Veiled threats of violence

[Bernie Laverick]

I demand that the moderators put Francois Carlier on moderation (or better still, ban him from the forum). I refuse to accept veiled threats.

[Jack White]

I demand that the moderators put Francois Carlier on moderation (or better still, ban him from the forum). I refuse to accept veiled threats.

Good idea.

[William Kelly]

Sticks and stones.......

Francois isn't a threat to anybody, unless he hacks the forum, which I don't think he would do.

He may be a little hot headed and narrow minded, but he's not a real threat, like some others are.

When one member tried to have me arrested and fired from my imaginary job as an Atlantic City casino dealer,

none of the moderators came to my aid and I was harrased and threatened for weeks before something was

done, so if you really feel threatened, don't put too much faith in them.

Rather than discuss the issues, when some threads degenerate into name calling there's always the call

to have someone banned or placed on moderation, but cooler heads is all that's required.

BK

[Bernie Laverick]

Sticks and stones.......

Francois isn't a threat to anybody, unless he hacks the forum, which I don't think he would do.

He may be a little hot headed and narrow minded, but he's not a real threat, like some others are.

When one member tried to have me arrested and fired from my imaginary job as an Atlantic City casino dealer,

none of the moderators came to my aid and I was harrased and threatened for weeks before something was

done, so if you really feel threatened, don't put too much faith in them.

Rather than discuss the issues, when some threads degenerate into name calling there's always the call

to have someone banned or placed on moderation, but cooler heads is all that's required.

BK

I suppose you're right Bill...

[David Von Pein]

I demand that the moderators put Francois Carlier on moderation (or better still, ban him from the forum). I refuse to accept veiled threats.

Francois never threatened anybody. You're hilarious, Laverick.

Edited August 19, 2010 by David Von Pein

[Bernie Laverick]

I demand that the moderators put Francois Carlier on moderation (or better still, ban him from the forum). I refuse to accept veiled threats.

Francois never threatened anybody. You're hilarious, Laverick.

I'm slowly concluding, as have many before, that this forum is a complete waste of everyone's precious time. It is totally dominated by utter 'head-the-balls' who are protected and indulged by the moderators. Write the word Nazi (NOT aimed at anyone in particular) and it is removed within seconds. Have another member make a veiled threat and he is simply left untouched. It's a joke!

I have a great suggestion for another moderator, and I'm sure he would be perfect - Gary Mack! Or if Arlen still has a bit of time on his hands....better still.

I have a huge respect for John Simpkin but it saddens me that he is allowing this forum to be infested with such rubbish.

It will never change.

[Bernie Laverick]

I demand that the moderators put Francois Carlier on moderation (or better still, ban him from the forum). I refuse to accept veiled threats.

Francois never threatened anybody. You're hilarious, Laverick.

On the contrary: I believe he is a very dangerous man. He scares the sh*t out of me!

[Guest Gary Loughran]

I'm slowly concluding, as have many before, that this forum is a complete waste of everyone's precious time. It is totally dominated by utter 'head-the-balls' who are protected and indulged by the moderators. Write the word Nazi (NOT aimed at anyone in particular) and it is removed within seconds. Have another member make a veiled threat and he is simply left untouched. It's a joke!

I have a great suggestion for another moderator, and I'm sure he would be perfect - Gary Mack! Or if Arlen still has a bit of time on his hands....better still.

I have a huge respect for John Simpkin but it saddens me that he is allowing this forum to be infested with such rubbish.

It will never change.

Not enough respect to get John's name right! Though I'm sure it was unintentional.

Bernie, if you have a particular issue with something Francois has said regarding a threat please report the post, we will act on it. we did also act on the treatment Bill has mentioned earlier, it seems unbeknownst to Bill, as this tends to be done privately by moderators.

John has a free speech policy which I, all the moderators, and the vast majority of the membership accept, value and have enjoyed over the years. Most moderators still read the forum daily and it is difficult to examine every post for broken rules. We try our best. Due to recent events the forum (John) lost the administrator and Evan, in particular, has taken up the reigns to help out and keep the forum going.

Funnily enough, I closed a different thread recently as it basically defined another member here as Naziesque. The person who created the post was angry his thread was locked - he shares the opposite views to you on almost everything - yet here you are joined in force wanting to use the word Nazi on the forum!!!

