Does the limo slow down?

[Dean Hagerman]

What pre-altered Z-film did Dan Rather watch?

I dont trust him

Edited August 9, 2010 by Dean Hagerman

[Craig Lamson]

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No, I just love watching paul (I don't know how a shadow works) rigby, stick his head up his butt.

He has done a wonderful job of it.

Thanks for the grins.

here's for another 'grin,' Hollyweird could care less where a shadow falls., especially when the ONLY audience for a film is the Warren Commission...

thanks for your futile defense of the indefensible, great for "grins"... carry on!

They don't? Nothing more telling than a shadow falling the wrong way. Can you show us a wrongly place shadow in the Z film?

This should be worth a months worth of grins....

[Craig Lamson]

Bit obsessed with your opponents' bottoms, I can't help noticing.

Nope, just having a bunch of fun watching you being one.

[Robert Harris]

Paul, did you email Lane to see why he said that and on what station the film appeared? Did you ask him if he still believes it?

Did you call the station and ask them? Did you contact UPI?

I presume you did, since I'm sure you consider this important enough to verify your sources. What did they say?

Robert Harris

I did a number of things, Bob, but, for the moment, I'll refrain from boring you with all of the tedious detail.

One avenue of inquiry provided powerful, if indirect, confirmation of my proposition. Without being too cryptic about it - for I made a promise to one respondent which I intend keeping - it's safe to say that sight of the first version of the Z-fake could be almost as injurious to health as witnessing the assassination itself.

A second elicited a mildly amusing reply from an eminent collector in the kinescope field, who irately demanded to know why I didn't just google "Zapruder film" and watch it on-line. I had sent him this:

The Valley Independent, (Monessen, Pennsylvania), Tuesday, November 26, 1963, Page 5

Film Showing Assassination Is Released

NEW YORK (UPI) — United Press International Newsfilm early today was first on the air with exclusive film showing the assassination of President Kennedy.

The film is 16mm enlarged from 8mm. It was shown on a New York City television station.

The sequence, shot by an amateur photographer in Dallas Friday, begins with motorcycle police coming around the corner followed by the Kennedy motorcade.

The President is then seen leaning over when the bullets strike. Mrs. Kennedy puts her right arm around the President and he slumps out of view. The film then shows a Secret Service agent running toward the car.

The film was shown in slow motion and also stopped at key points in the assassination. The scene was shown four times at different speeds and under different magnifications.

Copies have been rushed to United Press Newsfilm clients all over the world.

I forgave him his impatience for the obvious reason.

Ok, I sent off an email to UPI. If they respond I will post their reply, one way or the other.

But tell me, if UPI did release a copy of the Zapruder film to a television network or station, how does that support your claim that it was a forgery?

Edited August 10, 2010 by Robert Harris

[Paul Rigby]

What pre-altered Z-film did Dan Rather watch?

He didn't. The first version - the one he described, at least twice, on both CBS radio and TV, on Monday, 25 November - was no more an accurate record of the assassination than the second.

The original fake was withdrawn early to mid-morning on Tuesday, 26 November, largely, it would appear, due to concerns about the impact of the Parkland doctors' press conference, at which it was stated unequivocally that Kennedy was shot from the front.

The original fake failed to show JFK turning round to account for an entrance wound to the throat. It was therefore suppressed, and a revised fake substituted, one which sought to finesse the issue by depicting the throat wound's impact as taking place behind the street sign.

This attempt to defuse the issue of the throat wound's frontal entrance necessitated major changes: The bullet impacts were moved back down Elm Street, closer to the TSBD, with all the attendant problems that created in the first version's witness alignment etc, most notably on the south curb.

I dont trust him

Quite right - and nor do I. But we don't have to in this instance, for it is not the veracity of the film he saw which is here of primary importance, but the sequence and context.

Remember, Rather offered his first descriptions in the expectation that the film would soon be broadcast. Why would he offer such extended hostages to fortune and credibility in that circumstance?

Our problem is that we view everything through the prism of the much later versions of the films' histories; and not through the record as it unfolded. In short, we read everything backwards, and through the lenses the CIA created for us.

[Paul Rigby]

Features in Zapruder public version 1 (Zpv1) absent from or different to Zapruder public version 2 (Zpv2):

1) Presidential limousine turning left from Houston onto Elm

2) No street sign interposed between camera and President at moment of impact of first bullet

3) Shooting took place further up Elm St towards Overpass, either opposite (or “abreast” of) Zapruder, or beginning at the steps leading up to the grassy knoll

4) Connolly’s white shirt visibly covered in blood following impact of shot

5) JFK’s head went forward in response to impact of head shot

Elements of Zpv1 (1) to (5) described in following:

1) Presidential limousine filmed turning left from Houston onto Elm:

• Abraham Zapruder on WFAA-TV, at 2:10pm CST, November 22, 1963: transcript: http://www.jfk-info.com/wfaa-tv.htm

• Dan Rather, CBS radio & TV, 251163: http://www.i-accuse.com/Rudd_Hotelet.html

• UPI (New York), “Film Showing Assassination Is Released,” The Valley Independent, (Monessen, Pennsylvania), Tuesday, November 26, 1963, Page 5 (description of film shown on WNEW-TV, NY, at 00:46hrs, November 26, 1963)

