the guests were John D. Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan, Thomas W. Lamont and other members of the House of Morgan... We are entitled to know what the Pilgrim Society is, what it stands for, and who these powerful Pilgrims are that can call out the great to hear a British Ambassador expound to Americans the virtues of a united democratic front."

- John T. Whiteford asking very reasonable questions in his 1940 pamphlet 'Sir Uncle Sam: Knight of the British Empire'.

"[The aim of the international bankers was] nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was

to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences."

- Professor Carroll Quigley, 'Tragedy & Hope', p. 324. Can the Pilgrims, which Quigley never mentioned, verify his story of an Anglo-American Establishment? The Pilgram society link above looks at this issue and concludes -yes.

Personal websites even ones with august names that don't document their claims are NOT evidence and even so the extract doesnt say that Morgan is a British tool

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One has to really think about the term MORON.

Why, it is unambiguous.

The title of the BOOK and what he said should be a clue. Quigley said he supported the ANGLO/AMERICAN federation power base to control world affairs. He called it HOPE-the hope for the world. Per Quigley,the TRAGEDY is that they are keeping it (their ongoing) conspiracy for supreme world domination SECRET. If someone really had high intelligence (or even average intel) he/she would at least think about the title of a book they claim to have insight.Quigley's ongoing conspiracy takes us to at least 1965.

The passage you cited, as you pointed our, refered to the early 1900's Quigley provided nothing but his sayso in support of his claims. With in a few years of the book's publication he said that people saying it spelled out a conspiracy were taking him out of context.

Timothy Geithner takes us to today. SEE BELOW.

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The Morgan group is part of Pilgram Society,which is part of a British Dominated conspiracy. see link

http://www.isgp.eu/organisations/Pilgrims_Society02.htm

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The Pilgrims Society | Membership list

A study of the Anglo-American Establishment

Note: To avoid some confusion, this is the first article ever that did a complete analysis of the Pilgrims Society and made photocopies of membership lists available. The story that comes out here is one that is infinitely more detailed than anything that has been written before. And as with numerous other ISGP articles, basic Wikipedia entries were created soon after this (original) article was published. Just a couple of years ago, you wouldn't be able to find 10 percent of the information on the Pilgrims that is provided here. Keep that in mind when someone argues, "The Pilgrims are mentioned on Wikipedia, so what's the secret?". The secrets probably are that a complete analysis will prove that A) Yes, an Anglo-American establishment, including an Eastern Establishment, has existed for a very long time; and B) that a truly awful amount of influence is concentrated within this group.

"There are several curious things about these Pilgrims functions. In the first place there is present at these dinners an array of notables such as it would be difficult to bring together under one roof for any other purpose and by any other society... Among the guests were John D. Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan, Thomas W. Lamont and other members of the House of Morgan... We are entitled to know what the Pilgrim Society is, what it stands for, and who these powerful Pilgrims are that can call out the great to hear a British Ambassador expound to Americans the virtues of a united democratic front."

- John T. Whiteford asking very reasonable questions in his 1940 pamphlet 'Sir Uncle Sam: Knight of the British Empire'.

"[The aim of the international bankers was] nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was

to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences."

- Professor Carroll Quigley, 'Tragedy & Hope', p. 324. Can the Pilgrims, which Quigley never mentioned, verify his story of an Anglo-American Establishment? The Pilgram society link above looks at this issue and concludes -yes.

Personal websites even ones with august names that don't document their claims are NOT evidence and even so the extract doesnt say that Morgan is a British tool

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Len if a MORON uses the term "MORON" said term lives in the world of the ambiguous.

++++++++++++++++ It was and is ongoing. How could Quigley say that (per conspiracy) "for much of my life, I have been close to it,and to many of its instruments." ,if he was talking about 1900 ? Obvious you got that one wrong. Funny you didnt quote the Pilgram president list that shows recent and powerful people are part of this nor the list of Pilgram members showing high Morgan affiliation. Strawman argument picker. Golly POT/KETTLE/BLACK. see pg 822 in link for Quigley quote.

http://books.google.com/books?id=qMIDrggs8TsC&pg=PA822&lpg=PA822&dq=ongoing+conspiracy+%22quigley+%22&source=bl&ots=tehjU_wlx5&sig=gs7CsH5u68dHFiH3zt3M4KN06q8&hl=en&ei=kVk6TL6-LYaUnQeSjYn-Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=20&ved=0CGMQ6AEwEw#v=onepage&q=quigley&f=false

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