As moderators, unlike regular members, we aren't allowed knee jerk reactions to events, yet we have to permit that some things are knee jerk reactions and out of character for that member.

Of course, all our moderation, is subjective and I think mostly fair and reasonable. I hope you can see the big picture and appreciate that the forum is bigger and better for allowing debate and dissent and that, despite how much you or I, might disagree with certain viewpoints there are plenty of other interesting, informative posts to read and reply to.

It is not the fault of this forum that people with views you feel are rubbish post here and, you're right it won't change and I hope it doesn't. Better the enemy you know! I am very comfrotable in my own beliefs, enough to know, that putting the phrase 'any reasonable person would conclude' after pure speculation - still makes it speculation nonetheless.

Perhaps the 'many who went before' will offer you refuge elsewhere if you feel so strongly in your dislike of what we do here. I would hope, though, you remain a valued member.

[David Von Pein]

I have a great suggestion for another moderator, and I'm sure he would be perfect - Gary Mack!

I second that nomination. Gary would make a very good moderator. No doubt about that.

[Bernie Laverick]

I'm slowly concluding, as have many before, that this forum is a complete waste of everyone's precious time. It is totally dominated by utter 'head-the-balls' who are protected and indulged by the moderators. Write the word Nazi (NOT aimed at anyone in particular) and it is removed within seconds. Have another member make a veiled threat and he is simply left untouched. It's a joke!

I have a great suggestion for another moderator, and I'm sure he would be perfect - Gary Mack! Or if Arlen still has a bit of time on his hands....better still.

I have a huge respect for John Simpkin but it saddens me that he is allowing this forum to be infested with such rubbish.

It will never change.

Not enough respect to get John's name right! Though I'm sure it was unintentional.

Bernie, if you have a particular issue with something Francois has said regarding a threat please report the post, we will act on it. we did also act on the treatment Bill has mentioned earlier, it seems unbeknownst to Bill, as this tends to be done privately by moderators.

John has a free speech policy which I, all the moderators, and the vast majority of the membership accept, value and have enjoyed over the years. Most moderators still read the forum daily and it is difficult to examine every post for broken rules. We try our best. Due to recent events the forum (John) lost the administrator and Evan, in particular, has taken up the reigns to help out and keep the forum going.

Funnily enough, I closed a different thread recently as it basically defined another member here as Naziesque. The person who created the post was angry his thread was locked - he shares the opposite views to you on almost everything - yet here you are joined in force wanting to use the word Nazi on the forum!!!

As moderators, unlike regular members, we aren't allowed knee jerk reactions to events, yet we have to permit that some things are knee jerk reactions and out of character for that member.

Of course, all our moderation, is subjective and I think mostly fair and reasonable. I hope you can see the big picture and appreciate that the forum is bigger and better for allowing debate and dissent and that, despite how much you or I, might disagree with certain viewpoints there are plenty of other interesting, informative posts to read and reply to.

It is not the fault of this forum that people with views you feel are rubbish post here and, you're right it won't change and I hope it doesn't. Better the enemy you know! I am very comfrotable in my own beliefs, enough to know, that putting the phrase 'any reasonable person would conclude' after pure speculation - still makes it speculation nonetheless.

Perhaps the 'many who went before' will offer you refuge elsewhere if you feel so strongly in your dislike of what we do here. I would hope, though, you remain a valued member.

On reflection, I guess the big thing to do here is apologise for using the word Nazi. Though I certainly didn't call anyone that I can see that it is a highly charged and highly emotive word and if it caused offence to anyone then I genuinely apologise. And yes, such an outburst is totally out of character.

On the 140 odd posts I have made, even where there are heated disagreements, I have always tried to conduct myself with decent manners and decorum. Just recently Jerry and I had an exchange of views on the Z film: whilst giving no quarter with the issue discussed, we both communicated as adversaries rather than bitter enemies.

But please someone (I may even do it myself) take a trawl over the last few weeks posts by DVP and Francois and do an insult count. Maybe there's some software that can calculate an ‘insult per post ratio’: I guarantee theirs will be the highest.

I made the mistake of dragging myself down to their level and for that I truly apologise. It struck me that while I believe the above mentioned IMO detract from the debate and hinder further learning, then clearly I am just as guilty for rising to the bait.

