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Those looking for links between the Texas power group for which LBJ was frontman and the overarching Rockefeller empire should look to Australia where in 1975 our govt was overthrown in an elaborate staged series of events involving King Ranch, Esso, CIA man John Denley Walker, Nugan Hand svengali Bernie Houghton,etc. Some similarities to the scenario Barr McCllelan are striking, involving Humble Oil, King Ranch, super-lawyer Ed Clark. I posted about this some while ago. Since then, Jim Douglass' fine book has Nelson urging JFK to use tactical N-weapons on Vietnam. Quoating Schlesinger's account, Douglass describes Kennedy's hand shaking as he says "You know we are not going to do that". A telling mement and possibly a significant pointer to who may have initiated the assassin. It seems a long bow to draw the hapless Brits into an American conspiracy...the main point here is that JFK was listening far too much to De Gaulle and ideas of tri-partite solutions to Third World problems. Again this would have infuriated both British and American Cold Warriors, especially Rockefeller interests.

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Those looking for links between the Texas power group for which LBJ was frontman and the overarching Rockefeller empire should look to Australia where in 1975 our govt was overthrown in an elaborate staged series of events involving King Ranch, Esso, CIA man John Denley Walker, Nugan Hand svengali Bernie Houghton,etc. Some similarities to the scenario Barr McCllelan are striking, involving Humble Oil, King Ranch, super-lawyer Ed Clark. I posted about this some while ago. Since then, Jim Douglass' fine book has Nelson urging JFK to use tactical N-weapons on Vietnam. Quoating Schlesinger's account, Douglass describes Kennedy's hand shaking as he says "You know we are not going to do that". A telling mement and possibly a significant pointer to who may have initiated the assassin. It seems a long bow to draw the hapless Brits into an American conspiracy...the main point here is that JFK was listening far too much to De Gaulle and ideas of tri-partite solutions to Third World problems. Again this would have infuriated both British and American Cold Warriors, especially Rockefeller interests.

I wonder why the nukes recommendation, when Vietnam, like Korea, seemed to be about milking money out of a protracted land-air war? I wonder if Fletcher Prouty ever commented on Nelson's nukes. Anybody recall this in Prouty?

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More on Kings Ranch by John Hoefle in his piece titled "Southern Strategy Inc" where Wall Street meets Tobacco Road. I doubt Robert Morrow will understand the implications with Texas being home to these European oligarchs.

Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch|...

In 1983, Debrett's Peerage Ltd., publisher of Debrett's Peerage and Baronetage, issued a book entitled Debrett's Texas Peerage, on ``the aristocrats of Texas.'' Featured quite prominently in the book was ``The Royal Family of Ranching,'' the Klebergs of the King Ranch.

``Robert Justus Kleberg, Jr., was a god among Texas ranchers,'' the chapter on the King Ranch began. ``They still talk about him today in reverent tones, not only on ranches around the world, but at `21,' The Pierre, Saratoga, The Jockey Club and other exclusive enclaves which he used to frequent during racing season in the East.''

The New York Times has repeatedly referred to the spread as ``the legendary King Ranch,'' and Debrett's said that before the ranch opened itself to oil production, it was known as ``the Walled Kingdom.'' The Klebergs, Debrett's gushed, had ``lifelong friendships with the Whitneys, Vanderbilts and other horsey families of the East.'' The ranch has also been host to some of the most powerful oligarchs in the world, including Prince Johannes von Thurn und Taxis, hereditary head of the Venetian intelligence service, and Prince Charles of Britain. Anne Armstrong of the King Ranch was U.S. Ambassador to Britain in the 1970s, as well as being chairman of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB) from 1982 to 1990, under Reagan and Bush. [fn5]

The King Ranch was formed in 1857 by Captain Richard King, who had made his living as a steamboat captain running cargo and passengers along the Rio Grande River; he had arrived on the Rio Grande just after Gen. Zachary Taylor arrived with his army to defend the State of Texas against Mexico. King and his partner, Mifflin Kenedy, ran supplies for Taylor, in an operation which was actually an intelligence network operating under the cover of commerce. Just prior to the Civil War, King and Kenedy bought huge tracts of land just south of Corpus Christi; another member of the network was Charles Stillman, a border merchant who later moved to New York to found the National City Bank (a.k.a. Citibank). King's principal lawyer in the early days was Stephen Powers of Brownsville, who had previously been a U.S. consul to Switzerland.

During the Civil War, the King Ranch was an important transshipment point for Confederate supplies, particularly when the Mexican port of Matamoros took on crucial importance after the Union blockade closed the ports in the South. The ranch also functioned as an intelligence center for the Confederacy.

The Klebergs entered the picture when Robert Justus Kleberg (``Kleberg the First,'' according to Debrett's) married Captain King's daughter, Alice. When Captain King died in 1885, Kleberg took command of the ranch. Kleberg the First and Alice had two sons and three daughters. The elder son, Richard Mifflin Kleberg, went to Washington as a Congressmen, and hired a young man named Lyndon Johnson as an aide. The younger son, Robert, Jr., eventually took over the ranch from his father.

The business operations of the ranch in the mid-1980s were run by Jim Clement, the Princeton-trained son of Martin Clement, a former honcho of the Pennsylvania Railroad. One of Clement's friends and regular guests was the late Prince Johannes von Thurn und Taxis, the aforementioned Venetian spook and oligarch.

The King Ranch got a financial boost when oil was discovered on the property, and royalties from Humble Oil & Refining (later bought by Exxon) started rolling in. With their social and political connections, and the oil money, the King-Kleberg heirs moved into the corporate world. [fn6]

In 1977, Prince Charles visited the Armstrong Ranch to play polo with Anne's husband, Tobin Armstrong of the Armstrong Ranch; his brother John Armstrong of the neighboring King Ranch; John's son Charles Armstrong, and oil heir Will Farish of Houston, among others.

Enter the Schlumbergers

On Jan. 10, 1901, Captain Anthony Lucas and Patillo Higgins discovered oil at Spindletop, Texas. The Spindletop salt dome contained enough oil to double the production of the Pennsylvania fields where John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil ruled, and allowed the United States to surpass Russia as the world's leading oil producer. Oil had been drilled in Texas since 1866, but Texas had never come close to matching the output of Pennsylvania--until Spindletop. With the Spindletop gusher, a black-gold rush began, and fortune-seekers from all over the world poured into Texas. Among them were oligarchs and their agents, seeking to gain control over this new source of wealth. Over time, Houston became a center of the oil industry, and a captive of the British-dominated global oil cartel.

