Crimson Rose: The secret CIA project

[Douglas Caddy]

Crimson Rose: The secret CIA project

Crimson Rose, an acronym, was a 400 page CIA document whose title was “Confidential Report on Intelligence of Military Secret Operations on Nixon” and whose subtitle was “Report of Operations of Secret Surveillance and Eavesdropping.”

My article, Crimson Rose and The Secret of the Two Keys, can be found on:

http://www.watergateexposed.com/

and also on

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17478

I am posting this information on the JFK Assassination Debate because my article also deals with Howard Hunt and his deathbed confession about the role of certain CIA agents in the assassination.

[Guest Robert Morrow]

Crimson Rose: The secret CIA project

Crimson Rose, an acronym, was a 400 page CIA document whose title was “Confidential Report on Intelligence of Military Secret Operations on Nixon” and whose subtitle was “Report of Operations of Secret Surveillance and Eavesdropping.”

My article, Crimson Rose and The Secret of the Two Keys, can be found on:

http://www.watergateexposed.com/

and also on

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17478

I am posting this information on the JFK Assassination Debate because my article also deals with Howard Hunt and his deathbed confession about the role of certain CIA agents in the assassination.

Excellent, Doug! I have just submitted a review for your book Watergate Exposed at Amazon. Folks, this is incredibly important stuff and I think it will make a big contribution to "revisionist" history on Watergate. Apparently, CIA, NSA and FBI key players wanted Nixon OUT of the White House. The big question is WHY? Maybe this book and fellow Education Forum members can provide the answers. I do know that his VP Gerald Ford was the FBI's man on the Warren Commission and in 1970 Newseek Magazine called Ford the CIA's man in Congress.

But what has always puzzled me is why CIA/NSA/FBI would try to take down Nixon in the middle of the 1972 campaign. If the Watergate scandal had blossomed in 1972, you could have George McGovern as president and I don't see how that would make CIA/NSA/FBI Mark Felt happy back then. Someone explain.

http://www.amazon.com/Watergate-Exposed-President-Burglars-Original/dp/193629611X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1300247691&sr=1-1

[David Andrews]

Really - why the intense antipathy for Nixon, when the endgame of the whole JFK-RFK thing was, de facto, to put Nixon in office? Unless the real goal was to maneuver the unelectable Nelson Rockefeller into the chair....

Edited March 16, 2011 by David Andrews

[Pat Speer]

Crimson Rose: The secret CIA project

Crimson Rose, an acronym, was a 400 page CIA document whose title was “Confidential Report on Intelligence of Military Secret Operations on Nixon” and whose subtitle was “Report of Operations of Secret Surveillance and Eavesdropping.”

My article, Crimson Rose and The Secret of the Two Keys, can be found on:

http://www.watergateexposed.com/

and also on

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17478

I am posting this information on the JFK Assassination Debate because my article also deals with Howard Hunt and his deathbed confession about the role of certain CIA agents in the assassination.

Excellent, Doug! I have just submitted a review for your book Watergate Exposed at Amazon. Folks, this is incredibly important stuff and I think it will make a big contribution to "revisionist" history on Watergate. Apparently, CIA, NSA and FBI key players wanted Nixon OUT of the White House. The big question is WHY? Maybe this book and fellow Education Forum members can provide the answers. I do know that his VP Gerald Ford was the FBI's man on the Warren Commission and in 1970 Newseek Magazine called Ford the CIA's man in Congress.

But what has always puzzled me is why CIA/NSA/FBI would try to take down Nixon in the middle of the 1972 campaign. If the Watergate scandal had blossomed in 1972, you could have George McGovern as president and I don't see how that would make CIA/NSA/FBI Mark Felt happy back then. Someone explain.

http://www.amazon.com/Watergate-Exposed-President-Burglars-Original/dp/193629611X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1300247691&sr=1-1

I'm fairly confident there was no mass conspiracy against Nixon PRIOR to the Watergate break-in and cover-up. One individual, Felt--who loved the FBI and felt it had been dirtied by Nixon's appointee Gray's involvement in the cover-up--tried to lead Woodstein in the right direction, but he didn't go as far as he could, perhaps because he was afraid of helping McGovern. AFTER the election, however, a few more individuals--Sirica and McCord--took it upon themselves to rattle the cages and make sure the cover-up fell apart. McCord, in his book, is quite clear on why he did this. He loved the CIA. He was disgusted by Nixon's trying to blame a petty political act on the CIA, to save his own neck, and was appalled by Nixon and Haldeman's harassment of Helms. Like Felt, he thought the intelligence establishment was BEYOND petty politics.

But McCord had another agenda as well. During his trial, it became clear to him that the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT prosecutors were a witting part of the cover-up. This horrified him. And he decided to expose the whole sordid mess...

Now, I know some consider it silly to believe McCord. But his words make total sense. If one considers that he was PROUD of his work for the CIA--keeping the world safe from communism and all that--and that he was not nearly as proud of his work for Nixon--helping a sleazy politician contain negative rumors, etc--well, it makes sense that he, having heard that Nixon was trying to use his (McCord's) CIA background to obscure his own involvement, would speak out.

I mean, I would. Wouldn't you?

The one thing that makes me crazy about Watergate conspiracy theories is that most all of them make Nixon out to be a victim of some hidden higher authority--the big bad CIA. This is exactly what Nixon wanted us to believe. To me, this is LUDICROUS. Look at Vietnam. The CIA was always less optimistic, and less deceptive, than the Pentagon. Johnson always went with the Pentagon. They told him what he wanted to hear. The same thing happened in Irag. When the CIA wouldn't tell Bush what he wanted to hear, Cheney created his own department of lies in the Pentagon.

I'll go a little further. Nixon, in his post-Watergate commentaries and explanations, admitted that he believed 1) that the President was above the law, and 2) that a cover-up enacted to curtail political damage was not a crime, because it lacked corrupt intent. In the process, he revealed himself to be a very dangerous man...so dangerous, in fact, that even IF the CIA DID set him up, from the get-go, well, then, they did us all a favor, and should be praised for it.