To DVP and Francois,

We clearly don’t like each other; we will NEVER see eye to eye: Let’s just do the decent thing and stay out of each others’ way, eh?.

For everyone’s sake.

Bernie

[Michael Hogan]

I'm slowly concluding, as have many before, that this forum is a complete waste of everyone's precious time. It is totally dominated by utter 'head-the-balls' who are protected and indulged by the moderators. Write the word Nazi (NOT aimed at anyone in particular) and it is removed within seconds. Have another member make a veiled threat and he is simply left untouched. It's a joke!

I have a great suggestion for another moderator, and I'm sure he would be perfect - Gary Mack! Or if Arlen still has a bit of time on his hands....better still.

I have a huge respect for John Simpkin but it saddens me that he is allowing this forum to be infested with such rubbish.

It will never change.

Not enough respect to get John's name right! Though I'm sure it was unintentional.

Bernie, if you have a particular issue with something Francois has said regarding a threat please report the post, we will act on it. we did also act on the treatment Bill has mentioned earlier, it seems unbeknownst to Bill, as this tends to be done privately by moderators.

John has a free speech policy which I, all the moderators, and the vast majority of the membership accept, value and have enjoyed over the years. Most moderators still read the forum daily and it is difficult to examine every post for broken rules. We try our best. Due to recent events the forum (John) lost the administrator and Evan, in particular, has taken up the reigns to help out and keep the forum going.

Funnily enough, I closed a different thread recently as it basically defined another member here as Naziesque. The person who created the post was angry his thread was locked - he shares the opposite views to you on almost everything - yet here you are joined in force wanting to use the word Nazi on the forum!!!

As moderators, unlike regular members, we aren't allowed knee jerk reactions to events, yet we have to permit that some things are knee jerk reactions and out of character for that member.

Of course, all our moderation, is subjective and I think mostly fair and reasonable. I hope you can see the big picture and appreciate that the forum is bigger and better for allowing debate and dissent and that, despite how much you or I, might disagree with certain viewpoints there are plenty of other interesting, informative posts to read and reply to.

It is not the fault of this forum that people with views you feel are rubbish post here and, you're right it won't change and I hope it doesn't. Better the enemy you know! I am very comfrotable in my own beliefs, enough to know, that putting the phrase 'any reasonable person would conclude' after pure speculation - still makes it speculation nonetheless.

Perhaps the 'many who went before' will offer you refuge elsewhere if you feel so strongly in your dislike of what we do here. I would hope, though, you remain a valued member.

On reflection, I guess the big thing to do here is apologise for using the word Nazi. Though I certainly didn't call anyone that I can see that it is a highly charged and highly emotive word and if it caused offence to anyone then I genuinely apologise. And yes, such an outburst is totally out of character.

On the 140 odd posts I have made, even where there are heated disagreements, I have always tried to conduct myself with decent manners and decorum. Just recently Jerry and I had an exchange of views on the Z film: whilst giving no quarter with the issue discussed, we both communicated as adversaries rather than bitter enemies.

But please someone (I may even do it myself) take a trawl over the last few weeks posts by DVP and Francois and do an insult count. Maybe there's some software that can calculate an ‘insult per post ratio’: I guarantee theirs will be the highest.

I made the mistake of dragging myself down to their level and for that I truly apologise. It struck me that while I believe the above mentioned IMO detract from the debate and hinder further learning, then clearly I am just as guilty for rising to the bait.

To DVP and Francois,

We clearly don’t like each other; we will NEVER see eye to eye: Let’s just do the decent thing and stay out of each others’ way, eh?.

For everyone’s sake.

Bernie

That's a well-reasoned apology Bernie.

One sure way to identify a lightweight is to measure the amount of gratuitous insults they consistently use in attempting to advance or defend their arguments.

It's almost axiomatic that the consistent need to insult groups as a whole, or individuals in particular, demonstrates a sign of weakness, not strength.

Edited August 19, 2010 by Michael Hogan

[Dean Hagerman]

I have a great suggestion for another moderator, and I'm sure he would be perfect - Gary Mack!

I second that nomination. Gary would make a very good moderator. No doubt about that.

I just broke a rib from laughing so hard!

[John Simkin]

I'm slowly concluding, as have many before, that this forum is a complete waste of everyone's precious time. It is totally dominated by utter 'head-the-balls' who are protected and indulged by the moderators. Write the word Nazi (NOT aimed at anyone in particular) and it is removed within seconds. Have another member make a veiled threat and he is simply left untouched. It's a joke!

