How many people did it take to assassinate JFK

[Jim Root]

A lone nutter would say just ONE and provide us with the name Lee Harvey Oswald

Those of us who believe in a conspiracy seem to have taken on a much more difficult project when it comes to identifing those responsible for the death of Kennedy.

After all how many people (and who were they) did it take to pull off the assassination in your opinion?

How many people in Dealy Plaza that day where invovled? How many within the Secret Service or at Parkland Hospital or within the CIA? How many did it take to collect and alter films or enter the TSBD and plant the weapon recovered from that building? How many Dallas police officers were involved? How many people were in place to alter the body of the President while it returned to Washington and how many people were needed to fake the autopsey? How many people worked with Jack Ruby to kill Oswald that were within the Dallas Police Department or invovled with organized crime or recruited Ruby to do the deed? How many people did it take to set up Oswald in Mexico, in New Orleans, in Dallas before and after he went to New Orleans? How many people were involved in Oswald's defection to the Soviet Union and arranging his return to the United States? Exactly what planted evidence needed which sort of people to be in place to create the Warren Commission story? How many people have been involved over the years to silence how many whitnesses or to eliminate what loose ends?

The above is just a short list to begin with but it would be interesting to compile a complete list of how many and the who's you believe were necessary to accomplish this coup.

Not trying to debate each entry but rather provide an opportunity for everyone to list all the persons (even if they are just called "Badge Man") they believe it took to assassinate the President.....remember it takes more than one to have a conspiracy but there is no limit for the total number novlved.

Jim Root

[David Von Pein]

Remember it takes more than one to have a conspiracy but there is no limit for the total number involved.

No kidding. Just ask Don Adams. He's got eleven shots being fired from God knows how many guns.

And Bob Groden is almost as bad. Bob has 8 to 10 shots being fired from at least 3 or 4 locations.

I think a better question for the conspiracy theorists who think LHO was set up and framed as a lone patsy would be:

WHY would any of the conspirators have even WANTED to risk the whole "patsy" ballgame by utilizing two, three, or four gunmen in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63?

[Cliff Varnell]

Remember it takes more than one to have a conspiracy but there is no limit for the total number involved.

No kidding. Just ask Don Adams. He's got eleven shots being fired from God knows how many guns.

And Bob Groden is almost as bad. Bob has 8 to 10 shots being fired from at least 3 or 4 locations.

I think a better question for the conspiracy theorists who think LHO was set up and framed as a lone patsy would be:

WHY would any of the conspirators have even WANTED to risk the whole "patsy" ballgame by utilizing two, three, or four gunmen in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63?

Because the assassination was designed to look like a conspiracy, imo.

A Castro conspiracy.

If Oswald had been gunned down soon after Kennedy then a (phony) hunt would have

been on for his accomplices (or so I speculate), but because he was captured alive

that option had to be immediately dropped.

[David Von Pein]

Because the assassination was designed to look like a conspiracy, imo.

Better go tell those CTers who believe in a massive "Oswald Frame-Up" that they've got it all wrong then, Cliff.

[Cliff Varnell]

Because the assassination was designed to look like a conspiracy, imo.

Better go tell those CTers who believe in a massive "Oswald Frame-Up" that they've got it all wrong then, Cliff.

Oh, Oswald was framed, all right.

But the ultimate target of the frame was Fidel Castro.

Oswald was a little patsy.

As to the substance of Jim's question, I hesitate to speculate.

Edited September 22, 2010 by Cliff Varnell

[Jim Root]

Please.....if you believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone then that is all that you would need to list....but if on the other hand you do not believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone then please add additional names (or some sort of identification) and what their actions would have been in the conspiracy.

Not looking for discussion or to pass judgements on peoples thoughts just to compile a list of persons YOU think were invovled and the manner of their involvement......nothing more.

Thank You,

Jim root

[David Von Pein]

Not looking for discussion or to pass judgements on peoples thoughts, just to compile a list of persons YOU think were involved and the manner of their involvement......nothing more.

Lee Harvey Oswald.

Edited September 22, 2010 by David Von Pein

[William Kelly]

Please.....if you believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone then that is all that you would need to list....but if on the other hand you do not believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone then please add additional names (or some sort of identification) and what their actions would have been in the conspiracy.

Not looking for discussion or to pass judgements on peoples thoughts just to compile a list of persons YOU think were invovled and the manner of their involvement......nothing more.