With Schlumberger came two important figures: Jean de Menil and his wife, Dominique Schlumberger de Menil. Jean, whose background had been deliberately muddied, was a Tsarist White Russian of some stature, who had fled Russia to avoid Communist reprisals, while Dominique was the daughter of company co-founder Conrad Schlumberger. As a top official of Schlumberger, Jean de Menil's responsibilities included the company's Ibero-American operations, while Dominique was a cultural and political warfare operative who founded the Rothko Chapel as a coordinating point for all sorts of unsavory operations, including terrorist networks involved in the assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat.

While the full story of Schlumberger's intelligence remains the subject for further investigation, some aspects are already known. Jean de Menil, as documented in EIR's book Dope, Inc., was a member of the Solidarists, a group comprised of Eastern European and White Russian fascists and feudalists. Many of the Solidarists had been officials of ``quisling'' pro-Hitler governments during World War II. A leading component of the Solidarist movement was a highly professional espionage, sabotage, and assassination network called the Narodnyi Trudovoy Soyuz (NTS). The NTS had been founded by Menshevik circles in Russia in the 1920s, and functioned as one of British Intelligence's premier spy rings inside Russia. The principal Western financing conduit for the NTS and the Solidarist movement was the Tolstoy Foundation of New York, of which Jean de Menil was a director.

De Menil and Schlumberger were involved in helping to put Castro in power in Cuba, and later in attempts to overthrow him, in operations involving both the CIA and George Bush's Zapata Offshore oil company. More importantly, Jean de Menil was a key figure in Permindex, the corporate front for the assassins of John F. Kennedy and the numerous attempts on the life of French President Charles de Gaulle. Permindex was closely linked with British Intelligence's Special Operations Executive of Sir William Stephenson and Col. Louis Mortimer Bloomfield, and with the FBI's secret Division Five, headed by Bloomfield. Schlumberger's links with the intelligence community are also indicated by its close relationship to former CIA director George Bush, and the presence on its board today of former CIA director John Deutch. This is not to suggest that Schlumberger is a CIA ``front,'' however, but rather that Schlumberger is part of a much older oligarchic intelligence network, with tentacles into national intelligence agencies such as the CIA.

The Schlumberger/de Menil apparatus had strong ties to the Houston corporate world and ruling elite. Jean de Menil was, for a time, on the board of Bank of the Southwest, the bank closely interlinked with Fulbright & Jaworski, the firm which produced Nuremberg and Watergate prosecutor Leon Jaworski. Baker & Botts partner Dillon Anderson, an official in the Eisenhower administration, was on the board of the Schlumberger Foundation in the 1950s, and senior partner George Jewell was on the board of Schlumberger in the 1980s. Schlumberger is also closely linked with Lazard, which played a big role in financing Texas companies like George Bush's Zapata and Pennzoil. Later, Dominique de Menil would co-found the Carter-Menil Center in Atlanta, with former President Jimmy Carter. A key liaison between Carter and de Menil was Charles W. Duncan of Houston, who is both a former president of Coca-Cola and Carter's Secretary of Energy. Both Charles and his brother John House Duncan sat on numerous corporate boards of relevance to this network, including John Duncan's seat on the King Ranch board.

Schlumberger family and board member Didier Primat has rather secretive operations in the Carolinas and Virginia, overlapping the intelligence and eugenics operations of the Smith-Richard Foundation and the family of Bush legal counsel C. Boyden Gray. Primat also held the property title to Mary Sue Terry, who, as Virginia Attorney General, led a witch-hunt against the Lyndon LaRouche movement, throwing a number of innocent individuals into state prison on trumped-up charges.

These Texas-Virginia-Carolina connections also played a role in the rise of Charlotte, N.C. as a national banking center. Charlotte's North Carolina National Bank (NCNB) has, through an ever-larger series of acquisitions, transformed itself into Bank of America, one of the largest banks in the world, while crosstown rival First Union has grown into a top-ten bank in the United States. NCNB significantly extended its reach in 1989, when it bought the bankrupt First RepublicBank of Dallas for virtually nothing, in a move that helped conceal the maneuvering that was used to keep First RepublicBank's doors open until after Presidential candidate (and former director) George Bush had won the Texas primary. NCNB transformed itself into NationsBank in 1991, with the acquisition of C&S/Sovran, itself the union of Georgia and Virginia banks. After a number of smaller acquisitions, NationsBank bought the San Francisco-based Bank of America in 1998; with the takeover, NationsBank renamed itself Bank of America, with the headquarters, and the control, remaining in Charlotte. Bank of America is number 12 on the list of top contributors to the political campaigns of Gov. George W. Bush, and in its NCNB days, the bank was caught running dirty tricks against the LaRouche movement

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Terry Mauro thinks that the British were involved in the JFK. Well, if that is your religious belief, fine. I happen to see ZERO British involvement in the JFK assassination. I've have never seen any evidence that you have presented or anyone else relating to that. But you are welcome to believe it...

I will say this: Lyndon Johnson was TOTALLY in bed with the Rockefellers. The psychopathic serial killer LBJ's lifetime modus operandus was to find a power source, then obsequiously and shamelessly target the power source with brown nosing and flattering, all the while hoping to use target power source for advancement. LBJ did it with his college president at San Marcos State Teacher's college, with Sam Rayburn in the House, with Richard Russell in the Senate and by the 1960's LBJ was doing it with the Rockefellers, Nelson Rockefeller in particular.

For this cover up of the LBJ/CIA murder of JFK, the psychopathic serial killer Lyndon Johnson put to very top men of Rockefeller interests on the Warren Commission farce: Allen Dulles CIA and John J. McCloy, the former head of Chase Manhattan, Rockefeller tool and head of the Rockefeller pet group, chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations from 1953-1970, Dulles had been president of CFR from 1946-1950.

I think there is a very good chance that Lyndon Johnson and Allen Dulles may have been co-CEOs of the JFK assassination. They, along with Johnson's close friend Hoover, were the co-CEOs of the COVERUP of the JFK Assassination.

I think it is extremely important to note that Democrat Lyndon Johnson's number one pick to follow him as president was NELSON ROCKEFELLER. If Edward Lansdale, identified at TSBD by Col. Prouty and Gen. Krulak, and Allen Dulles were involved in JFK's murder, then I think it is reasonable that Nelson Rockefeller was also involved in the planning or approval of the JFK assassination.

I've always thought there was a lot of truth in the following passage (I think that Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy; with the CIA/mafia in charge of the killing and LBJ and his close friend Hoover of the FBI in charge of the cover up.)

