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The original topic of the "Lifton Attacks Fetzer" thread was Fetzer's angry response to David Lifton's complaint that Fetzer had endorsed and read on air an anti-Semitic book. Unfortunately that thread has become hopelessly cluttered with other issues including book royalties and a man who wears a dress and thinks he is the messiah. So I started this one which hopefully will remain on point. The justification for the title is that the view of history in two of the chapters Fetzer read as well as some the articles of the cite he was involved with and continues to endorse are similar to that of Hitler's infamous book.

Colby may be even less credible than Lifton or Thompson, astonishingly. There is nothing anti-Semitic about what I have endorsed,

incluiding Eric Hufschmid's PAINFUL QUESTIONS or the web site, http://rediscover911.com. I have posted quite a few articles from that site…

How dense can the good professor be? He perused the Rediscover 9/11 site and found no evidence of anti-Semitism? If he looked at the article list on the right margin of every page on the site he would have seen these very obviously anti-Jewish titles:

How World Jewry Pushed America Into WWII

http://rediscover911.com/2010/07/how-world-jewry-pushed-america-into-wwii/

Jews Posing as Muslims

http://rediscover911.com/2010/05/jews-posing-as-muslims/

Michel Friedman and the Jewish Crimocracy

http://rediscover911.com/2010/03/michel-friedman-and-the-jewish-crimocracy/

And spent minimal effort he would have discovered these articles, while their titles arem’t obviously anti-Semitic their content is:

Connecting The Zionist Dots

http://rediscover911.com/2010/06/connecting-the-zionist-dots/

Why Are We Unable to Resist?

http://rediscover911.com/2010/04/why-are-we-unable-to-resist/

Who did 9/11?

http://rediscover911.com/who-did-911/

Dual Citizenship–Loyal to Whom?

[Falsely claims that virtually every Jewish member of the Bush administration, as well as some Christians the author believed were Jewish, “are dual American-Israeli citizens” compared a (supposed) Israeli-American serving in the government to “a Japanese citizen serving in the Pentagon during WWII…[or] a citizen of the Soviet Union holding a cabinet position in the White House during the Cold War”

As far as I can tell NONE of the cited people are dual nationals. Since Fetzer excerpted the list in two of his essays I challenge him to provide any evidence the individuals he cited are indeed dual nationals

http://rediscover911.com/2010/06/dual-citizenship-loyal-to-whom/

Fetzer’s claim, “there is nothing anti-Semitic about what I have endorsed” would of course have to apply to the book Stranger than Fiction which he enthusiastically endorsed on his radio show and called “an important book” before reading some of its most offensive chapters, then interviewed the author on a another show and rebroadcast both shows. He endorsed it 8 times on this forum [see links below].

The books take on European history is not very different than Hitler’s. Among other things it alleges Jews are responsible for

-prolonging WWI by 2 years

-the US's entry into the war AND

-undermining the morale of the German's leading to the defeat of the axis

-the harsh conditions of the Versailles treaty AND

-economic problems in Germany and thus the rise of Hitler

-Pearl Harbor and the US entry into WWII.

The book approvingly quoted infamous anti-Semites like Charles Lindbergh, Henry Ford and even Hitler. It is no exaggeration to say the its summary of history 1914 - 45 is straight Nazi. If anyone wants to hear Fetzer reading the most offensive parts of the book all they have to do is click on the link below and fast forward to 21:15 for the chapter about WWI and 43:15 for the one concerning WWII. I won't dignify that crap or debase this forum by posting excerpts here, but there is little to distinguish the historical narrative from that presented in Mien Kampf and other Nazi/neo-Nazi tracts.

I fully expect condemnation from Fetzer’s supporters including a moderator, I request however that people actually read (or listen to) the book chapters and articles before doing so.

The book can be read in its entirety here, once again the most offensive chapters are the ones about the world wars:

http://saveourwetlands.org/strangerzionism.htm

Fetzer reads from Stranger than Fiction:

http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim%20fetzer%20real%20deal-stranger%20than%20fiction.mp3

Fetzer endorses the book on the Forum:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15559&view=findpost&p=190947

“Lifton seems to be upset that I have endorsed a book, STRANGER THAN FICTION”

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16026&view=findpost&p=194447

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16026&view=findpost&p=194473

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16026&view=findpost&p=194503

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16026&view=findpost&p=194579

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16026&view=findpost&p=194603

“I am confident he has never read STRANGER than FICTION either. His allegations of anti-Semitism appear to be calculated to justify him in not repaying my loans!”

