Steve Knight Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 You still don't get, or are totally ignoring, it! There's two men on the moon, both unloading the LRV. WHO takes a photo, when BOTH are needed for the job? The movie camera could be remotely operated from earth (with a small delay), and is basically a stills-camera+. Your guff about it not being as good as a stills-camera is totally wrong, and self-serving. One picture from a stills-camera can be interpreted MANY ways. 15 pictures plus a second of movie footage gives ongoing context to the next, and the next, and the next, and the next, and tells far more story than a single snap. A picture only tells a thousand words. A movie tells 100,000,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Yeah, we've seen this game before. The HBs love to play it - it's called "Heads I Win, Tails You Lose". In the past Jack has found suspicious pictures taken from the LRV's onboard camera, pictures taken by the astronauts which also show the onboard camera in frame, pictures taken when the camera was chest mounted, etc, but now because no picture was taken that is also suspicious. No Duane, no Jack - it's called confirmation bias. BTW Duane - you still haven't been able to explain how every image, every diagramme, every piece of documentation says that Jack is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Daman Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Yeah, we've seen this game before. The HBs love to play it - it's called "Heads I Win, Tails You Lose". In the past Jack has found suspicious pictures taken from the LRV's onboard camera, pictures taken by the astronauts which also show the onboard camera in frame, pictures taken when the camera was chest mounted, etc, but now because no picture was taken that is also suspicious. No Duane, no Jack - it's called confirmation bias. BTW Duane - you still haven't been able to explain how every image, every diagramme, every piece of documentation says that Jack is wrong. The diagrams you're referring to only show which quad the Rover was allegedly stowed on the LM .. Meanwhile, there are no "lunar" Hasslebald photos showing the Rover stowed in any quad, much less any photo showing it being unloaded or assembled on the "Moon". Jack might be wrong about the quad number, but he isn't wrong about there being no photos of the Rover being assembled.. Even if it did take two people to assemble the buggy, there's no reason a few photos couldn't have been snapped during the procedure. But like all things Apollo, there's something wrong with this picture too .. Apparently NASA was much more interested in numerous, meaningless pictures of bootprints than anything of real importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Jack might be wrong about the quad number, but he isn't wrong about there being no photos of the Rover being assembled. Ah - now we are getting somewhere. At least we can agree that Jack is wrong about where the LRV was stowed. Forget if one ever drove on the Moon, forget if astronauts actully went there... we can agree that Jack is wrong regarding where it was supposed to be stowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 but he isn't wrong about there being no photos of the Rover being assembled.. Even if it did take two people to assemble the buggy, there's no reason a few photos couldn't have been snapped during the procedure. But like all things Apollo, there's something wrong with this picture too .. Apparently NASA was much more interested in numerous, meaningless pictures of bootprints than anything of real importance. Ah Duane (and Jack...suprise) gets it WRONG again. There are THOUSANDS of still photos of the rover being unloaded and assembled on hte lunar surface. This is just Duane trying to say black is white and white is black. Always a pleasure seeing you with your foot in your mouth. Thanks for the grin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Daman Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Ah Duane (and Jack...suprise) gets it WRONG again. There are THOUSANDS of still photos of the rover being unloaded and assembled on hte lunar surface. Ah Craig gets it wrong again .. There's only one Apollo 15 video of the Rover allegedy being assembled on the Moon.. There are no Hassleblad still photos showing the Rover in any quad, or being unloaded or assembled on the supposed lunar surface. Apparently the Apollo astros were too busy taking meaningless pictures of their bootprints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Daman Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 "Truth needs no defence. Nobody - NOBODY - can ever take the footsteps I made on the surface of the Moon away from me." Gene Cernan, Apollo 17 Apparently Evan never watched 'Astronauts Gone Wild'.. Conspiracy researcher Bart Sibrel took the myth of those footsteps away from Cernan during one single interview in that documentary. The body language of liars is very interesting to observe .. That particular body language can also be observed during that pathetic Apollo 11 post flight press conference. