Phony CIA officer

[Harry J.Dean]

From 1990 Ms/Book CROSSTRAILS

In late August, 1963, Guy "Gabby" Gabaldon and I kept an appointment with former U.S.

Congessman John H. Rousselot, then Western Director of the John Birch Society at his

San Marino, California office. Gabaldon picked up ten thousand dollars as pre-arranged

from Rousselot. The money was for the Mexico Operation. Some of these funds were given

to Oswald

...two other of our anti-Castro, anti-communist associates,Lawrence John "Larry" Howard

-aka Alonzo Escruido, and Loran Eugene "skip Hall" - aka Lorenzo Pacillo, were dispatched

by Guy Gabaldon...to enlist Oswald in CIA {Central Intelligence Agency}. In late

September, 1963, Oswald accompanied the pair to Gabaldon's Mexico City area office. Oswald

then received instructions and funds from the impressive, but "phony CIA officer" Gabaldon.

The fate of both Oswald and Kennedy were there, forever sealed! The trio later returned to

the U,S. Hall and Howard eventually to California, and Oswald to Texas where two weeks later,

October 15, 1963, he began working at the book depository building in Dallas.

The poor slob was awaiting further instructions from another fake CIA contact that, among

other details, requested him to deliver weapons, supposedly to be picked up at his work place

along with other weapons to be donated and used by by anti-Castro raiders.

The Florida anti-Castro raiders after splitting up, Howard and Hall, at Gabaldon's direction

picked up Oswald at New Orleans and continued on to Dallas, where they made several stops to

raise desperately needed funds. The three the crossed the border and drove to Mexico City.

A previously framed fall guy, Oswald, with recently arranged {by my associates} pro-communist

connections to Cuban and Russian embassies would be assumed guilty based on the shock treatment

affects of Kennedy's assassination

The former given names of Howard and Hall were used by them as "war names" they were,

Hall/Lorenzo = Leopoldo...Howard/Alonzo = Angelo.

[Brian Benson]

From 1990 Ms/Book CROSSTRAILSThe former given names of Howard and Hall were used by them as "war names" they were,

Hall/Lorenzo = Leopoldo...Howard/Alonzo = Angelo.

An August 12, 1974 letter from Nagell to Bernard "Bud" Fensterwald, Jr., states in part...

In September 1963, "Laredo" / Nagell met with Oswald in Jackson Square in New Orleans, where both were photographed. Photos of two of Oswald's associates whom I shall call "Leopoldo" and "Angel," were displayed to Oswald. Oswald was informed that neither Leopoldo nor Angel were agents of Cuban G-2 (as the Direccion General de Inteligencia was then called), a story they had strapped on Oswald the previous month. He was informed that the two were in fact counterrevolutionaries known to be connected to a violence-prone faction of a CIA-financed group operating in Mexico City [and elsewhere], that in 1962 both of them had participated in a bomb-throwing incident directed against an employee of the Cuban Embassy there, that both were well known to Cuban and Mexican authorities, and of course, to the CIA.....

So Harry, is your identification of Hall/Lorenzo = Leopoldo and Howard/Alonzo = Angelo consistant with Nagell's description or do you differ from what Nagell has to say ?

[Harry J.Dean]

From 1990 Ms/Book CROSSTRAILSThe former given names of Howard and Hall were used by them as "war names" they were,

Hall/Lorenzo = Leopoldo...Howard/Alonzo = Angelo.

An August 12, 1974 letter from Nagell to Bernard "Bud" Fensterwald, Jr., states in part...

In September 1963, "Laredo" / Nagell met with Oswald in Jackson Square in New Orleans, where both were photographed. Photos of two of Oswald's associates whom I shall call "Leopoldo" and "Angel," were displayed to Oswald. Oswald was informed that neither Leopoldo nor Angel were agents of Cuban G-2 (as the Direccion General de Inteligencia was then called), a story they had strapped on Oswald the previous month. He was informed that the two were in fact counterrevolutionaries known to be connected to a violence-prone faction of a CIA-financed group operating in Mexico City [and elsewhere], that in 1962 both of them had participated in a bomb-throwing incident directed against an employee of the Cuban Embassy there, that both were well known to Cuban and Mexican authorities, and of course, to the CIA.....

