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The new board allows formatting to be retained, such as if I copy and paste a section from another page, the original formatting is retained. This can cause a few problems on occassion.

I'll have a look around the board settings and see if there is anything that could help, but in the meantime I might suggest you type up your posts in Word or similar, then copy and paste into the Post field.

Thank You, I usually do that but sometimes ad lib a little after doing so when I am in in the reply to section of the thread, I will heed your advice

and again thanks.


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That brings to mind another occasional work around. I do an intro post, then post it. Then when editing I can add the missing bits.

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That brings to mind another occasional work around. I do an intro post, then post it. Then when editing I can add the missing bits.

Below Edward P. Morgan and his involvment in the Pearl Harbor controversy

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It is safe to say that had Mr Morgan's recommendations been followed upon by the Army and Navy departments prior to Pearl Harbor,

the greatest naval disaster in the history of the country would never have occurred and Japan's striking force would probably have been

ambushed en route to Pearl Harbor rather than completing a successful surprise attack.



A letter from J Edgar Hoover to Edward P Morgan, dated Sept. 25, 1946 thanking him for the "very kind expressions which you placed in my copy of ,"

the confidential report on the attack on Pearl Harbor." He goes on to say that "I take pride in the outstanding ability displayed by one of my

associates in the preparation of this report."

It might do well to recall that one of LBJ's attorneys, stated, according to his son that his father

J Waddy Bullion "knew all about MAGIC."

Also although it is just a possibility, Hoover's "associate" may possibly have been Percy Foxworth

So just who was Percy Foxworth

Percy E. Foxworth was born on 29 November 1906 in Purvis, Mississippi. He received his early education in the grade and high schools of Poplarville and Derby, Mississippi. He attended the Pearl River Junior College for two years and then began his accounting studies at the Walton School of Commerce and the LaSalle Extension University. In 1926 he entered the employ of the Edward Hines Western Pine Company at Poplarville, Mississippi, and later was transferred to the company's offices at Burne, Oregon where he allegedly picked up the nickname "Sam".

Foxworth applied to enter the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) on 21 March 1932. After completing his initial training he was assigned to FBI field offices located at Jacksonville, FL, Oklahoma City, OK, New York City and Washington, D.C. He served as an Administrative Assistant to J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI from 8 April 1935 until June 1939, when he was made Special Agent in Charge of the New York Field Division of the FBI. From June 1940 until 9 April 1941 Foxworth was assigned at the Washington headquarters of the FBI as an Assistant Director in charge of the FBI's New York City Field Office.

Percy E. Foxworth (1906-1943) served as chief of the FBI's Special Intelligence Service (SIS) and as principal liaison with British Security Coordination (BSC). So beloved was he by the British that when he traveled through Latin America between September and December 1940, MI6 stations were ordered to fully cooperate with him along the way.

On January 15, 1943, Foxworth and Special Agent Harold Dennis Haberfeld were killed in a military airplane accident near Paramaribo, Surinam, en route to North Africa at the request of Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower. The cause of the crash of the airplane was never ascertained. Although 35 people were on board the aircraft, search teams were only able to locate sufficient remains to be placed in a single casket, which was returned to the United States five years later and buried in a grave at Jefferson Barracks, Missouri. Following Assistant Director Foxworth's death, a liberty ship named the S.S. P.E. Foxworth, was launched in February, 1943.

Foxworth was killed in the line of duty on 15 January 1943 when his plane crashed in Surinam, Dutch Guiana. The FBI Medal of Honor was given posthumously to Foxworth in 1991.


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Robert, interesting details. I looked around and I found this, it is the official line... The crash of that C-54 army transport, crewed by TWA, was at the time, the largest loss of American lives in one airplane in history.

...Although sabotage was at first feared, later investigation showed the crash was due to mechanical difficulties....

The official line on why the airplane crashed is contradicted here.:


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Also, it looks like another case of British and American establishment penchant for covering up the names of the Nazi sympathizers among them.


Mr Charles Bedaux Output Expert Arrested In North Africa If...

Glasgow Herald - Jan 14, 1943

State, announced in Washington yester day, that Mr Charles bedau friend of the Duke and i Duchess of Windsor; has been arrested in North Africa, ...



Pay-Per-View - The Sun - Feb 20, 1944

"After -Bedaux's arrest the Attor- ney General dispatched Assistant Director Percy S. Foxworth and Special Agent Harold D. Haberfeld, of the Federal Bureau of Investi- gation, to North Africa to make an investigation of the case.