• Arthur J. Snider (Chicago Daily News Service), “Movies Reconstruct Tragedy,” Fort Worth Star-Telegram, (Evening edition), November 27, 1963, section 2, p.1

• Warren Report (U.S. Government Printing Office (1964), p.98

• Roy Kellerman, 090364 (2WCH91): http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/kellerma.htm

• Mark Lane. Rush to Judgment: A Critique of the Warren Commission’s Inquiry into the Murders of President John F. Kennedy, Officer J. D. Tippit and Lee Harvey Oswald (London: The Bodley Head Ltd., 1966), p.66, footnote 2

2) No street sign interposed between camera and President at moment of impact of first bullet:

• Dallas Morning News, “Photographer Sells Pictures of Assassination for $25,000,” November 24, 1963

• Dan Rather, CBS radio & TV, 251163 (Richard Trask. Pictures of the Pain, p.87): http://www.i-accuse.com/Rudd_Hotelet.html

• Associated Press (Dallas), "Movie Film Depicts Shooting of Kennedy,” Milwaukee Journal, November 26, 1963, part 1, p.3

• UPI (New York), “Film Showing Assassination Is Released,” The Valley Independent, (Monessen, Pennsylvania), Tuesday, November 26, 1963, Page 5 (description of film shown on WNEW-TV, NY, at 00:46hrs, November 26, 1963)

• UPI (Dallas), “Movie Film Shows Murder of President,” Philadelphia Daily News, Tuesday, 26 November 1963, p.3 (4 star edition)

• Express Staff Reporter (New York, Monday), “The Man Who Got the Historic Pictures,” Daily Express, Tuesday, 26 November 1963, p.10

• John Herbers, “Kennedy Struck by Two Bullets, Doctor Who Attended Him Says,” New York Times, November 27, 1963, p.20

• Arthur J. Snider (Chicago Daily News Service), “Movies Reconstruct Tragedy,” Fort Worth Star-Telegram, (Evening edition), November 27, 1963, section 2, p.1

• “The Man Who Killed Kennedy,” Time, December 6, 1963, p.29

• Abraham Zapruder (7WCH571): http://www.jfk-info.com/wc-zapr.htm

• William Manchester, Look magazine, 040467; Death of a President (London: Pan, paperback, 1968), p.234

3) Shooting took place further up Elm St towards Overpass, either opposite (or “abreast” of) Zapruder, or beginning at the steps leading up to the grassy knoll:

• Associated Press (Dallas), "Movie Film Depicts Shooting of Kennedy,” Milwaukee Journal, November 26, 1963, part 1, p.3

• John Herbers, “Kennedy Struck by Two Bullets, Doctor Who Attended Him Says,” New York Times, November 27, 1963, p.20

• Abraham Zapruder, 7WCH571: http://www.jfk-info.com/wc-zapr.htm

• Harold Feldman, “Fifty-one witnesses: The Grassy Knoll,” The Minority of One, March 1965, p.17

• John Herbers, “Kennedy Struck by Two Bullets, Doctor Who Attended Him Says,” New York Times, November 27, 1963, p.20

4) Connolly’s white shirt visibly covered in blood following impact of shot:

• Dan Rather, CBS, Radio & TV, 251163: http://www.etcfilmunit.com/iaccuse.html

5) JFK’s head went forward in response to impact of head shot:

• Dan Rather, CBS, Radio & TV, 251163 (Richard Trask, Pictures of the Pain (Danvers, Mass.: Yeoman Press, 1994, p.87): http://www.etcfilmunit.com/iaccuse.html

• Associated Press (Dallas), "Movie Film Depicts Shooting of Kennedy,” Milwaukee Journal, November 26, 1963, part 1, p.3

• UPI (Dallas), “Movie Film Shows Murder of President,” Philadelphia Daily News, Tuesday, 26 November 1963, p.3 (4 star edition)

• John Herbers, “Kennedy Struck by Two Bullets, Doctor Who Attended Him Says,” New York Times, November 27, 1963, p.20

• Cartha DeLoach, Hoover’s FBI: The Inside Story by Hoover’s Trusted Lieutenant (1995), p.139: http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/the_critics/griffith/Alteration.html

Most of the newspaper articles cited above can be found in the thread Eleven early print descriptions of the Zapruder film: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8953

[Paul Rigby]

Ok, I sent off an email to UPI. If they respond I will post their reply, one way or the other.

I wonder if Arnaud de Borchgrave will answer in person?

In 1978 he told a Covert Action Information Bulletin editor:

… he considered his "key, best sources of information" in the world the heads of "intelligence services in Washington, London, Tel Aviv, and Pretoria, each of which I stay in close contact with." Despite such open reliance on close intelligence ties, de Borchgrave claims coyly nowadays that he spurned two CIA recruitment approaches.

—Louis Wolf, Fred Clarkson, op. cit. p. 35.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Arnaud_de_Borchgrave

But tell me, if UPI did release a copy of the Zapruder film to a television network or station, how does that support your claim that it was a forgery?

It doesn't; and I didn't say it did. What it does tell us is, given the extent of the cover-up, that version 2 is a different version.

The case for the first version also being a forgery is a separate issue.