Martin Blank Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 What happened to the anti-Castro Cubans following JFK's assassination? Things seemed to get pretty quiet fairly quickly concerning Cuba. I know the larger playground of Vietnam was being opened up even wider for the military and CIA, but I have to think that the anti-Castro Cubans would have expected some sort of quid pro quo for whatever their role was. And it seems that just never happened. I also can't believe that if they had been used and figured out they had been double-crossed they would not have been real happy about it. So what gives. Did the money dry up? Did their masters get preoccupied in SE Asia. Was a dead JFK enough to make them forget returning to their homeland? Why the silence and lack of action? i invite your thoughts. Sorry if this has been covered before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 What happened to the anti-Castro Cubans following JFK's assassination? Things seemed to get pretty quiet fairly quickly concerning Cuba. I know the larger playground of Vietnam was being opened up even wider for the military and CIA, but I have to think that the anti-Castro Cubans would have expected some sort of quid pro quo for whatever their role was. And it seems that just never happened. I also can't believe that if they had been used and figured out they had been double-crossed they would not have been real happy about it. So what gives. Did the money dry up? Did their masters get preoccupied in SE Asia. Was a dead JFK enough to make them forget returning to their homeland? Why the silence and lack of action? i invite your thoughts. Sorry if this has been covered before. Well, I think LBJ made the decision not to follow through on the Phase One - Castro-Commie Conspiracy and go with the Lone Nut Scenario, not invade Cuba, and to divorce the government from all of the anti-Castro Cuban activities, and let the military have their war in Vietnam, using the fake Northwinds Tonkin Gulf incident to get the Congressional Okay to go to war there, with the support of the same Life Mag assets that provided the stills from the Backyard photos and Z-film to brown nose the public, and all but one of the Senators who voted against Tonkin Gulf. Brad Ayers' Zenith Secret book gives some good details of how the CIA wrapped up the entire JMWAVE operation in a matter of months. I'm sure LBJ recognized the Cubans role at Dealey Plaza and wanted to stay away from them or at least as far away from them as possible. I'd like to hear from other people though, as they are just my thoughts on the matter, and I've been wrong before. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 What happened to the anti-Castro Cubans following JFK's assassination? Things seemed to get pretty quiet fairly quickly concerning Cuba. I know the larger playground of Vietnam was being opened up even wider for the military and CIA, but I have to think that the anti-Castro Cubans would have expected some sort of quid pro quo for whatever their role was. And it seems that just never happened. I also can't believe that if they had been used and figured out they had been double-crossed they would not have been real happy about it. So what gives. Did the money dry up? Did their masters get preoccupied in SE Asia. Was a dead JFK enough to make them forget returning to their homeland? Why the silence and lack of action? i invite your thoughts. Sorry if this has been covered before. My thinking is that the "anti-Castro Cubans" involved in the JFK assassination were members of the Santo Trafficante/Meyer Lansky narcotics smuggling organization. Once the "Castro Conspiracy" angle fell by the wayside, due to the capture of Oswald, this organization abandoned its dreams of restoring Havana as the major hub for international narcotics distribution. In 1964 Meyer Lansky set up the base of the operation in the Bahamas. Cuba wasn't going to be re-taken by the Americans, who were then more concerned with the other end of the heroin pipeline in SE Asia, so anti-Castro activities died out. This is not an argument for "The Mob Killed Kennedy," as it seems to me that there were (are) lots of elite fingers in the international narcotics pie. In 1963, elite-level narcotics operations would include the "Texas Mafia" run by the Murchisons and Hunts, the blue-blood Harriman/Walker/Bush interests, such as Zapata Off-Shore and WUBRINY, and elements of the US military and intelligence establishments. That's my take on the subject, at any rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Blank Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 What happened to the anti-Castro Cubans following JFK's assassination? Things seemed to get pretty quiet fairly quickly concerning Cuba. I know the larger playground of Vietnam was being opened up even wider for the military and CIA, but I have to think that the anti-Castro Cubans would have expected some sort of quid pro quo for whatever their role was. And it seems that just never happened. I also can't believe that if they had been used and figured out they had been double-crossed they would not have been real happy about it. So what gives. Did the money dry up? Did their masters get preoccupied in SE Asia. Was a dead JFK enough to make them forget returning to their homeland? Why the silence and lack of action? i invite your thoughts. Sorry if this has been covered before. My thinking is that the "anti-Castro Cubans" involved in the JFK assassination were members of the Santo Trafficante/Meyer Lansky narcotics smuggling organization. Once the "Castro Conspiracy" angle fell by the wayside, due to the capture of Oswald, this organization abandoned its dreams of restoring Havana as the major hub for international narcotics distribution. In 1964 Meyer Lansky set up the base of the operation in the Bahamas. Cuba wasn't going to be re-taken by the Americans, who were then more concerned with the other