From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:

“The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK … During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, JOHNSON of Texas, GEORGE BUSH, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"

I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, p. 638-639]

[Note in 1964, Nelson Rockefeller did not support fellow Republican Barry Goldwater in his race against Lyndon Johnson. I think Rockefeller was implicitly supporting Johnson to ensure the coverup of the JFK assassination. It is not like Rockefeller was not a hawk like Goldwater; Rockefeller had urged John Kennedy to use tactical nukes on North Vietnam.

In April 1968, Lyndon Johnson was doing everything he could to encourage/prod Nelson Rockefeller to run for president. In fact Rockefeller was LBJ's #1 choice to succeed him and Democrat Johnson told Republican Rockefeller that he would not campaign against in a general election (source: Dallek's book). I think LBJ's support of Rockefeller for president had a lot to do with the continued JFK assassination cover up.]

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Robert, while it's often true that power corrupts and absolute power corropts absolutely, personally I thnk you should drop the psych-ser-kill bit.

In many ways I think your hypothesis has merit afa top echelon.

I think that the purpose was Cold War related (it must have been, it was a fight between capital and labour) and the Civil Rights issue being the single most significant entry point of socialist ideas to the american public (your earlier post about Johnson being responsible for the Civil Rights act as a plus point is flawed (imo) as what was passed (and the promise of carried LBJ into a second term) was a watered down version of JFK's '63 bill. LBJ quickly shuffleled it off to the side and his later ''n'' comments showed what he really thought. IOW an expediency.)

However, within this milieu, where communism was being fought on home soil :Civil Rights, at the time of the assassination can be found the means motives and opportunity (particularly in nut country) for a middle man providing cover for the top and directions to the actual on the ground grunts that carried out the assassination. I think this is a very simple and logical format. In many of your posts this can be gleaned. All it takes is a shift in perspective.

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Terry Mauro thinks that the British were involved in the JFK. Well, if that is your religious belief, fine. I happen to see ZERO British involvement in the JFK assassination. I've have never seen any evidence that you have presented or anyone else relating to that. But you are welcome to believe it...

I will say this: Lyndon Johnson was TOTALLY in bed with the Rockefellers. The psychopathic serial killer LBJ's lifetime modus operandus was to find a power source, then obsequiously and shamelessly target the power source with brown nosing and flattering, all the while hoping to use target power source for advancement. LBJ did it with his college president at San Marcos State Teacher's college, with Sam Rayburn in the House, with Richard Russell in the Senate and by the 1960's LBJ was doing it with the Rockefellers, Nelson Rockefeller in particular.

For this cover up of the LBJ/CIA murder of JFK, the psychopathic serial killer Lyndon Johnson put to very top men of Rockefeller interests on the Warren Commission farce: Allen Dulles CIA and John J. McCloy, the former head of Chase Manhattan, Rockefeller tool and head of the Rockefeller pet group, chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations from 1953-1970, Dulles had been president of CFR from 1946-1950.

I think there is a very good chance that Lyndon Johnson and Allen Dulles may have been co-CEOs of the JFK assassination. They, along with Johnson's close friend Hoover, were the co-CEOs of the COVERUP of the JFK Assassination.

I think it is extremely important to note that Democrat Lyndon Johnson's number one pick to follow him as president was NELSON ROCKEFELLER. If Edward Lansdale, identified at TSBD by Col. Prouty and Gen. Krulak, and Allen Dulles were involved in JFK's murder, then I think it is reasonable that Nelson Rockefeller was also involved in the planning or approval of the JFK assassination.

I've always thought there was a lot of truth in the following passage (I think that Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy; with the CIA/mafia in charge of the killing and LBJ and his close friend Hoover of the FBI in charge of the cover up.)

From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:

“The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK … During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, JOHNSON of Texas, GEORGE BUSH, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"

I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, p. 638-639]

[Note in 1964, Nelson Rockefeller did not support fellow Republican Barry Goldwater in his race against Lyndon Johnson. I think Rockefeller was implicitly supporting Johnson to ensure the coverup of the JFK assassination. It is not like Rockefeller was not a hawk like Goldwater; Rockefeller had urged John Kennedy to use tactical nukes on North Vietnam.

In April 1968, Lyndon Johnson was doing everything he could to encourage/prod Nelson Rockefeller to run for president. In fact Rockefeller was LBJ's #1 choice to succeed him and Democrat Johnson told Republican Rockefeller that he would not campaign against in a general election (source: Dallek's book). I think LBJ's support of Rockefeller for president had a lot to do with the continued JFK assassination cover up.]

Robert,

How many times have you been asked for evidence concerning LBJ's role as the mastermind behind the JFK assassination? You have never responded to these iquiries except to reiterate your line that LBJ was a serial killer in bed with the Rockefellers.

The Kennedy family was and still is to this day, in bed with some of the most notorious drug interests on the planet.

Not too long ago I posted the FBI file showing Edward Kennedy was working with the KGB in an effort to destroy the "Strategic Defense Initiative" of Ronald Reagan, which would have made nuclear weapons obsolete. Edward Kennedy was acting as a traitor against his own country. On who's behalf was he working?

So there's enough dirty laundry to go around for everyone.

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Terry Mauro thinks that the British were involved in the JFK. Well, if that is your religious belief, fine. I happen to see ZERO British involvement in the JFK assassination. I've have never seen any evidence that you have presented or anyone else relating to that. But you are welcome to believe it...

I will say this: Lyndon Johnson was TOTALLY in bed with the Rockefellers. The psychopathic serial killer LBJ's lifetime modus operandus was to find a power source, then obsequiously and shamelessly target the power source with brown nosing and flattering, all the while hoping to use target power source for advancement. LBJ did it with his college president at San Marcos State Teacher's college, with Sam Rayburn in the House, with Richard Russell in the Senate and by the 1960's LBJ was doing it with the Rockefellers, Nelson Rockefeller in particular.

For this cover up of the LBJ/CIA murder of JFK, the psychopathic serial killer Lyndon Johnson put to very top men of Rockefeller interests on the Warren Commission farce: Allen Dulles CIA and John J. McCloy, the former head of Chase Manhattan, Rockefeller tool and head of the Rockefeller pet group, chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations from 1953-1970, Dulles had been president of CFR from 1946-1950.

I think there is a very good chance that Lyndon Johnson and Allen Dulles may have been co-CEOs of the JFK assassination. They, along with Johnson's close friend Hoover, were the co-CEOs of the COVERUP of the JFK Assassination.

I think it is extremely important to note that Democrat Lyndon Johnson's number one pick to follow him as president was NELSON ROCKEFELLER. If Edward Lansdale, identified at TSBD by Col. Prouty and Gen. Krulak, and Allen Dulles were involved in JFK's murder, then I think it is reasonable that Nelson Rockefeller was also involved in the planning or approval of the JFK assassination.