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16026&view=findpost&p=198131

“Lifton claims to be knowledgeable about the history of Israel and Zionism. Well, if that is the case, then he should endorse a book like STRANGER than FICTION..."

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16026&view=findpost&p=198687

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What is the evidence that Israel or the Mossad was involved in 9-11?

I recall three items off the top of my head. (I haven't studied 9/11 in a while, as I simply got burned out and why get up and ruin every day with it.) Anyone can correct me if I've got the details wrong on any of them.

One, the group of Israelis found celebrating and videotaping the smoking towers (as if they knew there would be something to tape). The moving company they worked for turned out to be a Mossad front, and the owner fled to Israel. The celebrants themselves were jailed for a while and deported.

Two, the NYC office of an Israeli-owned messaging company received a warning of the attacks. (The government presumably traced the source of the electronic warning, but do you think it would tell us who it was?)

Three, one of the largest if not the largest Israeli-owned shipping company moved its HQ out of the WTC a few weeks before the attacks. (Of course, since 9/11 involves a string of coincidences a mile long, this could just be one of them.)

There is also the killing that Larry Silverstein made on the WTC (with Larry himself just happening to have a doctor's appointment on the morning of 9/11, which his wife wouldn't let him cancel even though he pleaded, thus his unusual absence from the WTC). Which raises the question, if Silverstein knew beforehand he could make a killing, how or from whom did he find out?

I thought the Mossad actually sent a warning in advance.

I recall some governments providing vague warnings. Don't remember which ones.

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One, the group of Israelis found celebrating and videotaping the smoking towers (as if they knew there would be something to tape). The moving company they worked for turned out to be a Mossad front, and the owner fled to Israel. The celebrants themselves were jailed for a while and deported.

http://www.911myths....g_israelis.html

Two, the NYC office of an Israeli-owned messaging company received a warning of the attacks. (The government presumably traced the source of the electronic warning, but do you think it would tell us who it was?)

http://www.911myths....html/odigo.html

Three, one of the largest if not the largest Israeli-owned shipping company moved its HQ out of the WTC a few weeks before the attacks. (Of course, since 9/11 involves a string of coincidences a mile long, this could just be one of them.)

http://www.911myths....m_shipping.html

There is also the killing that Larry Silverstein made on the WTC (with Larry himself just happening to have a doctor's appointment on the morning of 9/11, which his wife wouldn't let him cancel even though he pleaded, thus his unusual absence from the WTC). Which raises the question, if Silverstein knew beforehand he could make a killing, how or from whom did he find out?

http://www.911myths....l/windfall.html

If you find any errors or omissions in the website, they'd be very happy to know about it. You can contact them at:

mike@911myths.com

http://www.911myths.com/html/site_faq.html

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What is the evidence that Israel or the Mossad was involved in 9-11?

I recall three items off the top of my head. (I haven't studied 9/11 in a while, as I simply got burned out and why get up and ruin every day with it.) Anyone can correct me if I've got the details wrong on any of them.

One, the group of Israelis found celebrating and videotaping the smoking towers (as if they knew there would be something to tape). The moving company they worked for turned out to be a Mossad front, and the owner fled to Israel. The celebrants themselves were jailed for a while and deported.

Two, the NYC office of an Israeli-owned messaging company received a warning of the attacks. (The government presumably traced the source of the electronic warning, but do you think it would tell us who it was?)

Three, one of the largest if not the largest Israeli-owned shipping company moved its HQ out of the WTC a few weeks before the attacks. (Of course, since 9/11 involves a string of coincidences a mile long, this could just be one of them.)

There is also the killing that Larry Silverstein made on the WTC (with Larry himself just happening to have a doctor's appointment on the morning of 9/11, which his wife wouldn't let him cancel even though he pleaded, thus his unusual absence from the WTC). Which raises the question, if Silverstein knew beforehand he could make a killing, how or from whom did he find out?