Walter Winchell .

Herald-Journal - Mar 1, 1944

... So dont waste any tears on this lad The suicide of Charles Bedaux wasn t as important as the mysterious rtisappearance so many documents concerning.


37 France, Memos concerning a FBI report on Charles Bedaux, United States industrialist and his possible Nazi connections 1943

After more than a year in custody in North Africa, and a brief period in custody of US Federal agents, how did Bedeaux come into possesssion of "poison", and where is the investigation outcome which attempted to answer that question?

By the way, only in 2010, has the FBI historian been permitted to share this same story as the FBI's version of Foxworth's fatal mission.

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I realized that this is Jim Root's thread, and I started realizing that I may have been a little overzealous in my postings, as a result, and as a sign of my respect for Jim,

I felt the following material might atone for my excitement in posting information that wavered from the thread.

But first, regarding the John Hurt/Oswald issue, I feel strongly that any analysis of that topic, should factor in that one should not look at Hurt as the sole individual

who might have intersected with Oswald. When the Herbert Yardley era ended, it was resurrected by William F Friedman, and there were others who ostensibly

could have facilitated whatever connection possibly existed between Lee Harvey Oswald and the cryptographic world.

Those other people would potentially be.

Possibilities regarding Lee Harvey Oswald and SIS

William Friedman

Six People all hired during 1930, formed the nucleus of the new activity

1. Anne Louise Newkirk Cryptographic Clerk - March 1*

2. Frank B Rowlett Jun. Cyptanalyst - April 1

3. Abraham Sinkow Jun. Cyptanalyst - April 10

4. Solomon Kullback Jun. Cyptanalyst - April 21

5. John B Hurt Cyptanalyst Aide - May 13

6. H Lawrence Clark Cryptographic Clerk - September 2

7. Capt., later Col. Harrod G Miller

8. Lt. L.T. Jones USCG

9. H.F. Bearce

the entire staff (nine people when I arrived in August 1936)

* Mrs Louise Newkirk Nelson [Friedman's secretary full Anne Louise Newkirk ]

It is important to consider that McCloy was appointed Assistant Secretary of War on April 22, 1941, for what are obvious reasons in relation to the above.



John J McCloy is rightfully acknowledged as one of the pre-eminent figures of the 20th century, his resume included among other roles, leadership as the U. S. High Commissioner in the postwar occupation of Germany, a prime member of the Warren Commission, and afterwards his Presidency of the World Bank.

Yet his involvement in issues relating to the Pacific War is also a matter of interest.

The following is a letter which appeared during the US governments examination of the moral and legal issues regarding the forced relocation of the

Nisei, Japanese who were forcibly relocated after the attack on Pearl Harbor, a multi-faceted issue that dealt with such diverse issues as the possibility of an invasion of the West Coast by the Japanese forces after Pearl Harbor was bombed, to the Japanese-American's own safety in Hawaii and the West Coast from the seething anger of the American people of whom Pearl Harbor was the "9-11" of their day.



NEW YORK, N.Y. 10005

July 20, 1983

Dear Senator:

I understand that the subcommittee, of which you are Chairman, is to meet on July 27 in Washington on matters in which I am deeply interested as a citizen of the United States and as the former Assistant Secretary of War during the Franklin D. Roosevelt administration when the Japanese war was taking place.

I was in the War Department on the "Day of Infamy" on December 7, 1941 and I believe I was the highest senior civilian official there at the time of the attack. I have testified before the commission which was appointed by President Carter to look into the circumstances surrounding the steps which were taken by our government following the attack to offset the consequences of the loss of almost our entire Pacific Battle Fleet and its installations on that day.

Only as this commission was about to close its hearings, was I called upon to appear before it in regard to the relocation program which had been ordered by President Roosevelt. By that time, a great head of steam had been built up by news accounts of the hearings largely inspired by the lobbyists. From my personal experience, at the hearings of the commission, I believe its conduct was an horrendous affront to our tradition for fair and objective hearings. It constituted a serious affront to that tradition. Whenever I sought in the slightest degree to justify the action of the United States which was ordered by President Roosevelt, my testimony was met with hisses and boos such as I have never, over an experience extending back to World War I, been heretofore subjected to. Others had similar experiences. I do not have the means or the resources to call witnesses or produce evidence in support of the action taken by the President of the United States and his advisors but I was there at the time and it became clear from the outset of my testimony that the commission was not at all disposed to conduct an objective investigation of the circumstances which induced the President of the United States to issue the order which he did and as to the significance and purpose of which he was fully aware. The commission was, in effect, one erected to build up a case against the propriety of such an order and the manner in which it had been carried out. No current officials of the government, so far as I have heard, were ever called on to produce evidence in support of the action which the President and his advisors took in their good judgment as to what the consequences of the attack demanded. Nor were any called to produce any information from the records of the government as to the motivation for the order.