I've always thought there was a lot of truth in the following passage (I think that Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy; with the CIA/mafia in charge of the killing and LBJ and his close friend Hoover of the FBI in charge of the cover up.)

From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:

"The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK … During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, JOHNSON of Texas, GEORGE BUSH, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"

I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, p. 638-639]

[Note in 1964, Nelson Rockefeller did not support fellow Republican Barry Goldwater in his race against Lyndon Johnson. I think Rockefeller was implicitly supporting Johnson to ensure the coverup of the JFK assassination. It is not like Rockefeller was not a hawk like Goldwater; Rockefeller had urged John Kennedy to use tactical nukes on North Vietnam.

In April 1968, Lyndon Johnson was doing everything he could to encourage/prod Nelson Rockefeller to run for president. In fact Rockefeller was LBJ's #1 choice to succeed him and Democrat Johnson told Republican Rockefeller that he would not campaign against in a general election (source: Dallek's book). I think LBJ's support of Rockefeller for president had a lot to do with the continued JFK assassination cover up.]

Robert,

How many times have you been asked for evidence concerning LBJ's role as the mastermind behind the JFK assassination? You have never responded to these iquiries except to reiterate your line that LBJ was a serial killer in bed with the Rockefellers.

The Kennedy family was and still is to this day, in bed with some of the most notorious drug interests on the planet.

Not too long ago I posted the FBI file showing Edward Kennedy was working with the KGB in an effort to destroy the "Strategic Defense Initiative" of Ronald Reagan, which would have made nuclear weapons obsolete. Edward Kennedy was acting as a traitor against his own country. On who's behalf was he working?

So there's enough dirty laundry to go around for everyone.

Good on him. It would have destroyed M.A.D.. Non US N weapons would have been obsolete (not that I believe Raygonzos SDI ever would have worked, do you?). I'd say that like every other person who has or is working to balance power and prevent anyone (particularly US capital) from achieving supremacy works for the greater good of humanity.

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Terry Mauro thinks that the British were involved in the JFK. Well, if that is your religious belief, fine. I happen to see ZERO British involvement in the JFK assassination. I've have never seen any evidence that you have presented or anyone else relating to that. But you are welcome to believe it...

I will say this: Lyndon Johnson was TOTALLY in bed with the Rockefellers. The psychopathic serial killer LBJ's lifetime modus operandus was to find a power source, then obsequiously and shamelessly target the power source with brown nosing and flattering, all the while hoping to use target power source for advancement. LBJ did it with his college president at San Marcos State Teacher's college, with Sam Rayburn in the House, with Richard Russell in the Senate and by the 1960's LBJ was doing it with the Rockefellers, Nelson Rockefeller in particular.

For this cover up of the LBJ/CIA murder of JFK, the psychopathic serial killer Lyndon Johnson put to very top men of Rockefeller interests on the Warren Commission farce: Allen Dulles CIA and John J. McCloy, the former head of Chase Manhattan, Rockefeller tool and head of the Rockefeller pet group, chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations from 1953-1970, Dulles had been president of CFR from 1946-1950.

I think there is a very good chance that Lyndon Johnson and Allen Dulles may have been co-CEOs of the JFK assassination. They, along with Johnson's close friend Hoover, were the co-CEOs of the COVERUP of the JFK Assassination.

I think it is extremely important to note that Democrat Lyndon Johnson's number one pick to follow him as president was NELSON ROCKEFELLER. If Edward Lansdale, identified at TSBD by Col. Prouty and Gen. Krulak, and Allen Dulles were involved in JFK's murder, then I think it is reasonable that Nelson Rockefeller was also involved in the planning or approval of the JFK assassination.

I've always thought there was a lot of truth in the following passage (I think that Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy; with the CIA/mafia in charge of the killing and LBJ and his close friend Hoover of the FBI in charge of the cover up.)

From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:

"The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK … During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, JOHNSON of Texas, GEORGE BUSH, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"

I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, p. 638-639]

[Note in 1964, Nelson Rockefeller did not support fellow Republican Barry Goldwater in his race against Lyndon Johnson. I think Rockefeller was implicitly supporting Johnson to ensure the coverup of the JFK assassination. It is not like Rockefeller was not a hawk like Goldwater; Rockefeller had urged John Kennedy to use tactical nukes on North Vietnam.

In April 1968, Lyndon Johnson was doing everything he could to encourage/prod Nelson Rockefeller to run for president. In fact Rockefeller was LBJ's #1 choice to succeed him and Democrat Johnson told Republican Rockefeller that he would not campaign against in a general election (source: Dallek's book). I think LBJ's support of Rockefeller for president had a lot to do with the continued JFK assassination cover up.]

Robert,

How many times have you been asked for evidence concerning LBJ's role as the mastermind behind the JFK assassination? You have never responded to these iquiries except to reiterate your line that LBJ was a serial killer in bed with the Rockefellers.

The Kennedy family was and still is to this day, in bed with some of the most notorious drug interests on the planet.

Not too long ago I posted the FBI file showing Edward Kennedy was working with the KGB in an effort to destroy the "Strategic Defense Initiative" of Ronald Reagan, which would have made nuclear weapons obsolete. Edward Kennedy was acting as a traitor against his own country. On who's behalf was he working?

So there's enough dirty laundry to go around for everyone.

Good on him. It would have destroyed M.A.D.. Non US N weapons would have been obsolete (not that I believe Raygonzos SDI ever would have worked, do you?). I'd say that like every other person who has or is working to balance power and prevent anyone (particularly US capital) from achieving supremacy works for the greater good of humanity.

It was intended to destroy the hideous policy of Bertrand Russell's Mutually Assured Destruction. The planet had been living under the threat of thermo nuclear annihilation since 1945. Do you recall the Cuban Missiles Crisis? Besides the Soviets had been working on "beam weapons" since the early 1960's.

Reagan offered joint collaboration with the Soviets, just as JFK had planned to offer the Soviets mutual cooperation in space.

But the SDI would have ended nuclear missiles as a "terror" weapon. They would have been rendered impotent.

Edward Kennedy as an agent of the enemy of the United States was deployed by that enemy to sabotage the SDI with help of the KGB and other "MAD" advocates inside the Soviet Union. Andropov, Gorbachev, etc.

But Edward Kennedy's traitorous behavior is quite a shocker to the average American citizen. Your hatred of the United States is obvious. It's also misplaced. The real Empire on this planet and the only real menace to humanity is the British Empire of which Australia is a part. You throw around the word "capitalism" like you really know what you're refering to. There are two systems at war. The British monetary system of free trade and usury, and the American System of Politcal Economy.