I thought the Mossad actually sent a warning in advance.

I recall some governments providing vague warnings. Don't remember which ones.

Fox nooz didn't leave this December, 2001 series of reporting from Carl Cameron up too long, its 4 parts and it loads quicker here, http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/Israeli-Spying-Part-1.htm?q=Israeli-Spying-Part-1.htm

than here..

http://web.archive.org/web/20011215001716/http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40684,00.html

Carl Cameron Investigates Part 1

FNC

Carl Cameron

Friday, December 14, 2001

..CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Since Sept. 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.

There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9/11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are "tie-ins." But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, "evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."

Fox News has learned that one group of Israelis, spotted in North Carolina recently, is suspected of keeping an apartment in California to spy on a group of Arabs who the United States is also investigating for links to terrorism. Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to Sept. 11, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States...

Cryptome provides some text from the other three reports in the series, plus other info...

http://cryptome.org/fox-il-spy.htm

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/business/how-do-the-powerful-families-affect-your-life-1.303126

Latest update 01:36 21.07.10

How do the powerful families affect your life?

An unusual conference in Tel Aviv sought to answer that very question for an unusual crowd on Tuesday.

I have a "thing" about gross wealth inequity and the power it buys. IMO, Israel has become an oligarchy where less than 25 families control a huge amount of that nation's wealth and political policies. Three years ago, this was aggravated further because Israel had the fastest rate of growth of the number of millionaires in the world, per capita.

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What is the evidence that Israel or the Mossad was involved in 9-11?

I recall three items off the top of my head. (I haven't studied 9/11 in a while, as I simply got burned out and why get up and ruin every day with it.) Anyone can correct me if I've got the details wrong on any of them.

One, the group of Israelis found celebrating and videotaping the smoking towers (as if they knew there would be something to tape). The moving company they worked for turned out to be a Mossad front, and the owner fled to Israel. The celebrants themselves were jailed for a while and deported.

Two, the NYC office of an Israeli-owned messaging company received a warning of the attacks. (The government presumably traced the source of the electronic warning, but do you think it would tell us who it was?)

Three, one of the largest if not the largest Israeli-owned shipping company moved its HQ out of the WTC a few weeks before the attacks. (Of course, since 9/11 involves a string of coincidences a mile long, this could just be one of them.)

There is also the killing that Larry Silverstein made on the WTC (with Larry himself just happening to have a doctor's appointment on the morning of 9/11, which his wife wouldn't let him cancel even though he pleaded, thus his unusual absence from the WTC). Which raises the question, if Silverstein knew beforehand he could make a killing, how or from whom did he find out?

I thought the Mossad actually sent a warning in advance.

I recall some governments providing vague warnings. Don't remember which ones.

Fox nooz didn't leave this December, 2001 series of reporting from Carl Cameron up too long, its 4 parts and it loads quicker here, http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/Israeli-Spying-Part-1.htm?q=Israeli-Spying-Part-1.htm

than here..

http://web.archive.org/web/20011215001716/http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40684,00.html

Carl Cameron Investigates Part 1

FNC

Carl Cameron

Friday, December 14, 2001

..CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Since Sept. 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.

There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9/11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are "tie-ins." But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, "evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."

Fox News has learned that one group of Israelis, spotted in North Carolina recently, is suspected of keeping an apartment in California to spy on a group of Arabs who the United States is also investigating for links to terrorism. Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to Sept. 11, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States...

Cryptome provides some text from the other three reports in the series, plus other info...

http://cryptome.org/fox-il-spy.htm

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/business/how-do-the-powerful-families-affect-your-life-1.303126

Latest update 01:36 21.07.10

How do the powerful families affect your life?

An unusual conference in Tel Aviv sought to answer that very question for an unusual crowd on Tuesday.

I have a "thing" about gross wealth inequity and the power it buys. IMO, Israel has become an oligarchy where less than 25 families control a huge amount of that nation's wealth and political policies. Three years ago, this was aggravated further because Israel had the fastest rate of growth of the number of millionaires in the world, per capita.