Bland statements have been repeated by the commission to the effect that not a single case of proven sabotage or disloyalty had been produced either before or after the attack which would justify the propriety of the relocation. The fact of the matter is that this evidence was not sought. Anything which could be educed to show the reasonableness of the precautions taken by the President produced these demonstrations or were later called "irrelevant" by the chair. Comparisons between the manner in which the ethnic Japanese/Americans were treated in contrast to the manner in which Japanese ethnics were treated in the rest of the world including Canada were also declared irrelevant. The fact that the members of the Pacific Fleet who were on their ships at the time of the attack and whose bodies are still entombed in their vessels at the bottom of the Harbor were never adequately compensated for their suffering and death was also called "irrelevant." The extensive amenities made available to the relocatees in the camps and elsewhere were also deemed "irrelevant."

I may not be in a position now to cite chapter and verse this long after the event but given the same amount of money that this commission had to make its case and with the paid staffs at its disposal, I could readily have produced supporting evidence of the threats which then faced the nation. I could go on and on giving evidence of what I consider to have been the wholly one-sided nature of the commission's hearings. It would have presumably been quite as simple for an objective examiner of the commission to have dug up again the so-called "MAGIC" revelations as it was for Mr. Mohr, a reporter on the NEW YORK TIMES to do so.

It is little wonder that this information caused consternation among the commission as well as in the editorial offices of Mohr's paper and the feeble attempts now being made by the commission itself to discount his research is quite revealing. The truth is really that this commission simply does not know whether there were any acts of sabotage or frustrated acts of sabotage committed on the West Coast.

I have been asked whether I would be prepared to testify before your committee. I, of course, would be. I cannot be there on July 27 or 28 as I have a long standing commitment with my family but I can certainly find a date convenient to your committee and myself shortly thereafter.

Very truly yours,

(signed John McCloy)


Senator Charles E. Grassley

Subcommittee to the Senate Judiciary Committee

in charge of Administrative Practice & Procedure

Senate Office Building

Washington, D.C. 20310


In a footnote to the era after the JFK Assassination, McCloy was also the author of

The Great Oil Spill: The Inside Report Gulf Oil's Bribery & Political Chicanery - John J. McCloy/Nathan Pearson/Beverly Matthews - Chelsea House - 1976

The book in itself, offers a succinct look at the topic in utter detail, regarding the SEC investigation of Gulf Oil, founded by the Mellon family of Pittsburgh, an investigation

that was something of a result of revelations stemming from the Watergate Scandal.

Robert: So, there is a question that has to be asked, although the SEC investigation of Gulf Oil was obviously not a witch hunt, in any sense of the word, the investigation revealed a whole slew of nefarious activities, of which the discovery of a secret fund in Nassau, called the Bahamas Ex, Fund was key. The question is could there have been a "between the lines" payback

mentality re the assassination of JFK and an opportunity to tar some of those who were involved, whether actively, or in a

cover-up as a bizarre perk that came with revealing the accumulated dirt on Gulf Oil?

That Fund held profits that were funneled to politicians foreign and domestic and recipients ultimately included such noteworthy figures as former President Nixon,

Robert and Harry C Byrd, the Bush for Senate Committee in 1970, the Committee to Re-Elect Gerald Ford and the Committee to Re-Elect Barry Goldwater,

although in all fairness the lists included in the books appendices also included Democratic politicians as well.