But the technology was available to render nuclear offensive weapons impotent. The SDI would also act like a "science driver" project much like JFK's Apollo moon landing program. The SDI was the crowning moment of the Reagan Presidency. It changed history.

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This issue, Terry Mauro, is not whether the Kennedys have any dirt - after all Joe Kennedy made his fortune as a bootlegger, but rather WHO murdered John Kennedy and WHY they murdered him. I think that most evidence points towards Lyndon Johnson, his CIA allies, with the mafia and anti-Castro Cubans as key helpers. The idea that the "British" did it is a farcical notion. Anything is possible, so I will assign that one in a quadrillion odds. Another side issue that I have become fascinated with is the 47 year MSM cover up of the JFK assassination and how deceitful and ridiculous it has been.

Operation Mockingbird, CIA manipulation, and the MSM media cover up of the JFK assassination

CIA Assets were in print media, television, respected columnists: all pushing the Big Lie about JFK assassination for decades-

Carl Bernstein’s classic on The CIA and the Media, from Rolling Stone Magazine 10/20/77:

http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

CIA memo to its media assets in April, 1967 – “Countering Criticism of the Warren Report: http://www.namebase.org/foia/jfk01.html

CIA instructions to media assets to defend pitiful Warren Commission report (dated 4/1/67):

http://mtracy9.tripod.com/cia_instructions.htm (CIA was concerned that folks were actually accusing Lyndon Johnson of the JFK murder! Gee wonder why?)

Jerry Policoff’s spectacular analysis of the MSM’s treatment of JFK assassination:

1) JFK: How the Media Assassinated the Real Story by Robert Hennelly and Jerry Policoff

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/mediaassassination.html (the media played a critical role in framing Lee Harvey Oswald and protecting the CIA/LBJ murderers of John Kennedy.

2) Another good article on media suppression of the truth in the JFK assassination by Jerry Policoff. The New York Times has been one of the biggest offenders: How All the News About Political Assassinations In the United States Has Not Been Fit to Print in The New York Times by Jerry Policoff http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/PA-NYT.html

Operation Mockingbird: CIA Media Manipulation –

Part 1: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/mockingbird.htm

Part 2: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/mockingbird2.htm

Also, read the book: A Citizen’s Dissent: Mark Lane Replies to the Defenders of the Warren Report, to the press and communications industry, to the Establishment intellectuals and commentators, and tells the often grim story of how his dissent was almost silenced. (1968):

http://www.amazon.com/Citizens-Dissent-Replies-Defenders-Warren/dp/B00005VLU6

"By the early 1950s," writes former Village Voice reporter Deborah Davis in Katharine the Great, "Wisner 'owned' respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles, plus stringers, four to six hundred in all, according to a former CIA analyst." The network was overseen by Allen Dulles, a templar for German and American corporations who wanted their point of view represented in the public print. Early MOCKINGBIRD influenced 25 newspapers and wire agencies consenting to act as organs of CIA propaganda. Many of these were already run by men with reactionary views, among them William Paley (CBS), C.D. Jackson (Fortune), Henry Luce (Time) and Arthur Hays Sulzberger (N.Y. Times).

[A very key point to make about the cover up of the JFK assassination was that the media cover up extended ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM from right wing to left wing. The New York Times (establishment left), the Nation magazine (left) and I.F. Stone all were pushing the Big Lie or were fooled (I.F. Stone). And, of course, you had right wing CIA assets such as Henry Luce at Time-Life and William S. Paley at CBS whose organizations – hand in hand with the government/LBJ/CIA/FBI/Hoover were pushing the Big Lie as well. Do not overlook the critical buy-in and compromising of the Left in regards to the JFK assassination. – Robert Morrow]

As far as Lyndon Johnson (and the CIA's role) in the JFK assassination: I highly recommend the book JFK: Mastermind of JFK's Assassination (2010) by Phillip Nelson. It also details what a psychopath and serial killer Lyndon Johnson was BEFORE he got his knife wet murdering JFK. http://www.lbj-themastermind.com/

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This issue, Terry Mauro, is not whether the Kennedys have any dirt - after all Joe Kennedy made his fortune as a bootlegger, but rather WHO murdered John Kennedy and WHY they murdered him. I think that most evidence points towards Lyndon Johnson, his CIA allies, with the mafia and anti-Castro Cubans as key helpers. The idea that the "British" did it is a farcical notion. Anything is possible, so I will assign that one in a quadrillion odds. Another side issue that I have become fascinated with is the 47 year MSM cover up of the JFK assassination and how deceitful and ridiculous it has been.

Operation Mockingbird, CIA manipulation, and the MSM media cover up of the JFK assassination

CIA Assets were in print media, television, respected columnists: all pushing the Big Lie about JFK assassination for decades-

Carl Bernstein’s classic on The CIA and the Media, from Rolling Stone Magazine 10/20/77:

http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

CIA memo to its media assets in April, 1967 – “Countering Criticism of the Warren Report: http://www.namebase.org/foia/jfk01.html

CIA instructions to media assets to defend pitiful Warren Commission report (dated 4/1/67):

http://mtracy9.tripod.com/cia_instructions.htm (CIA was concerned that folks were actually accusing Lyndon Johnson of the JFK murder! Gee wonder why?)

Jerry Policoff’s spectacular analysis of the MSM’s treatment of JFK assassination:

1) JFK: How the Media Assassinated the Real Story by Robert Hennelly and Jerry Policoff

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/mediaassassination.html (the media played a critical role in framing Lee Harvey Oswald and protecting the CIA/LBJ murderers of John Kennedy.

2) Another good article on media suppression of the truth in the JFK assassination by Jerry Policoff. The New York Times has been one of the biggest offenders: How All the News About Political Assassinations In the United States Has Not Been Fit to Print in The New York Times by Jerry Policoff http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/PA-NYT.html

Operation Mockingbird: CIA Media Manipulation –

Part 1: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/mockingbird.htm

Part 2: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/mockingbird2.htm

Also, read the book: A Citizen’s Dissent: Mark Lane Replies to the Defenders of the Warren Report, to the press and communications industry, to the Establishment intellectuals and commentators, and tells the often grim story of how his dissent was almost silenced. (1968):

http://www.amazon.com/Citizens-Dissent-Replies-Defenders-Warren/dp/B00005VLU6

"By the early 1950s," writes former Village Voice reporter Deborah Davis in Katharine the Great, "Wisner 'owned' respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles, plus stringers, four to six hundred in all, according to a former CIA analyst." The network was overseen by Allen Dulles, a templar for German and American corporations who wanted their point of view represented in the public print. Early MOCKINGBIRD influenced 25 newspapers and wire agencies consenting to act as organs of CIA propaganda. Many of these were already run by men with reactionary views, among them William Paley (CBS), C.D. Jackson (Fortune), Henry Luce (Time) and Arthur Hays Sulzberger (N.Y. Times).