Oh yes the art student scam stupidity. Why exactly would the Mossad want to penetrate the DEA’s Flower Mound, Texas office? And how would that be tied to foreknowledge or complicity in 9/11?

http://911myths.com/html/israeli_art_student_spies.html

Already debated extensively here

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7533

How is the concentration of wealth in Israel relevant to the topic of this thread or Jim’s question (Tom try and keep your reply under 100,000 words)

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Because I found it so offensive I did not want to excerpt Stranger than Fiction, but it seems that no one read it so I’ll post some passages here. Though the parts about WWII are worse than those about WWI I’ll excerpt the offending passages in chronological order.

Just for clarification the text was written by “Pastore” not Fetzer but since the latter - read it on air twice, has repeatedly heaped praise on it and including labeling it as “highly objective, historically accurate, and non-ideological” and challenged me “to show that this book is not historically accurate” and justify my classification of “its take on history from 1915 - 1941 is straight Nazi” – I feel fully justified in saying that “Pastore and Fetzer” endorsed various positions.

In the chapter about WWI Pastore and Fetzer blame Jews for:

• Extending WWI by two years

• Dragging the US into the war AND

• Undermining the German war effort from with in

• Thus bringing about the defeat of the Axis as well as for

• the harsh conditions of the Versailles Treaty:

What we need to understand is that the Zionists played an important role in dragging the USA into that bloody European war - a war in which the US had no vital interests at stake whatsoever.

Here was the situation. By 1916, the Germans, Austrians, and Ottoman Turks had seemingly won the war. Russia was in turmoil and about to be swallowed up by communist revolution. France had suffered horrible losses, and Britain was under a German U-boat blockade. Germany made an offer to Britain to end the war under conditions favorable to Britain. But the British, and the international Zionists, had one more card to play!

The British government and the Zionist leaders struck a dirty deal. The Zionists were led by Chaim Weizmann, the man who one day become the first President of the State of Israel. The idea was for the Zionists to use their influence to drag the mighty USA into the war on Britain’s side, so that Germany and it’s Ottoman allies could be crushed. In exchange for helping to bring the USA into the war, the British would reward the Zionists by taking over Palestine from the conquered Ottomans after the war was over. The British had originally wanted to give the Zionists a Jewish homeland in an African territory. But the Zionists were fixated on claiming Palestine as their land. Once under British control, the Jews of Europe would be allowed to immigrate to Palestine in great numbers.

Zionists powerbrokers such as Bernard Baruch, Louis Brandeis, Paul Warburg, Jacob Schiff, and many others immediately went to work to put the screws to President Woodrow Wilson. The Zionist influenced press, quickly transformed the German Kaiser and his people into bloodthirsty “Huns”, determined to destroy civilization. In 1916, the US, with the help of the Lusitania “incident”, entered the war on Britain’s side under the ridiculous pretext of “making the world safe for democracy”. Overnight, a slick propaganda campaign transformed the Germans into bloodthirsty “Huns” bent on destroying western civilization. “Beat Back the Hun” declared Fred Strothman’s famous propaganda poster, - a slogan which became a rallying cry of “patriotic” Americans.

Meanwhile in Germany - where Zionists also wielded tremendous influence in the press and industry- enthusiasm for the war was suddenly watered down by Zionist run newspapers. Wartime labor-strikes in German weapons factories were organized by Zionist and Marxist union leaders. With the German branch of the International Zionist Mafia undermining Germany from within, and the English and American branches of the Zionist mafia pushing America to join the war, it wasn’t long before the German, Austrian, and Ottoman Empires were defeated and their maps rewritten by the victorious powers at the infamous Treaty of Versailles in 1918. In addition to the numerous Zionist bankers who were influencing Versailles, the Zionists also had their own delegation which was headed by Chaim Weizmann.

Fetzer will of course hide behind the fig leaf that the text refers to Zionists rather than Jews but the text he read blames a group of powerful American Jews for pushing America into WWI and various German Jews for creating unrest there and other Jews for making a corrupt bargain with the British and another for “influencing Versailles”. Latter I will show just how obviously false that fig leaf was.