end of the heroin pipeline in SE Asia, so anti-Castro activities died out. This is not an argument for "The Mob Killed Kennedy," as it seems to me that there were (are) lots of elite fingers in the international narcotics pie. In 1963, elite-level narcotics operations would include the "Texas Mafia" run by the Murchisons and Hunts, the blue-blood Harriman/Walker/Bush interests, such as Zapata Off-Shore and WUBRINY, and elements of the US military and intelligence establishments. That's my take on the subject, at any rate. so patriotism had its price, makes sense. but what of those legitimately interested in returning cuba to democracy. were they cowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 so patriotism had its price, makes sense. but what of those legitimately interested in returning cuba to democracy. were they cowed? Non-funded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Jankiewicz Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I always assumed they were in it strictly for REVENGE for the BOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Blank Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 (edited) I always assumed they were in it strictly for REVENGE for the BOP. so why didn't they react violently to being double crossed if they were led to believe that the part of the plot that johnson turned off (invasion) was really going to happen and then the rug was pulled out. they just dont' seem like the type to go quietly Edited February 13, 2011 by Martin Blank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Jankiewicz Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I always assumed they were in it strictly for REVENGE for the BOP. so why didn't they react violently to being double crossed if they were led to believe that the part of the plot that johnson turned off (invasion) was really going to happen and then the rug was pulled out. they just dont' seem like the type to go quietly Perhaps I wasn't clear. I always assumed the anti-Castro Cubans were brought into the plot expecting little more than the satisfaction that revenge brings. (and probably an extremely healthy pay day) If there is any evidence of other promises made by Johnson I'm certainly not aware of it. Many of the Cubans lost multiple family members and friends because of what they saw as a "double cross" on Kennedy's part in the Bay of Pigs invasion. Of course, the luxury of hindsight shows that there was plenty of blame to go around regarding the BOPs but blind anger isn't all that rational. Sometimes I think the greatest mystery of both the Kennedy assassinations is that neither one of the brothers seemed to see it coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I always assumed they were in it strictly for REVENGE for the BOP. so why didn't they react violently to being double crossed if they were led to believe that the part of the plot that johnson turned off (invasion) was really going to happen and then the rug was pulled out. they just dont' seem like the type to go quietly Two things happened that account for the Cubans post-assassination behavior. For one, they liked it in USA, especially Florida, where they enjoyed the benefits of capitalism, not just having jobs, but creating jobs selling drugs, or whatever it was they got into, and had no reason to want to go back to Cuba. And two, the mob built the casino they had planned for Havana - Caesar's Palace, in Vegas, and they too, had no need to go back to Havana and create competition for their growing enterprises in Las Vegas. While creating an army to go back to take out Castro should have been easy, especially with the returned Bay of Pigs force in the US Army, JMWAVE was cut off and the funds that were going there to finance 400 case officers and 4,000 agents just dried up or was diverted to the new mission in Vietnam and Laos. That's the way I read it anyway. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Frank Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) What happened to the anti-Castro Cubans following JFK's assassination? Things seemed to get pretty quiet fairly quickly concerning Cuba. I know the larger playground of Vietnam was being opened up even wider for the military and CIA, but I have to think that the anti-Castro Cubans would have expected some sort of quid pro quo for whatever their role was. And it seems that just never happened. I also can't believe that if they had been used and figured out they had been double-crossed they would not have been real happy about it. So what gives. Did the money dry up? Did their masters get preoccupied in SE Asia. Was a dead JFK enough to make them forget returning to their homeland? Why the silence and lack of action? i invite your thoughts. Sorry if this has been covered before. I know there are plenty of people who will argue against my knowledge that KGB officers inside the CIA killed President Kennedy, mainly because almost everyone has a theory on who killed JFK and why, but since you asked for perspectives on the anti-Castro Cubans and the assassination, here is mine. To quote some excerpts from my book: KGB officers inside the CIA were behind the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963, and they were responsible for orchestrating the ensuing cover up. The Warren Commission was directed to make a case for no conspiracy while completely relying on and trusting the CIA to investigate an obvious conspiracy, and KGB officers inside the CIA had an easy time feeding the Warren Commission information that implicated their chosen patsies in the assassination, namely, anti-Castro Cubans. The KGB officers foresaw that it would be said that there was a conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy. Even the Warren Commission privately acknowledged a conspiracy. During one of their Executive Sessions, they tried to determine how President Kennedy could have been hit in the front when Oswald, the alleged