[A very key point to make about the cover up of the JFK assassination was that the media cover up extended ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM from right wing to left wing. The New York Times (establishment left), the Nation magazine (left) and I.F. Stone all were pushing the Big Lie or were fooled (I.F. Stone). And, of course, you had right wing CIA assets such as Henry Luce at Time-Life and William S. Paley at CBS whose organizations – hand in hand with the government/LBJ/CIA/FBI/Hoover were pushing the Big Lie as well. Do not overlook the critical buy-in and compromising of the Left in regards to the JFK assassination. – Robert Morrow]

As far as Lyndon Johnson (and the CIA's role) in the JFK assassination: I highly recommend the book JFK: Mastermind of JFK's Assassination (2010) by Phillip Nelson. It also details what a psychopath and serial killer Lyndon Johnson was BEFORE he got his knife wet murdering JFK. http://www.lbj-themastermind.com/

Robert,

Your short on evidence, as usual. Don't you think I've read the articles you present?

There is no evidence that LBJ was the mastermind of the JFK murder. Anymore than he was the mastermind of the Abraham Lincoln murder. That too was another British operation.

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2008/2008_50-52/2008_50-52/2008-50/pdf/26-35_3548.pdf

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Doesn't that make sense?

Yes, Otto. Point taken. Thanks for your last conciliatory message.

I still think that any thread that purports the notion that Lyndon Baines Johnson was a key participant in the assassination of his predecessor is, indeed, worthy of having the "silly" label attached to it.

But, to each his own.

Again, Pein is not reading the post. The author of the Dark Side of Lyndon Baines Johnson makes in clear that he believes that it could only be proven that Johnson condoned the assassination. He did not suggest that Johnson was a "key participant."

In order to defend Johnson in this context one is going to have to show that he launched a proper investigation into the murder of his predecessor and that he took steps to prevent the assassination.

But since the Warren Report , which was the way he supposedly did this in invalidated, Pein is going to have a tough time asserting Johnson launched a proper investigation. In addition to that, there are several statements that Johnson made that show that he had prior knowledge of the act, which makes him as culpable as anyone involved, and therefore that Johnson condoned the assassination.

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The dark side of the New York Times.(Anton Chaitkin)

A striking instance of the Confederate ``Lost Cause,'' persisting and haunting the present century, is to be seen in the attic of {The New York Times.} Iphigenie Ochs married Arthur Hays Sulzberger in 1917. He succeeded her father Adolphe Ochs as publisher of {The Times}, which Mr. Ochs had bought in the 1890s. Adolphe Ochs and his father founded the ``Baroness Erlanger'' Hospital in Chattanooga, Tennessee. The hospital was named for John Slidell's daughter who married the Confederacy's chief financier Baron Emil Erlanger. The Baron had bought up the main railways between the bankrupt South and Cincinnati. Adolphe Ochs had married Iphigenie Wise, the daughter of B'nai B'rith's Cincinnati leader Isaac Wise. When the Ochs family had lived in Cincinnati during the war, Adolphe's mother Bertha had been arrested for smuggling drugs to the Confederate army. In 1991, Arthur Sulzberger's daughter Ruth sponsored the visit to America of British banker Rodolphe d'Erlanger, John Slidell's great-great grandson. At a reception for Erlanger hospital, he said that his great grandfather, Baron Emil, was the partner of Cecil Rhodes in his nightmare race projects in Africa, and that Emil and his wife Mathilde Slidell had introduced Wagner's {Tannhauser} to the stage in Paris--which was booed off the stage.

Arthur Sulzberger's Philadelphia Uncle David Sulzberger joined the Confederate army in Arkansas. Cousin Cyrus Adler, born on the Sulzbergers' Arkansas slave plantation, became the occult, psychic, Masonic, and gnostic expert for the New York Jewish establishment and for London and Cambridge Freemasonic strategists. At the same time, under the Teddy Roosevelt regime, cousin Mayer Sulzberger was president of B'nai B'rith International and president of the American Jewish Committee. At that time, B'nai B'rith leaders (such as the Sulzberger's partners the Morgenthaus) directly represented British crown interests in the Middle East, and worked as a bridge for Scottish Rite Masonry between the Middle East and Washington. In the 1930s, Cyrus Adler, president of the American Jewish Committee, coordinated with the family's B'nai B'rith, and the family's {New York Times}, to crush all U.S. political action against Adolf Hitler in Germany. The B'nai B'rith was the one Jewish organization that Hitler deliberately {left open }and functioning under Nazi rule from 1933 on. In 1939, Britain made a dramatic change in its policy toward Hitler--after teaching Hitler his race theories, after forcefully backing his takeover of Germany, after financing and equipping his armies, Britain now changed publicly to opposing Hitler. Only at that point, in 1939, about a year after Hitler finally closed B'nai B'rith's Nazi-authorized German operations, B'nai B'rith decided to ``approve'' an international boycott against the Nazi regime.

B'nai B'rith's Anti-Defamation League recently opened a vicious campaign to label American black leaders as anti-Semites, aiming at a racial conflict, and stomping on the memory of the young Jews who fought for civil rights in the 1960s. It is essential that the religious, national, and historical character of this racialism be precisely understood. Now a surprising breakthrough has occurred. Leaders of U.S. black Freemasonry have attacked white Masonry, particularly the Scottish Rite, as a center of racialism. The attack is contained in the latest issue of the {News Quarterly}, official publication of the [``Supreme Council, Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction,''] Prince Hall affiliation, in an article by Joseph A. Walkes, editor of the {Quarterly.} Walkes exposes Albert Pike as the national Chief Justice of the Invisible Empire of the Ku Klux Klan, and the organizer and Grand Dragon of the Klan in Arkansas. Walkes describes Albert Pike as a ``traitor to his country.'' The article carries a photograph of the Washington memorial statue to the KKK founder. Walkes calls the statue ``an affront'' to the residents of the nation's capital, a majority of whom are black. With this and similar initiatives, a strong potential now exists for members of all faiths and ethnic groups to think about and to solve a central problem of our era: Fanatical Zionists are urged on by Anglo-American backers, to brutalize and displace Arab residents and Muslim religious institutions from Israeli occupied territory. Among the Anglo-Saxons cheering them on in their blind racialism are many known as ``fundamentalist Christians.'' They have seen a vision of Semitic warfare in the Holy Land, ending in mankind's annihilation, which they cheer as ``God's will'' and ``Bible Prophesy.'' This madness has been called the British balance-of-power strategy. But its familiar name is, British Freemasonry.