Thank You,

Jim root

Well, in looking at a few case studies of similar assassinations, you have quite a variety, from the lone wolf Jackel who is portrayed in the film Day of the Jackel, a true professional who was hired by the French Algerian OAS, to the three dozen assassins and support and surveillance teams that made MOSAD hit team in Dubai, you have the less than a dozen who killed the Chilian ambassador to USA in DC, and the three or four man cell that killed Rabbi Kahane in NYC.

Even if Oswald was the lone shooter and assassin and everything lines up just as the Warren Report recounts, Oswald's true personality profile as a Covert Operative certainly makes whatever happened at Dealey Plaza a covert intelligence operation conducted by agents on a need to know basis by an intelligence network that operated on the condition of plausible deniability.

That doesn't mean that we can't figure out who they were and how they did it.

So whether it was one man alone, ala the Jackel, or a complete theater full of actors, as in Dubai, the significant fact is that whatever happened there was not the result of any deranged, psychopathic loser.

BKelly

[Guest Robert Morrow]

Here are the folks who I think were involved in the murder of John Kennedy. Some folks had foreknowledge and were participants in the planning of the murder of JFK. Some were elite sponsors and some actually physically carried out the assassination. Other folks knew the truth and actively covered up the assassination, protecting the LBJ/CIA murderers of JFK. Some of these folks were sponsors, some carried out the field operations, others just knew about it in advance and approved the JFK murder. Note how many of these guys were hawkish CIA Republicans – that is who Lyndon Johnson made his dirty deal with. Also, note I think Texas oil men like HL Hunt, Clint Murchison, Sr were making a deal with the white hot core of the Eastern establishment such as Nelson Rockefeller, Allen Dulles. GHW Bush, like Lyndon Johnson was a man of linked the 2 groups. Lyndon Johnson, GHW Bush, Allen Dulles were tightly allied with both Texas and New York. John J. McCloy, who I do not think was involved in the JFK assassination, was HEAVILY involved in the cover up. McCloy was also a key link in the Texas - New York connection; many of his friends murdered JFK.

1) Lyndon Johnson – Mastermind of the JFK assassination. The job of the CIA was to do the actual slaughtering of JFK. Both Lyndon Johnson and the CIA were up to their ears in the JFK assassination. The job of LBJ and Hoover was to cover up the assassination.

2) J. Edgar Hoover of FBI- I think he had foreknowledge. Like LBJ, he hated the Kennedys. Elite sponsor of JFK assassination.

3) Allen Dulles, head of CIA fired by JFK. #1 Cover up artist on Warren Commission. First one picked by LBJ to be on Warren Commission sham. Allen Dulles may very well have been a co-CEO of the JFK assassination along with Lyndon Johnson: the CIA/mafia in charge of the killing and LBJ and his close friend J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI in charge of the cover up. Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination.

4) Nelson Rockefeller – hated the Kennedys. Very deep and longstanding CIA. Close working relationship with Allen Dulles. If Dulles was in on it, then Nelson Rockefeller was in on it. [note Henry Kissinger was Nelson’s closest aide for decades.] Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination. Very significantly, Lyndon Johnson’s #1 pick to be president in spring 1968: to keep the JFK murder cover up going.

5) George Herbert Walker Bush – High ranking Texas CIA in 1963. Oil industry. A top political and CIA player even in 1961 when he organized Bay of Pigs invasion at age 37. Lied about not being in the CIA; also says he can’t remember where he was when JFK was assassinated. Who does this joker think he is fooling? His dad Prescott Bush was close friends with Allen Dulles and Prescott later wrote a letter saying he never forgave JFK for firing Allen Dulles from CIA. Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination.

6) Gen. Edward Lansdale – CIA (probably the guy running the field operation for the assassination on site at Dealey Plaza. He was photographed on the side walk just west of TSBD and identified by Col. Fletcher Prouty and Gen. Victor Krulak. Ed Lansdale was a pet of the Dulles brothers and the CIA Georgetown set. I absolutely believe Gen. Ed Lansdale was a key player in the JFK assassination. Very key player.

7) H.L. Hunt – Texas oil billionaire, LBJ supporter, JFK hater. LBJ told his most beloved mistress Madeleine Brown that it was the Texas oil fat cats and the CIA who murdered JFK. Lyndon Johnson forgot to add that they murdered JFK on Johnson’s behalf! Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination.