assassin, was behind the President during the assassination. The KGB officers foresight dictated that they would need someone on whom they could ultimately pin the assassination. Soviet KGB officers inside the CIA were more than happy to blame anti-Castro Cubans for assassinating the President of the United States while the public was being told Oswald was the lone assassin. But if anti-Castro Cubans had actually assassinated President Kennedy, it would mean the Soviets and their Eastern European satellites, along with Cuban Premier Fidel Castro, immediately knew that it was a right-wing conspiracy orchestrated by those demanding a stronger policy against Cuba. There are voluminous CIA and USIA documents detailing the Soviets extensive propaganda campaign to accuse the far right of assassinating President Kennedy. Edited February 14, 2011 by Tony Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Jeffries Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Martin, You ask a very logical question. I have brought this subject up a few times here. I tend to believe that the whole "Cuban" connection to JFK's assassination was designed to be a false trail, much like "the mafia did it" theories, which tend to overlap with it. As you note, if the anti-Castro forces were such a significant part of the conspiracy to kill JFK, they certainly didn't achieve their ultimate goal, which was the ouster of Castro. In fact, Cuba as an American political issue for all intents and purposes died with JFK in Dallas. LBJ did nothing to appease the anti-Castroites, and Goldwater (the ultimate antt-communist candidate) didn't raise it as a campaign issue in 1964. Nixon would have been expected to be friendly to these supposedly powerful forces, but he too ignored Cuba during his years in the White House. I suppose one could say the anti-Castro people were used by the conspirators, and then discarded after the assassination. Maybe so. Still, as you mention they don't seem like the type to go down without a protacted fight, and while they certainly cheered the assassination, in the aftermath they couldn't have been too happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Frank Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I tend to believe that the whole "Cuban" connection to JFK's assassination was designed to be a false trail, much like "the mafia did it" theories, which tend to overlap with it . . . . I suppose one could say the anti-Castro people were used by the conspirators, and then discarded after the assassination. Don, That is precisely my position. By controlling the Warren Commission investigation, the CIA was able to supply details of a plot by CIA-controlled Cuban exiles to kill President Kennedy. But KGB officers inside the CIA were not about to trust the assassination to a third party, and once the deed was done, the Cuban exiles were left holding the bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) What happened to the anti-Castro Cubans following JFK's assassination? Things seemed to get pretty quiet fairly quickly concerning Cuba. I know the larger playground of Vietnam was being opened up even wider for the military and CIA, but I have to think that the anti-Castro Cubans would have expected some sort of quid pro quo for whatever their role was. And it seems that just never happened. I also can't believe that if they had been used and figured out they had been double-crossed they would not have been real happy about it. So what gives. Did the money dry up? Did their masters get preoccupied in SE Asia. Was a dead JFK enough to make them forget returning to their homeland? Why the silence and lack of action? i invite your thoughts. Sorry if this has been covered before. I know there are plenty of people who will argue against my knowledge that KGB officers inside the CIA killed President Kennedy, mainly because almost everyone has a theory on who killed JFK and why, but since you asked for perspectives on the anti-Castro Cubans and the assassination, here is mine. To quote some excerpts from my book: KGB officers inside the CIA were behind the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963, and they were responsible for orchestrating the ensuing cover up. The Warren Commission was directed to make a case for no conspiracy while completely relying on and trusting the CIA to investigate an obvious conspiracy, and KGB officers inside the CIA had an easy time feeding the Warren Commission information that implicated their chosen patsies in the assassination, namely, anti-Castro Cubans. The KGB officers foresaw that it would be said that there was a conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy. Even the Warren Commission privately acknowledged a conspiracy. During one of their Executive Sessions, they tried to determine how President Kennedy "could have been hit in the front" when Oswald, the alleged assassin, was behind the President during the assassination. The KGB officers' foresight dictated that they would need someone on whom they could ultimately pin the assassination. Soviet KGB officers inside the CIA were more than happy to blame anti-Castro Cubans for assassinating the President of the United States while the public was being told Oswald was the lone assassin. But if anti-Castro Cubans had actually assassinated President Kennedy, it would mean the Soviets and their Eastern European satellites, along with Cuban Premier Fidel Castro, immediately knew that it was a right-wing conspiracy orchestrated by "those demanding a stronger policy against Cuba." There are voluminous CIA and USIA documents detailing the Soviet's extensive propaganda campaign to accuse the far right of assassinating President Kennedy. There is no argument against your BS because you're more full of it than blaming the assassination on Ted Kennedy or Donald Duck. There are voluminous CIA documents that detail the CIA's extensive black propaganda campaign to blame