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Terry Mauro thinks that the British were involved in the JFK. Well, if that is your religious belief, fine. I happen to see ZERO British involvement in the JFK assassination. I've have never seen any evidence that you have presented or anyone else relating to that. But you are welcome to believe it...

I will say this: Lyndon Johnson was TOTALLY in bed with the Rockefellers. The psychopathic serial killer LBJ's lifetime modus operandus was to find a power source, then obsequiously and shamelessly target the power source with brown nosing and flattering, all the while hoping to use target power source for advancement. LBJ did it with his college president at San Marcos State Teacher's college, with Sam Rayburn in the House, with Richard Russell in the Senate and by the 1960's LBJ was doing it with the Rockefellers, Nelson Rockefeller in particular.

For this cover up of the LBJ/CIA murder of JFK, the psychopathic serial killer Lyndon Johnson put to very top men of Rockefeller interests on the Warren Commission farce: Allen Dulles CIA and John J. McCloy, the former head of Chase Manhattan, Rockefeller tool and head of the Rockefeller pet group, chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations from 1953-1970, Dulles had been president of CFR from 1946-1950.

I think there is a very good chance that Lyndon Johnson and Allen Dulles may have been co-CEOs of the JFK assassination. They, along with Johnson's close friend Hoover, were the co-CEOs of the COVERUP of the JFK Assassination.

I think it is extremely important to note that Democrat Lyndon Johnson's number one pick to follow him as president was NELSON ROCKEFELLER. If Edward Lansdale, identified at TSBD by Col. Prouty and Gen. Krulak, and Allen Dulles were involved in JFK's murder, then I think it is reasonable that Nelson Rockefeller was also involved in the planning or approval of the JFK assassination.

I've always thought there was a lot of truth in the following passage (I think that Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy; with the CIA/mafia in charge of the killing and LBJ and his close friend Hoover of the FBI in charge of the cover up.)

From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:

"The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK … During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, JOHNSON of Texas, GEORGE BUSH, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"

I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, p. 638-639]

[Note in 1964, Nelson Rockefeller did not support fellow Republican Barry Goldwater in his race against Lyndon Johnson. I think Rockefeller was implicitly supporting Johnson to ensure the coverup of the JFK assassination. It is not like Rockefeller was not a hawk like Goldwater; Rockefeller had urged John Kennedy to use tactical nukes on North Vietnam.

In April 1968, Lyndon Johnson was doing everything he could to encourage/prod Nelson Rockefeller to run for president. In fact Rockefeller was LBJ's #1 choice to succeed him and Democrat Johnson told Republican Rockefeller that he would not campaign against in a general election (source: Dallek's book). I think LBJ's support of Rockefeller for president had a lot to do with the continued JFK assassination cover up.]

Robert,

How many times have you been asked for evidence concerning LBJ's role as the mastermind behind the JFK assassination? You have never responded to these iquiries except to reiterate your line that LBJ was a serial killer in bed with the Rockefellers.

The Kennedy family was and still is to this day, in bed with some of the most notorious drug interests on the planet.

Not too long ago I posted the FBI file showing Edward Kennedy was working with the KGB in an effort to destroy the "Strategic Defense Initiative" of Ronald Reagan, which would have made nuclear weapons obsolete. Edward Kennedy was acting as a traitor against his own country. On who's behalf was he working?

So there's enough dirty laundry to go around for everyone.

Good on him. It would have destroyed M.A.D.. Non US N weapons would have been obsolete (not that I believe Raygonzos SDI ever would have worked, do you?). I'd say that like every other person who has or is working to balance power and prevent anyone (particularly US capital) from achieving supremacy works for the greater good of humanity.

It was intended to destroy the hideous policy of Bertrand Russell's Mutually Assured Destruction. The planet had been living under the threat of thermo nuclear annihilation since 1945. Do you recall the Cuban Missiles Crisis? Besides the Soviets had been working on "beam weapons" since the early 1960's.

Reagan offered joint collaboration with the Soviets, just as JFK had planned to offer the Soviets mutual cooperation in space.

But the SDI would have ended nuclear missiles as a "terror" weapon. They would have been rendered impotent.

Edward Kennedy as an agent of the enemy of the United States was deployed by that enemy to sabotage the SDI with help of the KGB and other "MAD" advocates inside the Soviet Union. Andropov, Gorbachev, etc.

But Edward Kennedy's traitorous behavior is quite a shocker to the average American citizen. Your hatred of the United States is obvious. It's also misplaced. The real Empire on this planet and the only real menace to humanity is the British Empire of which Australia is a part. You throw around the word "capitalism" like you really know what you're refering to. There are two systems at war. The British monetary system of free trade and usury, and the American System of Politcal Economy.

But the technology was available to render nuclear offensive weapons impotent. The SDI would also act like a "science driver" project much like JFK's Apollo moon landing program. The SDI was the crowning moment of the Reagan Presidency. It changed history.

http://wlym.com/~oak...mRevolution.wmv

I don't hate the US, it's a landmass containing human beings ruled by a corrupt establishment. This ties in to the other point we almost discussed. You can't separate your self from this corrupt system. You are your US, for good or evil. Raygonzo was wreaking havoc on innocents throughout latin america, while flooding the streets of the US with drugs. To leave the fate of the world in the hands of such a corrupt lobby driven establishment with an arsenal that holds the whole world to ransom is terror. Its unwanted wanton interference in the sovereignty of other nations is terror. You condone and applaud this terror.

Raygonzo was going through the freeze cycle of the cold war forcing the cccp to spend more on defense. That was really the point of his sf fantasy. You seem to have nestled into a coomfortable fantasy of your own regarding capitalism. Where you get it from I don't kmow, and no I don't defend the corruption of the british commonwealth either.

The threat of nuclear annihilation was instigated by the US. It's the only nation to have used it. Needlessly. I don't trust the keepers of it as far as I could throw a stick.

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Terry Mauro thinks that the British were involved in the JFK. Well, if that is your religious belief, fine. I happen to see ZERO British involvement in the JFK assassination. I've have never seen any evidence that you have presented or anyone else relating to that. But you are welcome to believe it...

I will say this: Lyndon Johnson was TOTALLY in bed with the Rockefellers. The psychopathic serial killer LBJ's lifetime modus operandus was to find a power source, then obsequiously and shamelessly target the power source with brown nosing and flattering, all the while hoping to use target power source for advancement. LBJ did it with his college president at San Marcos State Teacher's college, with Sam Rayburn in the House, with Richard Russell in the Senate and by the 1960's LBJ was doing it with the Rockefellers, Nelson Rockefeller in particular.