Robert A. Caro points out in Lyndon Johnson: Master of the Senate, that this [bobby Baker] corruption was organized by close political associates such as John Connally, Ed Clark, Cliff Carter, Walter Jenkins, Tommy Corcoran and Jesse Kellam. Caro argues that this money often came from the armaments or oil industries. George and Herman Brown, the co-owners of Brown & Root (Halliburton) were probably his main suppliers of money. Caro also quotes Claude Wild, chief lobbyist of the Gulf Oil Corporation, of having the task of paying Johnson, via Walter Jenkins, $50,000 in 1960. Footnote 117

See Education Forum Thread Kennedy and Vietnam after Oliver


John J. McCloy, Lawyer and Diplomat Is Dead at 83 New York Times March 12, 1989

John J. McCloy, the lawyer and diplomat who was the United States High Commissioner in postwar Germany and an adviser to Presidents from Franklin D. Roosevelt to Ronald Reagan, died yesterday at his home in Stamford, Conn. He was 93 years old.

Mr. McCloy was among the most versatile men of his time. His basic profession was the law, which he practiced on Wall Street, but from 1941 to near the end of his life he was almost constantly involved in public affairs. In World War II he served as Assistant Secretary of War. Afterward he was president of the World Bank, and he was Military Governor and High Commissioner for West Germany.

There was an interlude as chairman of the Chase National Bank and then the Chase Manhattan Bank. He was shortly back in Government as an adviser on arms control to President Dwight D. Eisenhower and as a diplomatic negotiator for President John F. Kennedy. He served on the commission led by Chief Justice Earl Warren to investigate Kennedy's assassination and then became a consultant to Lyndon B. Johnson on North Atlantic Treaty Organization matters and to Richard Nixon and Gerald R. Ford.

Between times and often concurrently, he was board chairman of the Ford Foundation, chairman of the powerful Council on Foreign Relations and board chairman of a dozen or so other entities, including the Salk Institute and of E. R. Squibb & Sons. As a lawyer, he represented scores of corporate clients, including 23 oil companies dealing with the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries. 'Chairman of the Establishment'

Mr. McCloy was chairman of so many boards and had his hands in so many ventures that the political writer Richard Rovere once proposed that he was the informal ''chairman of the Establishment,'' a group that ''fixes major goals and constitutes itself a ready pool of manpower for the more exacting labors of leadership.''

Short, stocky, with a round, open face, Mr. McCloy exuded physical fitness. Even at the age of 80, he walked with the speed and vigor of one much younger. Although he dressed in conservative attire, his manner and style were informal, even homey.

''I saw my public service in terms of getting things done,'' Mr. McCloy said in an interview when he was 80. ''I never considered myself a politician, but rather a lawyer, so the question I asked myself in the various jobs I had was, 'What should we do to solve the problem at hand?' Then I tried to proceed accordingly.''

Mr. McCloy was conservative in outlook without being partisan. He worked for four Presidents who were Democrats and three who were Republicans. He had his favorites. Among them, he said, was Harry S. Truman, who appointed him High Commissioner for Germany in 1949. Oversaw $1 Billion in Aid

Mr. McCloy's three-year mission in West Germany was, he believed, among the most interesting of his assignments. His essential task was to create a civilian government in West Germany after four years of military rule and to rebuild its industry and commerce. He worked on the contractual agreements that superseded the American occupation in 1955 and, equally important, supervised the granting of $1 billion in aid to the economy of what became the Federal Republic.

''I had the powers of a dictator as High Commissioner of Allied Forces in West Germany,'' Mr. McCloy recalled, ''but I think I was a benevolent dictator. I think the rebuilding came off very well, with no significant problems. It wasn't a matter of ordering things done so much as using orderly persuasion with the Germans.''

John Jay McCloy was very much a self-made man. Born in Philadelphia on March 31, 1895, he was the son of John J. McCloy, an auditor for the Penn Mutual Life Insurance Company, and Anna May Snader McCloy. His father died when he was 6, and his mother turned to nursing to support the family.

John McCloy entered Amherst College in 1912 and supported himself by waiting on tables. After graduating cum laude in 1916 he went on to the Harvard Law School.

Interrupting his education in 1917 to enter the Army, he became a captain of field artillery and served at the front in France in World War I. He returned to Harvard in 1919 and, after getting his law degree in 1921, practiced for five years with the New York firm of Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft. Shepherded a Famous Case

In 1925 he moved to Cravath, de Gersdoff, Swaine & Wood, another Wall Street firm, where he became a partner in 1929. Recognized as bright and perservering, he was put in charge of the Black Tom case for Bethlehem Steel, one of the firm's clients.

