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Doug Weldon Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 (edited) I have the highest respect for William Reymond and the late Rich DellaRosa. I believe they saw a filmas they described and I cannot conceive that someone could have "added" to the film so I believe their accounts are truthful. I have another first hand account from an officer in the motorcade who saw the limo stop. I do not believe he has been named before. Doug Weldon Edited October 13, 2010 by Doug Weldon Link to post Share on other sites
David Andrews Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 At least at one time, there had to be another version on film of the elements we see reconstituted in the edited Zapruder. Therefore -- Link to post Share on other sites
Kathleen Collins Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I have the highest respect for William Reymond and the late Rich DellaRosa. I believe they saw a filmas they described and I cannot conceive that someone could have "added" to the film so I believe their accounts are truthful. I have another first hand account from an officer in the motorcade who saw the limo stop. I do not believe he has been named before. Doug Weldon Yes. The Limo came to a STOP. Read this: The limo came to a STOP. A clean, shiny trunk and no limo stop? Baloney. Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Miller Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I cannot believe there are those who continue to claim the limo came to a complete stop. That is not to say that depending on where one was in relation to the limo ... they could have seen it this way. However, there are many more people who said the limo slowed or came to a near stop or what some people call a rolling stop. As far as this other film ... I am reminded that there were a lot of folks claiming to have seen it, but their versions varied quite a bit. So which other film was the correct one? Bill Link to post Share on other sites
Dean Hagerman Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 (edited) I believe Rich Dellarosa He has told me personally through email about the other film I believe him 100% RIP Rich Edited October 13, 2010 by Dean Hagerman Link to post Share on other sites
Kathy Beckett Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 (edited) I found this and posted the link to it on another forum regarding Reymond and the Other Film. (Noted for copyright reasons per the rules of Above Top secret): Jim Marrs; a member of AboveTopSecret.com Title of the message thread, Hunt for the Truth From Jim: Howdy ipsedixit, Unfortunately, I have heard nothing further from William Reymond and his claim of obtaining an unedited version of the Zapruder film from a French intelligence agent except that Reymond told one researcher that his intelligence contact had been murdered and that he was dropping out of sight. I wish I knew more. Jim Marrs http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304691/pg1 Edited October 13, 2010 by Kathy Beckett Link to post Share on other sites
Kathy Beckett Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Doug, Where, in relation to the limo, was the officer you said that told you the limo stopped? Kathy Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Weldon Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Doug, Where, in relation to the limo, was the officer you said that told you the limo stopped? Kathy Kathy: He was on Houston. He will be in my book. Best, Doug Weldon Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Weldon Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I cannot believe there are those who continue to claim the limo came to a complete stop. That is not to say that depending on where one was in relation to the limo ... they could have seen it this way. However, there are many more people who said the limo slowed or came to a near stop or what some people call a rolling stop. As far as this other film ... I am reminded that there were a lot of folks claiming to have seen it, but their versions varied quite a bit. So which other film was the correct one? Bill Bill: I am not aware that there were "lots" of folks who saw another film. The ones who have claimed to see it have been remarkably consistent. What variations are you making reference to? The Zapruder film does not show any "near stop" so what is it that you believe that these people saw? The witness (police officer) who relayed his account to me was and is well respected. Good luck. Doug Weldon Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Meyer Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I'm unsure how to vote. I'm agnostic as to what William Reymond says in the YouTube clip. (I try to be vigorously agnostic about all individual accounts relating to this case unless I've seen multiple independent confirmations.) As to whether their is or was film showing more details of the assassination than are publically available now, I'd say yes. And multiple films, not just one. Orville Nix even admitted to Mark Lane that the film he got back from the Feds was not the same as it had been before. (Youtube copy of relevant portion of the "Rush to Judgement" film: ) Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Miller Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 (edited) Bill: I am not aware that there were "lots" of folks who saw another film. The ones who have claimed to see it have been remarkably consistent. What variations are you making reference to? The Zapruder film does not show any "near stop" so what is it that you believe that these people saw? The witness (police officer) who relayed his account to me was and is well respected. Good luck. Doug Weldon DellaRosa's site years ago had a list of people who claimed to have seen the 'other film'. I pointed out that some of those witnesses were saying they saw things that were not part of other peoples description. For instance, one person had said that the 'other film' he saw had shown the President and Connally being shot as the car was making the turn onto Elm Street .... other accounting's didn't mention this. So rightfully so, I responded that there seems to be various versions of this so-called 'other film'. That if this so-called 'other film' had actually been witnessed by 'x' number of people, then each version should show the same sequences of events unfolding. That any difference in their descriptions implies that some of the witnesses are merely jumping on the 'I saw the other film' wagon and didn't see it or they all were telling the truth, but merely describing different films. Bill Edited November 12, 2010 by Bill Miller Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Miller Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Kathy: He was on Houston. He will be in my book. Best, Doug Weldon I hope you have researched his field of view and angle to the limo so to have tested his perception of the event. Some folks saw the parade stop for a few seconds and possibly felt the limo did as well. Others looking at a limo heading away from them and slowing to a near stop may look to be stopped for a brief moment. White House reporter Merriman Smith said that from his angle to the President's car that while the follow-up cars in the parade did come to a halt for a few seconds .... the President's car only faltered. So what I am saying is that a witness can be truthful in saying what they believe they saw, I only advise being thorough in considering whether what they saw was real or not. Bill Link to post Share on other sites
David Andrews Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Since the Z-film is itself an edit and a reassemblage - I have no doubt that a different version (different edit or different camera) existed, and perhaps still does. We might as well ask if bootleg recordings exist. Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Weldon Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Bill: I am not aware that there were "lots" of folks who saw another film. The ones who have claimed to see it have been remarkably consistent. What variations are you making reference to? The Zapruder film does not show any "near stop" so what is it that you believe that these people saw? The witness (police officer) who relayed his account to me was and is well respected. Good luck. Doug Weldon DellaRosa's site years ago had a list of people who claimed to have seen the 'other film'. I pointed out that some of those witnesses were saying they saw things that were not part of other peoples description. For instance, one person had said that the 'other film' he saw had shown the President and Connally being shot as the car was making the turn onto Elm Street .... other accounting's didn't mention this. So rightfully so, I responded that there seems to be various versions of this so-called 'other film'. That if this so-called 'other film' had actually been witnessed by 'x' number of people, then each version should show the same sequences of events unfolding. That any difference in their descriptions implies that some of the witnesses are merely jumping on the 'I saw the other film' wagon and didn't see it or they all were telling the truth, but merely describing different films. Bill Bill: Fair enough and thank you for the reply. I am not familiar with that list of people (how many?). The consistent factors that stand out from those whom I am aware saw another film are that they saw the limo taking a very wide turn on Elm Street(almost hitting the curb by the depository) and that the limo stopped. It does not surprise me that there would be those who would jump on the wagon. Again, thanks. Doug Weldon Link to post Share on other sites
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