I have a great suggestion for another moderator, and I'm sure he would be perfect - Gary Mack! Or if Arlen still has a bit of time on his hands....better still.

I have a huge respect for John Simpkin but it saddens me that he is allowing this forum to be infested with such rubbish.

It will never change.

Not enough respect to get John's name right! Though I'm sure it was unintentional.

Bernie, if you have a particular issue with something Francois has said regarding a threat please report the post, we will act on it. we did also act on the treatment Bill has mentioned earlier, it seems unbeknownst to Bill, as this tends to be done privately by moderators.

John has a free speech policy which I, all the moderators, and the vast majority of the membership accept, value and have enjoyed over the years. Most moderators still read the forum daily and it is difficult to examine every post for broken rules. We try our best. Due to recent events the forum (John) lost the administrator and Evan, in particular, has taken up the reigns to help out and keep the forum going.

Funnily enough, I closed a different thread recently as it basically defined another member here as Naziesque. The person who created the post was angry his thread was locked - he shares the opposite views to you on almost everything - yet here you are joined in force wanting to use the word Nazi on the forum!!!

As moderators, unlike regular members, we aren't allowed knee jerk reactions to events, yet we have to permit that some things are knee jerk reactions and out of character for that member.

Of course, all our moderation, is subjective and I think mostly fair and reasonable. I hope you can see the big picture and appreciate that the forum is bigger and better for allowing debate and dissent and that, despite how much you or I, might disagree with certain viewpoints there are plenty of other interesting, informative posts to read and reply to.

It is not the fault of this forum that people with views you feel are rubbish post here and, you're right it won't change and I hope it doesn't. Better the enemy you know! I am very comfrotable in my own beliefs, enough to know, that putting the phrase 'any reasonable person would conclude' after pure speculation - still makes it speculation nonetheless.

Perhaps the 'many who went before' will offer you refuge elsewhere if you feel so strongly in your dislike of what we do here. I would hope, though, you remain a valued member.

On reflection, I guess the big thing to do here is apologise for using the word Nazi. Though I certainly didn't call anyone that I can see that it is a highly charged and highly emotive word and if it caused offence to anyone then I genuinely apologise. And yes, such an outburst is totally out of character.

On the 140 odd posts I have made, even where there are heated disagreements, I have always tried to conduct myself with decent manners and decorum. Just recently Jerry and I had an exchange of views on the Z film: whilst giving no quarter with the issue discussed, we both communicated as adversaries rather than bitter enemies.

But please someone (I may even do it myself) take a trawl over the last few weeks posts by DVP and Francois and do an insult count. Maybe there's some software that can calculate an ‘insult per post ratio’: I guarantee theirs will be the highest.

I made the mistake of dragging myself down to their level and for that I truly apologise. It struck me that while I believe the above mentioned IMO detract from the debate and hinder further learning, then clearly I am just as guilty for rising to the bait.

To DVP and Francois,

We clearly don’t like each other; we will NEVER see eye to eye: Let’s just do the decent thing and stay out of each others’ way, eh?.

For everyone’s sake.

Bernie

That's a well-reasoned apology Bernie.

One sure way to identify a lightweight is to measure the amount of gratuitous insults they consistently use in attempting to advance or defend their arguments.

It's almost axiomatic that the consistent need to insult groups as a whole, or individuals in particular, demonstrates a sign of weakness, not strength.

Exactly. What amazes me about these people is that their "evidence" is nearly always quotes from a couple of non-conspiracy books or websites. They seem incapable of taking part in a reasoned debate. As we say in football (soccer), they seem more interested in playing the man than the ball.

[David Von Pein]

Why not John McAdams.

Yes, indeed. Another excellent suggestion. I'd love it if Prof. McAdams would join this forum. The more LN common sense that can be imparted to combat the outlandishly silly ABO conspiracy theorists who seem to permeate this place--the better.

[Len Colby]

I demand that the moderators put Francois Carlier on moderation (or better still, ban him from the forum). I refuse to accept veiled threats.

Stop being silly you were not threatened he wrote

Laverick, you're beginning to get on my nerves.

It's easy to insult people through a computer. Weak people do that !

I'd like to see you talk in front of me !