the assassination on Castro, the Cubans and by implication - the KGB in the assassination of JFK; and - the USIA - headed by former CBS anchor Edward R. Morrow - who nixed the CIA's Cuban leafleting campaign - is an extension of the CIA's propaganda machine. And don't bother to bring Mitrokin into the story, as we already know he's more full of BS than you are. JFK wasn't killed by the far right, or the Soviets or the CIA or Cubans, he was killed by real men, individuals with real names, and not some agency or department or country that allows you to argue about some BS and not really require anyone be held responsible for the crime. Of course you're not going to tell us who the Soviet KGB officers inside the CIA were - but that's really not necessary, we know that Kim Philby was at the early CIA meetings with Frank Wisner when he set up the Foundation system for financing CIA operations, and Philby told the Soviets everything, so the only ones fooled were the people of the United States. You're book and agenda sounds a lot like Gregory Douglas, Crowley, Col. Corso and the "Zipper Documents" that say the same thing - and have been proven to be faked', and Col. Corso is the guy who leaked the NPIC photos of the Cuban Missiles in Cuba to Sen. Keating and Clare Booth Luce, and he also wrote the book on how the US defense contractors made all their technological advances based on the flying saucer that crashed at Roswell. If you're trial balloon theory that the KGB officers inside the CIA were responsible for the Dealey Plaza operation flies even a few feet, then I'm going to write the difinitive account of how Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck took over the government. BK Edited February 14, 2011 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Blank Posted February 15, 2011 Author Share Posted February 15, 2011 A couple of things: “. . .blind anger isn’t rational” is my point exactly. These were some seriously angry people. Would a corpse and $’s have been enough to overcome a doublecross. As for the notion that “creating an army to go back to take out Castro should have been easy, especially with the returned Bay of Pigs force in the US Army,” I would point to David Shoup’s pre-Bay of Pigs advice (that obviously wasn’t taken): “Shoup advised against both the Bay of Pigs invasion and the commitment of U.S. ground forces in the Vietnam War. When the invasion of Cuba was first discussed, Shoup did a demonstration with maps. Placing a transparent map of Cuba over the United States, he surprised viewers that assumed it was a small island, not 800 miles long. He then put another transparent map overlay over Cuba, with a small red dot. Shoup explained that dot was the size of Tarawa, and ‘it took us three days and eighteen thousand Marines to take it.’ " In those three days, the Marines took 25% casualties and Shoup won the Medal of Honor. Yes, the U.S. could have marshaled a significant enough American force to take the island of Cuba. It wouldn’t have been easy and would in all likelihood have led us down paths we didn’t want to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 What happened to the anti-Castro Cubans following JFK's assassination? Follow the links to find out what happened to the following anti-Castro Cubans that it has been claimed by a variety of researchers were connected to the assassination of JFK: Manuel Artime http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKartimeM.htm Eduardo Perez (Eddie Bayo) http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbayo.htm Orlando Bosch http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbosch.htm Carlos Bringuier http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbringuier.htm Eulalio Francisco Castro Paz (Frank Castro) http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcastroFr.htm Antonio (Tony) Cuesta http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcuesto.htm Armando Lopez Estrada http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKestradaAL.htm Herminio Diaz Garcia http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgarciaH.htm Virgilio (Villo) Gonzalez http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgonzalezV.htm Nestor (Tony) Izquierdo http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKizquierdo.htm Eugenio (Musculito) Martinez http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmartinez.htm Rolando Masferrer http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmasferrerR.htm Ricardo Morales Navarrete http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnavarrete.htm Guillermo Novo http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnovoG.htm Manuel Orcarberrio http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKorcarberrio.htm Luis Posada http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKposada.htm Carlos Prio Socarrás http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKprio.htm Rafael (Chi Chi) Quintero http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKquintero.htm Félix Ismael Rodríguez http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKroderiguez.htm Felipe Vidal Santiago http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKsantiago.htm Sergio Arcacha-Smith http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKarcacha.htm Tony Sforza http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKsforza.htm Bernardo De Torres http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKtorres.htm Eladio del Valle http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKeladio.htm Manual Antonio de Verona (Tony Varona) http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKvarona.htm Antonio Veciana http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKveciana.htm Rafael Villaverde http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKvillaverde.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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