The author provided no citations for his claims and was so ignorant of history (or intentionally deceptive) that he got his facts wrong. The Lusitania was sunk in 1915 and the US entered the war in 1917. It entered because of the infamous Zimmerman Telegram and because the Germans continued sinking US ships traveling to Britain. Even 1st grade math seems to be beyond the author’s abilities “Great Britain issued the Balfour Declaration in November 1917…This was the first step in creating what was to later become the state of Israel 20 years later” [1948 - 1917 = 31]

Although Brandies was indeed a Zionist the other Jews cited above were not making the fig leaf even thinner. In his review of a Baruch biography a University of Illinois history professor wrote “Although not a Zionist, he contributed his money and his influence to Zionist causes.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&q=+"Although+not+a+Zionist,+he+contributed+his+money+and+his+influence"&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2701806

Hunter College/CUNY Graduate School history professor Naomi Wiener Cohen summarized Schiff’s views as follows in her biography of the banker:

As an immediate refuge, Palestine was impractical; as a permanent solution to the problem of persecution, it was downright harmful. Furthermore, a focus on Palestine might erroneously link him with political Zionism. Worse, it was likely to step on sensitive toes, Christian as well as Jewish, and thereby overshadow the very objective of an apolitical refugee. In Schiff’s calculations, Zionism, inherently wrong, undercut the chances of other refuges. Not only did it restrictionist sentiment against the immigration of Jews to America, but it weakened the appeal to Jews of any territorialist solution.

The banker’s stand on Zionism underwent significant modification before the outbreak of World War I. Although he remained opposed to the idea of statehood or any form of Jewish political autonomy, a growing interest in Palestinian cultural and philanthropic institutions turned him into a non-Zionist. Slowly, he came to see a positive good in a Jewish Palestine. Meanwhile, his antipathy to political Zionism was fueled by an entirely different matter, that of leadership. Since American Zionists linked the aim of nationalism with democracy, they soon posed an increasingly serious challenge to his control of the Jewish community.

http://books.google.com/books?id=fpIOia8QxyYC&pg=PA174&dq="as+an+immediate+refuge"&hl#v=onepage&q=%22as%20an%20immediate%20refuge%22&f=false

According to a review of a book about the Warburgs on the neo-Nazi site IHR:

"Weizmann worked very hard to win Warburg family support for the establishment of a Jewish state there. The Warburgs were skeptical of Zionism, though, fearing that a Jewish state would supplant the traditional organizations, which they headed, as the nexus of Jewish political power. To reassure the reluctant Warburgs, Weizmann told them that the term “Jewish state” was only meant metaphorically."

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n5p33_Weir.html

So just why did Fetzer accept the undocumented claims of an anonymous author who can’t get his facts (or math) straight? My guess is that it is because “Pastore” touched on the good professor’s pre-existing prejudices.

As bad and inaccurate as the chapter on WWI was it was nowhere nearly as offensive as the one about WWII which made no mention of the Holocaust and justified many of Hitler’s actions. In this chapter Pastore and Fetzer claim that Jews were responsible for:

• German’s defeat in WWI

• The reparations the country had to pay the allies

• The rise of Hitler

• The beginning of WWII AND

• Pearl Harbor

They justified:

• Nazi discrimination against the Jews AND

• Hitler’s invasions of Poland, Norway, Holland, and Belgium

The German people were bitterly resentful of not only the Zionist role in bringing about their defeat in World War I, but also over the brutal monetary reparations which had been imposed upon them by certain Zionist bankers who helped craft the brutal Treaty of Versailles after the war. Stripped of formerly German territory, and with the German economy in ruins, the people of Germany elected Adolf Hitler as their Chancellor. Hitler and the Nazi party soon seized control of the German media, banks, and universities away from the influential Zionists who had reigned supreme in those institutions.

The sentence above is where the “anti-Zionist” fig leaf fell completely, all Jews regardless of whether or not they were Zionists were forced out of “German media, banks, and universities” disgustingly Fetzer who continuously makes so much of being a champion of free speech and progressive “scholar” and who has been involved in academia for over 50 years gave his stamp of approval to racial discrimination in higher education in other fields.