8) Clint Murchison, Sr. If Hunt was in it, then Murchison was in it. Murchison was close friends with cover up artist Hoover at the FBI. Murchison was all mobbed up with close ties to his friend Carlos Marcello in New Orleans and the Genovese family in New York. The Murchison maid reported that champagne, cavier and joy overflowed at the Murchison house the week after JFK was assassinated. Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination.

9) Cliff Carter – very close LBJ aide; certainly involved in the JFK assassination as well as many other murders for Lyndon Johnson. Cliff Carter was the political director for LBJ as well as his assassinations director.

10) Malcolm Wallace – LBJ’s personal hit man. Billie Sol Estes reports how he, LBJ, Cliff Carter and Malcolm Wallace used murders to cover up LBJ’s gargantuan political and criminal liabilities. Malcolm Wallace probably coordinated in the field with the CIA murderers of JFK.

11) Ed Clark – LBJ’s lawyer and close friend. He was probably coordinating with HL Hunt, Clint Murchison and the CIA regarding the JFK assassination. Ed Clark was an extremely powerful power broker in Texas at this time. Huge power – in on JFK assassination.

12) James Angleton – probably running Lee Harvey Oswald, supervising Oswald’s sheep dipping and setting him up to be the pasty of the JFK assassination. Blame it on Cuba/Russia, perhaps to justify an invasion of Cuba. Also, very close to Allen Dulles – Angleton even carried the ashes of Dulles in an urn at Dulles’ funeral, that is how close they were.

13) Richard Helms – CIA, started its MK-ULTRA mind control programs, helped to cover up JFK assassination. Probably in on it in advance.

14) David Morales – top CIA assassin for latin America. Ran the Miami operations against Castro. In Operation Mongoose. JFK hater. Later said we got the bastard, didn’t we. Yes, he was in on it in the field game.

15) E. Howard Hunt – CIA. Hated JFK after Bay of Pigs fiasco. He was in on it.

16) Frank Sturgis – CIA JFK after Bay of Pigs fiasco. He was in on it.

17) David Atlee Phillips – CIA Mexico City Station chief. May have been running Oswald out in the field. Phillips was “Maurice Bishop” and he and Antonio Veciana met with Oswald in Dallas in September, 1963.

17) continued: other CIA men probably involved: Ted Shackley, Tracy Barnes, Desmond Fitzgerald. Ted Shackley worked very closed with GHW Bush.

18) Curtis LeMay – head of the Air Force. Ultra-hawk, wanted to start WWIII and just get it over with. Big time JFK hater. Almost certainly he was in on, aware of and supporting the JFK assassination. Was at JFK’s autopsy, chewing on a cigar and grinning. LeMay hated the Kennedys with the same intensity as Johnson hated the Kennedys.

19) Henry Cabot Lodge – US ambassador to Vietnam, was about to be fired by JFK on 11/24/10 for insubordination. Lodge liked Ed Lansdale and wanted Lansdale’s services in Vietnam. On 11/21/63, the day before the JFK assassination, Henry Cabot Lodge was making phone calls in the lobby of his Hawaiian hotel (2 reasons, no record of who he was calling [probably the JFK murderers} and also so he could not be taped recorded on a phone.) Lodge had been openly insubordinate of JFK in his role as ambassador.

20) William King Harvey – fired from Operation Mongoose by Kennedy. Close friends with suave mob hit man Johnny Rosselli. JFK hater to the max. Very likely in on JFK assassination.

21) Johnny Rosselli – suave mob hitman for Chicago’s Sam Giancana. Extremely close friends with CIA assassin/ CIA expert player William King Harvey. Rosselli later said Jack Ruby was one of our guys and we got him to kill Oswald. Tosh Plumlee says he flew in Rosselli to Dallas for an “abort mission” on 11/22/63. Guess that mission did not work out too well! Rosselli was involved in the JFK assassination; may even have been a shooter.

22) Jack Ruby – killed Oswald to cover up plot. And he was probably in on the JFK assassination ahead of time with the mob, the CIA and/or including Lyndon Johnson’s people.l

23) James Rowley, head of the Secret Service. The Secret Service protection was so bad and so non-existent in Dallas, it seems likely that Secret Service leadership was involved in the JFK assassination. Many of the Secret Service agents on the ground were just following the orders of their superiors, just like the Dallas motorcycle cops that for the most part were not around JFK’s limo.