So Harry, is your identification of Hall/Lorenzo = Leopoldo and Howard/Alonzo = Angelo consistant with Nagell's description or do you differ from what Nagell has to say ?

I did not know Nagell, though we apparently were sometimes involved with

similar, various radical groups and individuals in the same time era

advising U.S.Intelligence. It is likely that I am failing to completely

understand the question?

[Harry J.Dean]

From 1990 Ms/Book CROSSTRAILSThe former given names of Howard and Hall were used by them as "war names" they were,

Hall/Lorenzo = Leopoldo...Howard/Alonzo = Angelo.

An August 12, 1974 letter from Nagell to Bernard "Bud" Fensterwald, Jr., states in part...

In September 1963, "Laredo" / Nagell met with Oswald in Jackson Square in New Orleans, where both were photographed. Photos of two of Oswald's associates whom I shall call "Leopoldo" and "Angel," were displayed to Oswald. Oswald was informed that neither Leopoldo nor Angel were agents of Cuban G-2 (as the Direccion General de Inteligencia was then called), a story they had strapped on Oswald the previous month. He was informed that the two were in fact counterrevolutionaries known to be connected to a violence-prone faction of a CIA-financed group operating in Mexico City [and elsewhere], that in 1962 both of them had participated in a bomb-throwing incident directed against an employee of the Cuban Embassy there, that both were well known to Cuban and Mexican authorities, and of course, to the CIA.....

So Harry, is your identification of Hall/Lorenzo = Leopoldo and Howard/Alonzo = Angelo consistant with Nagell's description or do you differ from what Nagell has to say ?

I did not know Nagell, though we apparently were sometimes involved with

similar, various radical groups and individuals in the same time era

advising U.S.Intelligence. It is likely that I am failing to completely

understand the question?

Brian, as I mentioned in private email to you yesterday

I just read Dick's book re; Nagell, Hall & Howard.

When Dick & I talked in 1975 {outlined in chapter 14}

he could not accept my identification of Lorenzo & Alonzo et al.

as being Leopoldo & Angelo - names that also in translation from

Spanish to English fell victim to interpretation.

[David Andrews]

What's good reading material on Guy Gabaldon's associations. other than his WWII record?

Edited March 29, 2011 by David Andrews

[Harry J.Dean]

Dave

Gabaldon wrote a book in late 90s or early 2000s

You could likely find info. via Google?

I would be interested to know what he says in it.

[David Andrews]

I'll look - but do you think he'd tell tales on himself? He made his connections as a Hollywoodized war hero, and that seems the card he played in later life.

Maybe time for a Spartacus page on Guy Gabaldon.

[Harry J.Dean]

I'll look - but do you think he'd tell tales on himself? He made his connections as a Hollywoodized war hero, and that seems the card he played in later life.

Maybe time for a Spartacus page on Guy Gabaldon.

David, it should be seen in the times, and our ages, that we were at war,

and our convictions/brainwash were then, in the 1960s anti-communists

anti-Castro patriots. Gabaldon and our activist associates really

believed the U.S. was being sold out by Kennedy to Soviet communism.

It is true that Gabby and I played his movie {hell to eternity} around

the country to raise funds in support of the anti-communist cause, which

was aimed to subvert Kennedy's administration as part of the attempt by

our radical leadership to seize control of U.S. Government,an ideal which

we mistakenly followed.

During those times Gabaldon and I were admiral friends, as were most of

our dedicated associates.

[David Andrews]

Harry, I'm really interested in what - or who - caused or permitted Gabaldon to impersonate a CIA officer to Oswald. So I'm interested in reading about his contacts. David Atlee Philips? Was he known by Richard Case Nagell in Nagell's investigation of Oswald?

I'm thinking Gabaldon was highly connected, secretive enough, and reliable of motve - which is why he got to survive to 80 and be something of a public figure. Others didn't make that.