Almost immediately, Zionists all over the world began to agitate for action against Germany. Boycotts of German imports were imposed and calls for the UK and USA to take immediate action against Germany began to emanate from Zionist circles. On March 24, 1933, The Daily Express of England carried the bold headline; “Judea Declares War on Germany. Jews of All the World Unite in Action“.1 The front page story revealed that the Zionists had announced a concerted worldwide effort to isolate Germany and turn other nations against her.

The following year, Zionist political leader Vladimir Jabotinksy wrote:

"The fight against Germany has now been waged for months by every Jewish community, on every continent...We shall start a spiritual and material war of the world against Germany. Our Jewish interests call for the complete destruction of Germany" 2

Incredibly Pastore faulted Jews around the world for being against Hitler’s regime and Fetzer seems to agree fully! What Pastore failed to note was that the Daily Mail article indicated the planned boycott was in reaction to “the Nazi onslaught on the Jews” “the German persecutors of their co-religionists” and “campaign of violence and suppression directed against its Jewish minority” etc. Philosophy professor Berel Lang wrote that the “widespread but largely uncoordinated” boycott “was initiated then quickly abandoned in March 1933” Before the boycott the Nazis had promoted at least two riots with Jewish victims (on Feb 12 and March 9 – 10), a Nazi weakly newspaper whose motto is “The Jews are our misfortune” was declared an the official organ of the party.

http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/british/daily-express/judea-declares-war

http://books.google.com/books?id=-bQ_I1xx5doC&pg=PA132

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Chronology_1933.html

After the boycott but before Jabotinksy’s (supposed) essay anti-Jewish acts included:

• April 7 – “banning Jews and other non-Aryans from the practice of law and from jobs in the civil service”

• April 11 – “employment and economic sanctions against Jews”

• April 25 – Restriction of enrolment of Jews in “German Schools and Schools of Higher Education”

• April 27 – Kosher slaughter of animals banned

• May 10 – “Books deemed of “un-German spirit,” most of them Jewish, are burned…More than 20,000 volumes are destroyed”

• July 14 - Eastern European Jews and Gypsies loose their citizenship. The Nazi party (from which Jews are banned) declared the only legal party in Germany.

• September 22 – “German Jews are banned from the fields of journalism, art, literature, music, broadcasting, and theater.”

• September 29 – “Hitler approves the decree forbidding German Jews from the occupation of farming”

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Chronology_1933.html

I am not even sure Jabotinksy actually wrote what Pastore and Fetzer claim he did, the only Google hits were to neo-Nazi and other anti-Semitic forums, blog, sites etc.

A few years later, Lord Beaverbrook, a British newspaper magnate issued this warning about the Zionist influence over the British press. Beaverbrook warned:

"There are 20,000 German Jews who have come here to England. They all work against an agreement with Germany. The Jews have got a big position in the press here. Their political influence is driving us into the direction of war." 3

In September of 1939, Germany and Poland went to war over disputed territory that was taken away from Germany by the Versailles Treaty of 1918. Under the phony pretext of protecting Poland, Great Britain and France immediately declared war on Germany (conveniently ignoring the fact that the Soviet Union had invaded Poland too). Germany pleaded with Britain and France (the Allies) to withdraw their war declarations but to no avail. The Allies continued their massive military buildup along Germany’s western frontiers. In the spring of 1940, the war in the West began when Germany launched pre-emptive invasions of Norway, Holland, and Belgium, pinning the British and French forces on the beaches of Belgium. Beaverbrook’s prediction was realized.

So according to Pastore and his most prominent cheerleader the Jews not just the Zionist ones rather than Hitler were responsible for WWII and the Furher’s invasion of his neighbors was fully justified. Despite their allegation that “protecting Poland” was a “phony pretext” Britain and France had publicly pledged their support to Poland months before the Nazi’s invaded, though some leaders wanted to go war against the USSR that obviously not feasible at the time. Their revision spin ignores that:

• Hitler spelled out his territorial aims in Mein Kampf

• his regime had already taken over Austria and Czechoslovakia (including its non-German areas)

• The Nazis completely divided Poland with the Soviets as agreed in the 1938 and did not merely re-concur West Prussia.