24) Col. Howard Burris. One of the most important men in the Pentagon at this time 1963 and a very close military aide to Lyndon Johnson. He was very close friend of Richard Helms and most likely a CIA asset with a military cover. He got very rich after the JFK assassination.

25) Carlos Marcello and Santos Trafficante: these guys had close ties with CIA and anti-Castro Cubans. The actual shooters of the JFK assassination were either Operation 40 guys or elite mafia hitmen in the Southern USA. Of course, Jimmy Hoffa wanted Kennedy dead, too, but he was probably not an actual player in the logistics of the operation. Hoffa was probably just cheering them on. Johnny Rosselli may very well have been one of the shooters:

In the early 1990s', Frank Ragano told journalists a story, repeated in his book Mob Lawyer, that Ragano had taken a message from Hoffa to Trafficante and Carlos Marcello to carry out the murder of the President. Ragano wrote that in 1987 a seriously-ill Trafficante told him that he and Marcello had carried out the order, but that he had misgivings - "I think Carlos f**ked up in getting rid of Giovanni (John) -- maybe it should have been Bobby."

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Santos_Trafficante_-_It_Should_Have_Been_Bobby

26) David Ferrie – was a pilot and very close aide to Carlos Marcello. Ferrie was a hard core JFK –hater; he considered JFK a communist and Ferri was very concerned about Castro in Cuba. David Ferrie knew Lee Harvey Oswald from Civil Air Patrol. I think in some way Ferrie was involved in the lower level logistics/planning of the JFK assassination. David Ferrie was also an expert in Napoleanic Law and was sitting at Carlos Marcello’s side when he was acquitted and not deported on 11/22/63.

Other folks like Arlen Specter, Gerald Ford, James McCoy, Jack Valenti, Bill Moyers may not have been killers, but probably knew the truth and helped to cover it up after the fact. Atty. General Robert Kennedy’s top aide at Justice Nicholas Katzenbach helped cover it up as well. As did MANY CIA assets in the print and TV media.

As for Lee Harvey Oswald, I lean toward the view that he was completely set up to be the “patsy” of the assassination by the CIA. He probably did not kill Officer Tippitt either. If Oswald was one of the killers/plotters/shooters, then he was doing an operation at the behest of the CIA and Lyndon Johnson. The whole case against Oswald was pretty much a fabrication by the CIA and FBI. Oswald was probably a low level CIA agent who probably acted as an informer for the FBI, who were rivals to the CIA.

John J. McCloy, the chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations from 1953-1970, was heavily involved in the cover up of the JFK assassination with his role on the Warren Commission, along with Allen Dulles and Gerald Ford.

Edited September 22, 2010 by Robert Morrow

[William Kelly]

Please.....if you believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone then that is all that you would need to list....but if on the other hand you do not believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone then please add additional names (or some sort of identification) and what their actions would have been in the conspiracy.

Not looking for discussion or to pass judgements on peoples thoughts just to compile a list of persons YOU think were invovled and the manner of their involvement......nothing more.

Thank You,

Jim root

If you want a list of those who were involved in the assassination and coverup, rather than just speculate, you can list the crimes that were committed by persons other than Oswald, and there are many, including aiding and abetting, Pinkerton Doctrine (Paines, Frazer), whoever supplied the bullets, stealing the body from Dallas, destruction of evidence, obstruction of justice, perjury, conspiracy and homicide.

BK

[Bernice Moore]

NOT TO DIVERT BUT...ROBERT ; QUOTE ''Many of the Secret Service agents on the ground were just following the orders of their superiors,'' THERE IS NO KNOWN DOCUMENTATION OF ANY KIND, THAT ANY OTHER REAL SECRET SERVICE AGENTS WERE ON THE GROUND WITHIN DEALEY THAT DAY, THERE WERE MANY REPORTS OF MEN WHO SAID THEY WERE AND SOME SHOWING I.D BUT WHEN THE STATS WERE CHECKED THEY WERE NOT, THE ONLY ONE MENTIONED ON THE GROUND WITHIN THE PARK AREA WAS SSAIC DALLAS SORRELS...WHOM CAMERAMAN ORVILLE NIX KNEW AND SPOKE TO, BOTH SAYING SHOTS OR A SHOT CAME FROM THE FENCE AREA,THE OTHER DALLAS SS WERE AT THE TRADE MART, IF YOU HAVE ANY PLEASE LET US KNOW, THANKS B...