The case involved damages incurred in a 1916 explosion at a Hoboken munitions factory. Mr. McCloy carried the case along for nine years, hunting down clues in Baltimore, Vienna, Warsaw and Dublin and proving that German agents had caused the explosion. The case was settled when the Mixed Claims Commission at The Hague found Germany responsible for the blast. Mr. McCloy's tenacity and legal acumen were highly esteemed in the profession, and these traits brought him to the attention of Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson in 1940.

Mr. Stimson brought him to Washington as a consultant and, in 1941, persuaded President Roosevelt to appoint him Assistant Secretary of War. In that post he helped to obtain Congressional approval of the Lend-Lease Act. As Mr. Stimson's troubleshooter, he helped coordinate political and military policy, especially in Europe.

Mr. McCloy was also a key Government official charged with the program to intern Japanese-Americans in World War II. He defended that wartime policy in 1981 before a Congressional commission chartered to determine whether the 120,000 people uprooted from their homes on the West Coast and relocated in camps in the Midwest and East in 1942 were entitled to compensation.

The internment program was ''reasonably undertaken and thoughtfully and humanely conducted,'' Mr. McCloy said. But many historians came to disagree, and Congress in 1988 approved compensation for those internees who were still alive. Headed the World Bank

In the later years of the war Mr. McCloy had been one of the few privy to the intention to use the atomic bomb against Japan. He argued that the United States should issue a warning to enable the Japanese to surrender, but he was overruled.

Mr. McCloy left the War Department in late 1945 for law practice, but in two years he was back in public life as president of the World Bank, a specialized agency associated with the United Nations. Without pretending to be a banker (''All bankers do is sign the papers lawyers prepare''), he raised the institution's prestige, and when he left it in 1949 it had a $650 million operating profit.

At the bank, as elsewhere, Mr. McCloy was not a publicly sparkling figure, nor a striking speaker, nor a social lion. He was, however, diligent and reliable - and, some said, autocratic. If not an innovator, he was an excellent administrator, tidy and to the point.

After his German experience, Mr. McCloy was named chairman of the Chase National Bank, which became the Chase Manhattan Bank in 1955 as a result of a merger. Arms Adviser to Kennedy

In 1960 he was back in law practice, a partner in what became Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy. His legal work, however, was the least of his activities for many years, for he served as board chairman of the Ford Foundation for six years, to late 1965. In 1961, he was President Kennedy's chief disarmament adviser and negotiator.

In this post he dealt with Soviet leaders, a task he said he found slow-going. He came to respect them for their negotiating skill, but the talks on both sides were wary and confined largely to principles. The practical results were generally adjudged as slight, although the atmosphere created in the conversations here and in the Soviet Union reportedly enhanced the detente that later developed between the two superpowers.

In late 1961 and for the next dozen years, he was chairman of the General Advisory Committee on Disarmament of the United States Arms Control and Disarmament Agency. Although his attitude did not always prevail, he remarked in 1975 that he had advocated much lower levels of armament than the Pentagon was willing to accept.

As Mr. McCloy crossed into his 70's, his activities seemed to increase rather than dwindle. He was vigorously involved with the Squibb Corporation; the United Nations development Corporation; with hospitals, schools and colleges; with affairs of the bar and civic associations.

Until late in life, Mr. McCloy was a hiker, mountain climber and tennis player of much endurance. Then fishing, a more quiet sport, occupied much of his spare time. A Twilight in Pessimism

An optimist most of his life, Mr. McCloy, in his twilight years, looked at the world and the United States with less than total hopefulness. What disturbed him, he said, was a narrowness of leadership, a seeming inability of statesmen to create a vision of world order and to manage nations in peace. He felt, he said, that American policy at home and abroad was makeshift, and he wondered where new leadership would come from.

As to his own life, Mr. McCloy believed that it had been full. He saw its visible accomplishments as his role as Mr. Stimson's aide in World War II, his World Bank role, his nurturing of West Germany and his spadework on disarmament. His one regret, he said, was the slowness of arms control.

Mr. McCloy's wife, the former Ellen Zinsser, whom he married in 1930, died in 1986. Surviving are a son, John J. McCloy 2d of Greenwich, Conn.; a daughter, Ellen Zinsser McCloy of Manhattan, and two grandsons.

A memorial service will be held at 3 P.M. March 21 at the Brick Presbyterian Church in Manhattan.

Photo of John J. McCloy with President Truman in 1950. (AP)


I certainly believe John J McCloy was not exactly depressed at being able to tar, with a rather large brush a group of largely Kennedy-Era figures,

as he marched into the sunset of his geopolitical career.

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