• The territory had changed hands a few times, before the 1790’s it belonged to Poland, some areas were majority German other were majority Polish.

In the United States, the Zionist Mafia again went to work on a US president. The names of the players had changed but the game was still the same. Baruch was still pulling presidential strings along with other Zionist “advisors” like Henry Morgenthau and Harold Ickes.

[...]

Because of strong public anti-war sentiment, FDR and his Zionist handlers had a very difficult time dragging the US into the European war. Then another “incident” occurred at Pearl Harbor in 1941. Japan and Germany were bound to a mutual defense agreement, which meant that war with Japan would automatically mean war with Germany. FDR embargoed Japan’s oil supply in the hopes of forcing Japan to attack Pearl Harbor. Overwhelming evidence from government documents clearly shows that FDR had advance knowledge of the Japanese attack and allowed it to happen so that he could drag the US into World War II

I don’t believe theories that FDR maneuvered Japan into war or that he knew beforehand about Pearl Harbor but that is outside the scope of this thread. I challenge Fetzer to present evidence that Jews eeer ‘Zionists’ were responsible for these supposed plots. A few corrections need to be made to the above: 1) Ickes was neither Jewish nor a Zionist, in response to Nazi persecution he proposed a Jewish homeland in Alaska. 2) Baruch still was not very much of a Zionist 3) Though Morgenthau was friends with FDR and a member of his cabinet he was far from all powerful. Even after the Nazis genocide became clear to the Allies he had a hard time and was not always successful in getting the US government to aid Jews in occupied Europe**.

* http://www.jstandard.com/content/item/A_Thanksgiving_plan_to_save_Europes_Jews/

** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Jr.#Jewish_refugees

So yes my description of these chapters of “Pastore’s” book as racist was accurate and Fetzer hyperactive promotion and defense of them highly offensive. The only reason I can fathom for the latter is that the pseudonymous author touched on the arrogant professor’s pre-existing prejudices.

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Pat Speer wrote:

I mean, do you really see him as deliberately embracing a Nazi "take" on history? I don't. I mean, if he fully believed this stuff, he would be proud that people find it so offensive, and see it as further proof that "Jews" have been undermining our thought processes through their relentless propaganda. He would have blamed it on the Jewish media, etc. That's the normal playbook. But instead, he keeps insisting that he's not anti-Semitic.

It’s complex Pat, Fetzer seems to be creeping into anti-Semitism via progressive anti-Zionism, Sid Walker, who fortunately has not posted here for a few years told us he went through a similar path and I suspect Fetzer’s friend Kevin Barrett did as well. An increase in anti-Semitism is but one of the many ill effects of Israel’s abusive policies. I don’t think Fetzer wants to own upto his true feelings perhaps least all to himself. He pictures and portrays himself as a progressive and in most cases that accurate. But anti-Semitism is incompatible with such a portrayal. With his current stance he can still tell himself and others ‘I’m anti-Zionist not anti-Semitic’ and his sycophantic followers will buy it.

But even if he would admit his true feelings to himself, I doubt he would advertise it because he is not so “tone deaf” as to fail to realize that would undermine his credibility. As for him “blam[ing] it on the Jewish media”, though I don’t know him doing so himself he gave his full endorsement to “Pastore’s” book which did just that and over the years supported others making the same claim. At least since 2003 and 4 (respectively) he has hosted articles entitled “Is this what happened?” and “The Fatal Flaw”. According to the former:

For at least forty years this group of traitors…has controlled the U.S. government by subversion of its democratic institutions, has manipulated a gullible American population and the political leadership of other countries by the skillful use of propaganda (with the help of shamelessly compliant — and Jewish-dominated — "news" organizations), has ruthlessly exploited the economic resources of the Earth for its own profit…

[…]

…Thus the people of the U.S. had to be hoodwinked into supporting a new "War", and the bogeyman of "militant Arab fundamentalists" (helped greatly by a Jewish-dominated mainstream media…

[…]

Probably she [America] should rein in the domination-obsessed Jewish supremacist elites of Wall Street and media, part company with Israeli apartheid.