Edited September 23, 2010 by Bernice Moore

[David Josephs]

Remember it takes more than one to have a conspiracy but there is no limit for the total number involved.

No kidding. Just ask Don Adams. He's got eleven shots being fired from God knows how many guns.

And Bob Groden is almost as bad. Bob has 8 to 10 shots being fired from at least 3 or 4 locations.

I think a better question for the conspiracy theorists who think LHO was set up and framed as a lone patsy would be:

WHY would any of the conspirators have even WANTED to risk the whole "patsy" ballgame by utilizing two, three, or four gunmen in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63?

DVP - what answer, if any, would you be willing to have a real discussion about rather than the eye-rolling, name calling BS you usually post?

WHY anyone, or a group of anyones WANTS to do anything is and will always be pure speculation - and you know that, which is why I assume you even ask the question that way. Be like you trying to tell me WHY Oswald WANTED to do it.... you can't know for sure, even if Oswald was to have been quoted as saying, "I killed JFK because....."

The only things you cannot refute are the facts and as we've seen in post after post, all you have against the facts is eye-rolling and insults. Your one sided persecution of LHO in the face of a mountain of evidence borders on maniacal.

Have you never simply stepped back and began anew? Without preconception or conclusion and look at what you believe to be reasonable arguments from both sides - or are you such the LHO zealot that reason and discussion do not have a place. That objective discussion, research and investigation is simply not allowed?

What concerns me most is your inability to accept that there is an opposing argument. that it is valid and well supported.

while time and time again your WCR evidence is shown to be badly flawwed and in most cases inadmissable as evidence.

So I'll ask you... why assassinate the president and then deny it if at each point along the process you are going to CONSCIOUSLY leave clues that lead directly back to you?

Oswald orders the rifle and gun as Hidell - while keeping multiple wallets with Hidell AND Oswald identification together

Oswald somehow gets ammunition for the MC

Oswald goes to Mexico City and is recorded on the telephone exhibiting very suspicious behavior

Oswald carries the rifle to work in a paper bag

Oswald builds the rifle and sniper's nest (with an absolute minimum of fingerprints)

Oswald waits until the very last second, knowing full well that JFK's limo will be late, to get into position

Oswald fires three shots, 2 of which are the most incredible in the history of gun fire

Oswald flees the scene but leaves behind the rifle, the shells, the clip(?) and the paper bag supposedly with his fingerprints

Oswald encounters Truly and Baker, and yet, after pulling off the most daring assassination in history - is calm and unaware

Oswald casually walks out the front door and within 20 minutes of the assassination is basically a free man except for the enormous paper and evidence trail he's left behind, at his own hand and with no indication of any attempt to hide or conceal his actions

so this basically free man, who has in the months prior been shown to drive, practice with the rifle, get the scope mounted, shoot at Walker, talk about killing the president to a number of people, go to Mexico where even more incriminating evidence is generated by none other than Oswald himself.

After all of this David, he's going to say he didn't do it, that he was a patsy due to his Russian past, and that he needs Abt to represent him. He says he didn't kill anyone.

Now, if you have the sincerity of purpose you proport to have, please read thru http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/26th_Issue/2_lho.html and see how your WCR evidence is at the very least questionable, which in turn creates a thing called REASONABLE DOUBT.

You simply cannot convict Oswald because you feel like it. As long as there is any reasonable doubt - which there obviously is - guilt is not an option.

Unlike the others though, I will not be getting into a discussion over this, or any other topic with you for it is obvious to me you "aint gonn alearn what you dont want to know". You remind me of Ptolemy....

Ptolemy, however, claimed to have derived his geometrical models from selected astronomical observations by his predecessors spanning more than 800 years, though astronomers have for centuries suspected that his models' parameters were adopted independently of observations. (just like you DVP... independent of the facts and observation, you refuse to consider anything in opposition to your OPINION.)

Ptolemy's model, like those of his predecessors, was geocentric and was almost universally accepted until the appearance of simpler heliocentric models during the scientific revolution.

The prevailing theory in Europe as Copernicus was writing was that created by Ptolemy in his Almagest, dating from about 150 A.D. Through the Middle Ages it was spoken of as the authoritative text on astronomy, with its author becoming an almost mythical figure, called Ptolemy, King of Alexandria. The Ptolemaic system drew on many previous theories that viewed Earth as a stationary center of the universe. Stars were embedded in a large outer sphere which rotated relatively rapidly, while the planets dwelt in smaller spheres between—a separate one for each planet. To account for apparent anomalies in this view, such as the apparent retrograde motion of the planets, a system of deferents and epicycles was used. The planet was said to revolve in a small circle (the epicycle) about a center, which itself revolved in a larger circle (the deferent) about a center on or near the Earth.