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Sibrel's aggressive tactcs, he knew that the best way to expose the Apollo fraud was to expose the many contradictions and conflicting "moon trip " stories of the men who allegedy went to the Moon.. Along with their very revealing body language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Duane - you do agree that Jack is wrong about the location of the LRV stowage, do you not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Knight Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 "Truth needs no defence. Nobody - NOBODY - can ever take the footsteps I made on the surface of the Moon away from me." Gene Cernan, Apollo 17 Apparently Evan never watched 'Astronauts Gone Wild'.. Conspiracy researcher Bart Sibrel took the myth of those footsteps away from Cernan during one single interview in that documentary. The body language of liars is very interesting to observe .. That particular body language can also be observed during that pathetic Apollo 11 post flight press conference. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Sibrel's aggressive tactcs, he knew that the best way to expose the Apollo fraud was to expose the many contradictions and conflicting "moon trip " stories of the men who allegedy went to the Moon.. Along with their very revealing body language. Bart "TV News cameraman, with no relevant qualifications in anything remotely related to space exploration, photo analysis or psychology" Sibrel? :lol: Sorry, but that's just :lol: His guff has been proven time and again to be pathetically manipulated, edited and cropped to the point that it bears little to no resemblance to the original. The fact you're relying on HIM as evidence speaks realms about you and your claims...none of it good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Ah Duane (and Jack...suprise) gets it WRONG again. There are THOUSANDS of still photos of the rover being unloaded and assembled on hte lunar surface. Ah Craig gets it wrong again .. There's only one Apollo 15 video of the Rover allegedy being assembled on the Moon.. There are no Hassleblad still photos showing the Rover in any quad, or being unloaded or assembled on the supposed lunar surface. Apparently the Apollo astros were too busy taking meaningless pictures of their bootprints. Video equals THOUSANDS of STILL FRAMES. THOUSANDS. Try as he might Duane simply can't make black into white or white ito black. He just loses...again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Daman Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Video equals THOUSANDS of STILL FRAMES. THOUSANDS Yet that one Apollo 15 video still does not equal even one Hassleblad still photo, which is what Jack asked any of you Apollogists to produce. He just loses...again. Yes, you did... again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Daman Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Duane - you do agree that Jack is wrong about the location of the LRV stowage, do you not? Evan - you do agree that you're wrong about me being banned from some pro hoax forum called IRC, do you not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Daman Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 His guff has been proven time and again to be pathetically manipulated, edited and cropped to the point that it bears little to no resemblance to the original. The fact you're relying on HIM as evidence speaks realms about you and your claims...none of it good. Repeating more silly propaganda against Bart Sibrel won't help you with this one .. There were no crops or video manuipulations in Sibrel's interview with Gene Cernan .. It was one take, showing Gene squirming, sweating, stuttering and screaming at his dogs, as he attempted to correctly answer Sibrel's questions about his alleged trip to the Moon.. Answers that were complete contradictions to that of fellow Apollo astronaut Al Bean.. None of them ever get their "moon trip" stories straight.. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or even a psychologist to see when somebody is lying.. It just takes somebody with an open mind .. Somethig that you obviously don't possess. Before judging Bart Sibrel, why not watch 'Astronauts Gone Wild'?.. It's a real eye opener into the Apollo debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) Video equals THOUSANDS of STILL FRAMES. THOUSANDS Yet that one Apollo 15 video still does not equal even one Hassleblad still photo, which is what Jack asked any of you Apollogists to produce. Of course if there were some Hassleblad stills but no video you'd complain about that. Why is a succession of stills less convincing than a single one. How is lack of such a still evidence of a hoax. EDIT - Typo Edited April 23, 2011 by Len Colby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Video equals THOUSANDS of STILL FRAMES. THOUSANDS Yet that one Apollo 15 video still does not equal even one Hassleblad still photo, which is what Jack asked any of you Apollogists to produce. WHY? Is a still image not a still image regardless of the camera used? You continue to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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