The latter made reference to “America's notoriously brainwashed Zionist press” and “…that Jewish claptrap hate crime against Muslims that appeared on NBC the other night”

So he has been receptive to such ideas for a long time. His defense when I brought these articles up on a Yahoo discussion group was that “my web site represents many points of view on many subjects, such as 9/11, where I not only host links to criticisms of the government but also to defenses of the government, where no one could reasonably be expected to endorse them all” But he failed to further respond when I: 1) pointed out that he wrote most of the content on the site and thus presumably endorsed the rest especially when its POV was similar to his and 2) asked him to point out any “defenses of the government” hosted there.

http://www.assassinationscience.com/wtc.html

http://www.assassinationscience.com/TheFatalFlaw.pdf

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FETZERclaimsDEBUNK/message/2079

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FETZERclaimsDEBUNK/message/2102

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FETZERclaimsDEBUNK/messages/2103?viscount=-30&l=1

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Pat Speer wrote:

I mean, do you really see him as deliberately embracing a Nazi "take" on history? I don't. I mean, if he fully believed this stuff, he would be proud that people find it so offensive, and see it as further proof that "Jews" have been undermining our thought processes through their relentless propaganda. He would have blamed it on the Jewish media, etc. That's the normal playbook. But instead, he keeps insisting that he's not anti-Semitic.

It’s complex Pat, Fetzer seems to be creeping into anti-Semitism via progressive anti-Zionism, Sid Walker, who fortunately has not posted here for a few years told us he went through a similar path and I suspect Fetzer’s friend Kevin Barrett did as well. An increase in anti-Semitism is but one of the many ill effects of Israel’s abusive policies. I don’t think Fetzer wants to own upto his true feelings perhaps least all to himself. He pictures and portrays himself as a progressive and in most cases that accurate. But anti-Semitism is incompatible with such a portrayal. With his current stance he can still tell himself and others ‘I’m anti-Zionist not anti-Semitic’ and his sycophantic followers will buy it.

But even if he would admit his true feelings to himself, I doubt he would advertise it because he is not so “tone deaf” as to fail to realize that would undermine his credibility. As for him “blam[ing] it on the Jewish media”, though I don’t know him doing so himself he gave his full endorsement to “Pastore’s” book which did just that and over the years supported others making the same claim. At least since 2003 and 4 (respectively) he has hosted articles entitled “Is this what happened?” and “The Fatal Flaw”. According to the former:

For at least forty years this group of traitors…has controlled the U.S. government by subversion of its democratic institutions, has manipulated a gullible American population and the political leadership of other countries by the skillful use of propaganda (with the help of shamelessly compliant — and Jewish-dominated — "news" organizations), has ruthlessly exploited the economic resources of the Earth for its own profit…

[…]

…Thus the people of the U.S. had to be hoodwinked into supporting a new "War", and the bogeyman of "militant Arab fundamentalists" (helped greatly by a Jewish-dominated mainstream media…

[…]

Probably she [America] should rein in the domination-obsessed Jewish supremacist elites of Wall Street and media, part company with Israeli apartheid.

The latter made reference to “America's notoriously brainwashed Zionist press” and “…that Jewish claptrap hate crime against Muslims that appeared on NBC the other night”

So he has been receptive to such ideas for a long time. His defense when I brought these articles up on a Yahoo discussion group was that “my web site represents many points of view on many subjects, such as 9/11, where I not only host links to criticisms of the government but also to defenses of the government, where no one could reasonably be expected to endorse them all” But he failed to further respond when I: 1) pointed out that he wrote most of the content on the site and thus presumably endorsed the rest especially when its POV was similar to his and 2) asked him to point out any “defenses of the government” hosted there.

http://www.assassinationscience.com/wtc.html

http://www.assassinationscience.com/TheFatalFlaw.pdf

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FETZERclaimsDEBUNK/message/2079

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FETZERclaimsDEBUNK/message/2102

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FETZERclaimsDEBUNK/messages/2103?viscount=-30&l=1

The title of Hitlers first book is MEIN KAMPF...not mien..

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Okay Len, you have made your thoughts clear and given examples for people to consider. I'm going to close this thread now - your point has been made and it's starting to wander into the 9-11 area, not to mention becoming a personal attack.

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