Oswald did it = the world is flat and everything revolves around the Earth

Either one is easily provable, providing one does not look at the arguments against.

[David Von Pein]

David J.,

Oswald didn't have it in his mind to kill JFK until just a few days before November 22nd (at most).

I think that is obvious via the things that Oswald could and could not have known leading up to Friday, 11/22.

He couldn't have known for sure the President would drive by the front door of his workplace until (at the earliest) Tuesday morning, Nov. 19th. He might have GUESSED that Kennedy might make the Houston-to-Elm turn, but he couldn't have KNOWN it for certain until Nov. 19.

Oswald's solo act of murder on Nov. 22 reeks of a "last minute" effort on LHO's part, including his unusual ride with Wesley Frazier to Irving to get his rifle on Thursday, Nov. 21 and his really crappy escape plan (if he even had one formed in his mind).

But the FACTS and EVIDENCE aren't lying to us. And those facts and evidence are screaming out the name of the one and only killer of President Kennedy--and that killer's name was Lee H. Oswald.

And I wonder why so many people are ready and eager to just toss all of the abundance of "Oswald Is Guilty" evidence out the nearest window.

For, if ALL of the many, many pieces of evidence stacked up against Oswald have been faked or planted, then miracles truly are possible in this world in which we live.

Mr. Sturdivan:

"While one of the pieces of physical evidence could conceivably have been faked by an expert, there is no possibility that an expert, or team of super-experts, could have fabricated the perfectly coordinated whole. This brings to mind the recurrent theme in most conspiracy books. All the officials alternate between the role of "Keystone Kops," with the inability to recognize the implications of the most elementary evidence, and "evil geniuses," with superhuman abilities to fake physical evidence that is in complete agreement with all the other faked evidence." -- Larry M. Sturdivan; Page 246 of "The JFK Myths" (c.2005)

Edited September 23, 2010 by David Von Pein

[David Von Pein]

ADDENDUM:

David J.,

Do you really think that the following question (which I asked earlier on this forum) is an unreasonable question for me to ask of the conspiracy theorists who think Lee Oswald was being set up and framed as a "patsy" to take the fall for JFK's murder? Am I just exhibiting my "maniacal" behavior and attitudes toward Oswald when I asked this perfectly reasonable and logical question, which is a question that CTers should be pulling their hair out trying to answer in any kind of a believable and rational fashion?:

WHY would any of the conspirators have even WANTED to risk the whole "patsy" ballgame by utilizing two, three, or four gunmen in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63?

Edited September 23, 2010 by David Von Pein

[Guest Robert Morrow]

NOT TO DIVERT BUT...ROBERT ; QUOTE ''Many of the Secret Service agents on the ground were just following the orders of their superiors,'' THERE IS NO KNOWN DOCUMENTATION OF ANY KIND, THAT ANY OTHER REAL SECRET SERVICE AGENTS WERE ON THE GROUND WITHIN DEALEY THAT DAY, THERE WERE MANY REPORTS OF MEN WHO SAID THEY WERE AND SOME SHOWING I.D BUT WHEN THE STATS WERE CHECKED THEY WERE NOT, THE ONLY ONE MENTIONED ON THE GROUND WITHIN THE PARK AREA WAS SSAIC DALLAS SORRELS...WHOM CAMERMAN ORVILLE NIX KNEW AND SPOKE TO, BOTH SAYING SHOTS OR A SHOT CAME FROM THE FENCE AREA, IF YOU HAVE ANY PLEASE LET US KNOW, THANKS B...

By "on the ground," I do not mean at Dealey Plaza, where there were no real Secret Service men, only imposter Secret Service men working for the assassins. I mean the Secret Service men in Kennedy's detail who made sure the bubble top was not on; who were not close to his limo, who did not check the buildings for snipers or open windows.

The vast majority of these guys were "just following orders" of corrupted superiors who were involved in the JFK assassination plot. Ditto the Dallas motorcycle police who were NOT surrounding JFK's limo and allowed Kennedy to be in such a line of fire. They were just "following orders" to scale back the security protection and leave the limo open and vulnerable.