For this cover up of the LBJ/CIA murder of JFK, the psychopathic serial killer Lyndon Johnson put to very top men of Rockefeller interests on the Warren Commission farce: Allen Dulles CIA and John J. McCloy, the former head of Chase Manhattan, Rockefeller tool and head of the Rockefeller pet group, chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations from 1953-1970, Dulles had been president of CFR from 1946-1950.

I think there is a very good chance that Lyndon Johnson and Allen Dulles may have been co-CEOs of the JFK assassination. They, along with Johnson's close friend Hoover, were the co-CEOs of the COVERUP of the JFK Assassination.

I think it is extremely important to note that Democrat Lyndon Johnson's number one pick to follow him as president was NELSON ROCKEFELLER. If Edward Lansdale, identified at TSBD by Col. Prouty and Gen. Krulak, and Allen Dulles were involved in JFK's murder, then I think it is reasonable that Nelson Rockefeller was also involved in the planning or approval of the JFK assassination.

I've always thought there was a lot of truth in the following passage (I think that Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy; with the CIA/mafia in charge of the killing and LBJ and his close friend Hoover of the FBI in charge of the cover up.)

From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:

"The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK … During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, JOHNSON of Texas, GEORGE BUSH, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"

I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, p. 638-639]

[Note in 1964, Nelson Rockefeller did not support fellow Republican Barry Goldwater in his race against Lyndon Johnson. I think Rockefeller was implicitly supporting Johnson to ensure the coverup of the JFK assassination. It is not like Rockefeller was not a hawk like Goldwater; Rockefeller had urged John Kennedy to use tactical nukes on North Vietnam.

In April 1968, Lyndon Johnson was doing everything he could to encourage/prod Nelson Rockefeller to run for president. In fact Rockefeller was LBJ's #1 choice to succeed him and Democrat Johnson told Republican Rockefeller that he would not campaign against in a general election (source: Dallek's book). I think LBJ's support of Rockefeller for president had a lot to do with the continued JFK assassination cover up.]

Robert,

How many times have you been asked for evidence concerning LBJ's role as the mastermind behind the JFK assassination? You have never responded to these iquiries except to reiterate your line that LBJ was a serial killer in bed with the Rockefellers.

The Kennedy family was and still is to this day, in bed with some of the most notorious drug interests on the planet.

Not too long ago I posted the FBI file showing Edward Kennedy was working with the KGB in an effort to destroy the "Strategic Defense Initiative" of Ronald Reagan, which would have made nuclear weapons obsolete. Edward Kennedy was acting as a traitor against his own country. On who's behalf was he working?

So there's enough dirty laundry to go around for everyone.

Good on him. It would have destroyed M.A.D.. Non US N weapons would have been obsolete (not that I believe Raygonzos SDI ever would have worked, do you?). I'd say that like every other person who has or is working to balance power and prevent anyone (particularly US capital) from achieving supremacy works for the greater good of humanity.

It was intended to destroy the hideous policy of Bertrand Russell's Mutually Assured Destruction. The planet had been living under the threat of thermo nuclear annihilation since 1945. Do you recall the Cuban Missiles Crisis? Besides the Soviets had been working on "beam weapons" since the early 1960's.

Reagan offered joint collaboration with the Soviets, just as JFK had planned to offer the Soviets mutual cooperation in space.

But the SDI would have ended nuclear missiles as a "terror" weapon. They would have been rendered impotent.

Edward Kennedy as an agent of the enemy of the United States was deployed by that enemy to sabotage the SDI with help of the KGB and other "MAD" advocates inside the Soviet Union. Andropov, Gorbachev, etc.

But Edward Kennedy's traitorous behavior is quite a shocker to the average American citizen. Your hatred of the United States is obvious. It's also misplaced. The real Empire on this planet and the only real menace to humanity is the British Empire of which Australia is a part. You throw around the word "capitalism" like you really know what you're refering to. There are two systems at war. The British monetary system of free trade and usury, and the American System of Politcal Economy.

But the technology was available to render nuclear offensive weapons impotent. The SDI would also act like a "science driver" project much like JFK's Apollo moon landing program. The SDI was the crowning moment of the Reagan Presidency. It changed history.

http://wlym.com/~oak...mRevolution.wmv

I don't hate the US, it's a landmass containing human beings ruled by a corrupt establishment. This ties in to the other point we almost discussed. You can't separate your self from this corrupt system. You are your US, for good or evil. Raygonzo was wreaking havoc on innocents throughout latin america, while flooding the streets of the US with drugs. To leave the fate of the world in the hands of such a corrupt lobby driven establishment with an arsenal that holds the whole world to ransom is terror. Its unwanted wanton interference in the sovereignty of other nations is terror. You condone and applaud this terror.

Raygonzo was going through the freeze cycle of the cold war forcing the cccp to spend more on defense. That was really the point of his sf fantasy. You seem to have nestled into a coomfortable fantasy of your own regarding capitalism. Where you get it from I don't kmow, and no I don't defend the corruption of the british commonwealth either.

The threat of nuclear annihilation was instigated by the US. It's the only nation to have used it. Needlessly. I don't trust the keepers of it as far as I could throw a stick.

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John,

Once again your way off base. How would the development of SDI hold the world up to terror? Wasnt that the basic premise of MAD? Of course it was. That's why I asked you if you remembered the Cuban Missiles Crisis. The population thought they would be killed in a nuclear exchange between the Soviets and USA.

Reagan moved to eliminate nuclear missiles as a terror. What he called "revenge weapons".

The policy of Mutually Assured Destruction was the brain child of Lord Bertrand Russell, the pacifist :lol:

Russell held a series of Pugwash conferences in the late 1950's with emissaries from the Soviet Union along with the likes of British travelers in this country Mc George Bundy and Henry Kissinger. This idea of holding the world hostage in a game of nuclear bluff was Russell's way of moving toward world government.

During the Missiles Crisis Russell sent JFK several cables calling him a "madman" and calling him worse than Hitler. You can get these cables from the JFK library. All you have to do is ask for them. What Russell was trying to do was insinuate himself into the negotiation process (he virtually owned Kruchev). He had hoped that world would become so frightened by the Missile Crisis that he could negotiate for an international organization to "control" nuclear weapons.

Ronald Reagan turned over the chess board when he announced his intention to develop the SDI on March 23, 1983. The Russellites in Britian and Soviet Union as well as the USA nearly had a heart attack.

By the way. Ronald Reagan wasnt responsible for the Iran Contra drug running scandal. That honor belongs our former President "Sir George Herbert Walker Bush", Maggie Thatchers pet poodle. It was his "12333" apparatus that ran the drugs. Besides it's the British Empire that runs the international narcotics trade. No different from the days when the British East India company forced opium on China.

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