Gabaldon strikes me as a less brutal David Morales, prompted by similar motives.

Edited March 30, 2011 by David Andrews

[Harry J.Dean]

Harry, I'm really interested in what - or who - caused or permitted Gabaldon to impersonate a CIA officer to Oswald. So I'm interested in reading about his contacts. David Atlee Philips? Was he known by Richard Case Nagell in Nagell's investigation of Oswald?

I'm thinking Gabaldon was highly connected, secretive enough, and reliable of motve - which is why he got to survive to 80 and be something of a public figure. Others didn't make that.

Gabaldon strikes me as a less brutal David Morales, prompted by similar motives.

From CROSSTRAILS 1990 Ms/Book

When the name of a Fair Play For Cuba Committee communist was broadcast throughout

the rightist circuit after the airing of an August, 1963 radio program from Station

WDSU, New Orleans, Louisiana, Lee Oswald was selected by another of our JBS associates,

retired U.S. Army General E.A. Walker of Dallas,Texas. The subject was then chosen by

Gabaldon as the 'fall guy' in the secretive plot against Kennedy. None of objected,

and found it humorous to frame a communist. I quietly considered as goofy as the weird,

but hazy,arrangements to kill the president.

I reported the scarce details as they developed, to my federal Intelligence contacts.

When Kennedy visited Mexico City in late June 1962, Gabaldon, {his statement}in league

with some rightist Mexican Federal Police Officials, was set to shoot Kennedy. Only a

last minute escape problems aborted that assassination scheme!

{it had been arranged for him to pose as protective agent to run beside Kennedy's car

during a motorcade}

Yes he had high connection in the US. far above Mexican, or mere American Intelligence

bureaucrat/agents. They were powerful, combined, subversive forces that brought down

Kennedy and assumed immediate, total control, of US. government, from November 1963,

whereby no conspirators would ever be convicted under their 'New Americanist' scheme.

[David Boylan]

Harry,

Do you know if Gabaldon had any connection to Walker? I figure he must have through Rouselette.

Dave

[Harry J.Dean]

Harry,

Do you know if Gabaldon had any connection to Walker? I figure he must have through Rouselette.

Dave

Dave

Yes, he had very close connections with Walker,and endless others, under the

patriotic/subverting and nationwide cause.

H.J.

[Brian Benson]

I did not know Nagell, though we apparently were sometimes involved with

similar, various radical groups and individuals in the same time era

advising U.S.Intelligence. It is likely that I am failing to completely

understand the question?

Thanks, Harry

To me, Nagell seemed to show mental illness in his private relationships, but seems to have pulled it together when he was on an intelligence mission. So it is difficult to judge the validity of Nagell's statements.

You have identified Hall/Lorenzo & Howard/Alonzo as = Leopoldo & Angelo.

Nagell said that Leopoldo & Angelo represented themselves as agents of Cuban G-2.

Question: did you ever remember Hall/Lorenzo & Howard/Alonzo to pretend to be G-2 agents ?

[David Andrews]

Harry, how did Oswald know Hall and Howard?

When you say that Gabaldon dispatched Hall and Howard to "enlist Oswald in CIA" in August-September 1963, would you say that was Oswald's first "enlistment?"

Edited April 1, 2011 by David Andrews

[Harry J.Dean]

I did not know Nagell, though we apparently were sometimes involved with

similar, various radical groups and individuals in the same time era

advising U.S.Intelligence. It is likely that I am failing to completely

understand the question?

Thanks, Harry

To me, Nagell seemed to show mental illness in his private relationships, but seems to have pulled it together when he was on an intelligence mission. So it is difficult to judge the validity of Nagell's statements.

You have identified Hall/Lorenzo & Howard/Alonzo as = Leopoldo & Angelo.

Nagell said that Leopoldo & Angelo represented themselves as agents of Cuban G-2.

Question: did you ever remember Hall/Lorenzo & Howard/Alonzo to pretend to be G-2 agents ?

No, but in those days in various urgent/important circumstances it could have been possible,

in order to infiltrate, or to avoid detection.